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pojr
03/10/20 11:09:49 PM
#202:


Just got home lol

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HannibalBarca3
03/10/20 11:10:42 PM
#203:


GGs

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davyheinz
03/11/20 9:46:07 PM
#204:


Looks like we will have quarantine time for Smash soon

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pojr
03/11/20 11:22:42 PM
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Lol I'm so tempted to retire puff. I feel like I'm always clicking the attack buttons, but the opponents attacks always override mine for some reason. I'm sure there's some science to what timing you have to press the buttons. But with other characters I have better luck lol.

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davyheinz
03/12/20 12:20:05 AM
#206:


pojr posted...
Lol I'm so tempted to retire puff. I feel like I'm always clicking the attack buttons, but the opponents attacks always override mine for some reason. I'm sure there's some science to what timing you have to press the buttons. But with other characters I have better luck lol.
Nope, she is like that now. She ended up being the same way in Smash4 except she was even worse with lack of combos and neutered rest. She has some reach on her legs and pound is disjointed, but they have made it so characters appendages are very much a hitbox and a hurtbox. Mewtwos tail has turned him into a failure.

Frame data: https://ultimateframedata.com/jigglypuff.php

Look at the Fair compared to the ForwardB. Fair has a point where her feet go further than the hitbox. ForwardB actually doesnt extend her arm all that far like Fair and Bair but the hitbox is really wide.

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HannibalBarca3
03/12/20 12:58:34 AM
#207:


pojr posted...
Lol I'm so tempted to retire puff. I feel like I'm always clicking the attack buttons, but the opponents attacks always override mine for some reason. I'm sure there's some science to what timing you have to press the buttons. But with other characters I have better luck lol.

One of Jigglypuff biggest weakness is lack of range and diajoints. It's as mentioned earlier diajoints and camping are very effective against her since she has no answer to that.

With weaker characters, especially one that's contender for worse in the game, those flaws can be apparent especially once you start fighting better people who know how to exploit those flaws. That's not to say you can't succeed with Puff, I know we have a very good puff player here in Texas and I've heard Hungrybox is going decently with Ultimate Puff. And that's even less of a factor when playing Online. Puff still has a great punish game when she gets up close to you and good edgeguarding.

But you could focus on a more simple and effective character like Lucina or Wolf to help you level up more effectively if you feel frustrated when playing Puff.


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pojr
03/12/20 3:12:19 PM
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davyheinz posted...
Nope, she is like that now. She ended up being the same way in Smash4 except she was even worse with lack of combos and neutered rest. She has some reach on her legs and pound is disjointed, but they have made it so characters appendages are very much a hitbox and a hurtbox. Mewtwos tail has turned him into a failure.

Frame data: https://ultimateframedata.com/jigglypuff.php

Look at the Fair compared to the ForwardB. Fair has a point where her feet go further than the hitbox. ForwardB actually doesnt extend her arm all that far like Fair and Bair but the hitbox is really wide.
I didn't even know that was a thing, that's really cool. Weird that a lot of the hitboxes are circles.

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pojr
03/12/20 3:13:26 PM
#209:


HannibalBarca3 posted...
One of Jigglypuff biggest weakness is lack of range and diajoints. It's as mentioned earlier diajoints and camping are very effective against her since she has no answer to that.

With weaker characters, especially one that's contender for worse in the game, those flaws can be apparent especially once you start fighting better people who know how to exploit those flaws. That's not to say you can't succeed with Puff, I know we have a very good puff player here in Texas and I've heard Hungrybox is going decently with Ultimate Puff. And that's even less of a factor when playing Online. Puff still has a great punish game when she gets up close to you and good edgeguarding.

But you could focus on a more simple and effective character like Lucina or Wolf to help you level up more effectively if you feel frustrated when playing Puff.
Crazy to think that Hungrybox is the best melee player in the world, and even with a talented player like him he's only getting okay tournament results with puff. But I commend him for using a suboptimal character because he likes the character.

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viewmaster_pi
03/12/20 3:16:48 PM
#210:


pojr posted...
Crazy to think that Hungrybox is the best melee player in the world
is he? for some reason i doubt he'd get better results with fox than he does with puff

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pojr
03/12/20 3:54:02 PM
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is he? for some reason i doubt he'd get better results with fox than he does with puff
He also focused on puff for years and became good. Had he put that same time and effort into a different character instead of puff, would he be successful?

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viewmaster_pi
03/12/20 3:56:19 PM
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pojr posted...
He also focused on puff for years and became good. Had he put that same time and effort into a different character instead of puff, would he be successful?
idk, i just see the other "gods" play a wider range of characters

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AceAttorneyist
03/12/20 7:50:57 PM
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idk, i just see the other "gods" play a wider range of characters
HBox did very well in a tournament where he only used Fox and Shiek. He also dominates in the Fox matchup which most people say is unfavorable for Puff. Granted, he got his ass kicked in the MU for years before attaining dominance, but he now destroys all styles of Fox. Which is very impressive if you understand the game, as Fox has so many options he can be played in very many different ways.

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HannibalBarca3
03/12/20 9:42:30 PM
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pojr posted...
Crazy to think that Hungrybox is the best melee player in the world, and even with a talented player like him he's only getting okay tournament results with puff. But I commend him for using a suboptimal character because he likes the character.
Well afaik Hungrybox doesn't really take Ultimate in earnest. But he recently won a tournament and he has one PGR win against RFang which I think makes him the only melee player to have one aside from Leffen who has PGR wins on Maister and Salem and probably someone else. I think around the first Ultimate Summit he entertained the thought of just playing Wario in Ultimate, I know Mang0 played him when he was fucking with Ultimate but in the end he decided to stick with Puff despite her flaws.

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pojr
03/12/20 10:38:19 PM
#215:


HannibalBarca3 posted...
Well afaik Hungrybox doesn't really take Ultimate in earnest. But he recently won a tournament and he has one PGR win against RFang which I think makes him the only melee player to have one aside from Leffen who has PGR wins on Maister and Salem and probably someone else. I think around the first Ultimate Summit he entertained the thought of just playing Wario in Ultimate, I know Mang0 played him when he was fucking with Ultimate but in the end he decided to stick with Puff despite her flaws.
He'd probably do well if he picked a different character, but sometimes you use a character because you like that character. Kind of like how Elegant sticks with Luigi. I agree that I don't believe he takes ultimate as seriously as melee. He still has his work cut out for him though, he must surpass Bassmage in being the best Jigglypuff in the US.

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AceAttorneyist
03/12/20 10:45:34 PM
#216:


Bassmage is the best Puff? Interesting, never heard of him until now. Always assumed Cannon Red was the best.

Anyway, I can play for a bit tonight if you want

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HannibalBarca3
03/12/20 11:19:00 PM
#217:


I'm down for a bit

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HannibalBarca3
03/12/20 11:27:33 PM
#218:


AceAttorneyist posted...
Bassmage is the best Puff? Interesting, never heard of him until now. Always assumed Cannon Red was the best.

Anyway, I can play for a bit tonight if you want
I think the best puff is a player from Japan at least based off tournament results. Cannon red is the puff player from Texas I was talking about.

Also the thing about characters is that sometimes people are wrong about them. I do think it's safe to say Puff is not a good character but some characters have proven themselves to be good. Elegant believes Luigi is a high tier character and has at least shown results with him, even making into the PGR. Game and Watch is the character in this game with the weirdest perception. People used to believe he was a low tier character, Zero even put him in bottom tier, until Maister started showing how dumb game and watch is. Maister also thinks he's top 10 but while most don't think that he's often thought of as at least high tier if not top tier. His overall tournament results have also gone up, he's sitting at #16 in OrionStats and is only 20 points behind Inkling at #15.

While I don't think Puff is going to climb up you never know. Might that someone to show characters like Puff or Isabelle have the sauce.

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AceAttorneyist
03/12/20 11:29:54 PM
#219:


ID is FC2PT

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viewmaster_pi
03/12/20 11:30:23 PM
#220:


HannibalBarca3 posted...
Also the thing about characters is that sometimes people are wrong about them.
I think this happens a lot. It takes time for characters to get on the community radar, so like Wario and G&W, they get slept on for a long time.

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HannibalBarca3
03/12/20 11:35:14 PM
#221:


AceAttorneyist posted...
ID is FC2PT
Gonna use the restroom for a it

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HannibalBarca3
03/12/20 11:48:27 PM
#222:


Wtf

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AceAttorneyist
03/12/20 11:48:44 PM
#223:


Lol

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pojr
03/12/20 11:55:11 PM
#224:


You guys still playing or is it a wrap? I know it's still late

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HannibalBarca3
03/13/20 12:00:09 AM
#225:


Smh trying to go for the disrespect

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AceAttorneyist
03/13/20 12:00:17 AM
#226:


pojr posted...
You guys still playing or is it a wrap? I know it's still late
Join us. Password is 69

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AceAttorneyist
03/13/20 12:29:03 AM
#227:


Pffffft that was awful. Landing sing is the hard part, can't be missing those

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pojr
03/13/20 12:33:48 AM
#228:


AceAttorneyist posted...
Pffffft that was awful. Landing sing is the hard part, can't be missing those
I feel you. Sometimes I get the sing and then I miss the rest. I facepalm at myself every time lol.

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viewmaster_pi
03/13/20 12:36:57 AM
#229:


i'll never think fishing rod over the ledge isn't cheap

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pojr
03/13/20 12:40:25 AM
#230:


viewmaster_pi posted...
i'll never think fishing rod over the ledge isn't cheap
Isabelle is annoying but seems like a fun character to use. Every time I face one I'm like "fuck"

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viewmaster_pi
03/13/20 12:48:48 AM
#231:


i like toon link the most out of the links, but he just feels terrible to play, his floatiness ruins him

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pojr
03/13/20 12:52:11 AM
#232:


Wish I could style with other characters like y'all can, but DK is the only one that doesn't make me look like a total scrub <_<

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AceAttorneyist
03/13/20 12:53:43 AM
#233:


I'll try once more with Falcon and play until I lose

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viewmaster_pi
03/13/20 1:01:31 AM
#234:


i just don't understand him at all, he has none of what makes either of his counterparts any good. i wish they'd just de-clone him

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AceAttorneyist
03/13/20 1:09:46 AM
#235:


Ggs

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viewmaster_pi
03/13/20 1:18:49 AM
#236:


that was bullshit

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viewmaster_pi
03/13/20 1:22:21 AM
#237:


GGs

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HannibalBarca3
03/13/20 1:22:47 AM
#238:


viewmaster_pi posted...
i'll never think fishing rod over the ledge isn't cheap
Let her have at least that lol She's not that good of a character but at least she has good ledgetrapping.

viewmaster_pi posted...
that was bullshit
Doc's recovery is pretty bad for a reason.

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HannibalBarca3
03/13/20 1:23:33 AM
#239:


Also GGs. Pojr you've been showing improvement. I like that you attempt to go for edgeguards.

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pojr
03/13/20 1:25:54 AM
#240:


GG

I watched a bunch of the battles, I don't have much to say cuz I'm still pretty new to the game, but you all played really well. That Dr Mario is really good, didn't expect to get wrecked by it.

Ace, your puff definitely outshines mine for sure, only reason that game was close was because of those two rest misses, otherwise you would have totally owned me lol. I took note of those combos that you were doing, never knew you could do that with puff.

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AceAttorneyist
03/13/20 10:05:46 AM
#241:


Yeah I couldn't hit rest much at all last night lol. Rest consistency is pretty important if you wanna play Puff, she needs those early kills. Plus missing often means death. I think my Falcon is often better than my Puff, one reason being that knee is so much easier to hit and far less risky

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pojr
03/13/20 10:55:35 AM
#242:


AceAttorneyist posted...
Yeah I couldn't hit rest much at all last night lol. Rest consistency is pretty important if you wanna play Puff, she needs those early kills. Plus missing often means death. I think my Falcon is often better than my Puff, one reason being that knee is so much easier to hit and far less risky
I'm really bad at hitting rests. I've done a few down air rests, but it only seems to work half the time.

I forgot to comment on your falcon, it was unstoppable. I was happy to take one stock from it, while you proceeded to mop the floor with me lol.

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davyheinz
03/14/20 3:41:37 PM
#243:


Bump

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pojr
03/14/20 3:47:01 PM
#244:


thank you hungrybox for making that jigglypuff guide

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AceAttorneyist
03/14/20 7:42:40 PM
#245:


If anyone wants to play I'll be home in half an hour

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HannibalBarca3
03/14/20 8:23:27 PM
#246:


I can in 15 minutes

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AceAttorneyist
03/14/20 8:42:29 PM
#247:


ID is K9J82

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HannibalBarca3
03/14/20 8:46:43 PM
#248:


omw

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viewmaster_pi
03/14/20 8:47:13 PM
#249:


HannibalBarca3 posted...
omw
same

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viewmaster_pi
03/14/20 8:48:34 PM
#250:


do you have legal-only stages in the random rotation?

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AceAttorneyist
03/14/20 8:53:17 PM
#251:


viewmaster_pi posted...
do you have legal-only stages in the random rotation?
Yeah

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