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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:24:32 PM
#301:


masterplum posted...
You guys are acting like scum always acts perfectly. I'm super confidant balls is scum thinking hb is lying
Why would scum think Hb is lying? Why would Hb lie to begin with?

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HanOfTheNekos
04/12/20 8:24:40 PM
#302:


Votals
[5] Hb - (Corrik), (MZero), (Sultan), Balla, Lea, Sultan, Corrik, Death
[2] Balla - (Lea), (DYL), (Scare), Hb, (Sultan), Plum
[1] Panth - (Corrik), Scare, (Death)
[1] Scare - Tange, (Sultan)
[1] Plum - Crescent
[1] DYL - Panth
[0] Sultan - (Plum)
[0] MZero - (Plum)
[0] Tange - (Damion), (Scare)
[0] Lea - (Plum)

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uwnim
04/12/20 8:25:28 PM
#303:


Actually full doc trying to act like something less than he really is so he comes across as harmless.

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masterplum
04/12/20 8:25:52 PM
#304:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Why would scum think Hb is lying? Why would Hb lie to begin with?

Ask corrik why he claimed cop as vanilla or whatever. Sometimes people do things.

Or maybe some power affected something. Idk.

What I know for sure is Balla does not make those targets as town.

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:26:50 PM
#305:


Scare is the correct target for his role to target last night. Chris is the questionable one.

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:28:07 PM
#306:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Also, Targeting the cop night 2 makes sense with Balla's claim. He saw no kill night ome, which suggests we have protection. Scum in this case is far more likely to roleblock a cop claim than shoot it.
Like, this stance is the correct stance and its exactly how I would have processed night 2 with the role he's claiming.

Did he tell us WHY he targeted Chris?

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masterplum
04/12/20 8:28:28 PM
#307:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Like, this stance is the correct stance and its exactly how I would have processed night 2 with the role he's claiming.

Did he tell us WHY he targeted Chris?

No, I asked him that and he disappeared

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masterplum
04/12/20 8:29:15 PM
#308:


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uwnim
04/12/20 8:29:39 PM
#309:


The problem is, why would scum not just kill chris n1 if the rolestop is scum and doesn't block kills? They killed him last night, so they weren't going to try to the leave chris alive and hope town mislynches him before he wrecks them thing.

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:29:56 PM
#310:


Nope, he didn't give reasoning for either action that I can see.

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:31:26 PM
#311:


uwnim posted...
The problem is, why would scum not just kill chris n1 if the rolestop is scum and doesn't block kills? They killed him last night, so they weren't going to try to the leave chris alive and hope town mislynches him before he wrecks them thing.
It would effectively give them an unblockable kill for every night its useable.

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BallaLeonHall
04/12/20 8:31:45 PM
#312:


masterplum posted...
I mean I guess it's possible he is really bad at mafia
How does rolestoping chris make me bad at mafia?

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:32:16 PM
#313:


BallaLeonHall posted...
How does rolestoping chris make me bad at mafia?
Why did you choose your targets?

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:35:45 PM
#314:


Crescent-Moon posted...
It would effectively give them an unblockable kill for every night its useable.
Which begs the question, if Balla is scum who role stopped Chris, then why on Earth did Chris survive night 1? Why did no one die?

The only explanation I'd have is that scum did not use the rolestop power on night 1 at all, but why would you shoot Chris normally when you can shoot him unblockably?

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BallaLeonHall
04/12/20 8:36:27 PM
#315:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Why did you choose your targets?
Chris I thought was town d1. Debated between him and Tange. N2 I chose Scare cause he said he was a cop.

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uwnim
04/12/20 8:37:05 PM
#316:


BallaLeonHall posted...
How does rolestoping chris make me bad at mafia?
You were asked if it blocks kills. Your reply was you are not a doctor which indicates it does not. You used it on a player who is a likely scum night kill target regardless of what his role is so long as he's town. That means you are potentially stopping protection from saving chris.

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masterplum
04/12/20 8:37:21 PM
#317:


BallaLeonHall posted...
Chris I thought was town d1. Debated between him and Tange. N2 I chose Scare cause he said he was a cop.

This makes no sense

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:38:04 PM
#318:


uwnim posted...
You were asked if it blocks kills. Your reply was you are not a doctor which indicates it does not. You used it on a player who is a likely scum night kill target regardless of what his role is so long as he's town. That means you are potentially stopping protection from saving chris.
Basically this.

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:42:24 PM
#319:


Here's a strike I have against Hb right now though.

Why are we doing the arguing for him? Where was all this from Hb himself?

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:45:55 PM
#320:


The only thing Hb said was "Chris was a bad target night 1". He did not go into specifics. He is not trying to find things that discredit the claim against him. He never asked Balla why.

Though here's one thought... I thought only scanning roles were told they were redirected?

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Panthera
04/12/20 8:46:02 PM
#321:


Crescent has me sold on why role stopping Scare would be a reasonable move. The Chris one on the other hand still does not add up. Especially since Chris had only claimed to let people send messages to people that target them, so it's not like he would have been a prime block/scan target for scum. Kill is the main thing you'd expect scum to potentially throw at a town Chris that night, so why block everything but the kill, including potential protection? Especially since there was a tracker claim out there too, which you'd expect to get blocked but not shot due to protection fear...

Crescent-Moon posted...
Here's a strike I have against Hb right now though.

Why are we doing the arguing for him? Where was all this from Hb himself?

This is also true. He put up a brief fight, then just settled on repeating "My action didn't fail" a few times and hasn't been seen since.

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uwnim
04/12/20 8:47:22 PM
#322:


That would depend on the host I'd think. Like if you get back a confirmation message with the players name, then you'd likely find out if you were redirected when you get something saying you *actioned* a different player.

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Panthera
04/12/20 8:47:22 PM
#323:


Crescent-Moon posted...


Though here's one thought... I thought only scanning roles were told they were redirected?

Redirected, sure. A doc save would still get a roleblocked message though wouldn't they?

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:48:45 PM
#324:


Panthera posted...
Redirected, sure. A doc save would still get a roleblocked message though wouldn't they?
Any active role can get a roleblocked message I think?

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Panthera
04/12/20 8:50:25 PM
#325:


That's how I've always seen it I'm pretty sure. Targeting a role stopped target should get you treated like you were roleblocked, right?

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:51:14 PM
#326:


But here's the thing. There's a small chance this is town/town and we're screwed by circumstance.

It still does nothing to explain the no kill, but its possible for Hb to be town that was redirected off of Chris and doesn't know it.

I would be more ok with believing that if Hb hadn't flopped over like a wet noodle though.

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Corrik7
04/12/20 8:52:16 PM
#327:


Just woke up. Anything new?

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uwnim
04/12/20 8:53:19 PM
#328:


Red didn't make any effort to save himself d2, so unfortunately there's no reason to expect people to try to stay alive in this game.

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:54:12 PM
#329:


Corrik7 posted...
Just woke up. Anything new?
Hb basically gave up when there's clearly some holes in Balla's claim and even a scenario where both cam be town.

Lea is trying to look as scummy as possible.

So um.. Not really?

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Corrik7
04/12/20 8:54:47 PM
#330:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Hb basically gave up when there's clearly some holes in Balla's claim and even a scenario where both cam be town.

Lea is trying to look as scummy as possible.

So um.. Not really?
There is really no scenario both can be town.

Unless one is lying as town.

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Hbthebattle
04/12/20 8:54:53 PM
#331:


I havent given up but its fuckingn Easter give me a break
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masterplum
04/12/20 8:55:29 PM
#332:


would be amusing if both were scum. Seems unlikely but possible

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:55:54 PM
#333:


uwnim posted...
Red didn't make any effort to save himself d2, so unfortunately there's no reason to expect people to try to stay alive in this game.
This is true. Red was too busy being smug and mocking people. I watched the end of day 2 like I did day 1 and thought he was town. He certainly would've lived the tiebreaker had he just voted.

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Corrik7
04/12/20 8:56:04 PM
#334:


Balla is scanned town supposedly byba scan we know Chris gave tange.

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:56:31 PM
#335:


Corrik7 posted...
There is really no scenario both can be town.

Unless one is lying as town.
There is exactly one. Hb getting redirected off of Chris and not knowing he did.

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Corrik7
04/12/20 8:56:55 PM
#336:


Crescent-Moon posted...
There is exactly one. Hb getting redirected off of Chris and not knowing he did.
Except he would have been told he was. Why wouldn't he have been? I was.

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 8:57:29 PM
#337:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Though here's one thought... I thought only scanning roles were told they were redirected?


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Corrik7
04/12/20 8:57:51 PM
#338:


My role could have been told there was no bomb on my redirect. Instead it specified who I targeted had no bomb.

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Panthera
04/12/20 8:57:52 PM
#339:


Corrik7 posted...
Except he would have been told he was. Why wouldn't he have been? I was.

A doc save wouldn't be told they were redirected, would they? Scanners know because they get a result on someone they didn't target. Docs don't

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uwnim
04/12/20 8:59:12 PM
#340:


Do those also give the target's name when the host sends the action results in this game?

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BallaLeonHall
04/12/20 8:59:28 PM
#341:


oh damn I just noticed something subtile

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Corrik7
04/12/20 8:59:34 PM
#342:


Panthera posted...
A doc save wouldn't be told they were redirected, would they? Scanners know because they get a result on someone they didn't target. Docs don't
So your theory is that HB was redirected to Uwnim for a third redirection and that the kill was onto Uwnim also that HB blocked? Think about that.

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Panthera
04/12/20 8:59:47 PM
#343:


BallaLeonHall posted...
oh damn I just noticed something subtile

##Unvote
##Vote: Balla

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Corrik7
04/12/20 8:59:58 PM
#344:


BallaLeonHall posted...
oh damn I just noticed something subtile
Oh god

##vote: Panth

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BallaLeonHall
04/12/20 8:59:59 PM
#345:


my n1 says succesful my n2 say succesful on scare

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Crescent-Moon
04/12/20 9:00:18 PM
#346:


uwnim posted...
Do those also give the target's name when the host sends the action results in this game?
As far as I know scanners are always told who their target ended up being if redirected, to avoid the possibility of game breaking misinformation.

That's our only town/town scenario here. Game breaking misinformation.

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BallaLeonHall
04/12/20 9:02:03 PM
#347:


I have no idea if that means something. Was I even allowed to post that?

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HanOfTheNekos
04/12/20 9:03:15 PM
#348:


stop was at 9pm

so to reiterate

stop

stop

stop

stop

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Bossman_Coolguy
04/12/20 9:05:14 PM
#349:


tag

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HanOfTheNekos
04/12/20 9:08:59 PM
#350:


Votals
[4] Hb - (Corrik), (MZero), (Sultan), Balla, Lea, Sultan, (Corrik), Death
[3] Balla - (Lea), (DYL), (Scare), Hb, (Sultan), Plum, Panth
[2] Panth - (Corrik), Scare, (Death), Corrik
[1] Scare - Tange, (Sultan)
[1] Plum - Crescent
[0] DYL - (Panth)
[0] Sultan - (Plum)
[0] MZero - (Plum)
[0] Tange - (Damion), (Scare)
[0] Lea - (Plum)

PM me if you see mistakes.

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