Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 248: a Perfect impeachment hearing

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Its not fascinating because the answer is very obviously no

But "did the CIA implant alien technology into Epstein in order to make him crash the auto market through lizard people brainwaves" is a fascinating question, don't you think?

Why are only the craziest, fringiest of crazy fringe commentators covering this? Cover up?
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Jeffrey Epstein is clearly a decoy designed us to stop focusing on the real nexus of the grand conspiracy - Hillary Clinton! Isn't it fascinating how Hillary rigged the 2016 elections so that we would elect Trump? Probably she'll get Trump to declare himself dictator for life to normalize the country to the idea, then she'll overthrow him and unveil that her Russian scientists have discovered the secret to immortality, allowing her to be Queen of the US forever.
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No, it's unremarkable because the way the market was, any number of billionaires could have "triggered" the crash by being the first to sell.

But how many actually did?

And how many are already reasonably suspected of being assets of intelligence agencies for entirely separate reasons?
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A bunch of people and institutions were reckless, creating an instability in the economy that collapsed? No, too simple! Obviously a single pedophile billionaire did it deliberately because of the CIA for... some reason...

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SmartMuffin posted...

No, it's unremarkable because the way the market was, any number of billionaires could have "triggered" the crash by being the first to sell.

But how many actually did?

And how many are already reasonably suspected of being assets of intelligence agencies for entirely separate reasons?

Very likely many of them did. Maybe most of them. In fact, I would bet that the average billionaire sells an investment of $57 million or more pretty frequently. But investments in funds are usually highly confidential, so that would not get published. Most likely, the information about Epstein selling came out precisely because he was famous for other reasons. If he wasn't notorious for other reasons, no one would have thought it was interesting that some random billionaire withdrew an investment of $57 million from a big fund.
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In other "the media's priorities are completely and utterly indefensible" news... the lead story on ESPN.com for most of the day today was.... Kaepernick.

This following a regular season weekend in the NFL and college football. And the NBA and the NHL. And an ongoing scandal involving cheating in the world series. And the end of the NASCAR season.

Nope, none of those things are at all important to sports fans. Clearly what they really want to hear about is how some activist loser who hasn't played a sport in five years managed to trick the NFL into giving him free publicity for his Nike commercial. That's what's really important, here!
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And you know, there's a long history of people blaming individual rich people for correctly selling at the beginning of market crashes. There's documented reports of rich investors on the bear side of the 1929 crash getting death threats from members of the public who blamed the crash on them exercising the good judgment to sell their stock when they believed the stock prices were too high.

People would rather entertain conspiracy theories about how the market is rigged than accept that they made a mistake in waiting too long to sell!
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Re Biden and pot:

https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1196557467578183681?s=21

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Oh, and here's more MSM gloating about how changing Demographics will utterly doom the Republican party.

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1196458812389109761

But if anyone on the right says that, their only possible motive is vile racism. No possible reason they might find these facts interesting other than secret Hitler-worship.
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Changing demos wont doom the GOP if they adjust their policy to be less overtly racist. Thats how a two party system works: if the sizes of the current coalitions shift such that only one party is viable, the minority party will shift their positions to become viable again.

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SmartMuffin posted...

Oh, and here's more MSM gloating about how changing Demographics will utterly doom the Republican party.

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1196458812389109761

But if anyone on the right says that, their only possible motive is vile racism. No possible reason they might find these facts interesting other than secret Hitler-worship.

Muffin, fortunately the MSM has no idea how much this type of article damages their own cause. Maybe changing demographics are helping the Democrats....but it's more than offset by all the people who are convinced to anti-vote them after reading this type of article.
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SmartMuffin posted...

In other "the media's priorities are completely and utterly indefensible" news... the lead story on ESPN.com for most of the day today was.... Kaepernick.

This following a regular season weekend in the NFL and college football. And the NBA and the NHL. And an ongoing scandal involving cheating in the world series. And the end of the NASCAR season.

Nope, none of those things are at all important to sports fans. Clearly what they really want to hear about is how some activist loser who hasn't played a sport in five years managed to trick the NFL into giving him free publicity for his Nike commercial. That's what's really important, here!

Spoilers: Nothing interesting happened over the weekend.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Changing demos wont doom the GOP if they adjust their policy to be less overtly racist. Thats how a two party system works: if the sizes of the current coalitions shift such that only one party is viable, the minority party will shift their positions to become viable again.

Ah yes, the McCain/Romney strategy. Which was so successful compared to the massive failure of Trump calling them rapists.

(in case you forgot, Trump did better among most minority groups than Romney did)
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SmartMuffin posted...

Oh, and here's more MSM gloating about how changing Demographics will utterly doom the Republican party.

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1196458812389109761

But if anyone on the right says that, their only possible motive is vile racism. No possible reason they might find these facts interesting other than secret Hitler-worship.

Maybe dont try to work within a democracy if the only way you can win is by excluding people
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yeah that's the insanity of it all, conservative immigrants aren't some sort of unicorn rarity, it's just that Republicans work overtime on demonizing them
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Put it this way. We need to distinguish between genuinely unusual events and common events. An example of a genuinely unusual event is a person who zero investment experience and zero experience in the cattle industry turning a 10,000% gain in 6 months by day trading cattle futures, and then never investing in cattle futures again. And when we find that this person was the wife of someone who was AG of Arkansas, then governor of Arkansas, and then President of the United States, our sense that something unethical has happened is strengthened.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Ah yes, the McCain/Romney strategy. Which was so successful compared to the massive failure of Trump calling them rapists.

(in case you forgot, Trump did better among most minority groups than Romney did)

Romney probably would have beaten Hillary to be fair
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Spoilers: Nothing interesting happened over the weekend.

Nothing interesting happened at Kaepernick's fake workout either. Like, even if you believe his story is interesting in the general sense, little to nothing was accomplished that advanced it this weekend in any meaningful way.

In any case, you're wrong. The NFL was fairly boiler plate, but college football literally saw it's most well known and dynamic player suffer a probably career-ending (well, for college) injury that dramatically shifts the playoff landscape. Also one of the most glamorous programs literally came back from 20+ points down in the second half to save their own playoff hopes against an undefeated cinderella team. That's not interesting to you?

Plenty of interesting stuff happened in the NHL, but ESPN doesn't have the rights so they don't care. I don't follow the NBA so I can't comment on it, someone else can fill me in.
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Maybe dont try to work within a democracy if the only way you can win is by excluding people

Which Democratic countries around the world currently have open borders?
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Conservative immigrants tend to vote Republican. Why you ask? Because they're conservative!

Spoilers: Conservative immigrants are largely not turned off by GOP rhetoric and they won't be. Romney's spiel about writing off 47% of the country was much more offensive.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Maybe dont try to work within a democracy if the only way you can win is by excluding people

Which Democratic countries around the world currently have open borders?

Probably none? Every country sucks, dude
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conservative immigrants aren't some sort of unicorn rarity

yes they are

people think that just because some immigrants have a small handful of conservative social values it means they can be persuaded to vote Republican

but immigrants also have very far left economic values

immigrants agree with democrats on literally everything except the gay stuff
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SmartMuffin posted...

Spoilers: Nothing interesting happened over the weekend.

Nothing interesting happened at Kaepernick's fake workout either. Like, even if you believe his story is interesting in the general sense, little to nothing was accomplished that advanced it this weekend in any meaningful way.

In any case, you're wrong. The NFL was fairly boiler plate, but college football literally saw it's most well known and dynamic player suffer a probably career-ending (well, for college) injury that dramatically shifts the playoff landscape. Also one of the most glamorous programs literally came back from 20+ points down in the second half to save their own playoff hopes against an undefeated cinderella team. That's not interesting to you?

Plenty of interesting stuff happened in the NHL, but ESPN doesn't have the rights so they don't care. I don't follow the NBA so I can't comment on it, someone else can fill me in.

ESPN is like all NFL all the time. If they do cover something else, like baseball, they would prefer to harp on and on about the history of the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry to actually covering a small market team.
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Also I know it's a long shot, but *IF* the Astros end up getting stripped of the World Series, that would qualify as the single biggest scandal to hit baseball literally since prohibition.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Spoilers: Nothing interesting happened over the weekend.

Nothing interesting happened at Kaepernick's fake workout either. Like, even if you believe his story is interesting in the general sense, little to nothing was accomplished that advanced it this weekend in any meaningful way.

In any case, you're wrong. The NFL was fairly boiler plate, but college football literally saw it's most well known and dynamic player suffer a probably career-ending (well, for college) injury that dramatically shifts the playoff landscape. Also one of the most glamorous programs literally came back from 20+ points down in the second half to save their own playoff hopes against an undefeated cinderella team. That's not interesting to you?

Plenty of interesting stuff happened in the NHL, but ESPN doesn't have the rights so they don't care. I don't follow the NBA so I can't comment on it, someone else can fill me in.

Also uh the top story for the past several hours has been about Tua Tagovailoa

Kaepernick has been the top NFL story. You know, in the NFL section.

Because the homepage is in sections.
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SmartMuffin posted...

But if anyone on the right says that, their only possible motive is vile racism.

LordoftheMorons posted...

Changing demos wont doom the GOP if they adjust their policy to be less overtly racist.

SmartMuffin posted...

Ah yes, the McCain/Romney strategy. Which was so successful compared to the massive failure of Trump calling them rapists.

*complains that people call Republicans racist if they dont like immigration*
*admits the winning Republican strategy is to be racist*
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who could've guessed that smuffin has literally never conversed with an immigrant in his life
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Muffin, plenty of immigrants and their children vote Republican. It does help to have someone like Trump who actually asks for your vote, rather than someone like Mittens or HRC who writes you off as deplorable and irredeemable.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Maybe dont try to work within a democracy if the only way you can win is by excluding people

This is literally the current GOP strategy. See also: voter suppression.
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isn't it the alt-right's position that there's not much difference between the democrats and the republicans and they're both deep state shit parties (with trump being the shining exception to the rule)? kinda weird to see muffin go all "THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES IS SO HUGE AND MEANINGFUL." (i mean, i don't actually think it's weird but it is quite inconsistent.)
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

isn't it the alt-right's position that there's not much difference between the democrats and the republicans and they're both deep state shit parties (with trump being the shining exception to the rule)? kinda weird to see muffin go all "THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES IS SO HUGE AND MEANINGFUL." (i mean, i don't actually think it's weird but it is quite inconsistent.)

Yes but the alt-right is also past Trump at this point. They realize hes better than the Dems for them, but not the savior
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SmartMuffin posted...

(in case you forgot, Trump did better among most minority groups than Romney did)

trump did better among minority groups than romney, yet every immigrant voted for hillary because they all love the dems and hate the repubs, right?

what the hell are you even arguing?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Yes but the alt-right is also past Trump at this point. They realize hes better than the Dems for them, but not the savior

i wonder if muffin has thrown his MAGA hat in the trash yet
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I think hes pro-Tulsi??
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well, he also said tulsi is a communist. i'm sure he still prefers trump.
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The funny part is that Trump is doing less to curb illegal immigration than Obama (less deportations, for example), but he uses way harsher language to convince people he's better/worse. Goes to show you how stupid and surface level both sides are.
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Obama didnt do shit like systemic family separations

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Obama didnt do shit like systemic family separations

Yes he literally did

He also ultimately deported more people
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Obama didnt do shit like systemic family separations

Yeah but to be fair, that doesnt curb immigration! Its just cruelty for crueltys sake
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Obama didnt do shit like systemic family separations

Yes he literally did

He also ultimately deported more people

How are you measuring this? Its 8 years vs 3

Not defending Obama, just wondering what the stats are. Whats Trumps Deportations Above Replacement
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Yes but the alt-right is also past Trump at this point. They realize hes better than the Dems for them, but not the savior

i wonder if muffin has thrown his MAGA hat in the trash yet

I actually just read a good summation of this in an article about how the fringe right is shifting from the alt-right to accelerationism

Trump, despite all his vicious rhetoric and anti-immigrant policies, had failed to stop what white supremacists see as the existential threat to America: the countrys long-term movement toward becoming a majority-minority country. The alt-rights theory of change through elections lost favor with others on the white supremacist fringe.

From 2015, when Trump announced and attacked Mexicans that first day, through around Charlottesville, these people really thought they were going to be victorious in the electoral [process] and be able to take a peaceful route back to power, says Heidi Beirich, the director of the Southern Poverty Law Centers Intelligence Project. That has been completely given up on.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Re Biden and pot:

https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1196557467578183681?s=21

Still too far right tbqh. Fuck leaving this up to states. Biden remains a boomer.

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God Nate Silver is such a tool
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Jakyl25 posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Obama didnt do shit like systemic family separations

Yeah but to be fair, that doesnt curb immigration! Its just cruelty for crueltys sake

It's a deterrent, like the death penalty is supposed to be. But probably much more effective.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Mr Lasastryke posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Yes but the alt-right is also past Trump at this point. They realize hes better than the Dems for them, but not the savior

i wonder if muffin has thrown his MAGA hat in the trash yet

I actually just read a good summation of this in an article about how the fringe right is shifting from the alt-right to accelerationism

Trump, despite all his vicious rhetoric and anti-immigrant policies, had failed to stop what white supremacists see as the existential threat to America: the countrys long-term movement toward becoming a majority-minority country. The alt-rights theory of change through elections lost favor with others on the white supremacist fringe.

From 2015, when Trump announced and attacked Mexicans that first day, through around Charlottesville, these people really thought they were going to be victorious in the electoral [process] and be able to take a peaceful route back to power, says Heidi Beirich, the director of the Southern Poverty Law Centers Intelligence Project. That has been completely given up on.

I mean, they aren't the smartest people. They should really sit back and let Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell, who are political geniuses, take care of this for them.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Yes he literally did

He also ultimately deported more people

No, under Obama families were only rarely separated:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/politics/fact-check-trump-family-separation.html

Trump started doing it for all families. Sessions explicitly stated that they were changing the policy to act as a deterrent!

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Yes he literally did

He also ultimately deported more people

No, under Obama families were only rarely separated:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/politics/fact-check-trump-family-separation.html

Trump started doing it for all families. Sessions explicitly stated that they were changing the policy to act as a deterrent!

I didn't say Obama did it more often. But he certainly did it.
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Nate never fails to Nate
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https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1196603644667453440

"Nope, not at all, doesn't give a shit about Ukraine"

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28110798/lakers-bring-dave-chappelle-peek-greatness

bigger deal than Kapernick

shocked they'd associate themselves with someone so unwoke!
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