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Kenri 09/24/19 3:15:37 PM #352:	HashtagSEP posted... Well, I'd argue the distinction is that we don't actually know if "Get him on what he has done" would work or not because they haven't even tried to do it in the first place Being in this scenario at all is already evidence that the system has failed. Otherwise, why wouldn't they try to get this obviously guilty man? (Hint: it's because they don't think the system will work) --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:927884321] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted... </cite> <quote>Well, I'd argue the distinction is that we don't actually know if "Get him on what he has done" would work or not because they haven't even tried to do it in the first place</quote>Being in this scenario at all is already evidence that the system has failed. Otherwise, why wouldn't they try to get this obviously guilty man? (Hint: it's because they don't think the system will work) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/24/19 3:15:55 PM #353:	Nelson_Mandela posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... Imagine thinking Kenri is a liberal I meant this for everybody here. Liberals talk all this shit yet they can't even imagine murdering someone. Such ninnies. lmao like we always joke about how you can only climax with fantasies about murdering the poor, but to actually come out and say this is something else. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927884331] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine thinking Kenri is a liberal</quote>I meant this for everybody here. Liberals talk all this shit yet they can't even imagine murdering someone. Such ninnies. </quote> lmao like we always joke about how you can only climax with fantasies about murdering the poor, but to actually come out and say this is something else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 3:16:19 PM #354:	Kenri posted... HashtagSEP posted... Well, I'd argue the distinction is that we don't actually know if "Get him on what he has done" would work or not because they haven't even tried to do it in the first place Being in this scenario at all is already evidence that the system has failed. Otherwise, why wouldn't they try to get this obviously guilty man? (Hint: it's because they don't think the system will work) Yes yes more of this --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927884354] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted... </cite> <quote>Well, I'd argue the distinction is that we don't actually know if "Get him on what he has done" would work or not because they haven't even tried to do it in the first place</quote>Being in this scenario at all is already evidence that the system has failed. Otherwise, why wouldn't they try to get this obviously guilty man? (Hint: it's because they don't think the system will work) </quote> Yes yes more of this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/24/19 3:17:16 PM #355:	Also we're all on a video game message board, and every single person here is a liar if they said they hadn't fantasized about living their own isekai and fighting an IRL RPG, where obviously you would murder people, so...yeah --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927884387] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Also we're all on a video game message board, and every single person here is a liar if they said they hadn't fantasized about living their own isekai and fighting an IRL RPG, where obviously you would murder people, so...yeah</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 09/24/19 3:18:09 PM #356:	Jakyl25 posted... Kenri posted... HashtagSEP posted... Well, I'd argue the distinction is that we don't actually know if "Get him on what he has done" would work or not because they haven't even tried to do it in the first place Being in this scenario at all is already evidence that the system has failed. Otherwise, why wouldn't they try to get this obviously guilty man? (Hint: it's because they don't think the system will work) Yes yes more of this To be fair, I don't think I'd actually give them that much credit. I'd argue it's not because they don't think the system will work, necessarily, as much as they're worried about what would happen to their own positions if it does work. Which isn't better, to be clear --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:927884433] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted... </cite> <quote>Well, I'd argue the distinction is that we don't actually know if "Get him on what he has done" would work or not because they haven't even tried to do it in the first place</quote>Being in this scenario at all is already evidence that the system has failed. Otherwise, why wouldn't they try to get this obviously guilty man? (Hint: it's because they don't think the system will work) </quote> Yes yes more of this</quote> To be fair, I don't think I'd actually give them that much credit. I'd argue it's not because they don't think the system will work, necessarily, as much as they're worried about what would happen to their own positions if it does work. Which isn't better, to be clear</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 09/24/19 3:18:26 PM #357:	Jakyl25 posted... HashtagSEP posted... So just to be clear, I assume you guys that are in the "The ends justify the means" camp are okay with cops falsifying/planting evidence? To get drug arrests, or for theft? Heck no. To get someone that they KNOW is a murderer or domestic abuser? Sure But how do you KNOW??? And who decides that??? usually you dont know, and no one should decide that. I dont trust the system. Not a single part of it. Its a case by case basis. I can simultaneously hold the opinions that we shouldnt have the death penalty, but a very few hopeless criminals should be put down. Even the worst among us have basic civil liberties that shall not be infringed upon. One of the most basic of these is the right to a fair trail. That means no agencies employed by the government shall bear false witness or utilize fraudulent evidence. If a cop cannot prove his case with the evidence he or she has, then they have no case. This is the liberal position btw so I am very surprised to see so many come out against it in this topic... --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:927884445] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>So just to be clear, I assume you guys that are in the "The ends justify the means" camp are okay with cops falsifying/planting evidence?</quote> To get drug arrests, or for theft? Heck no. To get someone that they KNOW is a murderer or domestic abuser? Sure But how do you KNOW??? And who decides that??? usually you dont know, and no one should decide that. I dont trust the system. Not a single part of it. Its a case by case basis. I can simultaneously hold the opinions that we shouldnt have the death penalty, but a very few hopeless criminals should be put down.</quote> Even the worst among us have basic civil liberties that shall not be infringed upon. One of the most basic of these is the right to a fair trail. That means no agencies employed by the government shall bear false witness or utilize fraudulent evidence. If a cop cannot prove his case with the evidence he or she has, then they have no case. This is the liberal position btw so I am very surprised to see so many come out against it in this topic...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 09/24/19 3:21:05 PM #358:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Also we're all on a video game message board, and every single person here is a liar if they said they hadn't fantasized about living their own isekai and fighting an IRL RPG, where obviously you would murder people, so...yeah But we VERY democratically chose Undertale as the best game ever! --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:927884550] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Also we're all on a video game message board, and every single person here is a liar if they said they hadn't fantasized about living their own isekai and fighting an IRL RPG, where obviously you would murder people, so...yeah</quote> But we VERY democratically chose Undertale as the best game ever! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 09/24/19 3:24:31 PM #359:	Jakyl25 posted... Suprak the Stud posted... Intentionally falsifying or going forward with falsified evidence would irrevocably damage the soul of the democratic party. Oh no, not the Democratic Party!! Who'd you vote for in 2016 again? What state do you live in? Forgive me for not wanting to sacrifice the integrity of our institutions to cover up for your failure to stop this. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:927884706] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>Intentionally falsifying or going forward with falsified evidence would irrevocably damage the soul of the democratic party. </quote> Oh no, not the Democratic Party!!</quote> Who'd you vote for in 2016 again? What state do you live in? Forgive me for not wanting to sacrifice the integrity of our institutions to cover up for your failure to stop this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 3:26:38 PM #360:	Suprak the Stud posted... Even the worst among us have basic civil liberties that shall not be infringed upon. One of the most basic of these is the right to a fair trail. That means no agencies employed by the government shall bear false witness or utilize fraudulent evidence. If a cop cannot prove his case with the evidence he or she has, then they have no case. This is the liberal position btw so I am very surprised to see so many come out against it in this topic... This is only a hugely important right because we view convictions as something that leads to purely punitive measures. If we had a philosophy centered more around rehabilitation and community service, it wouldnt be so critical --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927884802] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote> Even the worst among us have basic civil liberties that shall not be infringed upon. One of the most basic of these is the right to a fair trail. That means no agencies employed by the government shall bear false witness or utilize fraudulent evidence. If a cop cannot prove his case with the evidence he or she has, then they have no case. This is the liberal position btw so I am very surprised to see so many come out against it in this topic...</quote> This is only a hugely important right because we view convictions as something that leads to purely punitive measures. If we had a philosophy centered more around rehabilitation and community service, it wouldnt be so critical</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 3:28:14 PM #361:	Suprak the Stud posted... Jakyl25 posted... Suprak the Stud posted... Intentionally falsifying or going forward with falsified evidence would irrevocably damage the soul of the democratic party. Oh no, not the Democratic Party!! Who'd you vote for in 2016 again? What state do you live in? Forgive me for not wanting to sacrifice the integrity of our institutions to cover up for your failure to stop this. Its my fault I voted for Stein in Michigan. Mea culpa I just dont think the Democratic Party HAS any institutional integrity to sacrifice --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927884876] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>Intentionally falsifying or going forward with falsified evidence would irrevocably damage the soul of the democratic party. </quote> Oh no, not the Democratic Party!!</quote> Who'd you vote for in 2016 again? What state do you live in? Forgive me for not wanting to sacrifice the integrity of our institutions to cover up for your failure to stop this.</quote> Its my fault I voted for Stein in Michigan. Mea culpa I just dont think the Democratic Party HAS any institutional integrity to sacrifice</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 09/24/19 3:31:44 PM #362:	HashtagSEP posted... I liked when this topic was bashing Tulsi Can we go back to that I tried to bring it back but it didn't last :( --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:927885028] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>I liked when this topic was bashing Tulsi Can we go back to that</quote> I tried to bring it back but it didn't last :(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 09/24/19 3:31:50 PM #363:	It would be just as critical. What are you talking about? The government cannot just make up evidence to get the convictions they want regardless of what the crime is or what the punishment for that crime is. We have a right to a fair trail, be that a death penalty case or a case for jaywalking. The government cannot just get the verdicts they want by having their agents use whatever means necessary to get them. This is...I legitimately cannot believe these are points I need to defend. (Although I do agree with your overall point that it should be more focused on rehabilitation than punitive measures, especially for non violent offenders.) --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:927885032] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>It would be just as critical. What are you talking about? The government cannot just make up evidence to get the convictions they want regardless of what the crime is or what the punishment for that crime is. We have a right to a fair trail, be that a death penalty case or a case for jaywalking. The government cannot just get the verdicts they want by having their agents use whatever means necessary to get them. This is...I legitimately cannot believe these are points I need to defend. (Although I do agree with your overall point that it should be more focused on rehabilitation than punitive measures, especially for non violent offenders.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 09/24/19 3:33:32 PM #364:	GuessMyUserName posted... HashtagSEP posted... I liked when this topic was bashing Tulsi Can we go back to that I tried to bring it back but it didn't last :( I'll be good and stop debating this I promise. FOR NOW. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:927885105] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>I liked when this topic was bashing Tulsi Can we go back to that</quote> I tried to bring it back but it didn't last :(</quote> I'll be good and stop debating this I promise. FOR NOW.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 09/24/19 3:34:43 PM #365:	Suprak the Stud posted... GuessMyUserName posted... HashtagSEP posted... I liked when this topic was bashing Tulsi Can we go back to that I tried to bring it back but it didn't last :( I'll be good and stop debating this I promise. FOR NOW. If only Tulsi would stop debating Hey-oh! --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:927885151] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>I liked when this topic was bashing Tulsi Can we go back to that</quote> I tried to bring it back but it didn't last :(</quote> I'll be good and stop debating this I promise. FOR NOW.</quote> If only Tulsi would stop debating Hey-oh!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 3:36:02 PM #366:	If Bolton is the whisteblower I might have to start changing my tune. I really do trust that man to do what is best for the country. If he turned, then it must be for legit reasons to maintain American global hegemony. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927885223] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>If Bolton is the whisteblower I might have to start changing my tune. I really do trust that man to do what is best for the country. If he turned, then it must be for legit reasons to maintain American global hegemony. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 09/24/19 3:36:06 PM #367:	I might be misunderstanding, but are you guys claiming there is little to no room for our government to become less effective at serving the interests of the people than it currently is? --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:927885227] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>I might be misunderstanding, but are you guys claiming there is little to no room for our government to become less effective at serving the interests of the people than it currently is?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 3:37:49 PM #368:	Suprak the Stud posted... The government cannot just make up evidence to get the convictions they want regardless of what the crime is or what the punishment for that crime is. I agree What Im saying is that if they DID, and it resulted in someone legitimately dangerous being convicted, I wouldnt be too chuffed. Like sometimes real evidence is damning but inadmissible, and usually for good reason! SOMETIMES we are worse off for it though. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927885315] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>The government cannot just make up evidence to get the convictions they want regardless of what the crime is or what the punishment for that crime is.</quote> I agree What Im saying is that if they DID, and it resulted in someone legitimately dangerous being convicted, I wouldnt be too chuffed. Like sometimes real evidence is damning but inadmissible, and usually for good reason! SOMETIMES we are worse off for it though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 4:15:08 PM #369:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... I can't believe AA5 was right. We truly are headed for The Dark Age of Law. Fixed that for you. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927887029] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted...</cite> <quote>I can't believe AA5 was right. We truly are headed for The Dark Age of Law. </quote> Fixed that for you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 09/24/19 4:32:50 PM #370:	Every single senator voted in favor of a non binding resolution calling on trump to release the whistleblower complaint in full. This seems strange, but i have no faith in the Republicans to pressure any further. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:927887931] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Every single senator voted in favor of a non binding resolution calling on trump to release the whistleblower complaint in full. This seems strange, but i have no faith in the Republicans to pressure any further.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skullbone 09/24/19 4:36:55 PM #371:	Peace___Frog posted... Every single senator voted in favor of a non binding resolution calling on trump to release the whistleblower complaint in full. This seems strange, but i have no faith in the Republicans to pressure any further. Senators to Trump: "Pretty pretty PLEASE with icing on top release the whistleblower complaint!" --- skull <cite>skullbone posted [p:927888125] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote>Every single senator voted in favor of a non binding resolution calling on trump to release the whistleblower complaint in full. This seems strange, but i have no faith in the Republicans to pressure any further.</quote> Senators to Trump: "Pretty pretty PLEASE with icing on top release the whistleblower complaint!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 09/24/19 4:40:24 PM #372:	But the fact that not even McConnell blocked it is wild --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:927888343] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>But the fact that not even McConnell blocked it is wild</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 4:42:05 PM #373:	Mitch knows what he's doing. He's probably trying to start the spin before the House can vote on impeachment, thus making them look like radical lunatics. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927888437] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Mitch knows what he's doing. He's probably trying to start the spin before the House can vote on impeachment, thus making them look like radical lunatics. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 09/24/19 4:44:45 PM #374:	Peace___Frog posted... But the fact that not even McConnell blocked it is wild McConnell will pivot the entire senate to pro-impeachment if he thinks they'll win more elections that way. (they being the GOP, obviously, he wants to remain senate majority leader) --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:927888586] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Peace___Frog posted... </cite> <quote>But the fact that not even McConnell blocked it is wild</quote> McConnell will pivot the entire senate to pro-impeachment if he thinks they'll win more elections that way. (they being the GOP, obviously, he wants to remain senate majority leader) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 09/24/19 4:48:18 PM #375:	Trump definitely winning re-election if they go the impeachment route. Bonus points if he can ice Biden out of the nomination due to Dems not able to double standarding and go into the election versus Warren. Wow. This is like political genius. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:927888744] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Trump definitely winning re-election if they go the impeachment route. Bonus points if he can ice Biden out of the nomination due to Dems not able to double standarding and go into the election versus Warren. Wow. This is like political genius. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 09/24/19 4:48:57 PM #376:	I think this would be an extraordinarily stupid move if Republicans didn't intend to pressure further if necessary, which makes me think they are willing to pressure further. Why give Democrats the "Trump defying a unanimous order of the Senate" piece of ammunition if they aren't willing to go all the way and completely turn on Trump if this blows up further? Now, I think the more likely outcome is Trump caving and a return to the status quo in terms of Congressional allegiances, but I can't see any reason for Republicans to do this other than to actually take a hard-line stance on this issue. --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:927888766] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>I think this would be an extraordinarily stupid move if Republicans didn't intend to pressure further if necessary, which makes me think they are willing to pressure further. Why give Democrats the "Trump defying a unanimous order of the Senate" piece of ammunition if they aren't willing to go all the way and completely turn on Trump if this blows up further? Now, I think the more likely outcome is Trump caving and a return to the status quo in terms of Congressional allegiances, but I can't see any reason for Republicans to do this other than to actually take a hard-line stance on this issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/24/19 4:53:33 PM #377:	McConnell is goading the Democrats to impeach. Impeach and the 2020 election goes from 50/50 to 90/10 odds for Trump. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927889003] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>McConnell is goading the Democrats to impeach. Impeach and the 2020 election goes from 50/50 to 90/10 odds for Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 4:56:49 PM #378:	Where are all these votes you think you're gaining from this? Trump has one the lowest levels of undecided voters in presidential history. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927889161] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Where are all these votes you think you're gaining from this? Trump has one the lowest levels of undecided voters in presidential history.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/24/19 4:58:41 PM #379:	I love how all these Repubs who have always said Trump would win are now like ohhhhh! Hes got it on LOCK now! Like who exactly didnt support Trump before that will jump to his aid now that hes been caught doing more shady shit? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927889232] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>I love how all these Repubs who have always said Trump would win are now like ohhhhh! Hes got it on LOCK now! Like who exactly didnt support Trump before that will jump to his aid now that hes been caught doing more shady shit?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/24/19 4:58:44 PM #380:	TheRock1525 posted... Where are all these votes you think you're gaining from this? Trump has one the lowest levels of undecided voters in presidential history. For precisely that reason, the small number of swing voters are super critical. Impeach, and the Democrats will not be able to establish a platform to run on. The impeachment will consume them. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927889233] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Where are all these votes you think you're gaining from this? Trump has one the lowest levels of undecided voters in presidential history.</quote> For precisely that reason, the small number of swing voters are super critical. Impeach, and the Democrats will not be able to establish a platform to run on. The impeachment will consume them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/24/19 4:59:28 PM #381:	Let it be known I think he still has a great chance, but this impeachment isnt helping him. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:927889263] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Let it be known I think he still has a great chance, but this impeachment isnt helping him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/24/19 4:59:52 PM #382:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... I love how all these Repubs who have always said Trump would win are now like ohhhhh! Hes got it on LOCK now! Like who exactly didnt support Trump before that will jump to his aid now that hes been caught doing more shady shit? I have not said before that he would win in 2020. I have consistently said that I was not confident one way or the other on 2020. I did call 2016 - 48 states correct, and off by less than 1% on the other 2. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927889286] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>I love how all these Repubs who have always said Trump would win are now like ohhhhh! Hes got it on LOCK now! Like who exactly didnt support Trump before that will jump to his aid now that hes been caught doing more shady shit?</quote> I have not said before that he would win in 2020. I have consistently said that I was not confident one way or the other on 2020. I did call 2016 - 48 states correct, and off by less than 1% on the other 2.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 09/24/19 5:06:06 PM #383:	"impeachment inquiry" official --- GuessMyUserName's account's very own account <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:927889557] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>"impeachment inquiry" official</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 09/24/19 5:07:18 PM #384:	stumbly but official --- GuessMyUserName's account's very own account <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:927889622] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>stumbly but official</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 5:08:44 PM #385:	red sox 777 posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... I love how all these Repubs who have always said Trump would win are now like ohhhhh! Hes got it on LOCK now! Like who exactly didnt support Trump before that will jump to his aid now that hes been caught doing more shady shit? I have not said before that he would win in 2020. I have consistently said that I was not confident one way or the other on 2020. I did call 2016 - 48 states correct, and off by less than 1% on the other 2. Yeah and Nate Silver went 50/50 in 2012 --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927889690] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>I love how all these Repubs who have always said Trump would win are now like ohhhhh! Hes got it on LOCK now! Like who exactly didnt support Trump before that will jump to his aid now that hes been caught doing more shady shit?</quote> I have not said before that he would win in 2020. I have consistently said that I was not confident one way or the other on 2020. I did call 2016 - 48 states correct, and off by less than 1% on the other 2.</quote> Yeah and Nate Silver went 50/50 in 2012</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/24/19 5:09:59 PM #386:	Oh yeah, heres another horrific Trump story from earlier in his term that came out yesterday: https://twitter.com/tomnamako/status/1176310549656809473?s=21 Easy to see a straight line between this and Trump not giving a shit about MBS having Khashoggi dismembered with a bone saw. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:927889740] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Oh yeah, heres another horrific Trump story from earlier in his term that came out yesterday: https://twitter.com/tomnamako/status/1176310549656809473?s=21 Easy to see a straight line between this and Trump not giving a shit about MBS having Khashoggi dismembered with a bone saw.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 09/24/19 5:23:15 PM #387:	https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1176606660279898112 --- GuessMyUserName's account's very own account <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:927890404] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1176606660279898112</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/24/19 5:24:35 PM #388:	Grimlyn posted... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1176606660279898112 Sounds like a guy whos definitely being given exactly what he wants...! --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:927890469] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Grimlyn posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1176606660279898112</quote> Sounds like a guy whos definitely being given exactly what he wants...!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 5:29:07 PM #389:	I hope, I SINCERELY hope, that if he releases a transcript of the phone call that its not doctored, but rather written up tonight entirely by him. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927890670] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>I hope, I SINCERELY hope, that if he releases a transcript of the phone call that its not doctored, but rather written up tonight entirely by him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 09/24/19 5:32:47 PM #390:	i hope the transcript has dirt on biden --- GuessMyUserName's account's very own account <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:927890841] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>i hope the transcript has dirt on biden</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GildedFool 09/24/19 5:33:37 PM #391:	Y'all just couldn't let the UK Supreme Court bitchslapping the Prime Minister be the big story of the day could you? --- https://i.imgtc.com/tP0gkiQ.png <cite>GildedFool posted [p:927890880] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Y'all just couldn't let the UK Supreme Court bitchslapping the Prime Minister be the big story of the day could you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hannyabal 09/24/19 5:37:10 PM #392:	red sox 777 posted... TheRock1525 posted... Where are all these votes you think you're gaining from this? Trump has one the lowest levels of undecided voters in presidential history. For precisely that reason, the small number of swing voters are super critical. Impeach, and the Democrats will not be able to establish a platform to run on. The impeachment will consume them. The swing voters literally dont matter. Its all about progressive voters being excited and showing up to vote. If they show up to vote (see 2008), its a landslide for the democrats. If they arent excited and dont show up, republicans will win. Swing voters having any real impact on an election is just a myth to attempt to make candidates more moderate and centrist. <cite>Hannyabal posted [p:927891052] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Where are all these votes you think you're gaining from this? Trump has one the lowest levels of undecided voters in presidential history.</quote> For precisely that reason, the small number of swing voters are super critical. Impeach, and the Democrats will not be able to establish a platform to run on. The impeachment will consume them.</quote> The swing voters literally dont matter. Its all about progressive voters being excited and showing up to vote. If they show up to vote (see 2008), its a landslide for the democrats. If they arent excited and dont show up, republicans will win. Swing voters having any real impact on an election is just a myth to attempt to make candidates more moderate and centrist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 09/24/19 5:49:31 PM #393:	sup guys anything happen while i was gone --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:927891649] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>sup guys anything happen while i was gone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 6:00:01 PM #394:	Hannyabal posted... red sox 777 posted... TheRock1525 posted... Where are all these votes you think you're gaining from this? Trump has one the lowest levels of undecided voters in presidential history. For precisely that reason, the small number of swing voters are super critical. Impeach, and the Democrats will not be able to establish a platform to run on. The impeachment will consume them. The swing voters literally dont matter. Its all about progressive voters being excited and showing up to vote. If they show up to vote (see 2008), its a landslide for the democrats. If they arent excited and dont show up, republicans will win. Swing voters having any real impact on an election is just a myth to attempt to make candidates more moderate and centrist. Right. The biggest battle is converting non-voter to voter, not to get people to choose a different candidate --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927892149] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Hannyabal posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Where are all these votes you think you're gaining from this? Trump has one the lowest levels of undecided voters in presidential history.</quote> For precisely that reason, the small number of swing voters are super critical. Impeach, and the Democrats will not be able to establish a platform to run on. The impeachment will consume them.</quote> The swing voters literally dont matter. Its all about progressive voters being excited and showing up to vote. If they show up to vote (see 2008), its a landslide for the democrats. If they arent excited and dont show up, republicans will win. Swing voters having any real impact on an election is just a myth to attempt to make candidates more moderate and centrist.</quote> Right. The biggest battle is converting non-voter to voter, not to get people to choose a different candidate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 09/24/19 6:13:39 PM #395:	I honestly hope the Ukraine phone call is the real deal. He's done so much crap worth investigating, so please let this be strong enough for them to take it home. I'm going to be quite put off if this is the straw that finally got impeachment proceedings started only for them to trip up while rounding 3rd. --- ~C~ FD https://imgur.com/dGDfxaw <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:927892818] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>I honestly hope the Ukraine phone call is the real deal. He's done so much crap worth investigating, so please let this be strong enough for them to take it home. I'm going to be quite put off if this is the straw that finally got impeachment proceedings started only for them to trip up while rounding 3rd. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/24/19 6:14:51 PM #396:	Jakyl25 posted... Hannyabal posted... red sox 777 posted... TheRock1525 posted... Where are all these votes you think you're gaining from this? Trump has one the lowest levels of undecided voters in presidential history. For precisely that reason, the small number of swing voters are super critical. Impeach, and the Democrats will not be able to establish a platform to run on. The impeachment will consume them. The swing voters literally dont matter. Its all about progressive voters being excited and showing up to vote. If they show up to vote (see 2008), its a landslide for the democrats. If they arent excited and dont show up, republicans will win. Swing voters having any real impact on an election is just a myth to attempt to make candidates more moderate and centrist. Right. The biggest battle is converting non-voter to voter, not to get people to choose a different candidate Completely disagree. This thinking is exactly what lost Hillary the 2016 election. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927892874] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Hannyabal posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Where are all these votes you think you're gaining from this? Trump has one the lowest levels of undecided voters in presidential history.</quote> For precisely that reason, the small number of swing voters are super critical. Impeach, and the Democrats will not be able to establish a platform to run on. The impeachment will consume them.</quote> The swing voters literally dont matter. Its all about progressive voters being excited and showing up to vote. If they show up to vote (see 2008), its a landslide for the democrats. If they arent excited and dont show up, republicans will win. Swing voters having any real impact on an election is just a myth to attempt to make candidates more moderate and centrist.</quote> Right. The biggest battle is converting non-voter to voter, not to get people to choose a different candidate</quote> Completely disagree. This thinking is exactly what lost Hillary the 2016 election.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CaptainOfCrush 09/24/19 6:16:38 PM #397:	Agreed. Despite way more media coverage and an almost exalted status, the swing voter is dwarfed by the "fuck this I'm staying home" voter. In this case, I wouldn't be surprised if an impeachment inquiry galvanizes the "fuck this" voters on both ends of the spectrum. --- Yoblazer https://imgur.com/gByqgPg <cite>CaptainOfCrush posted [p:927892974] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Agreed. Despite way more media coverage and an almost exalted status, the swing voter is dwarfed by the "fuck this I'm staying home" voter. In this case, I wouldn't be surprised if an impeachment inquiry galvanizes the "fuck this" voters on both ends of the spectrum. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 6:36:18 PM #398:	Forceful_Dragon posted... I honestly hope the Ukraine phone call is the real deal. He's done so much crap worth investigating, so please let this be strong enough for them to take it home. I'm going to be quite put off if this is the straw that finally got impeachment proceedings started only for them to trip up while rounding 3rd. This is why its good theyve got Biden. He knows his way around 3rd base! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927893877] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Forceful_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>I honestly hope the Ukraine phone call is the real deal. He's done so much crap worth investigating, so please let this be strong enough for them to take it home. I'm going to be quite put off if this is the straw that finally got impeachment proceedings started only for them to trip up while rounding 3rd. </quote> This is why its good theyve got Biden. He knows his way around 3rd base!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 09/24/19 6:42:18 PM #399:	To continue on some "stupid Watergate" parallels. The Watergate burglars actually got away with it the first time. It was only when one of the transmitters was defective and they went back the second time that they got caught. Also Nixon announced he'd release the tapes... in what turned out to be a heavily misleading release. ~~~ I also imagine that Pelosi wants to drag this process out as long as possible a la Benghazi for maximum damage as well as being able to investigate as fully as possible. On other impeachment timelines we're still a ways off on the final impeachment vote and trial. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:927894150] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>To continue on some "stupid Watergate" parallels. The Watergate burglars actually got away with it the first time. It was only when one of the transmitters was defective and they went back the second time that they got caught. Also Nixon announced he'd release the tapes... in what turned out to be a heavily misleading release. ~~~ I also imagine that Pelosi wants to drag this process out as long as possible a la Benghazi for maximum damage as well as being able to investigate as fully as possible. On other impeachment timelines we're still a ways off on the final impeachment vote and trial.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 09/24/19 10:05:00 PM #400:	Suprak the Stud posted... This was from way back in May. Im curious for their analysis with the recent Ukraine stuff. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/would-democrats-really-face-a-backlash-if-they-impeached-trump/ https://twitter.com/YouGovUS/status/1176597972659970048 n= 2805 the overall support vs overall oppose is pretty nuts for all/dem/ind bars, like more Rs overall support than Is overall oppose and republicans not even breaking 50% overall oppose is also pretty amazing and this is our day 1 starting point --- GuessMyUserName's account's very own account <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:927903032] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>This was from way back in May. Im curious for their analysis with the recent Ukraine stuff. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/would-democrats-really-face-a-backlash-if-they-impeached-trump/</quote> https://twitter.com/YouGovUS/status/1176597972659970048 n= 2805 the overall support vs overall oppose is pretty nuts for all/dem/ind bars, like more Rs overall support than Is overall oppose and republicans not even breaking 50% overall oppose is also pretty amazing and this is our day 1 starting point</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 10:16:13 PM #401:	I still don't get why the left is celebrating this. The man is still going to be president, will still appoint judges (and maybe even a SCOTUS justice), and if anything will just abandon any bipartisan legislation like gun control. There is no practical reason to be happy until November 2020 (if Trump is defeated). --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927903460] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>I still don't get why the left is celebrating this. The man is still going to be president, will still appoint judges (and maybe even a SCOTUS justice), and if anything will just abandon any bipartisan legislation like gun control. There is no practical reason to be happy until November 2020 (if Trump is defeated). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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