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TheRock1525
11/13/19 10:00:03 PM
#51:


SmartMuffin posted...
the single biggest variables that correlates with "favorable view of socialism" in America is being foreign born. bigger predictor than race, gender, age, college education, anything. Immigrants are more likely to favor Democrats, completely and entirely independent of race or social issues.


I'm sure you have evidence for this.
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red sox 777
11/13/19 10:08:55 PM
#53:


SmartMuffin posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Muffin you do realize that your implication that only immigrants want free stuff is not exactly making you look non-racist, right


yes because if only I hadn't said that, you guys wouldn't be calling me a racist

just like how you never called mitt romney one either

there's empirical data on this - I've posted the chart before

the single biggest variables that correlates with "favorable view of socialism" in America is being foreign born. bigger predictor than race, gender, age, college education, anything. Immigrants are more likely to favor Democrats, completely and entirely independent of race or social issues.


So, is this like how the single extracurricular activity best correlated with getting into top colleges is having parents who visit art museums?

Immigrants tend to be poorer, and poorer people the world over tend to like socialism. Because it's in their interest to do so, much like it's in the interest of rich people to want lower taxes on the rich. It's just rational self-interest.

Poor Americans tend to be more skeptical of socialism than poor people elsewhere in the world, because capitalism has delivered prosperity for America for so long. So it's not surprising that immigrants to America like socialism more than people whose families have been here for generations.
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red sox 777
11/13/19 10:10:23 PM
#54:


But you are behind the times, Muffin. The Democratic Party is not the party of socialists anymore. It's the party of free market liberals like LOTM.

If you actually want socialist policies, vote Trump. You can vote Bernie too, but he won't win.
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red sox 777
11/13/19 10:18:30 PM
#55:


Also, always found it a little surprising that the Republican Party could do well in Virginia, which is home to the highest concentration of federal government workers anywhere. Trump literally promised to take away their jobs by draining the swamp. I mean the Republican Party has been making the same promise for 40 years but Trump actually gave signs of meaning it.

It's like Hillary Clinton and West Virginia - she literally told them she was going to take away their livelihood and maybe offer them a few online classes.
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red sox 777
11/13/19 10:22:30 PM
#56:


Incidentally, it's too bad the VA government is now controlled by Democrats, because a great way to make it a red state would be to remerge it with West Virginia! And to really guarantee a Republican victory, cede the original portions of the District of Columbia back to DC. It wouldn't increase DC's representation since they don't get to elect people to Congress and their Electoral College representation is fixed at 3 votes.
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Runemistress
11/13/19 11:11:54 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
Also, always found it a little surprising that the Republican Party could do well in Virginia, which is home to the highest concentration of federal government workers anywhere. Trump literally promised to take away their jobs by draining the swamp. I mean the Republican Party has been making the same promise for 40 years but Trump actually gave signs of meaning it.


You owe me a new bullshit detector. Your post broke mine.
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LordoftheMorons
11/13/19 11:18:50 PM
#58:


A platonic ideal of how the mainstream media is actually (unintentionally) biased towards Trump:

https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/1194805959627018240

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red sox 777
11/13/19 11:20:19 PM
#59:


LordoftheMorons posted...
A platonic ideal of how the mainstream media is actually (unintentionally) biased towards Trump:

https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/1194805959627018240


They can't help themselves. Like moths drawn to a flame...
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Reg
11/13/19 11:23:51 PM
#60:


LordoftheMorons posted...
the mainstream media is actually (unintentionally) biased towards Trump:

Haven't we literally known this for years at this point?

Maggie Haberman still has a job btw
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LordoftheMorons
11/13/19 11:31:44 PM
#61:


Reg posted...
Haven't we literally known this for years at this point?

Maggie Haberman still has a job btw
Yes, but I don't think it's widely accepted because people make the same fallacy that's one of the major reasons for this bias existing in the first place (the implicit assumption that each "side" in a political issue are equally valid). They then decide that coverage of Trump being 90% negative means that the mainstream media is biased against Trump, even though it should be even more negative (e.g. there are no "two equally valid sides" to "is it okay to extort the Ukrainians into announcing an investigation into your political opponent).

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ChaosTonyV4
11/13/19 11:34:56 PM
#62:


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/470409-tyts-cenk-uygur-files-to-run-for-katie-hills-house-seat

The link says it all

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LordoftheMorons
11/13/19 11:37:01 PM
#63:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/470409-tyts-cenk-uygur-files-to-run-for-katie-hills-house-seat

The link says it all
So is pizzagater and accused rapist Mike Cernovich

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LordoftheMorons
11/13/19 11:39:40 PM
#64:


...and George Papadopoulos

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Suprak the Stud
11/13/19 11:44:22 PM
#65:


LordoftheMorons posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/470409-tyts-cenk-uygur-files-to-run-for-katie-hills-house-seat

The link says it all
So is pizzagater and accused rapist Mike Cernovich


These debates already sound way more interesting than the democratic primary free for alls tbqh.
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Jakyl25
11/13/19 11:56:17 PM
#66:


God I never thought I would see red sox so thoroughly destroy someones argument
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LordoftheMorons
11/14/19 1:03:25 AM
#67:


Oh no, the inquiry also lacked "pizzazz!"
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1194830580896145408

Fun fact: while it is true that capturing the public's attention matters, segments of the media downplaying the substance of the testimony to focus on the presentation makes it a lot fucking harder for that attention to be captured!

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Not_an_Owl
11/14/19 1:08:32 AM
#68:


Pardon the question, but isn't "plenty of substance, little drama" exactly what should be happening at an inquiry to determine whether or not to impeach the president?
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Forceful_Dragon
11/14/19 1:12:59 AM
#69:


I mean I want a good surgeon who is capable at his job.... But this guy doesn't have enough pizzazz so I think I'm going to go with the fun doctor instead!
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Suprak the Stud
11/14/19 1:28:56 AM
#70:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Pardon the question, but isn't "plenty of substance, little drama" exactly what should be happening at an inquiry to determine whether or not to impeach the president?


Yeah but where are the jugglers tho
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StealThisSheen
11/14/19 1:37:00 AM
#71:


I'm disappointed they didn't get pro wrestling entrances
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xp1337
11/14/19 2:32:30 AM
#72:


StealThisSheen posted...
I'm disappointed they didn't get pro wrestling entrances

pyrotechnics too

have c-span add jojo "menacing" kana on the screen after fitting lines of questioning/answers

questioners have their own hype-people behind them when on camera

chair has a soundboard with fitting sounds like the csi miami theme for any *puts on sunglasses* moments
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red sox 777
11/14/19 3:28:33 AM
#73:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Reg posted...
Haven't we literally known this for years at this point?

Maggie Haberman still has a job btw
Yes, but I don't think it's widely accepted because people make the same fallacy that's one of the major reasons for this bias existing in the first place (the implicit assumption that each "side" in a political issue are equally valid). They then decide that coverage of Trump being 90% negative means that the mainstream media is biased against Trump, even though it should be even more negative (e.g. there are no "two equally valid sides" to "is it okay to extort the Ukrainians into announcing an investigation into your political opponent).


The media is biased against Trump because they intend to damage his cause. They try to compensate for their inherent bias against him by making the coverage "balanced" and end up favoring him. So they are guilty as charged by Trump and as charged by you.
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LordoftheMorons
11/14/19 4:10:44 AM
#74:


If they intended to damage his cause they wouldn't compensate for their biases in Trump's favor!

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Mr Lasastryke
11/14/19 7:43:11 AM
#75:


Jakyl25 posted...
God I never thought I would see red sox so thoroughly destroy someones argument


it's weird because red sox is spot-on with his "the democrats aren't the party of socialists/the left" commentary but then he'll also say shit like "TULSI IS TRYING TO SAVE YOUR PARTY AND YOU GUYS HATE HER." very few of the regulars here like the dems (LotM and... uh... suprak maybe?) so calling them "our party" makes no sense. i guess he's trolling when he says this but when he drops the trolling act he ends up contradicting himself.
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Mega Mana
11/14/19 8:27:32 AM
#76:


You know what I haven't seen talked about regarding the ratings of the trial, and how 'no one watched, no one cared came out yesterday.

Disney+ came out yesterday. Massive giant distraction service came out yesterday the same day as the impeachment hearings. They can say running it across six networks did nothing, but a streaming service doesn't need to be broadcast. This isn't like if they aired during the Super Bowl because one would preempt the other on at least one of the networks. There's a legitimate shiny object that I knew more people were watching or talking about at work yesterday than the hearings, and nothing mentions it.

It's correlation and not really linked together, except the Democrats are dumbasses for putting the first event the same day Disney+ launches.
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Suprak the Stud
11/14/19 10:19:54 AM
#77:


https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/politics/deval-patrick-president-2020-campaign/index.html

"Oh good we need more candidates" I think is a position held by no one.

I guess he probably takes votes from Biden or Buttigieg so maybe overall this is an ok thing? I can't imagine him polling high enough to make any of the debates so it is likely entirely inconsequential.
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The Mana Sword
11/14/19 10:42:40 AM
#78:


you know I was just thinking we really could use a few more people in the race
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Xeybozn
11/14/19 11:00:50 AM
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How many more candidates does the Democratic primary need before it becomes viable for Trump to enter and win the nomination solely because the actual Dem votes are split too many ways?
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HashtagSEP
11/14/19 11:13:10 AM
#80:


Guys

I'm announcing my 2020 presidential campaign
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Nelson_Mandela
11/14/19 12:02:32 PM
#81:


Xeybozn posted...
How many more candidates does the Democratic primary need before it becomes viable for Trump to enter and win the nomination solely because the actual Dem votes are split too many ways?

No one except for Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, or Louis Farrakhan will actually split the primary vote in any significant way at this point.
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Corrik7
11/14/19 12:24:27 PM
#82:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Louis Farrakhan
Who

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red sox 777
11/14/19 12:32:02 PM
#83:


The Democrats would need enough candidates to suppress the leader below 15% or whatever their threshold is for getting delegates. Thanks to the Democrats' proportional representation system, it's not enough that Trump wins a plurality in each state - that would get him a plurality of the delegates, but the other delegates would rally around whichever non-Trump candidate has the most delegates and nominate that person.

Trump needs an outright majority of the delegates - and that is only going to happen if he can have a bunch of states where he wins all the delegates because none of his competitors reached the minimum threshold.
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Ashethan
11/14/19 12:54:38 PM
#84:


Xeybozn posted...
How many more candidates does the Democratic primary need before it becomes viable for Trump to enter and win the nomination solely because the actual Dem votes are split too many ways?


Infinite. Super Delegates would never let it happen.
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11/14/19 12:58:00 PM
#85:


Ashethan posted...
Xeybozn posted...
How many more candidates does the Democratic primary need before it becomes viable for Trump to enter and win the nomination solely because the actual Dem votes are split too many ways?


Infinite. Super Delegates would never let it happen.

infinite implies that the limit of the candidate count is this scenario and that it theoretically could be a thing

the answer is N/A because it just can't period
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red sox 777
11/14/19 1:51:42 PM
#86:


An infinite number of Democratic candidates would result in the Earth collapsing into a black hole under the weight of all those candidates. So Trump wouldn't be able to win the Democratic nomination, but neither would anyone else.
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The Mana Sword
11/14/19 2:00:20 PM
#87:


HashtagSEP posted...
Guys

I'm announcing my 2020 presidential campaign


would probably poll higher than half the current candidates
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LordoftheMorons
11/14/19 2:12:27 PM
#88:


https://twitter.com/jpacedc/status/1195021456557707265?s=21

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Suprak the Stud
11/14/19 2:17:28 PM
#89:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/jpacedc/status/1195021456557707265?s=21


Boring and uninteresting.

Call me when someone flashes their junk.
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LordoftheMorons
11/14/19 3:32:47 PM
#90:


https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1195059585708707842?s=21

Disgusting

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red sox 777
11/14/19 3:34:12 PM
#91:


LordoftheMorons posted...
If they intended to damage his cause they wouldn't compensate for their biases in Trump's favor!


You're assuming these are intelligent people. They've given every sign that they are not.
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LordoftheMorons
11/14/19 3:38:17 PM
#92:


https://twitter.com/riegerreport/status/1194433830444244992?s=21

Wow 17 different and often contradictory defenses. How could they come up with that many if he wasnt totally innocent??

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LordoftheMorons
11/14/19 4:00:36 PM
#93:


Bevin has conceded KY Gov:

https://twitter.com/janestreet/status/1195058565582655489?s=21

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Jakyl25
11/14/19 4:56:41 PM
#94:


Wow Im honestly...well impressed isnt the right word but...not unimpressed, I guess

Bevin you get a cookie for accepting it like an adult, just a week late
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red sox 777
11/14/19 5:03:12 PM
#95:


Jakyl25 posted...
Wow Im honestly...well impressed isnt the right word but...not unimpressed, I guess

Bevin you get a cookie for accepting it like an adult, just a week late


Much earlier than Al Gore, Stacy Abrams, and Hillary Clinton! The Democrats still haven't conceded the 2016 election!
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Lightning Strikes
11/14/19 5:34:02 PM
#96:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/election-2019-50427369

Dude
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SmartMuffin
11/14/19 6:39:31 PM
#97:


It's like the old Chinese proverb:

"What is the penalty for favoring marginally lower tax rates?"

"They call you a racist"

"And what is the penalty for openly advocating for white nationalism?"

"They call you a racist"

"Well then..."
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ChaosTonyV4
11/14/19 6:40:52 PM
#98:


Yikes

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red sox 777
11/14/19 6:41:31 PM
#99:


SmartMuffin posted...
It's like the old Chinese proverb:

"What is the penalty for favoring marginally lower tax rates?"

"They call you a racist"

"And what is the penalty for openly advocating for white nationalism?"

"They call you a racist"

"Well then..."


That is not a Chinese proverb. And are you admitting that you favor white nationalism?
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HeroDelTiempo17
11/14/19 6:42:50 PM
#100:


gotta love the honesty of the "they'll say I'm a racist so might as well actually be a racist" strat

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ChaosTonyV4
11/14/19 6:43:02 PM
#101:


"Well, if I'm already getting called racist for favoring low taxes, I might as well just actually be racist!"

It's almost like the words and things you say when discussing "marginally lower taxes" betray the fact that you're racist.

A non-racist person doesn't get pushed into racism by being called racist.

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