Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 251: Cop Out

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Peace___Frog
12/09/19 12:11:40 PM
#453:


xp1337 posted...
Unnamed Executive with U.S. Agency for International Development
We lost objectivity. We were given money, told to spend it and we did, without reason.

Hopefully this sort of realization will help us push towards less absurd funding of the military?
Haha who am i kidding

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xp1337
12/09/19 1:05:55 PM
#454:


DOJ IG report out and concludes the top FBI officials (including Comey, McCabe, Strzok) running the 2016 Russia investigation involving the Trump campaign were not tainted by political bias and they had information sufficient to satisfy the threshold needed to investigate Trump associates in 2016.

deep state exonerated

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TheRock1525
12/09/19 1:08:11 PM
#455:


I wonder if Trump will keep touting this now that it makes him look like a fool.

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red sox 777
12/09/19 1:09:12 PM
#456:


So when does the investigation of the Inspector General start?

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red sox 777
12/09/19 1:11:51 PM
#457:


Alternately, how about convening a grand jury in say, the Texas Panhandle and turn the political investigations over to them, without a prosecutor spoonfeeding them info? Encourage them to issue subpoenas and get their own evidence. If they indict Trump related people, bring them to trial; if they indict Hillary, bring her to trial. If they return no true bills, don't indict anyone.

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xp1337
12/09/19 1:17:05 PM
#458:


TheRock1525 posted...
I wonder if Trump will keep touting this now that it makes him look like a fool.
They'll cling to the instances of wrong-doing that were found, including some stuff around the ~FISA Warrant~ performed by a low-level FBI lawyer.

or maybe they'll just call the IG part of the deep state too who knows

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LordoftheMorons
12/09/19 1:24:44 PM
#459:


https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1204041601250734089?s=21

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red sox 777
12/09/19 1:25:58 PM
#460:


Nadler says that in his opinion if they presented their case to a jury, the jury would take about 3 minutes to convict. I mean, 3 minutes might be right - but the vote will be for acquittal when this case is presented to the jury that will hear it!

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xp1337
12/09/19 1:27:32 PM
#461:


speaking of that hearing

"fun" moment where castor (you will recall him as the GOP counsel during the Intel Committee hearings, he's at Judiciary now as a witness) was asked if Biden was a potential top contender for being Trump's 2020 opponent and disagreed lol.

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LordoftheMorons
12/09/19 1:41:47 PM
#462:


Anyone know who the witness being referred to here was?

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1204056111709655040?s=21

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pyresword
12/09/19 1:45:26 PM
#463:


TheRock1525 posted...
I wonder if Trump will keep touting this now that it makes him look like a fool.

He will because he'll just lie to his supporters and they will believe him, the same as he's been doing for his entire presidency.

edit: Woops got confused with a double negative or something like that. Post is now corrected.
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xp1337
12/09/19 1:46:50 PM
#464:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Anyone know who the witness being referred to here was?

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1204056111709655040?s=21
Barry Berke, House Judiciary Majority Counsel (tweet calls him Judiciary chairman one tweet earlier in the thread but that's obviously a typo):

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1204053631395336196

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red sox 777
12/09/19 2:05:23 PM
#465:


Regarding the Afghanistan report......I'm glad at least the government knew things were going badly. Everyone without blinders on knew that already.

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LordoftheMorons
12/09/19 3:10:11 PM
#466:


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/supreme-court-upholds-kentucky-abortion-law-mandating-ultrasounds-n1098181

Fucking awful

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Jakyl25
12/09/19 3:14:52 PM
#467:


From what I understand, they didnt even hear the case because it was argued from a free speech perspective instead of a medical need perspective
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Jakyl25
12/09/19 3:16:20 PM
#468:


Honestly its much more fucking concerning that the entire state of Kentucky only has ONE abortion clinic
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LordoftheMorons
12/09/19 3:29:43 PM
#469:


It should have been struck down on free speech grounds. The law compels medically unnecessary speech from doctors.

Alt-right House candidate arrested for stalking:
https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1204132777924411392?s=21

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Reg
12/09/19 3:52:48 PM
#470:


LordoftheMorons posted...
It should have been struck down on free speech grounds. The law compels medically unnecessary speech from doctors.

Alt-right House candidate arrested for stalking:
https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1204132777924411392?s=21
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Jakyl25
12/09/19 3:55:42 PM
#471:


Next they will force doctors giving vaccines to present the hardships that come with raising an autistic child first
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ChaosTonyV4
12/09/19 4:04:57 PM
#472:


https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/1203541125979467781

why did he say this

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HashtagSEP
12/09/19 4:14:01 PM
#473:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/1203541125979467781

why did he say this

Are you asking what lead to him saying it, or "why" as in the message?

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SgtSphynx
12/09/19 4:22:07 PM
#474:


HashtagSEP posted...
Are you asking what lead to him saying it, or "why" as in the message?
I'd like to know the answer to both

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Suprak the Stud
12/09/19 4:23:53 PM
#475:


"It's time for us to toss the salad." - David Hogg 2020

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red sox 777
12/09/19 4:39:19 PM
#476:


So for those who disagree with this decision, how would you feel about a teacher being ordered to teach evolution to her students? Doesn't she have the right to refuse to speak?

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HashtagSEP
12/09/19 4:40:57 PM
#477:


I'm assuming he means "toss" as in "mix," like tossed salad. Not "toss" as in get rid of.

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ChaosTonyV4
12/09/19 4:59:56 PM
#478:


SEP google "tossing salad"

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StealThisSheen
12/09/19 5:38:28 PM
#479:


Oh, sorry I went too adult when I read it my bad

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Maniac64
12/09/19 5:38:54 PM
#480:


red sox 777 posted...
So for those who disagree with this decision, how would you feel about a teacher being ordered to teach evolution to her students? Doesn't she have the right to refuse to speak?
Not if that is the school's curriculum. She has the right to tell students she disagrees but she still has to teach the curriculum.

If she feels she cant do that then she shouldn't be teaching the class.

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red sox 777
12/09/19 5:48:00 PM
#481:


Maniac64 posted...
Not if that is the school's curriculum. She has the right to tell students she disagrees but she still has to teach the curriculum.

If she feels she cant do that then she shouldn't be teaching the class.

And this is the state of Kentucky's prescribed course of medicine.

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LordoftheMorons
12/09/19 6:24:02 PM
#482:


https://twitter.com/sam_vinograd/status/1204156216479498248

Trump's bringing fucking Sergey Lavrov back to the White House

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Machete
12/09/19 6:24:06 PM
#483:


XIII_rocks posted...
Also Jo Swinson literally would rather get in bed with the Tories again

Her party's Brexit platform is an immediate revoke of Article 50 and Labour's is a 2nd referendum on a soft Brexit vs. Remain, while the Tory deal is harder and could lead to essentially a No Deal in 2020.

Fucking stupid party.


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DoomTheGyarados
12/09/19 6:27:50 PM
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LordoftheMorons
12/09/19 6:40:24 PM
#485:


The state of Kentucky doesn't run the hospitals. There's a difference between requiring state employees to do something as part of their job's duties and compelling speech from non-state employees under penalty of law (see, e.g., Kim Davis).

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red sox 777
12/09/19 6:54:10 PM
#486:


The State of Kentucky has an interest in making sure its residents receive good healthcare. And that includes receiving enough information to make an informed decision for a choice they will never be able to undo.

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Jakyl25
12/09/19 8:01:20 PM
#487:


red sox 777 posted...


And this is the state of Kentucky's prescribed course of medicine.


So youre saying the Doctor can tell the person getting an abortion look, Im legally obligated to show you all this but its bullshit?

If thats accurate, I would compromise and make them do that if it meant opening more clinics.

But it doesnt
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Jakyl25
12/09/19 8:02:19 PM
#488:


red sox 777 posted...
The State of Kentucky has an interest in making sure its residents receive good healthcare. And that includes receiving enough information to make an informed decision for a choice they will never be able to undo.


You can undo an abortion! Just get pregnant with the same partner again.
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LordoftheMorons
12/09/19 9:29:19 PM
#489:


Only two??

https://twitter.com/rachaelmbade/status/1204218433971347456?s=21

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LordoftheMorons
12/09/19 9:41:24 PM
#490:


Also, Kevin McCarthy is now claiming that theres a precedent against impeaching a president before their second term

Points for creativity, I guess

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HeroDelTiempo17
12/09/19 9:58:55 PM
#491:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Only two??

https://twitter.com/rachaelmbade/status/1204218433971347456?s=21

Very disappointing, but not surprising if that's really all they're going for. It's in line with everything Pelosi has been doing. It just seems like a no-brainer to me to not also throw in emoluments and abusing the office for personal gain, and it would also be great to see one for him just generally being racist garbage (shoutouts to Al Green).

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LordoftheMorons
12/09/19 10:10:36 PM
#492:


It sounds like the Dems are going to pass renegotiated NAFTA for some reason??

Why on earth would they do that
It
a) is giving Trump a win
b) does very little, and to the extent that it does do anything it's probably marginally bad

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ChaosTonyV4
12/09/19 10:14:34 PM
#493:


The Democratic Party is generally very stupid.

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DoomTheGyarados
12/09/19 10:17:47 PM
#494:


LotM is the same guy who baselessly smears Corbyn though so *shrugs*

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Jakyl25
12/09/19 10:22:17 PM
#495:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Also, Kevin McCarthy is now claiming that theres a precedent against impeaching a president before their second term

Points for creativity, I guess


You cant impeach a President on a Tuesday! Respect tradition!
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Jakyl25
12/09/19 10:25:15 PM
#496:


Damn only 2 articles totally kills my next topic title

It was gonna be a play on Trumps love of the Constitution Im for Article I, Article II, Article XII...
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SmartMuffin
12/09/19 10:27:19 PM
#497:


https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/09/tech/amazon-pentagon-trump-bezos/index.html

They should wait and add this one. It's gonna be a big hit with the voters. The only thing rust-belt workers care about more than the Ukranian military's god-given right to US tax dollars is Amazon's god-given right to fat DoD contracts. How <i>dare</i> Trump interfere!

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xp1337
12/09/19 10:28:25 PM
#498:


I'm guessing only those two articles of impeachment is because they think adding in all the other (justified) things would play worse to the public rather than keeping a narrow focus on what is the simplest story/idea to sell to the public. And that adding in emoluments, etc. would just overhwelm the pathetically small attention span of most people in general and/or it'd be easy for the Republicans to counter-sell to people "oh look they're just throwing everything at the wall WITCH HUNT" idk

Like I think I disagree with this approach but whatever, not crazy bothered by it. The USMCA thing is like really dumb though.

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xp1337
12/09/19 10:30:11 PM
#499:


Jakyl25 posted...
Damn only 2 articles totally kills my next topic title

It was gonna be a play on Trumps love of the Constitution Im for Article I, Article II, Article XII...
"there's this thing called article ii. it lets me do anything"

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Peace___Frog
12/09/19 10:31:32 PM
#500:


xp1337 posted...
I'm guessing only those two articles of impeachment is because they think adding in all the other (justified) things would play worse to the public rather than keeping a narrow focus on what is the simplest story/idea to sell to the public. And that adding in emoluments, etc. would just overhwelm the pathetically small attention span of most people in general and/or it'd be easy for the Republicans to counter-sell to people "oh look they're just throwing everything at the wall WITCH HUNT" idk

Like I think I disagree with this approach but whatever, not crazy bothered by it. The USMCA thing is like really dumb though.
This is still an easy line of attack from Republicans, though:
"All that work on a witch hunt and they could only come up with two things? Two is practically zero!"

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