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Jakyl25
12/03/19 2:22:20 PM
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Good bye and good riddance
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Nelson_Mandela
12/03/19 2:26:12 PM
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Harris could be a strong candidate 8 or so years down the road. Clearly wasn't prepared for the level of organization needed for a presidential campaign.


I strongly disagree. I think that this campaign exposed Harris as completely untenable for the Democrats (due to some borderline abusive behavior as AG) and Republicans (due to her monstrous desire to act like an autocrat)--and to independents, who were able to see her as the slimy, conniving politician that she is.

She'll be a senator for the next 30 years and she should be happy about that.
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Corrik7
12/03/19 2:29:49 PM
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Pretty sure the weed thing killed her.

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Jakyl25
12/03/19 2:31:20 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
Pretty sure the weed thing killed her.


Ok Jeff Sessions
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Corrik7
12/03/19 2:31:25 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/19/politics/syrian-refugee-arrested-isis-attack/index.html

Let them all in

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Corrik7
12/03/19 2:32:02 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Ok Jeff Sessions
Why wouldn't it have? She tried to act like she smoked weed to be cool in the dumbest way possible while also having a record of sending people to jail for the same infractions repeatedly.

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Jakyl25
12/03/19 2:32:28 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/19/politics/syrian-refugee-arrested-isis-attack/index.html

Let them all in


Is that really the argument youre going to use against refugees?
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xp1337
12/03/19 2:32:56 PM
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Rest of the field with no hope needs to take a lesson from her (and Beto) and also drop out immediately.

but hey we might finally get a debate with less than 10 people now

As for Harris, I think her campaign just wasn't ready for this. She had the ability to generate a "moment" and gain momentum as seen with the first debate vs Biden but then... she just disappeared for all intents and purposes and the polling surge that accompanied just vanished with her and she never recovered. She could definitely be back in a future cycle if she gets better campaign people.
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Corrik7
12/03/19 2:33:40 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Is that really the argument youre going to use against refugees?




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Jakyl25
12/03/19 2:33:55 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Ok Jeff Sessions
Why wouldn't it have? She tried to act like she smoked weed to be cool in the dumbest way possible while also having a record of sending people to jail for the same infractions repeatedly.


It was a joke based purely on the content of your sentence, which I found humorous because of the (lack of) connection between weed killing anyone.

You can tell when Trump is joking but not me I guess
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Corrik7
12/03/19 2:34:35 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
It was a joke based purely on the content of your sentence, which I found humorous because of the (lack of) connection between weed killing anyone.

You can tell when Trump is joking but not me I guess
No I don't get the joke actually.

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Forceful_Dragon
12/03/19 2:35:43 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/19/politics/syrian-refugee-arrested-isis-attack/index.html

Let them all in


Is that really the argument youre going to use against refugees?


Yeah because the emotional appeal of racism and xenophobia is more important than the facts about crime rates among immigrants and refugees.
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Suprak the Stud
12/03/19 2:37:34 PM
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"Weed (literally and not figuratively like you were saying) killed her"

Jeff Sessions thinks Reefer Madness was a documentary.
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Jakyl25
12/03/19 2:38:02 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
It was a joke based purely on the content of your sentence, which I found humorous because of the (lack of) connection between weed killing anyone.

You can tell when Trump is joking but not me I guess
No I don't get the joke actually.


Ok lets autopsy it

The weed thing killed her is ironically funny phrasing because weed doesnt kill people, but dorks like Jeff Sessions believe it to be dangerous, so it sounded like a line someone like him would say, out of context.
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Peace___Frog
12/03/19 2:39:02 PM
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Imagine if conservatives cared about crimes committed by those in the police force as much as they cared about crimes committed by people who don't look like them
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Jakyl25
12/03/19 2:39:54 PM
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I guess Ill never be as funny as Corriks grandma and her gay jokes
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LordoftheMorons
12/03/19 2:40:16 PM
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Never forget that the US literally turned back a boat of Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany in 1939

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Jakyl25
12/03/19 2:41:51 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Never forget that the US literally turned back a boat of Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany in 1939


This is a good callback to last topics mini debate about FDR
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TotallyNotMI
12/03/19 2:42:02 PM
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Tag

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red sox 777
12/03/19 2:45:18 PM
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FDR was probably the worst president ever. He created the modern federal government with all its bureaucracy and "career public servants."
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Jakyl25
12/03/19 2:45:28 PM
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I literally just saw this tweet so I want to be forthcoming that my topic title was workshopped completely independently from this pre-existing idea.

They came up with it first, but my work is not derivative

https://twitter.com/austin_walker/status/1201937571326156801?s=21
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Forceful_Dragon
12/03/19 2:46:35 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Never forget that the US literally turned back a boat of Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany in 1939


When I hear that it makes me think that we should strive to be less shitty than we were 80 years ago.

Not use that as a precedent for present day shittiness.
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red sox 777
12/03/19 2:47:06 PM
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I hope we will see less career prosecutors running for high office. Never understood why people kept voting for people whose whole careers are about locking people in cages.
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LordoftheMorons
12/03/19 2:48:05 PM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
When I hear that it makes me think that we should strive to be less shitty than we were 80 years ago.

Not use that as a precedent for present day shittiness.
To be clear I'm very much advocating the former!

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LordoftheMorons
12/03/19 2:48:43 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
I hope we will see less career prosecutors running for high office. Never understood why people kept voting for people whose whole careers are about locking people in cages.
Glad to hear you'll be voting against Trump in 2020!

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Corrik7
12/03/19 2:50:39 PM
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Suprak the Stud posted...
"Weed (literally and not figuratively like you were saying) killed her"

Jeff Sessions thinks Reefer Madness was a documentary.
Oh okay. Well, I don't know about the Jeff Sessions stuff besides he was anti-marijuana or something so that's probably why I didn't get it.

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xp1337
12/03/19 2:50:53 PM
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While the change in plea was noted in the last topic, I don't think it was explicitly noted that now the first two Republican Congressmen to endorse Trump have plead guilty to criminal charges.

crime recognizes crime
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Corrik7
12/03/19 2:52:52 PM
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Peace___Frog posted...
Imagine if conservatives cared about crimes committed by those in the police force as much as they cared about crimes committed by people who don't look like them
Imagine if people cared about the crimes of the people, who are not American citizens and we went out of our way to let in to grant them refuge in the nation, against the citizens of said nation.

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red sox 777
12/03/19 2:53:35 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
red sox 777 posted...
I hope we will see less career prosecutors running for high office. Never understood why people kept voting for people whose whole careers are about locking people in cages.
Glad to hear you'll be voting against Trump in 2020!


That started before Trump. And it wouldn't be necessary if we had an effective wall.
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LordoftheMorons
12/03/19 2:53:57 PM
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Records of phone calls between Lev and Devin:

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1201943168557686785

xp1337 posted...
While the change in plea was noted in the last topic, I don't think it was explicitly noted that now the first two Republican Congressmen to endorse Trump have plead guilty to criminal charges.

crime recognizes crime
And speaking of Sessions (the first Senator to endorse Trump), Trump raged at him for not killing the investigations into Hunter and Collins!

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red sox 777
12/03/19 2:56:17 PM
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I mean, the USA incarcerates its own citizens at the highest rate in the world. Worse than authoritarian regimes like North Korea and Saudi Arabia. Is it any surprise that we lock up illegal immigrants?

I suppose a PR campaign across Latin America describing how life in the US really is - including being locked in a cage - might be even better than a wall.
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HeroDelTiempo17
12/03/19 2:57:42 PM
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xp1337 posted...


As for Harris, I think her campaign just wasn't ready for this. She had the ability to generate a "moment" and gain momentum as seen with the first debate vs Biden but then... she just disappeared for all intents and purposes and the polling surge that accompanied just vanished with her and she never recovered. She could definitely be back in a future cycle if she gets better campaign people.


People keep saying that Warren and Buttigieg's core base includes a lot of semi-informed suburban middle class types that are indecisive and easily distracted and if that's true it also absolutely applies to Harris. Her whole campaign was centered around appealing to the middle class and they're just moved on to the other flavors of the month.

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LordoftheMorons
12/03/19 3:13:22 PM
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Rudy's phone calls from the day Yovanovitch was fired:

https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/1201950803990339586

Note OMB...!

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red sox 777
12/03/19 3:17:50 PM
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Sounds like highly illegal leaking happened.
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Peace___Frog
12/03/19 3:21:56 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Note OMB...!

Wow
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Ashethan
12/03/19 3:22:43 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/19/politics/syrian-refugee-arrested-isis-attack/index.html

Let them all in


A white man shot up a church in south Carolina. Maybe we should get rid of men?
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Ashethan
12/03/19 3:23:50 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
That started before Trump. And it wouldn't be necessary if we had an effective wall.


It's not necessary even without any vanity wall.
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Jakyl25
12/03/19 3:41:59 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
Well, I don't know about the Jeff Sessions stuff besides he was anti-marijuana or something so that's probably why I didn't get it.


Thats literally all you need to know about him to get the joke
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Nelson_Mandela
12/03/19 3:49:57 PM
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xp1337 posted...
Rest of the field with no hope needs to take a lesson from her (and Beto) and also drop out immediately.

but hey we might finally get a debate with less than 10 people now

Everyone except Biden, Bernie, and Warren (and maybe Pete) are vying for a VP spot or a 7 figure/year job on cable news.
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LordoftheMorons
12/03/19 3:51:33 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Everyone except Biden, Bernie, and Warren (and maybe Pete) are vying for a VP spot or a 7 figure/year job on cable news.
What about Bloomberg and Steyer?

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Nelson_Mandela
12/03/19 3:52:46 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Everyone except Biden, Bernie, and Warren (and maybe Pete) are vying for a VP spot or a 7 figure/year job on cable news.
What about Bloomberg and Steyer?

Oh damn I forgot about them. They're pure megalomania.
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Nelson_Mandela
12/03/19 3:53:34 PM
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Anyway, more about Harris sucking. Does anyone legitimately think her record makes her a "rising star" in the Democratic Party? Do you really think she is better off politically now than a year ago?
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xp1337
12/03/19 3:55:37 PM
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I mean, yes, the Top 4 are the only ones with any hope of a path forward. I man, I think Buttigieg's path is actually a dead end even with an IA win, but I'll readily admit I could be mistaken so even though I'd prefer he'd drop out too that's just my personal preference and he's "earned" a spot in a debate.

everyone else bye

a couple of months ago i could see some value to having more voices pushing/challenging ideas even if they had no chance in the long run but that time has long passed us. that was like a first two debates thing. not a "we're almost at iowa" thing.
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Reg
12/03/19 3:57:29 PM
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Peace___Frog posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Note OMB...!

Wow

Am I missing/forgetting something or is this a "there is literally no reason for Rudy to call OMB"?
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xp1337
12/03/19 3:58:31 PM
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Harris's standing probably hasn't moved much tbqhhh. I don't think this really hurts her that much. Honestly she might actually be slightly ahead simply from having had the opportunity to speak to a national audience for the duration of the campaign and the higher profile that comes with it.

but i'll go with "push" here
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Nelson_Mandela
12/03/19 3:58:41 PM
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Guessing Harris supporters will go with Warren, Booker (for the people voting based solely on her race), and Biden in that order. So a nice .5% bump for Liz.
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red sox 777
12/03/19 3:58:46 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Anyway, more about Harris sucking. Does anyone legitimately think her record makes her a "rising star" in the Democratic Party? Do you really think she is better off politically now than a year ago?


They have no rising stars. They are a moribund party clinging to their outdated ideas about bipartisanship and public service. A party that refuses to listen to a word the poor have to say while insisting that they represent them.
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LordoftheMorons
12/03/19 4:00:49 PM
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Reg posted...
Am I missing/forgetting something or is this a "there is literally no reason for Rudy to call OMB"?
Yeah. As far as I know we didnt know about OMB involvement this early in this whole scheme (they were, of course, involved with holding the aid). But this suggests that Mulvaney might have been in this from the start (since, as you note, theres really no legitimate reason for Giuliani to be talking to anyone there).

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LordoftheMorons
12/03/19 4:02:32 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Guessing Harris supporters will go with Warren, Booker (for the people voting based solely on her race), and Biden in that order. So a nice .5% bump for Liz.
https://twitter.com/kabir_here/status/1201939258031955969?s=21

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Nelson_Mandela
12/03/19 4:03:26 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Guessing Harris supporters will go with Warren, Booker (for the people voting based solely on her race), and Biden in that order. So a nice .5% bump for Liz.
https://twitter.com/kabir_here/status/1201939258031955969?s=21

Thanks! 2 out of 3.
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