Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 248: a Perfect impeachment hearing

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A list of all the people the most powerful person in the country wants jailed

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1195389483664990208?s=21

Thats not scary at all!
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You know who else lied?
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Bush, and people died I hear
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Jakyl25 posted...

I actually read the whole thing

By the end of it, hes forced to pretend to be trans and get surgery to get a promotion

woof

i tapped out early Tuesday when I saw the view 95 more replies button

i did enjoy the tweet where he says he doesnt have a girlfriend because hes too tired and depressed... no way its actually because hes the guy writing threads about how everybody else is an NPC

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

woof

i tapped out early Tuesday when I saw the view 95 more replies button

i did enjoy the tweet where he says he doesnt have a girlfriend because hes too tired and depressed... no way its actually because hes the guy writing threads about how everybody else is an NPC

Was it written by JRPG protagonist Vlado?

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Jakyl25 posted...

Bush, and people died I hear

Another Republican President also lied!
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red sox 777 posted...

I genuinely like Tulsi. I really think if the Democrats nominated her, they would have a chance of getting back into the good graces of the American People.

i think tulsi is fine, she wouldn't be the worst nominee the dems could have. though she certainly has flaws and the fact that breitbart is gushing over her probably isn't a good sign.

just saying that "she's trying to save the dems!!" isn't very persuasive when you're saying this to a bunch of people who hate the dems. if you want to convince people here she's good, it would be better to explain what's good about her positions.
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SmartMuffin posted...

If the conservative movement gets taken over by people who actually take it seriously, the left is finished.

lol is this actually a post
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Was it written by JRPG protagonist Vlado?

I could imagine vlado eating lunch on toilet so he can watch anime, so maybe

ok I actually dug deeper and the ending really takes a turn where he suddenly has to be gay and theres a cake made of bugs


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White House denies Trump's tweet was witness intimidation
The White House has just issued a statement denying that Trumps tweet smearing the reputation of Maria Yovanovitch as she testified in the impeachment inquiry amounted to witness intimidation.

The tweet was not witness intimidation, it was simply the Presidents opinion, which he is entitled to, said White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham.

She went on to slam the inquiry as a whole: There is less due process in this hearing than any such event in the history of our country. Its a true disgrace.

Has that defense worked... ever?
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

red sox 777 posted...

I genuinely like Tulsi. I really think if the Democrats nominated her, they would have a chance of getting back into the good graces of the American People.

i think tulsi is fine, she wouldn't be the worst nominee the dems could have. though she certainly has flaws and the fact that breitbart is gushing over her probably isn't a good sign.

just saying that "she's trying to save the dems!!" isn't very persuasive when you're saying this to a bunch of people who hate the dems. if you want to convince people here she's good, it would be better to explain what's good about her positions.

I'm not trying to save the Dems though. I did before and I concluded that the party is so far lost that they just aren't ready to come back to reality at this point. So right now, the optimal strategy is to try to saddle the Dems with the worst possible nominee (probably Biden) so the Republicans win again and again, until the Democrats finally learn.
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Probably, if it's an opinion. Let's see if it is?

Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad.

Pure opinion.

She started off in Somalia, how did that go?

The only fact here is that she was working in Somalia - seems like a true and nonintimidating fact. The rest is opinion.

Then fast forward to Ukraine, where the new Ukrainian President spoke unfavorably about her in my second phone call with him.

Purely a second-hand opinion.

It is a U.S. Presidents absolute right to appoint ambassadors.

True statement of fact which does not criticize or pressure this ambassador at all.

...They call it serving at the pleasure of the President.

True fact.

The U.S. now has a very strong and powerful foreign policy, much different than proceeding administrations. It is called, quite simply, America First!

Pure opinion.

With all of that, however, I have done FAR more for Ukraine than O.

Pure opinion.
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https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/status/1195347841381797893

Wow I can't believe Stephanie Grisham lied

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/status/1195347841381797893

Wow I can't believe Stephanie Grisham lied

Trump is clearly multitasking. He's probably the best multitasker out there - like have you ever met a better multitasker?
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i think tulsi is fine, she wouldn't be the worst nominee the dems could have.

Was going to disagree but Marianne Williamson exists. You win this round, Tulsi!

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red sox 777 posted...

Trump is clearly multitasking. He's probably the best multitasker out there - like have you ever met a better multitasker?

Sudafed is a hell of a drug.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Was going to disagree but Marianne Williamson exists. You win this round, Tulsi!

Mayor Pete, Tim Delaney, Joe Biden, Kamala

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I like how I wanted to correct you that his name isn't Tim Delaney

but then I was going to correct you by saying it's Tom Delaney

but i googled first

apparently it's John Delaney
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Lmfao

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On an unrelated note, guess who would have been Prince Consort of the United States in 1860 if the US made George Washington hereditary monarch and adopted the UK rules of succession with the caveat that adopted children are treated as natural children?

Robert E. Lee
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Youre both wrong

Its Jeb! Delaney

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That isnt fair to Jeb!
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Youre both wrong

Its Jeb! Delaney

Please (don't) tax

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Mayor Pete, Tim Delaney, Joe Biden, Kamala

I would literally take a centrist democrat over Tulsi, who uses her more independent leanings to pander to right-wing interests harder while insisting the system is corrupt. None of them stand for anything except Tulsi is also a professional contrarian.

I'd probably take her over Delaney, the other billionaires and businessmen buying their way in, and the rest of the literally whos though so I'll concede that too.

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Anyway, Im undecided on Gabbard vs Williamson, but Id take even Steyer over her easily

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The GOP deliberately break the rules of the hearing so they can baselessly accuse Schiff of being sexist for enforcing said rules:
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1195425900835332096?s=21

Shame on Stefanik (who has typically been one of the more sane Republicans and who certainly knows better) for going along with this shit

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LordoftheMorons posted...

The GOP deliberately break the rules of the hearing so they can baselessly accuse Schiff of being sexist for enforcing said rules:
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1195425900835332096?s=21

Shame on Stefanik (who has typically been one of the more sane Republicans and who certainly knows better) for going along with this shit

That's what the Dems have done for years. Turnabout is fair.
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Mayor Pete, Tim Delaney, Joe Biden, Kamala

I would literally take a centrist democrat over Tulsi, who uses her more independent leanings to pander to right-wing interests harder while insisting the system is corrupt. None of them stand for anything except Tulsi is also a professional contrarian.

I'd probably take her over Delaney, the other billionaires and businessmen buying their way in, and the rest of the literally whos though so I'll concede that too.

Yeah as much as I liked Tulsi until about...three months ago, I would 100% take Biden and Harris over her now.

Her and Pete are about tied for me. She still ranks higher than (insert first name here) Delaney though!
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More polling out the past couple of days:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Biden is up in Nevada still, but only by about +6 or so with Warren and Sanders both at 18. Buttigieg seems to have surged a bit here too but he's at least a tier below these three for now. Warren/Sanders within striking distance is good particularly if one of them can win one (or both!) of the first two states).

Worse news from NC where two polls have Biden up huge and (more concerning) both Warren and Sanders struggle to crack that 15% needed to get any delegates at all. I'm hoping as more candidates drop out they should get above that thresh hold in NC at least, but again in the southern states it is a legitimate concern that Biden bodies them so badly that he takes 100% of the delegates.

Fox News polls has both Bernie/Biden up +7 over Trump in Nevada and both (!) ahead of him in NC by the slimmest of margins. Too far out and Republicans always come home so I'm not optimistic about NC but at least the senate race should be somewhat close depending on who the dems put up.
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The 15% threshold is by district, right? If thats the case they should get some if theyre close to 15.

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red sox 777 posted...

Trump complaining on Twitter about the Roger Stone verdict.

Hey, Mr. President, if you think the outcome is unfair you have this thing called the pardon power....

btw, i love that his defense is literally: "well, other people have lied too! why aren't they going to jail too? huh?!? CHECKMATE LEFTISTS!"

spoilers: 100% of people have lied. we should all go to jail! this is literally the dumbest tu quoque argument i've ever seen.
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Sort of yes. A good chunk are awarded by statewide vote while the rest go by the individual districts.

I could be wrong but I think it would require someone to outright win the district to get their delegate though, right? If Warren/Sanders are getting more than doubled than Biden statewide, I would think they would only win maybe one or two districts if I'm being generous.

Edit: Ok so a quick google search shows each Texas district had three delegates in 2016 and delegates are awarded proportionally by result in the district. So If Warren gets like 20% in one while Biden gets 40% she wouldn't be completely shut out. That's a bit more reassuring at least!
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It is even more complicated than that apparently depending on the state I think:

http://interactives.dallasnews.com/2016/texas-delegates/
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Sort of yes. A good chunk are awarded by statewide vote while the rest go by the individual districts.

I could be wrong but I think it would require someone to outright win the district to get their delegate though, right? If Warren/Sanders are getting more than doubled than Biden statewide, I would think they would only win maybe one or two districts if I'm being generous.

Edit: Ok so a quick google search shows each Texas district had three delegates in 2016. So If Warren gets like 20% in one while Biden gets 40% she wouldn't be completely shut out. That's a bit more reassuring at least!

Think you're wrong.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/15-percent-is-not-a-magic-number-for-primary-delegates/

tl;dr in bulletpoint form:

-There are state-level delegates and district*-level delegates
*Really it's more like state-level and "other." Most states use congressional district but some use county or state legislature districts as their lower-level division.

-538 says about 35% of the delegates are state-level.

-If you fail to reach 15% state-wide you can't get any state-wide delegates but if you reached 15% in a district you get some delegates from there.

-Conversely, even if you break 15% state-wide you could possibly miss some district-level delegates if you failed to break 15% in a particular district.

To Suprak's point specifically, there's a thought-experiment in the article where they have Biden getting 14% state-wide and note that while he wouldn't get any state-level delegates, with 14% state-wide you'd expect him to break 15% in like 40% of the districts and so he'd pick up some district-level delegates. This wouldn't work if there was only a single delegate per district.
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Yeah the second link I provide breaks it down a bit more. I still think if youre not at 15% overall at the state you arent getting many delegates but you shouldnt be completely shut out at least.
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Well, yeah. That 538 article has a graph plotting roughly what you'd expect to see in delegates with the thresholds vs. if everything was just apportioned out with no such thresholds.

At around 10% state-wide you see it rise off 0 but it stays pretty low until the big jump at 15% when the state-level kick in, but it still below the no-threshold line and doesn't really catch up until about 20% because of the expected losses at district-level.
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Mayor Pete, Tim Delaney, Joe Biden, Kamala

I would literally take a centrist democrat over Tulsi, who uses her more independent leanings to pander to right-wing interests harder while insisting the system is corrupt. None of them stand for anything except Tulsi is also a professional contrarian.

I'd probably take her over Delaney, the other billionaires and businessmen buying their way in, and the rest of the literally whos though so I'll concede that too.

If it was Tulsi vs Biden, I would hold my nose and vote for Tulsi
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Heres my thought process: yes she panders to the right wing. But when it comes time to vote she doesnt work with them.

Biden thinks he can work with them, and IMO is a much easier target for the right to take down.
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I'm just worried because recently she has been touting how much we need to work with them.
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I take Biden/Harris/Buttigieg/Delaney over Gabbard and without a second thought or hesitation. I think you'd need to go all the way down to Williamson to get me to switch. And even then I think I would have to take a second!
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LOL Trump is trying to say that using his tweets against him is a violation of his Freedom of Speech
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xp1337 posted...

I take Biden/Harris/Buttigieg/Delaney over Gabbard and without a second thought or hesitation. I think you'd need to go all the way down to Williamson to get me to switch. And even then I think I would have to take a second!

Yeah but which Delaney?
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Jakyl25 posted...

LOL Trump is trying to say that using his tweets against him is a violation of his Freedom of Speech

If you're going to charge him with witness intimidation or whatever based on them, then yes, that does violate his freedom of speech rights.
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Also Id take Williamson over Biden or Gabbard
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red sox 777 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

LOL Trump is trying to say that using his tweets against him is a violation of his Freedom of Speech

If you're going to charge him with witness intimidation or whatever based on them, then yes, that does violate his freedom of speech rights.

Even if its an impeachment charge and not a criminal charge?
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Kind of the same principle as the theory that the President cant plead the 5th because he cant be criminally charged, and thus cant incriminate himself
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I'll take Williamson over most of the Democratic field too. She might not know too much about policy but as long as Mitch McConnell is Senate Majority Leader she'll get fantastic advice on that.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also Id take Williamson over Biden or Gabbard

wut?

this is crazier than most of the shit red sox has posted!

edit: oh nevermind >_>
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Jakyl25 posted...

red sox 777 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

LOL Trump is trying to say that using his tweets against him is a violation of his Freedom of Speech

If you're going to charge him with witness intimidation or whatever based on them, then yes, that does violate his freedom of speech rights.

Even if its an impeachment charge and not a criminal charge?

Well, impeachment is not a law, so "Congress shall make no law...." does not apply. But Congress could impeach Trump for having a mother who was born in Scotland if they wanted. The Democrats are trying to say that they aren't just making a power grab, and are likening Trump's actions to crimes. So it seems like they should need to comply with the usual rules regarding crimes.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Also Id take Williamson over Biden or Gabbard

wut?

this is crazier than most of the shit red sox has posted!

edit: oh nevermind >_>

Its kind of the same principle as to why I still prefer Trump over Ted Cruz
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