Board 8 > Kobe Bryant has reportedly died in a helicopter crash.

(+) Yeah! (+)

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ninkendo posted...

let's say I wanted to see it

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WTF No!! :(

RIP LA Lakers legend
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https://twitter.com/Bosslogic/status/1221591761115500544?s=19

this death is hitting me harder than i would've thought.

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So sad that his daughter died as well, can't imagine how his wife and kids must feel right now.

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Grand Kirby posted...

I wonder if the Mr Peanut thing is going to change their ad now?

Seems in poor taste to parody celebrity deaths at the moment

some Q anon person on Twitter was suggesting that mr. peanuts death was actually an intentional foreshadowing of Kobe dying (by the deep state or something???)
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It's hard to go anywhere without behind reminded of this. Denmark has never cared about basketball a single bit and every place is talking about it.

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ctesjbuvf posted...

It's hard to go anywhere without behind reminded of this. Denmark has never cared about basketball a single bit and every place is talking about it.

Ripple Effect.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Really annoying to have to do this, but

1). This wasn't a "young girl" - it was a 19 year-old starfucker
2). The sex was almost certainly consensual
3). The case was dismissed because there was literally no evidence other than the accusation and was in all likelihood fabricated

So no, Kobe Bryant most likely was not a rapist.

i mean, even if he wasn't a rapist he still fucked a 19 year old girl while he was married. doesn't seem like he was a great person tbqh.

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Yeah, damn anyone for making a mistake in their life so they forever lose status as a 'good person'. We can't all be as perfect as you.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i mean, even if he wasn't a rapist he still fucked a 19 year old girl while he was married. doesn't seem like he was a great person tbqh.

Having sex with a legal age woman while married means you cheated. Nothing else. It isn't illegal, it isn't anything else besides having cheated.

I am not the biggest Kobe fan, but I don't think many are arguing that Kobe is a perfect man here either. He can have flaws and still be respected and celebrated as a person upon his death.

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v_charon posted...

Yeah, damn anyone for making a mistake in their life so they forever lose status as a 'good person'. We can't all be as perfect as you.

that's a needlessly aggressive response

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

that's a needlessly aggressive response

Is it though? You basically come off as holier than thou virtue signalling in regards to someone who just passed away that was an idol to many.

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being someone who passed away that was an idol to many doesn't make you immune from criticism.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

being someone who passed away that was an idol to many doesn't make you immune from criticism.

Acting like someone can't be a great person because they could have made a mistake in their life makes you ripe for criticism.

"Oh hey, you know Kobe might not have been a great person because he cheated on his wife before!"

It's a holier than thou stance. You have never been in his position before to honestly prove how you would act in it. Kobe probably had thousands of the hottest women in the world throwing themselves at him over his status. Did he fuck up once? Did he fuck up thousands of times? Did he do the right thing every time and have a moment of weakness? I mean, who really the fuck knows. But, who knows what you would have done in that scenario either.

Kobe probably wasn't a saint, but hardly seems like going hey Kobe wasn't perfect in regards to his death is gonna not come off as holier than thou either.

You can do it if you want. It's your choice. But, I wouldn't be acting like criticism in return as being harsh should be unexpected.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

This is a fair mentality but the old adage of say nothing if you have nothing nice to say applies. This is not the topic to discuss a 15 year old legal thing.

I absolutely agree.

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During the preliminary hearing, Detective Winters testified that the accuser had been examined the day after the alleged assault by Sexual Assault Nurse Examiners (SANE) at the Valley View Hospital in Glenwood Springs, Colorado.
[The nurse] stated that there were several lacerations to the victims posterior fourchette or vaginal area, and two of those lacerations were approximately one centimeter in length, testified Det. Winters. And there were many, I believe, 2 millimeter lacerations. Too many to count [The nurse] stated that the injuries were consistent with penetrating genital trauma. That its not consistent with consensual sex.
Detective Winters further stated that the nurse told him the vaginal injuries had most likely occurred within 24 hours, and that the accuser had a small bruise on her left jaw line. Also, that examiners had found blood excretions on Bryants T-shirt to about the waistline. The blood, testified Det. Winters, had the same DNA profile as the victim in this case.

There's a pretty good chance he raped her. Not to mention his confession before the Civil case and ultimately his decision to settle.

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i love all the people going "OMG THIS IS NOT THE TOPIC TO CRITICIZE KOBE." topics on board 8 go off the rails all the goddamn time but god forbid this happens in a topic about a dude who was good at playing basketball passing away.

also worth noting that when george h.w. bush had just died, i criticized him FAR more harsly than i just criticized kobe and hardly anyone gave a shit.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i love all the people going "OMG THIS IS NOT THE TOPIC TO CRITICIZE KOBE." topics on board 8 go off the rails all the goddamn time but god forbid this happens in a topic about a dude who was good at playing basketball passing away.

also worth noting that when george h.w. bush had just died, i criticized him FAR more harsly than i just criticized kobe and hardly anyone gave a shit.

There is a large difference in the context of those deaths. Most of us are too young to remember Bush's presidency, but this extremely untimely death has much more impact. There is an emotional component to the shows and whys of death, and the more sudden and unexpected, the less likely it is for people to be receptive to your immediate "Actually" mentality. The best part of valor, I've found, is just to not make a referendum out of peoples' deaths ever. Except fictional deaths. Go to town on those.

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scarletspeed7 posted...

Most of us are too young to remember Bush's presidency,

so all the "respect the dead" and "if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all" talk doesn't apply, then? these rules only apply to kobe?


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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i love all the people going "OMG THIS IS NOT THE TOPIC TO CRITICIZE KOBE." topics on board 8 go off the rails all the goddamn time but god forbid this happens in a topic about a dude who was good at playing basketball passing away.

also worth noting that when george h.w. bush had just died, i criticized him FAR more harsly than i just criticized kobe and hardly anyone gave a shit.

I haven't read the topic that closely but from my understanding most of the criticism has been in relation to people derailing the topic over the legal system. I stand by what I said in regards to if you didn't respect someone when they were alive you're under no obligation to start respecting them just because they died. Having tact in that scenario is also important though.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

so all the "respect the dead" and "if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all" talk doesn't apply, then? these rules only apply to kobe?

I never said that and you know it. This sort of attempt to obfuscate my point by painting it as ridiculous through your isolated lens is rude and wrong. I was tempting to soothe a growing rift and you are behaving petulantly to someone just trying to offer some understanding of perspective.

My opening remark was explaining why you would get pushback on one topic when the other offered little. If Rutherford B. Hayes died today, no one would really care. If Chris Evans died, it would hit so much harder given his relevance and saturation in our lives.

I firmly believe that topics like this are never meant for editorializing. You don't show up to a funeral and begin to curse the deceased. It's bad form. Given our long tenures here and connections, topics like this are our board's tiny tributes to the subjects of discussion, and what really matters here is knowing your audience. If people are experiencing shock and grief, read it, understand it and use that empathy to determine whether your posts contribute positively or negatively at that moment.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i love all the people going "OMG THIS IS NOT THE TOPIC TO CRITICIZE KOBE." topics on board 8 go off the rails all the goddamn time but god forbid this happens in a topic about a dude who was good at playing basketball passing away.

also worth noting that when george h.w. bush had just died, i criticized him FAR more harsly than i just criticized kobe and hardly anyone gave a shit.

Nobody said you can't criticize him. This is a forum. Talk about what you want. It is on topic. I said, don't be upset if you get criticized back or take backlash from it.

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Well put, Scarlet.

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I feel like I woke up in another universe yesterday. Still surreal.


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I just don't understand the point of bringing up Kobe's shortcomings right now. That was a very public event. If you know Kobe enough to be saddened by his death, you remember that. This isn't the time to throw it in people's faces in an attempt to make them feel bad for feeling sad over a guy's death because you think he's a terrible person and doesn't deserve it. Telling people how to react to death doesn't exactly make you look like an upstanding guy either.

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i've never said - and i don't think - kobe was a terrible person. all i said was "it doesn't seem like he was a great person."

interesting how such a milquetoast opinion is making me receive so much criticism and vitriol. the way people idolize sports celebrities is pretty crazy.

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quite the victim complex you have huh

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yeah, totally. it's not like people are saying i'm "holier than thou" and "petulant" and whatnot. nope, nobody is attacking me in the slightest.

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Corrik7 posted...

Nobody said you can't criticize him. This is a forum. Talk about what you want. It is on topic. I said, don't be upset if you get criticized back or take backlash from it.

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if you swing first people are gonna swing back

especially when they are already upset

I don't know a whole lot about Kobe or the validity of the accusations but the "omg this big celeb died ;_;" topic is probably not a great time or place to bust out this particular soapbox

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i've never said - and i don't think - kobe was a terrible person. all i said was "it doesn't seem like he was a great person."

interesting how such a milquetoast opinion is making me receive so much criticism and vitriol. the way people idolize sports celebrities is pretty crazy.

Well today I learned that my contributions are valueless.

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scarletspeed7 posted...

Well today I learned that my contributions are valueless.

You tried.

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i'm not upset.

i'm just saying that people are attacking me over what i posted in this topic.

ergo, "YOU HAVE SUCH A VICTIM COMPLEX" is a ridiculous - not to mention insulting - thing to say. it would have been warranted if there were no attacks on me. but there were.

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Tom Bombadil posted...

I don't know a whole lot about Kobe or the validity of the accusations but the "omg this big celeb died ;_;" topic is probably not a great time or place to bust out this particular soapbox

posting a milquetoast opinion is "busting out a soapbox"? i expected better from you, tom.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i've never said - and i don't think - kobe was a terrible person. all i said was "it doesn't seem like he was a great person."

interesting how such a milquetoast opinion is making me receive so much criticism and vitriol. the way people idolize sports celebrities is pretty crazy.

I'm already on the record as saying I don't idolize Kobe, but if you feel the need to come in every topic when someone dies and point out they weren't perfect (because you'll have to do it in every topic), that doesn't feel like a hill worth dying on.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

posting a milquetoast opinion is "busting out a soapbox"? i expected better from you, tom.

"that guy who just died that most people really like kinda sucks" is not something I would call milquetoast, especially when there's already an argument over it

granted I had to go back to see that you came in later than I realized but I think I stand by my point all the same

Mr Lasastryke posted...

the way people idolize sports celebrities is pretty crazy.

this is absolutely in soapbox territory tho, coming from somebody more inclined to agree than disagree with this point in general

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Lasa, you should really just take like a few steps back and then re-read your posts. Lol

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

posting a milquetoast opinion is "busting out a soapbox"? i expected better from you, tom.

Calling your opinion milquetoast does not negate the context of the topic and how your posts fit into that. Not every topic functions in the same way. If you need a discussion to vent about this, creating a separate topic feels like the right road there, rather than trying to usurp the purpose this topic has developed and commandeer the narrative. Your posts aren't wrong, but the context of them does you no favors.

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Corrik7 posted...

Lasa, you should really just take like a few steps back and then re-read your posts. Lol

that "lol" you added really made me take your advice seriously, thank you

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I think if it was just infidelity it'd be one thing.

But there's significant evidence he might have raped a woman, with even his own admission that there wasn't mutual consent.

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the thing is, people are just going to have different opinions on what qualifies as "bad form" in these kinds of topics. i'm (obviously) in the minority on this one. it's not a new debate at all. i've been on the board long enough to remember that when michael jackson died, shake immediately posted "uh guys he was kind of a sexual predator" and got utterly obliterated for doing this. i still sided with shake on that one for the most part, though i don't think the evidence about MJ's crimes was as strong back then as it is now (this was pre-leaving neverland, obviously).

but yeah, there's not much point in continuing a debate on this, as it's not a debate that's based in arguments or reason. it's just going to be a shouting match.

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Lasa: Kobe kinda sucked

Charon: Well he wasn't perfect

Lasa: OMG WHY AM I BEING ATTACKED

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So they announced that they're going to bypass the 5-year waiting period and posthumously induct Kobe into the Hall of Fame this year.

Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, and Kevin Garnett is pretty much the perfect trio for that class to encapsulate what the '00s and early '10s in basketball were all about.

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MZero11 posted...

Lasa: Kobe kinda sucked

Charon: Well he wasn't perfect

Lasa: OMG WHY AM I BEING ATTACKED

yeah this is a 100% accurate representation of how that part of the topic went

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Honestly, given the full context of this particular event, which includes his daughter passing away in the crash, that this probably isn't the topic to revisit/relitigate the allegations against him - and I say that as someone who thinks that episode would be relevant to a more open-ended "legacy/history/biography" type discussion.

But given how this particular tragedy occurred and the fact there were 8 other victims and not just Kobe I would side with this topic not being the right venue for it.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...
Several comments being intentionally obtuse in a thread where people are expressing their grief at a sudden death.

You proceed to make it all about you, when you know your choice was unlikely to contribute positively to the purpose of the thread. Just have the wisdom to leave well enough alone at this point.

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Llarian posted...

Several comments being intentionally obtuse in a thread where people are expressing their grief at a sudden death.

You proceed to make it all about you, when you know your choice was unlikely to contribute positively to the purpose of the thread. Just have the wisdom to leave well enough alone at this point.

shut the fuck up

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LeonhartFour posted...

So they announced that they're going to bypass the 5-year waiting period and posthumously induct Kobe into the Hall of Fame this year.

Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, and Kevin Garnett is pretty much the perfect trio for that class to encapsulate what the '00s and early '10s in basketball were all about.

Insane class right there.

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i don't really have any particular feelings about Kobe, but I saw a gif on twitter of him and his daughter enjoying a basketball game. That she went down in the helicopter too makes me really sad - a kid who still had a whole life to live. That sucks.

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