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ChaosTonyV4 09/25/19 11:09:17 AM #452:	Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... If you keep saying that, maybe youll believe it. Sorry. Stick to your Biden did nothing wrong with his bragging about pressuring the Ukraine government to fire a prosecutor trying to investigate his son with threats to withhold aid, while saying a President asking them to clear up what happened in that situation with zero pressure as being a crime. Hypocrite. uh where did Biden brag about protecting his son? I promise you I dislike Joe Biden more than you do, and I just watched the clip, and the entire context is he's literally talking about corruption in Kiev. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927921858] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>If you keep saying that, maybe youll believe it.</quote>Sorry. Stick to your Biden did nothing wrong with his bragging about pressuring the Ukraine government to fire a prosecutor trying to investigate his son with threats to withhold aid, while saying a President asking them to clear up what happened in that situation with zero pressure as being a crime. Hypocrite. </quote> uh where did Biden brag about protecting his son? I promise you I dislike Joe Biden more than you do, and I just watched the clip, and the entire context is he's literally talking about corruption in Kiev.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/25/19 11:10:33 AM #453:	Corrik7 posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... Well first of all its not even a transcript, the very 1st page says its a memorandum of the transcript and not verbatim. Literally says notes and recollections of officers on duty?? The fuck? Says Full and Unredacted. Fake News then? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-ukraine-unredacted-call-transcript-read-ukraine-president-released-by-white-house-today-2019-09-25-live-updates/ CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation. (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty "Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned to listen.and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect 'the accuracy of the recod, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation. The word "inaudible" is used to indicate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable to hear. On the first page of your link, dude. So yeah, the media sucks. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927921901] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Well first of all its not even a transcript, the very 1st page says its a memorandum of the transcript and not verbatim. Literally says notes and recollections of officers on duty?? The fuck?</quote>Says Full and Unredacted. Fake News then? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-ukraine-unredacted-call-transcript-read-ukraine-president-released-by-white-house-today-2019-09-25-live-updates/ </quote> CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation. (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty "Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned to listen.and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect 'the accuracy of the recod, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation. The word "inaudible" is used to indicate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable to hear. On the first page of your link, dude. So yeah, the media sucks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/25/19 11:11:01 AM #454:	Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... If you keep saying that, maybe youll believe it. Sorry. Stick to your Biden did nothing wrong with his bragging about pressuring the Ukraine government to fire a prosecutor trying to investigate his son with threats to withhold aid, while saying a President asking them to clear up what happened in that situation with zero pressure as being a crime. Hypocrite. Hey I said I hope this takes Biden down too! Not my fault you cant read the subtext to a quid pro quo. Please never get a job investigating organized crime. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927921924] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>If you keep saying that, maybe youll believe it.</quote>Sorry. Stick to your Biden did nothing wrong with his bragging about pressuring the Ukraine government to fire a prosecutor trying to investigate his son with threats to withhold aid, while saying a President asking them to clear up what happened in that situation with zero pressure as being a crime. Hypocrite. </quote> Hey I said I hope this takes Biden down too! Not my fault you cant read the subtext to a quid pro quo. Please never get a job investigating organized crime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/25/19 11:12:13 AM #455:	also yeah, I don't give a fuck if this takes Biden down either way. Biden has less appeal than even Hillary, I've always argued he's the worst choice Dems could make. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927921968] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>also yeah, I don't give a fuck if this takes Biden down either way. Biden has less appeal than even Hillary, I've always argued he's the worst choice Dems could make.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 09/25/19 11:13:53 AM #457:	It is true that the US abruptly withdrew aid shortly before this phone call, correct? I'm not misremembering? --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:927922038] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>It is true that the US abruptly withdrew aid shortly before this phone call, correct? I'm not misremembering?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/25/19 11:15:45 AM #458:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... also yeah, I don't give a fuck if this takes Biden down either way. Biden has less appeal than even Hillary, I've always argued he's the worst choice Dems could make. I would also take Hillary over Biden --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927922111] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>also yeah, I don't give a fuck if this takes Biden down either way. Biden has less appeal than even Hillary, I've always argued he's the worst choice Dems could make.</quote> I would also take Hillary over Biden</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 09/25/19 11:18:02 AM #459:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation. (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty "Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned to listen.and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect 'the accuracy of the recod, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation. The word "inaudible" is used to indicate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable to hear. On the first page of your link, dude. So yeah, the media sucks. So, your response is that a conspiracy regarding the transcribers happened to alter the content during a call they had no idea would ever be released in the future without even knowing how the conversation would go. Correct? That just leaves open the fact that if an error in transcribing it happened that it is understood this is not actually the call itself, but the person transcribing the call. Why it allows for inaudibles and failure to understand verbal accents and so on. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:927922208] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation. (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty "Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned to listen.and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect 'the accuracy of the recod, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation. The word "inaudible" is used to indicate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable to hear. On the first page of your link, dude. So yeah, the media sucks.</quote>So, your response is that a conspiracy regarding the transcribers happened to alter the content during a call they had no idea would ever be released in the future without even knowing how the conversation would go. Correct? That just leaves open the fact that if an error in transcribing it happened that it is understood this is not actually the call itself, but the person transcribing the call. Why it allows for inaudibles and failure to understand verbal accents and so on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShadowDoomBlaze 09/25/19 11:20:43 AM #460:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... also yeah, I don't give a fuck if this takes Biden down either way. Biden has less appeal than even Hillary, I've always argued he's the worst choice Dems could make. At this point its irrelevant. https://twitter.com/timrunshismouth/status/1176871966222868480?s=21 I would like to thank Pelosi in advance for a free election win in 2020. Party leadership botched this so badly that they didnt bother waiting for any evidence. I guess since waiting for an investigation worked out so well for them last time (lol) they thought theyd look less dumb for skipping steps this time. As for the actual reason they tried this stunt, since they know full well there is no whistleblower that heard anything (per CNN), they dont think they can beat him in an election. If they did, they dont try something this dumb a year out. Oh, and there is no recording unless the president was being illegally spied on, so dont expect one to magically come out. You guys have fun in your extremist echo chamber. The rest of us are laughing our asses off. --- Ulti at work. <cite>ShadowDoomBlaze posted [p:927922326] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>also yeah, I don't give a fuck if this takes Biden down either way. Biden has less appeal than even Hillary, I've always argued he's the worst choice Dems could make.</quote> At this point its irrelevant. https://twitter.com/timrunshismouth/status/1176871966222868480?s=21 I would like to thank Pelosi in advance for a free election win in 2020. Party leadership botched this so badly that they didnt bother waiting for any evidence. I guess since waiting for an investigation worked out so well for them last time (lol) they thought theyd look less dumb for skipping steps this time. As for the actual reason they tried this stunt, since they know full well there is no whistleblower that heard anything (per CNN), they dont think they can beat him in an election. If they did, they dont try something this dumb a year out. Oh, and there is no recording unless the president was being illegally spied on, so dont expect one to magically come out. You guys have fun in your extremist echo chamber. The rest of us are laughing our asses off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 09/25/19 11:21:34 AM #461:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... uh where did Biden brag about protecting his son? I promise you I dislike Joe Biden more than you do, and I just watched the clip, and the entire context is he's literally talking about corruption in Kiev. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=56&v=rtO1OigwfVs He brags about firing the prosecutor with a billion dollar aid as leverage. That prosecutor was investigating his son. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:927922365] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>uh where did Biden brag about protecting his son? I promise you I dislike Joe Biden more than you do, and I just watched the clip, and the entire context is he's literally talking about corruption in Kiev.</quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=56&v=rtO1OigwfVs He brags about firing the prosecutor with a billion dollar aid as leverage. That prosecutor was investigating his son. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 09/25/19 11:25:06 AM #462:	I don't like Biden at all as the nominee but it would be pretty dumb if he gets taken down over this. The corruption angle on Biden's side has been pretty thoroughly debunked. There was a pretty big conflict of interest with Hunter Biden working for an international company, but it was clearly unrelated to American policy in this instance. I won't miss Biden if he gets dropped, but so much for context. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:927922511] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>I don't like Biden at all as the nominee but it would be pretty dumb if he gets taken down over this. The corruption angle on Biden's side has been pretty thoroughly debunked. There was a pretty big conflict of interest with Hunter Biden working for an international company, but it was clearly unrelated to American policy in this instance. I won't miss Biden if he gets dropped, but so much for context. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 09/25/19 11:27:26 AM #463:	So just to be clear: Joe Biden gets a prosecutor fired in Ukraine: He used political leverage to protect his son! Donald Trump tries to get Ukraine to investigate Biden for him (getting foreign aid for his election campaign, regardless of any other factors): It was all above board and probably about oil! Corrik, why exactly do you only ever seem to lose any critical thinking abilities when it comes to negative shit your side does? I mean, even if Biden is a scumbag, that doesnt make Trump a saint. There isnt a finite amount of scumbaggery where if one guy is worse, the other guy gets better. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever https://imgur.com/SSw6M9E <cite>Espeon posted [p:927922606] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>So just to be clear: Joe Biden gets a prosecutor fired in Ukraine: He used political leverage to protect his son! Donald Trump tries to get Ukraine to investigate Biden for him (getting foreign aid for his election campaign, regardless of any other factors): It was all above board and probably about oil! Corrik, why exactly do you only ever seem to lose any critical thinking abilities when it comes to negative shit your side does? I mean, even if Biden is a scumbag, that doesnt make Trump a saint. There isnt a finite amount of scumbaggery where if one guy is worse, the other guy gets better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 09/25/19 11:28:26 AM #464:	For the record I do agree that the transcript is likely accurate. The only reason I'd really doubt that is if altering transcripts specifically is something that's described in the whistleblower complaint which started this mess. I do think the transcript as-is looks bad for Trump in the sense that it's consistent with the existing narrative. I think that just the fact that he mentioned Biden specifically at all is pretty telling. It's not damning smoking-gun evidence, but I don't think people should ever have expected that in the first place. If there's any evidence directly linking the withholding of US aid to the Biden thing, I think it likely lies either in internal communications (ie. something like the whistleblower complaint) or in transcripts of any discussions Giuliani had with Ukranian officials. --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:927922651] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>For the record I do agree that the transcript is likely accurate. The only reason I'd really doubt that is if altering transcripts specifically is something that's described in the whistleblower complaint which started this mess. I do think the transcript as-is looks bad for Trump in the sense that it's consistent with the existing narrative. I think that just the fact that he mentioned Biden specifically at all is pretty telling. It's not damning smoking-gun evidence, but I don't think people should ever have expected that in the first place. If there's any evidence directly linking the withholding of US aid to the Biden thing, I think it likely lies either in internal communications (ie. something like the whistleblower complaint) or in transcripts of any discussions Giuliani had with Ukranian officials.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 09/25/19 11:30:49 AM #465:	Biden being taken down as the nominee over this would actually make sense, even with the "scandal" being bullshit. like we just had Hillary wrecked over EMAILS and BENGHAZI, so voters might not wanna risk a "perceived scandalous" choice again, fearing the same both sides news coverage promoting perception over reality in their efforts to push "equal" coverage --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:927922755] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Biden being taken down as the nominee over this would actually make sense, even with the "scandal" being bullshit. like we just had Hillary wrecked over EMAILS and BENGHAZI, so voters might not wanna risk a "perceived scandalous" choice again, fearing the same both sides news coverage promoting perception over reality in their efforts to push "equal" coverage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/25/19 11:31:42 AM #466:	Corrik7 posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... uh where did Biden brag about protecting his son? I promise you I dislike Joe Biden more than you do, and I just watched the clip, and the entire context is he's literally talking about corruption in Kiev. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=56&v=rtO1OigwfVs He brags about firing the prosecutor with a billion dollar aid as leverage. That prosecutor was investigating his son. You're literally linking me to the clip in a post where I said I just watched the clip. Nowhere does he mention his son, the entire conversation is about corruption in Kiev. Donald Trump literally called Ukraine a corrupt country. And as was pointed out, if you think what Biden did was corrupt based on taking his intentions two steps further, how is Trump's not when he straight up says Biden's name? lmao --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927922786] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>uh where did Biden brag about protecting his son? I promise you I dislike Joe Biden more than you do, and I just watched the clip, and the entire context is he's literally talking about corruption in Kiev.</quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=56&v=rtO1OigwfVs He brags about firing the prosecutor with a billion dollar aid as leverage. That prosecutor was investigating his son. </quote> You're literally linking me to the clip in a post where I said I just watched the clip. Nowhere does he mention his son, the entire conversation is about corruption in Kiev. Donald Trump literally called Ukraine a corrupt country. And as was pointed out, if you think what Biden did was corrupt based on taking his intentions two steps further, how is Trump's not when he straight up says Biden's name? lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 09/25/19 11:33:05 AM #467:	Espeon posted... So just to be clear: Joe Biden gets a prosecutor fired in Ukraine: He used political leverage to protect his son! Donald Trump tries to get Ukraine to investigate Biden for him (getting foreign aid for his election campaign, regardless of any other factors): It was all above board and probably about oil! Corrik, why exactly do you only ever seem to lose any critical thinking abilities when it comes to negative shit your side does? I mean, even if Biden is a scumbag, that doesnt make Trump a saint. There isnt a finite amount of scumbaggery where if one guy is worse, the other guy gets better. Trump did nothing wrong in that transcript. Biden may have not done something wrong, but he did actually pressure a foreign government with the holding of aid. That is a matter of record. The person he withheld it over just happened to be investigating his son. It could be a coincidence. But, Trump has done nothing wrong in that transcript. If Trump had done something wrong, then Obama had done something wrong via Biden saying he had the President's authority to pressure the government over aid. That said, Presidents pressuring foreign government with aid is nothing new which is why it doesn't make Obama or Biden guilty of anything. The question with Biden is whether or not it actually was just a coincidence or not regarding his son. If it wasn't, then it becomes something more. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:927922833] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Espeon posted... </cite> <quote>So just to be clear: Joe Biden gets a prosecutor fired in Ukraine: He used political leverage to protect his son! Donald Trump tries to get Ukraine to investigate Biden for him (getting foreign aid for his election campaign, regardless of any other factors): It was all above board and probably about oil! Corrik, why exactly do you only ever seem to lose any critical thinking abilities when it comes to negative shit your side does? I mean, even if Biden is a scumbag, that doesnt make Trump a saint. There isnt a finite amount of scumbaggery where if one guy is worse, the other guy gets better.</quote> Trump did nothing wrong in that transcript. Biden may have not done something wrong, but he did actually pressure a foreign government with the holding of aid. That is a matter of record. The person he withheld it over just happened to be investigating his son. It could be a coincidence. But, Trump has done nothing wrong in that transcript. If Trump had done something wrong, then Obama had done something wrong via Biden saying he had the President's authority to pressure the government over aid. That said, Presidents pressuring foreign government with aid is nothing new which is why it doesn't make Obama or Biden guilty of anything. The question with Biden is whether or not it actually was just a coincidence or not regarding his son. If it wasn't, then it becomes something more. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/25/19 11:36:05 AM #468:	Pressuring foreign government with aid to investigate a political rival is sort of the important point you keep avoiding. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927922961] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Pressuring foreign government with aid to investigate a political rival is sort of the important point you keep avoiding.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 09/25/19 11:36:34 AM #469:	The point is there's nothing in that transcript/memorandum that's going to convince the Senate to move forward with impeachment. <cite>colliding posted [p:927922980] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>The point is there's nothing in that transcript/memorandum that's going to convince the Senate to move forward with impeachment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/25/19 11:37:50 AM #470:	Trump murdering someone in the middle of 5th avenue wouldn't convince the Senate to move forward with impeachment. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927923028] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Trump murdering someone in the middle of 5th avenue wouldn't convince the Senate to move forward with impeachment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 09/25/19 11:38:02 AM #471:	colliding posted... The point is there's nothing in that transcript/memorandum that's going to convince the Senate to move forward with impeachment. This isn't actually about removing Trump from office --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:927923038] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>colliding posted... </cite> <quote>The point is there's nothing in that transcript/memorandum that's going to convince the Senate to move forward with impeachment.</quote> This isn't actually about removing Trump from office </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 09/25/19 11:38:43 AM #472:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Pressuring foreign government with aid to investigate a political rival is sort of the important point you keep avoiding. He didn't pressure a foreign government is the part you are missing. Unless you read a different transcript than I did! He didn't even mention possibly considering something if they didn't do it. He didn't say they had to at any point. He just asked them to get to the bottom of it if they possibly could. Even leaves open the door for them to say it's not possible when saying "if possible". What you are trying to imply happened does not happen in that transcript. Until something does show that, then you are arguing over nothing. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:927923069] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Pressuring foreign government with aid to investigate a political rival is sort of the important point you keep avoiding.</quote>He didn't pressure a foreign government is the part you are missing. Unless you read a different transcript than I did! He didn't even mention possibly considering something if they didn't do it. He didn't say they had to at any point. He just asked them to get to the bottom of it if they possibly could. Even leaves open the door for them to say it's not possible when saying "if possible". What you are trying to imply happened does not happen in that transcript. Until something does show that, then you are arguing over nothing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 09/25/19 11:38:59 AM #473:	speaking of, wow Warren is really doing well in the polls these days and according to latest Quinnipiac she's finally getting serious support from black americans - now 19% - which is significant since that's a demo she's been slagging all the recent good news for Warren making me wanna check on the aggregator and woahhh yeah these datapoints are indeed materializing to a significant boosting period for Warren having started in the last week --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:927923083] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>speaking of, wow Warren is really doing well in the polls these days and according to latest Quinnipiac she's finally getting serious support from black americans - now 19% - which is significant since that's a demo she's been slagging all the recent good news for Warren making me wanna check on the aggregator and woahhh yeah these datapoints are indeed materializing to a significant boosting period for Warren having started in the last week</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/25/19 11:41:34 AM #474:	Corrik7 posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... Pressuring foreign government with aid to investigate a political rival is sort of the important point you keep avoiding. He didn't pressure a foreign government is the part you are missing. Unless you read a different transcript than I did! He didn't even mention possibly considering something if they didn't do it. He didn't say they had to at any point. He just asked them to get to the bottom of it if they possibly could. Even leaves open the door for them to say it's not possible when saying "if possible". What you are trying to imply happened does not happen in that transcript. Until something does show that, then you are arguing over nothing. My mistake, he just stopped their Congressionally allotted aid money before the call and then decided to give it to them right after the whistleblower complaint. Literally nothing can be inferred from this. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927923204] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Pressuring foreign government with aid to investigate a political rival is sort of the important point you keep avoiding.</quote>He didn't pressure a foreign government is the part you are missing. Unless you read a different transcript than I did! He didn't even mention possibly considering something if they didn't do it. He didn't say they had to at any point. He just asked them to get to the bottom of it if they possibly could. Even leaves open the door for them to say it's not possible when saying "if possible". What you are trying to imply happened does not happen in that transcript. Until something does show that, then you are arguing over nothing. </quote> My mistake, he just stopped their Congressionally allotted aid money before the call and then decided to give it to them right after the whistleblower complaint. Literally nothing can be inferred from this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 09/25/19 11:44:54 AM #475:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... My mistake, he just stopped their Congressionally allotted aid money before the call and then decided to give it to them right after the whistleblower complaint. Literally nothing can be inferred from this. So, you can't bridge the gap that Biden withheld aid until a prosecutor investigating his son was fired, but you can bridge the gap that the transcript there has to do with financial aid that was never discussed at all on the transcript. And, this is also from the person you think is such a bumbling buffoon. However, now he is a mastermind to not mention that in a call he thought would never ever be seen by anyone else. HAHAHAHA --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:927923338] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>My mistake, he just stopped their Congressionally allotted aid money before the call and then decided to give it to them right after the whistleblower complaint. Literally nothing can be inferred from this.</quote>So, you can't bridge the gap that Biden withheld aid until a prosecutor investigating his son was fired, but you can bridge the gap that the transcript there has to do with financial aid that was never discussed at all on the transcript. And, this is also from the person you think is such a bumbling buffoon. However, now he is a mastermind to not mention that in a call he thought would never ever be seen by anyone else. HAHAHAHA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/25/19 11:44:59 AM #476:	Jakyl25 posted... What if they launch the inquiry, find no transgression, and just leave it there? Surely the inquiry is at least warranted They won't leave it. In too deep. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927923344] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>What if they launch the inquiry, find no transgression, and just leave it there? Surely the inquiry is at least warranted</quote>They won't leave it. In too deep. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 09/25/19 11:45:58 AM #477:	yo this is the best reply tweet of the year first tweet: https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1176851879634055168 top tier reply: https://twitter.com/BreadHarkonnen/status/1176853057587548160 paging @LordoftheMorons --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:927923390] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>yo this is the best reply tweet of the year first tweet: https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1176851879634055168 top tier reply: https://twitter.com/BreadHarkonnen/status/1176853057587548160 paging @LordoftheMorons</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 09/25/19 11:46:50 AM #478:	What I dont understand about the "but Trump didn't SAY anything wrong!" argument is that apparently Trump is smart enough to play 4d chess to own libs but isn't smart enough to play politics to maintain plausible deniability. He lies and skirts truth constantly. I'd honestly have been pretty surprised if Trump mentioned witholding aid outright, both in these edited notes and the actual transcript. Why would he? Both parties knew that going in. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:927923440] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>What I dont understand about the "but Trump didn't SAY anything wrong!" argument is that apparently Trump is smart enough to play 4d chess to own libs but isn't smart enough to play politics to maintain plausible deniability. He lies and skirts truth constantly. I'd honestly have been pretty surprised if Trump mentioned witholding aid outright, both in these edited notes and the actual transcript. Why would he? Both parties knew that going in. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/25/19 11:47:39 AM #479:	Corrik7 posted... He asks them if they could find out what happened regarding a corruption issue. He doesn't pressure them. Doesn't tell them he will withhold aid, doesn't pressure them, or anything. He literally says hey can you find out what happened regarding this. I am sure a president has never in their terms ever asked a foreign leader what happened with something regarding possible corruption ever. Lmfao. It's totally nothing. Yeah this is accurate. If this is "impeachable" then you're essentially giving any presidential candidate a retroactive carte blanche, since a sitting president wouldn't be able to investigate their past. The Obama Admin literally did this to Candidate Trump in a way more aggressive manner. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927923480] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>He asks them if they could find out what happened regarding a corruption issue. He doesn't pressure them. Doesn't tell them he will withhold aid, doesn't pressure them, or anything. He literally says hey can you find out what happened regarding this. I am sure a president has never in their terms ever asked a foreign leader what happened with something regarding possible corruption ever. Lmfao. It's totally nothing.</quote>Yeah this is accurate. If this is "impeachable" then you're essentially giving any presidential candidate a retroactive carte blanche, since a sitting president wouldn't be able to investigate their past. The Obama Admin literally did this to Candidate Trump in a way more aggressive manner. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 09/25/19 11:47:52 AM #480:	Can't keep track of Tony's conspiracies at this point. That the transcribers knew to not transcribe the conversation in real time with made up filler in case a classified conversation every became public. Or that Trump is now a mastermind and not a buffoon as always described and knew to not allude to at any point the transgression he supposedly definitely was doing. lmfao --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:927923490] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Can't keep track of Tony's conspiracies at this point. That the transcribers knew to not transcribe the conversation in real time with made up filler in case a classified conversation every became public. Or that Trump is now a mastermind and not a buffoon as always described and knew to not allude to at any point the transgression he supposedly definitely was doing. lmfao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 09/25/19 11:56:01 AM #481:	Corrik7 posted... What you are trying to imply happened does not happen in that transcript. Until something does show that, then you are arguing over nothing. You'll be happy to hear that's why the current course of action is an investigation to determine what exactly did happen with this incident--after which informed decisions can be made, and not an immediate vote to remove Trump from office. --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:927923802] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>What you are trying to imply happened does not happen in that transcript. Until something does show that, then you are arguing over nothing.</quote> You'll be happy to hear that's why the current course of action is an investigation to determine what exactly did happen with this incident--after which informed decisions can be made, and not an immediate vote to remove Trump from office.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/25/19 11:57:45 AM #482:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Corrik7 posted... He asks them if they could find out what happened regarding a corruption issue. He doesn't pressure them. Doesn't tell them he will withhold aid, doesn't pressure them, or anything. He literally says hey can you find out what happened regarding this. I am sure a president has never in their terms ever asked a foreign leader what happened with something regarding possible corruption ever. Lmfao. It's totally nothing. Yeah this is accurate. If this is "impeachable" then you're essentially giving any presidential candidate a retroactive carte blanche, since a sitting president wouldn't be able to investigate their past. The Obama Admin literally did this to Candidate Trump in a way more aggressive manner. Youre forgetting the asking a foreign government part. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927923868] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>He asks them if they could find out what happened regarding a corruption issue. He doesn't pressure them. Doesn't tell them he will withhold aid, doesn't pressure them, or anything. He literally says hey can you find out what happened regarding this. I am sure a president has never in their terms ever asked a foreign leader what happened with something regarding possible corruption ever. Lmfao. It's totally nothing.</quote>Yeah this is accurate. If this is "impeachable" then you're essentially giving any presidential candidate a retroactive carte blanche, since a sitting president wouldn't be able to investigate their past. The Obama Admin literally did this to Candidate Trump in a way more aggressive manner. </quote> Youre forgetting the asking a foreign government part.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 09/25/19 11:58:49 AM #483:	pyresword posted... You'll be happy to hear that's why the current course of action is an investigation to determine what exactly did happen with this incident--after which informed decisions can be made, and not an immediate vote to remove Trump from office. Thanks. I was unaware of that. More making fun of CNN Headlines that say "Trump pushed Ukraine to investigate Biden" and people like Tony who see a crime out of this transcript. Republicans wouldn't have voted full fledged to release it if they didn't know nothing was coming from it already, to be honest. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:927923926] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>pyresword posted... </cite> <quote>You'll be happy to hear that's why the current course of action is an investigation to determine what exactly did happen with this incident--after which informed decisions can be made, and not an immediate vote to remove Trump from office.</quote>Thanks. I was unaware of that. More making fun of CNN Headlines that say "Trump pushed Ukraine to investigate Biden" and people like Tony who see a crime out of this transcript. Republicans wouldn't have voted full fledged to release it if they didn't know nothing was coming from it already, to be honest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/25/19 12:00:27 PM #484:	Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Corrik7 posted... He asks them if they could find out what happened regarding a corruption issue. He doesn't pressure them. Doesn't tell them he will withhold aid, doesn't pressure them, or anything. He literally says hey can you find out what happened regarding this. I am sure a president has never in their terms ever asked a foreign leader what happened with something regarding possible corruption ever. Lmfao. It's totally nothing. Yeah this is accurate. If this is "impeachable" then you're essentially giving any presidential candidate a retroactive carte blanche, since a sitting president wouldn't be able to investigate their past. The Obama Admin literally did this to Candidate Trump in a way more aggressive manner. Youre forgetting the asking a foreign government part. We work with foreign governments to investigate international crimes all the time. It's really the only way to do it. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927923976] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>He asks them if they could find out what happened regarding a corruption issue. He doesn't pressure them. Doesn't tell them he will withhold aid, doesn't pressure them, or anything. He literally says hey can you find out what happened regarding this. I am sure a president has never in their terms ever asked a foreign leader what happened with something regarding possible corruption ever. Lmfao. It's totally nothing.</quote>Yeah this is accurate. If this is "impeachable" then you're essentially giving any presidential candidate a retroactive carte blanche, since a sitting president wouldn't be able to investigate their past. The Obama Admin literally did this to Candidate Trump in a way more aggressive manner. </quote> Youre forgetting the asking a foreign government part.</quote> We work with foreign governments to investigate international crimes all the time. It's really the only way to do it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/25/19 12:00:47 PM #485:	Some ruffian comes up to Corrik Ruffian: Nice car you got there. It would be a real shame if anything happened to it. Corrik: Totally! Thanks for the compliment. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927923991] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Some ruffian comes up to Corrik Ruffian: Nice car you got there. It would be a real shame if anything happened to it. Corrik: Totally! Thanks for the compliment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/25/19 12:06:55 PM #486:	Corrik7 posted... Can't keep track of Tony's conspiracies at this point. That the transcribers knew to not transcribe the conversation in real time with made up filler in case a classified conversation every became public. Or that Trump is now a mastermind and not a buffoon as always described and knew to not allude to at any point the transgression he supposedly definitely was doing. lmfao I literally didn't say that, you just don't understand what's being said to you because...I don't know why. It's hard to know if it's willful ignorance or what. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927924264] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>Can't keep track of Tony's conspiracies at this point. That the transcribers knew to not transcribe the conversation in real time with made up filler in case a classified conversation every became public. Or that Trump is now a mastermind and not a buffoon as always described and knew to not allude to at any point the transgression he supposedly definitely was doing. lmfao </quote> I literally didn't say that, you just don't understand what's being said to you because...I don't know why. It's hard to know if it's willful ignorance or what.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/25/19 12:07:23 PM #487:	Democrats can't seem to accept that Donald Trump is president. That means he is in charge of law enforcement. He promised to crack down on corruption, and now he's doing it. The indignation from Democrats now that they are finally suffering some consequences for their crimes is incredible. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927924284] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Democrats can't seem to accept that Donald Trump is president. That means he is in charge of law enforcement. He promised to crack down on corruption, and now he's doing it. The indignation from Democrats now that they are finally suffering some consequences for their crimes is incredible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 09/25/19 12:09:44 PM #488:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... I literally didn't say that, you just don't understand what's being said to you because...I don't know why. It's hard to know if it's willful ignorance or what. Uh huh. Sure you didn't. Wink wink. Nod Nod. Man, you sound like Trump with denying your totally obvious implied content! lmfao --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:927924387] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>I literally didn't say that, you just don't understand what's being said to you because...I don't know why. It's hard to know if it's willful ignorance or what.</quote>Uh huh. Sure you didn't. Wink wink. Nod Nod. Man, you sound like Trump with denying your totally obvious implied content! lmfao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/25/19 12:10:18 PM #489:	In Trumpland, context is irrelevant: orange man good, libturds bad --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927924415] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>In Trumpland, context is irrelevant: orange man good, libturds bad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/25/19 12:10:40 PM #490:	LOL Rudy literally saying they meddled in Ukraine because it would be very, very beneficial to my client. He is THE WORST lawyer --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927924436] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>LOL Rudy literally saying they meddled in Ukraine because it would be very, very beneficial to my client. He is THE WORST lawyer</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 09/25/19 12:10:57 PM #491:	Jakyl25 posted... Some ruffian comes up to Corrik Ruffian: Nice car you got there. It would be a real shame if anything happened to it. Corrik: Totally! Thanks for the compliment. Ok i almost spit out my lunch, this was good jakyl --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:927924450] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Some ruffian comes up to Corrik Ruffian: Nice car you got there. It would be a real shame if anything happened to it. Corrik: Totally! Thanks for the compliment.</quote> Ok i almost spit out my lunch, this was good jakyl</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/25/19 12:10:59 PM #492:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... also yeah, I don't give a fuck if this takes Biden down either way. Biden has less appeal than even Hillary, I've always argued he's the worst choice Dems could make. ChaosTonyV4 posted... And as was pointed out, if you think what Biden did was corrupt based on taking his intentions two steps further, how is Trump's not when he straight up says Biden's name? lmao Here you go Corrik, connect the dots. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927924453] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>also yeah, I don't give a fuck if this takes Biden down either way. Biden has less appeal than even Hillary, I've always argued he's the worst choice Dems could make.</quote> ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>And as was pointed out, if you think what Biden did was corrupt based on taking his intentions two steps further, how is Trump's not when he straight up says Biden's name? lmao</quote> Here you go Corrik, connect the dots.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mega Mana 09/25/19 12:11:16 PM #493:	Jakyl25 posted... LOL Rudy literally saying they meddled in Ukraine because it would be very, very beneficial to my client. He is THE WORST lawyer Need link because holy ** --- "In my headcanon, some staffer saw Trump pull out his phone and start typing so they just Terry Tate Office Linebacker'd him out of his shoes." - FFD <cite>Mega Mana posted [p:927924465] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>LOL Rudy literally saying they meddled in Ukraine because it would be very, very beneficial to my client. He is THE WORST lawyer</quote> Need link because holy **</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 09/25/19 12:11:48 PM #494:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... It's hard to know if it's willful ignorance or what. We established approximately 238 topics ago that it is willful ignorance, yes. There i fixed it --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:927924484] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>It's hard to know if it's willful ignorance or what.</quote> We established approximately 238 topics ago that it is willful ignorance, yes. There i fixed it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/25/19 12:14:56 PM #495:	Let me be passive aggressive, PEaf --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927924630] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Let me be passive aggressive, PEaf</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 09/25/19 12:21:44 PM #496:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Here you go Corrik, connect the dots. Mentioning Biden isn't a crime. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:927924926] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Here you go Corrik, connect the dots.</quote> Mentioning Biden isn't a crime. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/25/19 12:22:57 PM #497:	Corrik7 posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... Here you go Corrik, connect the dots. Mentioning Biden isn't a crime. Saying you know Ive been really nice to you, so maybe you should do something nice for me could be if that something amounts to election interference --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927924975] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Here you go Corrik, connect the dots.</quote> Mentioning Biden isn't a crime. </quote> Saying you know Ive been really nice to you, so maybe you should do something nice for me could be if that something amounts to election interference</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/25/19 12:23:21 PM #498:	Corrik: This is a nothingburger! Meanwhile, in the real world: https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1176865152899125249?s=19 --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927924990] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Corrik: This is a nothingburger! Meanwhile, in the real world: https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1176865152899125249?s=19</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/25/19 1:03:39 PM #499:	Corrik, even if Trump was just making a friendly request of Ukraine to investigate Biden for something that he actually did (which is not the case); it would STILL be an impeachable offense because the president isnt supposed to fucking use the power of their office to solicit for its assistance in their reelection. Its not difficult to understand! As it happens, Trump had put a hold on aid to Ukraine before this call, so there was an implied threat which the Ukrainians understood, even if you were to laughable argue that that wasnt Trumps intent with the bold. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:927926794] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Corrik, even if Trump was just making a friendly request of Ukraine to investigate Biden for something that he actually did (which is not the case); it would STILL be an impeachable offense because the president isnt supposed to fucking use the power of their office to solicit for its assistance in their reelection. Its not difficult to understand! As it happens, Trump had put a hold on aid to Ukraine before this call, so there was an implied threat which the Ukrainians understood, even if you were to laughable argue that that wasnt Trumps intent with the bold.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 09/25/19 1:03:40 PM #500:	corriks premise that you have to be a mastermind to not explicitly say hello lets do a crime during a phone call is... something --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:927926797] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>corriks premise that you have to be a mastermind to not explicitly say hello lets do a crime during a phone call is... something </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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