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Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:36:48 PM #252:	TheRock1525 posted... Grimlyn posted... banananor posted... TheRock1525 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go This is a really dumb take. I mean, I get it Trump has already proven he's unfit for office many times over. We don't need to pretend he has a clean slate every time some new terrible thing happens. I do care about his corrupt practices, but I'm already well past the point of needing to be convinced. We're now at the "what are you gonna do about it"/"get out the vote" stage yep concurred There's a radical difference between "I don't care if this is the straw that finally broke the camel's back" and "I don't care what takes him down." If its the former, I get it and largely agree. If it's the latter, I mean, a literal bullet would take him down too. I'd hope we wouldn't be okay with that. Take him down politically. I dont want anyone to die. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927879917] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Grimlyn posted...</cite> <quote>banananor posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go</quote> This is a really dumb take.</quote> I mean, I get it Trump has already proven he's unfit for office many times over. We don't need to pretend he has a clean slate every time some new terrible thing happens. I do care about his corrupt practices, but I'm already well past the point of needing to be convinced. We're now at the "what are you gonna do about it"/"get out the vote" stage</quote> yep concurred</quote> There's a radical difference between "I don't care if this is the straw that finally broke the camel's back" and "I don't care what takes him down." If its the former, I get it and largely agree. If it's the latter, I mean, a literal bullet would take him down too. I'd hope we wouldn't be okay with that.</quote> Take him down politically. I dont want anyone to die.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 09/24/19 1:37:21 PM #253:	red sox 777 posted... Yeah I normally don't like to say "I told you so" but when Trump wins reelection and Republicans take the House, don't complain about the electorate. Blame yourselves for refusing to listen. Ok, how do we make sure trump loses in 2020? --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:927879938] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah I normally don't like to say "I told you so" but when Trump wins reelection and Republicans take the House, don't complain about the electorate. Blame yourselves for refusing to listen.</quote> Ok, how do we make sure trump loses in 2020?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:38:13 PM #254:	Jakyl25 posted... Take him down politically. I dont want anyone to die. But isn't Trump contributing to climate change that will cause our extinction in 11 years? --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927879975] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Take him down politically. I dont want anyone to die.</quote>But isn't Trump contributing to climate change that will cause our extinction in 11 years? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/24/19 1:39:26 PM #255:	banananor posted... red sox 777 posted... Yeah I normally don't like to say "I told you so" but when Trump wins reelection and Republicans take the House, don't complain about the electorate. Blame yourselves for refusing to listen. Ok, how do we make sure trump loses in 2020? Nominate Warren or Sanders. Talk about policy. Most importantly, ignore Trump, no matter how much he tries to provoke you. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927880026] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>banananor posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah I normally don't like to say "I told you so" but when Trump wins reelection and Republicans take the House, don't complain about the electorate. Blame yourselves for refusing to listen.</quote> Ok, how do we make sure trump loses in 2020?</quote> Nominate Warren or Sanders. Talk about policy. Most importantly, ignore Trump, no matter how much he tries to provoke you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 1:39:39 PM #256:	Nelson_Mandela posted... TheRock1525 posted... I'd have to find it again, but supposedly either Nunes or Gaetz gave Trump a heads up about this possible whistleblower, and it was supposedly what Bolton resigned over. Bolton resigned over the Taliban meeting on 9/11 This was the assumption but I'm not sure if Bolton ever confirmed it. Former national security adviser John Bolton wanted to release the money to Ukraine because he thought it would help the country while curtailing Russian aggression. But Trump has said he was primarily concerned with corruption. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927880039] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>I'd have to find it again, but supposedly either Nunes or Gaetz gave Trump a heads up about this possible whistleblower, and it was supposedly what Bolton resigned over.</quote>Bolton resigned over the Taliban meeting on 9/11 </quote> This was the assumption but I'm not sure if Bolton ever confirmed it. Former national security adviser John Bolton wanted to release the money to Ukraine because he thought it would help the country while curtailing Russian aggression. But Trump has said he was primarily concerned with corruption.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/24/19 1:40:09 PM #257:	https://twitter.com/howardfineman/status/1176539782861729792 Very solid #Dem House leadership source just confirmed to me that @SpeakerPelosi will announce a formal impeachment inquiry this afternoon and imply that she herself favors impeachment of @realDonaldTrump. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:927880062] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/howardfineman/status/1176539782861729792 <quote>Very solid #Dem House leadership source just confirmed to me that @SpeakerPelosi will announce a formal impeachment inquiry this afternoon and imply that she herself favors impeachment of @realDonaldTrump.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:40:40 PM #258:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Take him down politically. I dont want anyone to die. But isn't Trump contributing to climate change that will cause our extinction in 11 years? Not any more than Pence would as his replacement either way. Irrelevant --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927880081] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Take him down politically. I dont want anyone to die.</quote>But isn't Trump contributing to climate change that will cause our extinction in 11 years? </quote> Not any more than Pence would as his replacement either way. Irrelevant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:42:13 PM #259:	TheRock1525 posted... John Bolton wanted to release the money to Ukraine because he thought it would help the country while curtailing Russian aggression I like how this is presented as his unique idea, to use the money in the way that it was earmarked --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927880160] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>John Bolton wanted to release the money to Ukraine because he thought it would help the country while curtailing Russian aggression</quote> I like how this is presented as his unique idea, to use the money in the way that it was earmarked</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 1:42:56 PM #260:	Jakyl25 posted... TheRock1525 posted... Grimlyn posted... banananor posted... TheRock1525 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go This is a really dumb take. I mean, I get it Trump has already proven he's unfit for office many times over. We don't need to pretend he has a clean slate every time some new terrible thing happens. I do care about his corrupt practices, but I'm already well past the point of needing to be convinced. We're now at the "what are you gonna do about it"/"get out the vote" stage yep concurred There's a radical difference between "I don't care if this is the straw that finally broke the camel's back" and "I don't care what takes him down." If its the former, I get it and largely agree. If it's the latter, I mean, a literal bullet would take him down too. I'd hope we wouldn't be okay with that. Take him down politically. I dont want anyone to die. So if they took him down by making a fake accusation that he rapes Barron Trump daily, you'd be okay with that. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927880193] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Grimlyn posted...</cite> <quote>banananor posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go</quote> This is a really dumb take.</quote> I mean, I get it Trump has already proven he's unfit for office many times over. We don't need to pretend he has a clean slate every time some new terrible thing happens. I do care about his corrupt practices, but I'm already well past the point of needing to be convinced. We're now at the "what are you gonna do about it"/"get out the vote" stage</quote> yep concurred</quote> There's a radical difference between "I don't care if this is the straw that finally broke the camel's back" and "I don't care what takes him down." If its the former, I get it and largely agree. If it's the latter, I mean, a literal bullet would take him down too. I'd hope we wouldn't be okay with that.</quote> Take him down politically. I dont want anyone to die.</quote> So if they took him down by making a fake accusation that he rapes Barron Trump daily, you'd be okay with that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:43:45 PM #261:	Jakyl25 posted... Not any more than Pence would as his replacement either way. Irrelevant I just don't understand. If these people are Nazis who are literally causing our mass extinction, why wouldn't you want to take them out by any means necessary? --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927880224] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Not any more than Pence would as his replacement either way. Irrelevant</quote>I just don't understand. If these people are Nazis who are literally causing our mass extinction, why wouldn't you want to take them out by any means necessary? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:45:01 PM #262:	Why not? I mean its not the preferred method but it gets the job done and no one has to die. Its better than a REAL accusation that he rapes Barron. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927880269] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Why not? I mean its not the preferred method but it gets the job done and no one has to die. Its better than a REAL accusation that he rapes Barron.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 1:46:18 PM #263:	Jakyl25 posted... Why not? I mean its not the preferred method but it gets the job done and no one has to die. Its better than a REAL accusation that he rapes Barron. I'm talking that its believable enough to not only get him removed from office but placed in jail. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927880329] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Why not? I mean its not the preferred method but it gets the job done and no one has to die. Its better than a REAL accusation that he rapes Barron.</quote> I'm talking that its believable enough to not only get him removed from office but placed in jail.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:46:28 PM #264:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Not any more than Pence would as his replacement either way. Irrelevant I just don't understand. If these people are Nazis who are literally causing our mass extinction, why wouldn't you want to take them out by any means necessary? If I thought Trump was a Nazi I could see your point! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927880333] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Not any more than Pence would as his replacement either way. Irrelevant</quote>I just don't understand. If these people are Nazis who are literally causing our mass extinction, why wouldn't you want to take them out by any means necessary? </quote> If I thought Trump was a Nazi I could see your point!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:48:21 PM #265:	TheRock1525 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Why not? I mean its not the preferred method but it gets the job done and no one has to die. Its better than a REAL accusation that he rapes Barron. I'm talking that its believable enough to not only get him removed from office but placed in jail. Thats a very hard needle to thread, with the accusation being fake, with presumably the victim himself denying it, but the evidence being powerful enough to land a powerful person in prison. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927880406] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Why not? I mean its not the preferred method but it gets the job done and no one has to die. Its better than a REAL accusation that he rapes Barron.</quote> I'm talking that its believable enough to not only get him removed from office but placed in jail.</quote> Thats a very hard needle to thread, with the accusation being fake, with presumably the victim himself denying it, but the evidence being powerful enough to land a powerful person in prison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 1:50:54 PM #266:	Jakyl25 posted... TheRock1525 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Why not? I mean its not the preferred method but it gets the job done and no one has to die. Its better than a REAL accusation that he rapes Barron. I'm talking that its believable enough to not only get him removed from office but placed in jail. Thats a very hard needle to thread, with the accusation being fake, with presumably the victim himself denying it, but the evidence being powerful enough to land a powerful person in prison. In order to get Trump out of office and out of favor with Republicans who will literally defend everything he does, you'd need super compelling evidence to get that far. On the flipside, we also have a criminal justice system that has to overturn wrongful convictions all the time. And once again we're talking hypotheticals so answer the question: would you send an innocent man to jail? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927880517] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Why not? I mean its not the preferred method but it gets the job done and no one has to die. Its better than a REAL accusation that he rapes Barron.</quote> I'm talking that its believable enough to not only get him removed from office but placed in jail.</quote> Thats a very hard needle to thread, with the accusation being fake, with presumably the victim himself denying it, but the evidence being powerful enough to land a powerful person in prison.</quote> In order to get Trump out of office and out of favor with Republicans who will literally defend everything he does, you'd need super compelling evidence to get that far. On the flipside, we also have a criminal justice system that has to overturn wrongful convictions all the time. And once again we're talking hypotheticals so answer the question: would you send an innocent man to jail?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skullbone 09/24/19 1:53:02 PM #267:	TheRock1525 posted... And once again we're talking hypotheticals so answer the question: would you send an innocent man to jail? red sox was saying that Trump shouldn't be sent to prison if he murders someone because he prevented all of the people Hilary would have murdered if she was in office so maybe we don't need to argue dumb hypotheticals when there are stupider real positions people are taking. --- skull <cite>skullbone posted [p:927880626] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>And once again we're talking hypotheticals so answer the question: would you send an innocent man to jail? </quote> red sox was saying that Trump shouldn't be sent to prison if he murders someone because he prevented all of the people Hilary would have murdered if she was in office so maybe we don't need to argue dumb hypotheticals when there are stupider real positions people are taking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:54:36 PM #268:	TheRock1525 posted... And once again we're talking hypotheticals so answer the question: would you send an innocent man to jail? The idea of Trump as an innocent man is so hilarious I snorted, even though I get what you mean by it. Short answer, yes I would. The ends in this case justify the means. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927880699] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote> And once again we're talking hypotheticals so answer the question: would you send an innocent man to jail?</quote> The idea of Trump as an innocent man is so hilarious I snorted, even though I get what you mean by it. Short answer, yes I would. The ends in this case justify the means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/24/19 1:56:54 PM #269:	This discussion is a great example of Democrats' refusal to learn. They spend so much time, energy, and political capital trying to persuade the people who are least likely to be persuaded to help them - Republican members of Congress and even Republican members of the Electoral College. Think back to 2016 - the Democrats put out a huge campaign to try to get Republican electors not to vote for Trump. Of course this effort bore no fruit - because Republican electors are hardcore Republicans! If they had put in half as much effort to persuade working class voters to support them on election day, they would probably have won! --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927880808] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>This discussion is a great example of Democrats' refusal to learn. They spend so much time, energy, and political capital trying to persuade the people who are least likely to be persuaded to help them - Republican members of Congress and even Republican members of the Electoral College. Think back to 2016 - the Democrats put out a huge campaign to try to get Republican electors not to vote for Trump. Of course this effort bore no fruit - because Republican electors are hardcore Republicans! If they had put in half as much effort to persuade working class voters to support them on election day, they would probably have won!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 09/24/19 1:58:50 PM #270:	red sox 777 posted... banananor posted... red sox 777 posted... Yeah I normally don't like to say "I told you so" but when Trump wins reelection and Republicans take the House, don't complain about the electorate. Blame yourselves for refusing to listen. Ok, how do we make sure trump loses in 2020? Nominate Warren or Sanders. Talk about policy. Most importantly, ignore Trump, no matter how much he tries to provoke you. Yeah no, ignoring Trump is the absolute worst thing to do right now. Trump's entire strategy is based on maximizing his own power by continually pushing the boundaries of executive authority and seeing whether or not anyone pushes back. And if nobody he does, then he keeps going. Ignoring Trump is inherently surrendering to this strategy. I guess to clarify, I'm not arguing this from a Democrats vs Republicans standpoint, I'm arguing this from a Democracy vs Authoritarianism standpoint. Ie. I'm not saying this is or is not a politically sound move for Democrats. I'm saying that it's a necessary one to uphold our country's democratic institutions. If the public doesn't follow along, that's just a sign that American Democracy as we know it is already dead. --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:927880890] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>banananor posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah I normally don't like to say "I told you so" but when Trump wins reelection and Republicans take the House, don't complain about the electorate. Blame yourselves for refusing to listen.</quote> Ok, how do we make sure trump loses in 2020?</quote> Nominate Warren or Sanders. Talk about policy. Most importantly, ignore Trump, no matter how much he tries to provoke you.</quote> Yeah no, ignoring Trump is the absolute worst thing to do right now. Trump's entire strategy is based on maximizing his own power by continually pushing the boundaries of executive authority and seeing whether or not anyone pushes back. And if nobody he does, then he keeps going. Ignoring Trump is inherently surrendering to this strategy. I guess to clarify, I'm not arguing this from a Democrats vs Republicans standpoint, I'm arguing this from a Democracy vs Authoritarianism standpoint. Ie. I'm not saying this is or is not a politically sound move for Democrats. I'm saying that it's a necessary one to uphold our country's democratic institutions. If the public doesn't follow along, that's just a sign that American Democracy as we know it is already dead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:59:21 PM #271:	I mean, Im willing to vote for JOE BIDEN as President if it means politically defeating Trump Gigantic moral compromise is the game here. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927880917] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>I mean, Im willing to vote for JOE BIDEN as President if it means politically defeating Trump Gigantic moral compromise is the game here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/24/19 2:01:38 PM #272:	I have yet to hear who this mythical voter who was totally going to vote for the Dem nominee if only the House didn't impeach Trump for very good reason is --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:927881026] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>I have yet to hear who this mythical voter who was totally going to vote for the Dem nominee if only the House didn't impeach Trump for very good reason is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 2:02:09 PM #273:	Would you be okay if Trump was no longer President because he got trapped in a well and they couldnt get him out? But they continued to feed him and such. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927881045] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Would you be okay if Trump was no longer President because he got trapped in a well and they couldnt get him out? But they continued to feed him and such.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/24/19 2:02:16 PM #274:	You can fight increasing authoritarianism without responding to trolling. This is Trump's game, and it is working very well - he will push the envelope once and before the Democrats can properly respond to it, he will distract them with 10 new manufactured scandals that are really just trolling. The Democrats scream themselves hoarse over the trolling and have no credibility left when Trump pushes the envelope again. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927881048] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>You can fight increasing authoritarianism without responding to trolling. This is Trump's game, and it is working very well - he will push the envelope once and before the Democrats can properly respond to it, he will distract them with 10 new manufactured scandals that are really just trolling. The Democrats scream themselves hoarse over the trolling and have no credibility left when Trump pushes the envelope again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 09/24/19 2:02:34 PM #275:	It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:927881062] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 2:06:25 PM #276:	Jakyl25 posted... TheRock1525 posted... And once again we're talking hypotheticals so answer the question: would you send an innocent man to jail? The idea of Trump as an innocent man is so hilarious I snorted, even though I get what you mean by it. Short answer, yes I would. The ends in this case justify the means. He's innocent of raping his son. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927881232] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote> And once again we're talking hypotheticals so answer the question: would you send an innocent man to jail?</quote> The idea of Trump as an innocent man is so hilarious I snorted, even though I get what you mean by it. Short answer, yes I would. The ends in this case justify the means.</quote> He's innocent of raping his son.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 2:06:44 PM #277:	Suprak the Stud posted... It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them. I really dont understand this. Is it just like a respect for the concept of integrity thats more important than removing Trump? Im not willing to go to the lengths of hoping for death or murder or assault, or some catastrophic national collapse to remove him. Less than that? Ends justify means. Thats my line. Im willing to listen to arguments as to why thats a bad line. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927881248] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them.</quote> I really dont understand this. Is it just like a respect for the concept of integrity thats more important than removing Trump? Im not willing to go to the lengths of hoping for death or murder or assault, or some catastrophic national collapse to remove him. Less than that? Ends justify means. Thats my line. Im willing to listen to arguments as to why thats a bad line.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 2:07:37 PM #278:	Suprak the Stud posted... It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them. The problem is what happens when a Republican controlled House and Senate does it to an actual good president? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927881289] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them.</quote> The problem is what happens when a Republican controlled House and Senate does it to an actual good president?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 2:07:38 PM #279:	TheRock1525 posted... Jakyl25 posted... TheRock1525 posted... And once again we're talking hypotheticals so answer the question: would you send an innocent man to jail? The idea of Trump as an innocent man is so hilarious I snorted, even though I get what you mean by it. Short answer, yes I would. The ends in this case justify the means. He's innocent of raping his son. Yet probably guilty of crimes that would send you to prison far longer than raping your son would. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927881290] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote> And once again we're talking hypotheticals so answer the question: would you send an innocent man to jail?</quote> The idea of Trump as an innocent man is so hilarious I snorted, even though I get what you mean by it. Short answer, yes I would. The ends in this case justify the means.</quote> He's innocent of raping his son.</quote> Yet probably guilty of crimes that would send you to prison far longer than raping your son would.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 2:09:18 PM #280:	TheRock1525 posted... Suprak the Stud posted... It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them. The problem is what happens when a Republican controlled House and Senate does it to an actual good president? Theyll do it anyway! Its not like this is granting them permission to lay false accusations at Democrats! The literal party line in 2016 was Lock Her Up --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927881351] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them.</quote> The problem is what happens when a Republican controlled House and Senate does it to an actual good president?</quote> Theyll do it anyway! Its not like this is granting them permission to lay false accusations at Democrats! The literal party line in 2016 was Lock Her Up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/24/19 2:10:15 PM #281:	https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1176539948171878400 --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:927881395] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1176539948171878400</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/24/19 2:12:26 PM #282:	Suprak the Stud posted... It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them. You can't be serious? Trump has committed enough bullshit that would have taken down literally anyone else. Every week he says or does something so ridiculous, bordering on parody, that would have been THE THING that defined another politician's presidency. Jakyl is saying "look, at this point who cares WHAT it is, he just needs to go". It's not that complicated. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927881487] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them.</quote> You can't be serious? Trump has committed enough bullshit that would have taken down literally anyone else. Every week he says or does something so ridiculous, bordering on parody, that would have been THE THING that defined another politician's presidency. Jakyl is saying "look, at this point who cares WHAT it is, he just needs to go". It's not that complicated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 2:12:52 PM #283:	This is why I respect Jeb! for enthusiastically admitting that he would go back in time and kill baby Hitler --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927881505] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>This is why I respect Jeb! for enthusiastically admitting that he would go back in time and kill baby Hitler</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 09/24/19 2:15:17 PM #284:	Jakyl25 posted... Im not willing to go to the lengths of hoping for death or murder or assault, or some catastrophic national collapse to remove him. Less than that? Ends justify means. Thats my line. Im willing to listen to arguments as to why thats a bad line. You're basically advocating for state misinformation and propaganda to have MORE influence in elections than it already does. Removing Trump may be a fine goal but in the long term it will just help the authoritarian goal of destabilizing our democracy, which is already on shaky ground. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:927881605] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote> Im not willing to go to the lengths of hoping for death or murder or assault, or some catastrophic national collapse to remove him. Less than that? Ends justify means. Thats my line. Im willing to listen to arguments as to why thats a bad line.</quote> You're basically advocating for state misinformation and propaganda to have MORE influence in elections than it already does. Removing Trump may be a fine goal but in the long term it will just help the authoritarian goal of destabilizing our democracy, which is already on shaky ground. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 2:15:56 PM #285:	Jakyl25 posted... TheRock1525 posted... Jakyl25 posted... TheRock1525 posted... And once again we're talking hypotheticals so answer the question: would you send an innocent man to jail? The idea of Trump as an innocent man is so hilarious I snorted, even though I get what you mean by it. Short answer, yes I would. The ends in this case justify the means. He's innocent of raping his son. Yet probably guilty of crimes that would send you to prison far longer than raping your son would. Cool, then take him down for that. I agree that he should have been taken down long before. But once again "by any means necessary" is never justifiable because you can't pick and choose what means you're ok with at that point. If you're willing to throw your scruples away for the sake of removing a man you think is a danger to the country, then ANY mean should be at your disposal or you're just being disingenuous and you really don't believe he's that dangerous. I'd have more respect for this position if you did say "yup, kill the bastard." --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927881642] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote> And once again we're talking hypotheticals so answer the question: would you send an innocent man to jail?</quote> The idea of Trump as an innocent man is so hilarious I snorted, even though I get what you mean by it. Short answer, yes I would. The ends in this case justify the means.</quote> He's innocent of raping his son.</quote> Yet probably guilty of crimes that would send you to prison far longer than raping your son would.</quote> Cool, then take him down for that. I agree that he should have been taken down long before. But once again "by any means necessary" is never justifiable because you can't pick and choose what means you're ok with at that point. If you're willing to throw your scruples away for the sake of removing a man you think is a danger to the country, then ANY mean should be at your disposal or you're just being disingenuous and you really don't believe he's that dangerous. I'd have more respect for this position if you did say "yup, kill the bastard."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 09/24/19 2:16:17 PM #286:	Jakyl25 posted... Suprak the Stud posted... It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them. I really dont understand this. Is it just like a respect for the concept of integrity thats more important than removing Trump? Im not willing to go to the lengths of hoping for death or murder or assault, or some catastrophic national collapse to remove him. Less than that? Ends justify means. Thats my line. Im willing to listen to arguments as to why thats a bad line. Um... ... ... yes? Integrity and honesty and ethics matter. You need to make your case based on the facts as they are or nothing we do matters. "The other side does it" is just whataboutism and we need to hold ourselves to actual standards. Most cops that plant evidence probably think they're doing the right thing too. We can't falsify evidence and, if we are aware the evidence is falsified, we can't ignore that just to get to the ending we want. Perhaps if we can't make our argument with actual facts then we don't have an actual argument at all. (None of this is a criticism on what is going on with Ukraine, btw. I'm just going into your hypothetical if the charges here were exaggerated or prove to be untrue.) --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:927881658] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them.</quote> I really dont understand this. Is it just like a respect for the concept of integrity thats more important than removing Trump? Im not willing to go to the lengths of hoping for death or murder or assault, or some catastrophic national collapse to remove him. Less than that? Ends justify means. Thats my line. Im willing to listen to arguments as to why thats a bad line.</quote> Um... ... ... yes? Integrity and honesty and ethics matter. You need to make your case based on the facts as they are or nothing we do matters. "The other side does it" is just whataboutism and we need to hold ourselves to actual standards. Most cops that plant evidence probably think they're doing the right thing too. We can't falsify evidence and, if we are aware the evidence is falsified, we can't ignore that just to get to the ending we want. Perhaps if we can't make our argument with actual facts then we don't have an actual argument at all. (None of this is a criticism on what is going on with Ukraine, btw. I'm just going into your hypothetical if the charges here were exaggerated or prove to be untrue.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/24/19 2:16:19 PM #287:	Like Trump was THE GUY who took the ball and ran with the idea that Obama was born in Kenya, and he was rewarded with being elected President. There were over 30 hearings on Benghazi where Republicans said Hillary and Obama WANTED those people to die for...reasons. We're pretty well passed "If you make shit up, imagine what the GOP will do!" --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927881659] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Like Trump was THE GUY who took the ball and ran with the idea that Obama was born in Kenya, and he was rewarded with being elected President. There were over 30 hearings on Benghazi where Republicans said Hillary and Obama WANTED those people to die for...reasons. We're pretty well passed "If you make shit up, imagine what the GOP will do!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 09/24/19 2:16:29 PM #288:	Isn't this "It'd mess things up for later" argument the exact same argument you guys were all shunning Pelosi for having about impeachment --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:927881674] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Isn't this "It'd mess things up for later" argument the exact same argument you guys were all shunning Pelosi for having about impeachment</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 2:17:09 PM #289:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Suprak the Stud posted... It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them. You can't be serious? Trump has committed enough bullshit that would have taken down literally anyone else. Every week he says or does something so ridiculous, bordering on parody, that would have been THE THING that defined another politician's presidency. Jakyl is saying "look, at this point who cares WHAT it is, he just needs to go". It's not that complicated. Basically yes Im even admitting I would PREFER PRESIDENT PENCE at this point despite Trump being (relatively) closer to me politically. Hes just too dangerous and enabling of so much worse to be done. My depth chart of relative preferences holds true Most to Least Desirable: POTUS Pence w/ Dem Congress POTUS Trump w/ Dem Congress POTUS Trump w/ GOP Congress POTUS Pence w/ GOP Congress --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927881696] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them.</quote> You can't be serious? Trump has committed enough bullshit that would have taken down literally anyone else. Every week he says or does something so ridiculous, bordering on parody, that would have been THE THING that defined another politician's presidency. Jakyl is saying "look, at this point who cares WHAT it is, he just needs to go". It's not that complicated.</quote> Basically yes Im even admitting I would PREFER PRESIDENT PENCE at this point despite Trump being (relatively) closer to me politically. Hes just too dangerous and enabling of so much worse to be done. My depth chart of relative preferences holds true Most to Least Desirable: POTUS Pence w/ Dem Congress POTUS Trump w/ Dem Congress POTUS Trump w/ GOP Congress POTUS Pence w/ GOP Congress</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 09/24/19 2:17:55 PM #290:	Like I think Suprak makes a decent enough argument But all these "Then the Repubs will benefit!" arguments seem pretty hypocritical. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:927881726] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Like I think Suprak makes a decent enough argument But all these "Then the Repubs will benefit!" arguments seem pretty hypocritical.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 2:18:16 PM #291:	Jakyl25 posted... TheRock1525 posted... Suprak the Stud posted... It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them. The problem is what happens when a Republican controlled House and Senate does it to an actual good president? Theyll do it anyway! Its not like this is granting them permission to lay false accusations at Democrats! The literal party line in 2016 was Lock Her Up So the argument is that the thing we oppose Trump for wanting to do is something we should do ourselves. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927881746] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them.</quote> The problem is what happens when a Republican controlled House and Senate does it to an actual good president?</quote> Theyll do it anyway! Its not like this is granting them permission to lay false accusations at Democrats! The literal party line in 2016 was Lock Her Up</quote> So the argument is that the thing we oppose Trump for wanting to do is something we should do ourselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 09/24/19 2:19:51 PM #292:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Suprak the Stud posted... It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them. You can't be serious? Trump has committed enough bullshit that would have taken down literally anyone else. Every week he says or does something so ridiculous, bordering on parody, that would have been THE THING that defined another politician's presidency. Jakyl is saying "look, at this point who cares WHAT it is, he just needs to go". It's not that complicated. Then take him down for the stuff he's already done or legitimately did in regards to Ukraine (again, I'm not arguing the Ukraine stuff didn't happen just that Jakyl and your's approach of "who cares if it is real or not lol" is bananas insane). If you can't and instead rely on entirely fabricating a new story just because you can't get the outcome you want, you've forever abandoned your principals and we have no reason to trust what you say ever again. This is so far down "the ends justify the means" I can't even believe we're having this debate. Rock's position is essentially "don't falsify evidence" and...there is pushback to that? --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:927881821] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them.</quote> You can't be serious? Trump has committed enough bullshit that would have taken down literally anyone else. Every week he says or does something so ridiculous, bordering on parody, that would have been THE THING that defined another politician's presidency. Jakyl is saying "look, at this point who cares WHAT it is, he just needs to go". It's not that complicated.</quote> Then take him down for the stuff he's already done or legitimately did in regards to Ukraine (again, I'm not arguing the Ukraine stuff didn't happen just that Jakyl and your's approach of "who cares if it is real or not lol" is bananas insane). If you can't and instead rely on entirely fabricating a new story just because you can't get the outcome you want, you've forever abandoned your principals and we have no reason to trust what you say ever again. This is so far down "the ends justify the means" I can't even believe we're having this debate. Rock's position is essentially "don't falsify evidence" and...there is pushback to that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 2:21:04 PM #293:	HashtagSEP posted... Isn't this "It'd mess things up for later" argument the exact same argument you guys were all shunning Pelosi for having about impeachment We criticize Pelosi for shunning impeachment because there was already ample evidence to impeach him and she refused to act on it. Like I said "straw that broke the camel's back" is a good enough argument for me. I'm saying if we impeach on what ends up being completely false information, either revealed during or afterwards, and people wanna shrug their shoulders and go "oh well, had to be done" then there will be major repercussions for the long term health of democracy in this country. How well do you think the country is gonna receive that idea? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927881876] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>Isn't this "It'd mess things up for later" argument the exact same argument you guys were all shunning Pelosi for having about impeachment</quote> We criticize Pelosi for shunning impeachment because there was already ample evidence to impeach him and she refused to act on it. Like I said "straw that broke the camel's back" is a good enough argument for me. I'm saying if we impeach on what ends up being completely false information, either revealed during or afterwards, and people wanna shrug their shoulders and go "oh well, had to be done" then there will be major repercussions for the long term health of democracy in this country. How well do you think the country is gonna receive that idea?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 09/24/19 2:21:39 PM #294:	HashtagSEP posted... Like I think Suprak makes a decent enough argument But all these "Then the Repubs will benefit!" arguments seem pretty hypocritical. My argument isn't "the repubs will benefit" it is that we should have intrinsic ethics and morals and inventing crimes goes against both of those things. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:927881908] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>Like I think Suprak makes a decent enough argument But all these "Then the Repubs will benefit!" arguments seem pretty hypocritical.</quote> My argument isn't "the repubs will benefit" it is that we should have intrinsic ethics and morals and inventing crimes goes against both of those things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 2:23:51 PM #295:	TheRock1525 posted... Jakyl25 posted... TheRock1525 posted... Suprak the Stud posted... It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them. The problem is what happens when a Republican controlled House and Senate does it to an actual good president? Theyll do it anyway! Its not like this is granting them permission to lay false accusations at Democrats! The literal party line in 2016 was Lock Her Up So the argument is that the thing we oppose Trump for wanting to do is something we should do ourselves. I never said I opposed Trump for wanting that. I just said trying to lock people up for false crimes IS ALREADY THE GAME GOP are playing --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927881999] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter if the accusation is true or not as long as it hurts Trump or Biden has to be one of the craziest things Ive read in this topic series. And rock even gave you like five different outs and you just wouldnt take them.</quote> The problem is what happens when a Republican controlled House and Senate does it to an actual good president?</quote> Theyll do it anyway! Its not like this is granting them permission to lay false accusations at Democrats! The literal party line in 2016 was Lock Her Up</quote> So the argument is that the thing we oppose Trump for wanting to do is something we should do ourselves.</quote> I never said I opposed Trump for wanting that. I just said trying to lock people up for false crimes IS ALREADY THE GAME GOP are playing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 09/24/19 2:24:56 PM #296:	Suprak the Stud posted... HashtagSEP posted... Like I think Suprak makes a decent enough argument But all these "Then the Repubs will benefit!" arguments seem pretty hypocritical. My argument isn't "the repubs will benefit" it is that we should have intrinsic ethics and morals and inventing crimes goes against both of those things. Well, right, which is why I said you made a good argument. There were a few basic "They'll just do it, too, if we do" arguments that completely lacked substance beforehand. Anyhoo, though... Yeah, I'm not really sure why "We should just falsify evidence to get what we want" is an actual argument --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:927882061] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>Like I think Suprak makes a decent enough argument But all these "Then the Repubs will benefit!" arguments seem pretty hypocritical.</quote> My argument isn't "the repubs will benefit" it is that we should have intrinsic ethics and morals and inventing crimes goes against both of those things.</quote> Well, right, which is why I said you made a good argument. There were a few basic "They'll just do it, too, if we do" arguments that completely lacked substance beforehand. Anyhoo, though... Yeah, I'm not really sure why "We should just falsify evidence to get what we want" is an actual argument</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 2:26:33 PM #297:	Jakyl25 posted... I never said I opposed Trump for wanting that. I just said trying to lock people up for false crimes IS ALREADY THE GAME GOP are playing Except it stops being a game when they have literal proof that Dems used false info to try and remove the President. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927882133] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>I never said I opposed Trump for wanting that. I just said trying to lock people up for false crimes IS ALREADY THE GAME GOP are playing </quote> Except it stops being a game when they have literal proof that Dems used false info to try and remove the President.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 2:26:52 PM #298:	TheRock1525 posted... I'd have more respect for this position if you did say "yup, kill the bastard." Well, lets be honest, theres a legal reason Im not doing that. I would not be in mourning though. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927882148] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote> I'd have more respect for this position if you did say "yup, kill the bastard."</quote> Well, lets be honest, theres a legal reason Im not doing that. I would not be in mourning though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 09/24/19 2:28:06 PM #299:	Rock thinks the GOP has any morals. Cute. --- Sir Chris <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:927882201] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Rock thinks the GOP has any morals. Cute.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 2:29:10 PM #300:	HashtagSEP posted... Anyhoo, though... Yeah, I'm not really sure why "We should just falsify evidence to get what we want" is an actual argument It depends entirely on what we want Like say the tax evasion evidence on Al Capone was fabricated. A real shame that would be. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927882261] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>Anyhoo, though... Yeah, I'm not really sure why "We should just falsify evidence to get what we want" is an actual argument</quote> It depends entirely on what we want Like say the tax evasion evidence on Al Capone was fabricated. A real shame that would be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 2:29:12 PM #301:	HashtagSEP posted... There were a few basic "They'll just do it, too, if we do" arguments that completely lacked substance beforehand. The issue is that the Republicans do it without any hard evidence. It fires up the base and maybe adds a few moderate/right leaning Independents, but the appeal is limited. What happens when the Republicans have actual evidence? Do you think it doesn't become a cudgel for them for years? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927882263] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>There were a few basic "They'll just do it, too, if we do" arguments that completely lacked substance beforehand. </quote> The issue is that the Republicans do it without any hard evidence. It fires up the base and maybe adds a few moderate/right leaning Independents, but the appeal is limited. What happens when the Republicans have actual evidence? Do you think it doesn't become a cudgel for them for years?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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