Poll of the Day > There is no point to the stay at home orders/no work. People are ignoring it.

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I don't know if it is like this everywhere, or if it's because the president said he would open things back up by easter or what,
but I went out today. My plan was simple there is an abry's not that far away and they had a 5 for $10 special.I figure I could buy
them and nuke the sandwiches at home, so they woull be safe to eat. I'd check the safeway right near it and if the lines were not
to long I'd get some more food and snacks as well.

I live a few blocks from a main street. Hadn't seen much traffic on my street for awhile so I thought everywhere was going to be pretty deserted at this point. I know alot of places were closed AND it was easter sunday so even more might bb (I had called arby's first tommke sure they were open.

I drive the 3-4 blocks down to pacific which is a main road here in Tacoma, and I'm freaking shocked already. There are tons of cars everywhere, people walking down the street (with no masks) people going in and out of small stores/walgreen etc all without masks.
Still, I mean most everyone was in cars, so maybe they were just going to drive throughs or shopping etc.

So i drive down to 38th street and turn towards arby's. I would say there was more traffic in fact than a normal sunday today. Nobody
was taking any precautions that I could see, people were everywhere. I went through arby's (at least the person at the window was wearing gloves, but, he didn't change them after each order, so it might protect him, but wouldn't protect customers at all) and pulled
out to go to the safeway parking lot. It was jammed packed, only a few people wore masks. I decided it wasn't worth the risk.

I swung by walgreens on the way back but it was a similar story people were standing right next to each other in line to check and the aisles in walgreens are really tight so they were basically touching each other to get by. I noped out of there and returned home.

Honestly there is no point at all at a stay at home order that isn't enforced. People are ignoring this and laughing it off. If only the at risk people (and obviously from the age of many of the people I saw, not even them) are taking this seriously, then just restrict them and get everyone back to work.

This is rediculous.

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Yeah I ran up to dollar tree yesterday because I was out of trash bags and one of my cats tore my shower screen liner I figured i could dart up there, run inside real quick grab this stuff and dart home as quickly and social distancy as possible.

Got up there and I had to wait outside because they were at their limit on how many people were in there, there was a line.

While standing there, i watch so many cars heading down towards all the dept stores. Its stupid, people are ignoring it, either because they don't understand whats at stake or more than likely they just don't care how many people die.

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Sequiro posted...

While standing there, i watch so many cars heading down towards all the dept stores. Its stupid, people are ignoring it, either because they don't understand whats at stake or more than likely they just don't care how many people die.

Wow. Criticising others for going out while doing the same yourself.

The problem is, the entire point of the stay at home orders isn't to keep literally everyone at home. It's to keep as many people out of circulation as you can so you don't overwhelm hospitals as the infection spreads. It's what they mean when they talk about "flattening the curve". It doesn't matter if some people are ignoring it and acting like idiots, as long as a substantial number of people aren't ignoring it, and aren't acting like idiots.

It's also worth remembering that some places are way worse off than others right now. In New Jersey, you can definitely see a pretty significant shift in behavior, helped by the fact that literally nothing other than essential services are allowed to be open, and you can't even grocery shop at this point without wearing a mask (whether you want to or not).
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's also worth remembering that some places are way worse off than others right now

I get that, and the death toll in Tacoma has been pretty low over all, which is probably why people are ignoring it.

While we have had a total of 600 deaths or so in WA, Pierce county (the county I am in), has only had 28 out of 1000 reported cases. Which is by far the lowest amount of a county in WA.

So I can see why people are ignoring the orders, hardly anyone in Tacoma and Pierce county has died, and only 1000 total cases (out of over 10k) have been reported here.

Still, it seems crazy to just ignore all precautions even with those numbers. I guess we are the Germany of Washington.

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wolfy42 posted...

at least the person at the window was wearing gloves, but, he didn't change them after each order, so it might protect him, but wouldn't protect customers at all

nope.

it's pretty stupid, all things considered.

the burger king here, the people at the window actually hold a plastic tray out of the window for you to put your payment in, but then they just pick it right up out of that tray.

there's absolutely 0 point to that, why are they doing that. if you're picking it up anyways, just take it directly from my fucking hand.

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Bro, you were out too. It's wild to me that people are shocked others are out when they're out and about doing their thing too. You aren't the only one who thought they'd swing by Arby's and 100 stores.

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I didn't go to 100 stores, and that was my first time in 2 months going to arby's. I have no problem with people doing that at all. But people were EVERYWHERE walking around like normal, sitting at bus stops, waiting at line at taco trucks. I have to shop at 6 am in the morning to avoid people just shopping like normal.

I am taking the SaH order seriously and have been for a long time, but people in Tacoma WA are ignoring it all together.

But then again we have only had 26 deaths here, the lowest by far in Washington, so maybe that is why.

I don't know, but it's frustrating to see so many people acting like nothing is happening.

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It makes sense. With limiting time and space, itll happen. Some places do have curfews. Which then mean people have to get everything done during the day. And since. It everywhere is open, theyll have to get it done at the same time... So, thats what happens...

wolfy42 posted...

he didn't change them after each order, so it might protect him, but wouldn't protect customers at all

They absolutely dont have gloves to change a delete every customer. Nowhere has that many gloves. It was probably hard enough to get the gloves they have...

wolfy42 posted...

Honestly there is no point at all at a stay at home order that isn't enforced.

You can say that, but those people may have needed supplies just like you. You could be mad there are people outside. But to them, youre the same. Outside even though theres a Stay-at-home order...
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wolfy42 posted...

I don't know, but it's frustrating to see so many people acting like nothing is happening

you say this, but you were literally i havent been to arbys in a while i should go right now

man why are all these people not staying at home while i leave home and go to arbys

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Lol, there is a HUGE difference between getting in your car, and going through a drive through, and walking down the street with tons of other people, standing right next to people in line at a taco stand, and waiting at a bus stop with 6+ peopll all sitting next to each other.

When I go shopping (in the past at 6 am, this was the first time I tried during the day), I wear a mask (in fact a full face covering), I wear gloves, and I don't go within 6 feet of other people.

At the store, nobody had a mask on, and most were within 6 feet of each other because it was mega crowded.

The point is that it's buisiness as usual out there. I've been self isolating for over a month (almost 2) and people are ignoring it, and obviously have been. I've been here so long, I didn't know that people were just acting like normal out there.

I went out ONCE to arbies, and microwaved my food before eating it lol. Besides that I had gone shopping at 6 am twice before, that is it, in two months.

Today when I went out, people were everywhere, it was at least as busy as any normal day, probably moreso (because alot of people are not working, it was more like a weekend day).

That was not social distancing, that was........the opposite? More people were out and about than normal, by a significant amount.

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wolfy42 posted...

Lol, there is a HUGE difference between getting in your car, and going through a drive through, and walking down the street with tons of other people, standing right next to people in line at a taco stand, and waiting at a bus stop with 6+ peopll all sitting next to each other.

Some people have to walk because they don't have cars. Or walk because they are already parked and have to go somewhere else, or for whatever reasons. They have to do stuff, as well. People are standing in line for tacos because they are hungry and need to eat. No matter how spaced out the line is, the people in line are probably going to be next to someone. The bus stops are full because those people need to ride the bus. Not to mention, I know back home, the buses have new rules. Only 10 people (9 since the driver is one) on the bus at a time. If they go to a bus stop and they're full, but no one is getting off, they have to drive right by the bus stop without stopping...

wolfy42 posted...

I went out ONCE to arbies

You can say you only went once, but how many times have those people gone? How do you know this isn't the first time they went to Arby's in a couple months? Or even a year?

wolfy42 posted...

That was not social distancing, that was........the opposite? More people were out and about than normal, by a significant amount.

That's how it's going to be. Less stores being open mean that everyone is going to be at the same stores as everybody else since there's only so many places they can go. Less people working means people aren't busy during the day, so more people will be around. That's life...
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stop trying to justify yourself for doing the exact same shit they were doing

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Bulbasaur posted...

stop trying to justify yourself for doing the exact same shit they were doing

I think the point @wolfy42 was trying to make is, social isolating, staying home and only going out for necessities, you would expect to see less traffic and no crowding if most people are staying home. And that's pretty much how it is here, sparse traffic, most people in stores wearing masks and distancing. I've been out maybe three times a week, grocery shopping for me and an elderly neighbor, taking the same neighbor to doctor's appointments (screened at the clinic each time), picking up prescriptions for neighbor, hardware store for grass seed (maybe not a true necessity but all the current rules say lawn care is an essential), auto parts for brake fluid for neighbor's granddaughter's car, tire store for flat tire for my own car.

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dancer62 posted...

I think the point @wolfy42 was trying to make is, social isolating, staying home and only going out for necessities, you would expect to see less traffic and no crowding if most people are staying home. And that's pretty much how it is here, sparse traffic, most people in stores wearing masks and distancing. I've been out maybe three times a week, grocery shopping for me and an elderly neighbor, taking the same neighbor to doctor's appointments (screened at the clinic each time), picking up prescriptions for neighbor, hardware store for grass seed (maybe not a true necessity but all the current rules say lawn care is an essential), auto parts for brake fluid for neighbor's granddaughter's car, tire store for flat tire for my own car.

It probably depends on where you are and what's around. If you had a lot of recreational places that are now close, and only a handful (depending on the population) of stores, then those stores are probably going to be more crowded as less people could go to those other places. So they may spend more time getting supplies. Not to mention, I definitely use more stuff (like food and everything) the more I'm at home. So, going out to shop more often would make sense (Especially with a family). And some are trying to get projects around the house done. And need tools and supplies. So, it could be less in some places. Other places are going to definitely be more crowded, though.
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Most folk are actually not ignoring it. Although more than I'd like are. These things should be stricter in the UK.

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wwinterj25 posted...

Most folk are actually not ignoring it. Although more than I'd like are. These things should be stricter in the UK.

Also, it might be this. It might just look busier since there are less places to go. But there could be many less people actually out. But because they are all crowded together, it looks like a ton...
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I've also been trying to figure out the point of the order. We got busy, the governor did his initial stay home order, we were slow mon-thurs then friday we got slammed for 2 weeks. Then he did an upgraded order for my county and a few others and and was once again slow on mon-thurs then that friday we got slammed and have been for the last week. Yesterday we did 170% of our budget, aside from the two weeks he gave orders we've done between 150% to over 200% of our budget. When I drive to work it's normal traffic on the roads and interstate.

People do not care, they are out of work and treating it like a vacation and going to buy things they don't need. I don't work at a grocery store.

I'm not saying it's the case every where, because I've seen pictures that make me suspect more liberal areas might be taking it seriously, but they aren't here. The people who talk to me as they are waiting in line to enter wish the media would shut up because they seem believe the media to be the primary reason the shut down exists. Which isn't a position I find myself inherently disagreeing with.

You sound like my mom. She's always out places and then bitching other people are out too. You wouldn't have to worry about it if you were following the guidelines too. Places still look packed because grocery stores and drug stores tend to be in the same plazas as restaurants. Restaurants are still offering pickup. Stop acting like you're the only one with a valid reason to be outside.

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My wife shut down a lane of travel on 3 lane road last weekend so she could have a line of cars instead of a line of people outside her store. Roughly 500 cars came by for curbside service in a single day. It was very similar to an in-n-out drive through line.

If businesses aren't requiring or doing what it takes to keep people apart or if people are just done caring, oh well.

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I had to wait in line 15 minutes to get in to work at 10AM. Never had a line that early, guess I wasn't the only one to get my check yesterday.

LinkPizza posted...

They absolutely dont have gloves to change a delete every customer. Nowhere has that many gloves. It was probably hard enough to get the gloves they have...

There are plenty of vinyl gloves or latex gloves out there.

dancer62 posted...

but all the current rules say lawn care is an essential),

Wat.

SunWuKung420 posted...

My wife shut down a lane of travel on 3 lane road last weekend so she could have a line of cars instead of a line of people outside her store. Roughly 500 cars came by for curbside service in a single day. It was very similar to an in-n-out drive through line.

If businesses aren't requiring or doing what it takes to keep people apart or if people are just done caring, oh well.

Why are you telling us your wife violated traffic laws?
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Revelation, if any of the police patrolling had an issue with it, they would have said so. Go away.

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Shrug, it looks like people just ignored it here from what I am hearing, very few actually stayed at home. I thought my roomates were an exception but I guess they were the rule.

A few high risk people like me actually followed the order and stayed home. Considering only 26 people in the whole county died and 1000 got the virus so far, I guess I was an idiot and should have just lived life as normal like everyone else.

Sure wouldn't have been smart in other places, even in washington, but Pierce county, like Germany, seemed to ignore all precautions and yet had less cases and FAR less deaths than anywhere else.

You all saying "But you went out too, they are just doing what you did...blah blah blah"

I barely went out for 2 months (3 or 4 times total). I never got within 6 feet of another person if I could avoid it, and I wore a mask (or full face covering) every time. I didn't order food delivered even.

Meanwhile, yes, more people have to go to fewer places, so you would expect grocery stores etc to be crowded. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear, it's normal out there, actualy a bit more crowded. People are everywhere (ii's very nice weather), all along the streets on pacific, at all the bus stops, just stopping and chatting at intersections. There was no precautions being taken at all, no masks, nothing. I was here last summer, and it was not this crowded everywhere.

Alot of people are not working, and so they are out and about instead. They are not carefully going out to shop for groceries, they are just out enjoying the day. Most of the restraunts are open as well, you can't dine in, but they have lines for people ordering food and they are eating out front of the resteraunt lol.

So whatever, it's not like this everywhere I'm sure, but here there have been very few people who have gotten sick and extremely few deaths. Pierce county has just under 1 million residents, we have had 26 deaths and 1000 reported cases of the virus. People don't consider that worth changing their lives over I guess.

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Revelation34 posted...

There are plenty of vinyl gloves or latex gloves out there.

Not enough to change gloves every order. Not anywhere I know, at least. So, my current area. And where my friends and family are. If you can find them easy, that's awesome. But it's not like that in many places...
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Revelation34 posted...

There are plenty of vinyl gloves or latex gloves out there.

Bullshit

I mean they give out napkins with every order, how about using them to pick up/give orders (on top of having gloves on yourself). That would prevent the spread through touching the paper bags etc (and only use 1 napkin a pop).

To pay is another story though, but the customer could try and pay with exact change etc, or say keep the change if they don't want to risk touching it.

Using a napkin would prevent any cross contamination by the person working the window, and is cheap and easy to do. If it's a large order, use 2, one for each hand.

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wolfy42 posted...

I mean they give out napkins with every order, how about using them to pick up/give orders (on top of having gloves on yourself). That would prevent the spread through touching the paper bags etc (and only use 1 napkin a pop).

To pay is another story though, but the customer could try and pay with exact change etc, or say keep the change if they don't want to risk touching it.

Using a napkin would prevent any cross contamination by the person working the window, and is cheap and easy to do. If it's a large order, use 2, one for each hand.

It's on you to protect yourself, employers are only able to protect their employees to stay open.

BlackScythe0 posted...

It's on you to protect yourself, employers are only able to protect their employees to stay open.

Why is the world like this? Am i the only person who can think of using a napkin to protect customers? Seriously?

Why would you NOT do that if you could? Those are future customers who might get sick, maybe even die, if you don't. If you use a napkin, you are quite likely to at least prevent a few from getting sick for 2 weeks and obviously not coming in to get food from you.

It's not rocket science. If I was a manager at a fast food place, I would be trying to think of ways to protect both my customers AND my employees, and not only that, doing so would probably mean people would feel more comfortable coming to my store right now, and therefore, more likely to buy things from me.

It's not just a moral thing, it's a good idea for business as well.

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That still ends up being a ton on napkins wasted and therefore, money wasted. It's not a lot for one day. But it starts to add up. Not to mention, the price of napkins might go up, as well... Even at Chipotle, they removed the napkin area from where customers to get to it. Not to mention, more of a dropping hazard, I would think. They can only do so much. You can say what you would do as a manager, but you also don't know what the manager's bosses are telling them to do. In the end, they probably hope the customer has some way to protect themselves...
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LinkPizza posted...

That still ends up being a ton on napkins wasted and therefore, money wasted. It's not a lot for one day. But it starts to add up. Not to mention, the price of napkins might go up, as well... Even at Chipotle, they removed the napkin area from where customers to get to it. Not to mention, more of a dropping hazard, I would think. They can only do so much. You can say what you would do as a manager, but you also don't know what the manager's bosses are telling them to do. In the end, they probably hope the customer has some way to protect themselves...

I mean, I get just doing your job, but yeah as far as napkins they give a ton in those bags, just give 1 less in the bag, and use one to actually protect the customer, no extra napkins used, in fact, ASK if they even want napkins (not everyone does) and then give them 1 less then normal if they want it, you'd save alot of napkins lol.

My general point though isn't about napkins, it's about actually considering the customers safety. Expecting them to be driving around wearing gloves is a bit much.

Part of it may be my area as well, perhaps in places hit by the virus harder, they are being more careful. There are many ways (not just napkins) to ensure that no cross contamination occurs. You could use tongs etc, you could have one person put the order together and another person actually hand it out (in a basket so they never touch it) etc.

You just actively need to try to prevent it, which people around here are not doing. It does not seem to be a priority, even though just about every fast food place under the sun has sent emails saying how they are being careful and taking precautions etc.

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wolfy42 posted...

I mean, I get just doing your job, but yeah as far as napkins they give a ton in those bags

What I'm saying with the whole Chipotle thing is that that might change soon. Especially if the price goes up. Which it might. I mean, the price went up on them in stores. Suppliers may do the same. And then it's counting napkins. That being said, You could ask them to do that. They may get annoyed. But you can ask if they can do that for your safety. Maybe they will. But because of the wastes time and money, they probably won't unless you ask...

wolfy42 posted...

My general point though isn't about napkins, it's about actually considering the customers safety. Expecting them to be driving around wearing gloves is a bit much.

But not everyone cares about the handling of there food bags since there are people handling the actual food. I'd be more worried about that. Also, if you're going out to get food, you could easily take precaution to get gloves before going there if you think there will be an issue... Even snow gloves or something...

wolfy42 posted...

you could have one person put the order together and another person actually hand it out (in a basket so they never touch it) etc.

Do your stores not do that already? Most places I've gone to (even before the virus) had different people put the order together and give it to the customer...

wolfy42 posted...

You just actively need to try to prevent it, which people around here are not doing. It does not seem to be a priority, even though just about every fast food place under the sun has sent emails saying how they are being careful and taking precautions etc.

Yes. Precautions to protect the food and employees. By doing that, they would also hope to protect the customer. But they can't do everything. If you aren't a fan of how they are doing things, you may not be able to get fast food until this is over...
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LinkPizza posted...

But not everyone cares about the handling of there food bags since there are people handling the actual food. I'd be more worried about that. Also, if you're going out to get food, you could easily take precaution to get gloves before going there if you think there will be an issue... Even snow gloves or something...

The person preparing the food doesn't come in contact with hundreds of customers. If that dude/dudette is sick, pretty much everyone is screwed, and sadly, if the person handing out the food gets sick, that pretty much means the person making the food will as well eventually. They should at least be wearing gloves though, which might help prevent some people from getting it.

Do your stores not do that already? Most places I've gone to (even before the virus) had different people put the order together and give it to the customer...

The stores have one person make the food, and then another take all the individual ingrediants and put it into bags (fries/burgers etc). That person then takes those bags and hands it to the customer. I propose you have 3 people instead of 2. One makes the food, one prepares it and places it into bags, and the final one is the one who takes cash from people, but she/he also takes those bags (with protection so she doesn't actually touch them (IE in a basket etc) and hands them to the customer. This prevents any cross contamination from customers (at no point are you touching something, that other customers have touched (or that the person who is in contact with many customers has touched).

And yeah, I'm not going to fast food again, I did microwave my food before eating it, which should have killed any virus on the food, but ii's not worth the risk. Still most people are being told it's safe to have delivery or go to fast food etc, but the reality is, just 1 person going to such a place and paying with cash, could infect the person handing out the food right now. That person would be in close proximity all day with the cook/person making the food, and BAM before you know it, everyone who eats there could get infected.

Gloves can help, and of course if they show symptoms they probably would stop workign there, but I mean, it's an easy way to quickly spread the virus tbh, and there are simple/easy precautions to avoid it.

It should be noted that you usually have 3 people (at least) at a fast food place, one is dealing with dine in customers, and often you have another who is clearing tables etc, so having 3 people instead of 2, would not be an extra cost, and it would speed up service for the people in line (so you would end up making more of a profit over all that way. You would also ensure the maximum safety of your customers and your employees (as long as the person dealing with the customers wore gloves/a mask, and didn't give out non-bill change (you can use a basket and tongs to hand out cash and recieve it, touching none of it with your gloves directly. Just put a sign up that change will be rounded to the nearest dollar or ignored if it's less than a dollar, if your not ok with that, don't eat there.

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Unfortunately, with people not taking precautions seriously, we now live in a world where you can make no mistakes and still lose.

Brawndo, it has what plants crave!

Here's an interesting article on what the "new normal" might look like when things start to open back up:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/after-social-distancing-strange-purgatory-awaits/610090/

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wolfy42 posted...

The person preparing the food doesn't come in contact with hundreds of customers. If that dude/dudette is sick, pretty much everyone is screwed, and sadly, if the person handing out the food gets sick, that pretty much means the person making the food will as well eventually. They should at least be wearing gloves though, which might help prevent some people from getting it.

Do your stores not do that already? Most places I've gone to (even before the virus) had different people put the order together and give it to the customer...

The stores have one person make the food, and then another take all the individual ingrediants and put it into bags (fries/burgers etc). That person then takes those bags and hands it to the customer. I propose you have 3 people instead of 2. One makes the food, one prepares it and places it into bags, and the final one is the one who takes cash from people, but she/he also takes those bags (with protection so she doesn't actually touch them (IE in a basket etc) and hands them to the customer. This prevents any cross contamination from customers (at no point are you touching something, that other customers have touched (or that the person who is in contact with many customers has touched).

And yeah, I'm not going to fast food again, I did microwave my food before eating it, which should have killed any virus on the food, but ii's not worth the risk. Still most people are being told it's safe to have delivery or go to fast food etc, but the reality is, just 1 person going to such a place and paying with cash, could infect the person handing out the food right now. That person would be in close proximity all day with the cook/person making the food, and BAM before you know it, everyone who eats there could get infected.

Gloves can help, and of course if they show symptoms they probably would stop workign there, but I mean, it's an easy way to quickly spread the virus tbh, and there are simple/easy precautions to avoid it.

It should be noted that you usually have 3 people (at least) at a fast food place, one is dealing with dine in customers, and often you have another who is clearing tables etc, so having 3 people instead of 2, would not be an extra cost, and it would speed up service for the people in line (so you would end up making more of a profit over all that way. You would also ensure the maximum safety of your customers and your employees (as long as the person dealing with the customers wore gloves/a mask, and didn't give out non-bill change (you can use a basket and tongs to hand out cash and recieve it, touching none of it with your gloves directly. Just put a sign up that change will be rounded to the nearest dollar or ignored if it's less than a dollar, if your not ok with that, don't eat there.

Sure. But everything gets touched. Like all the time. From counter tops to random things in the back. It's still easy for things to spread. The most they can do is to constantly wipe down things and change gloves when needed. But even that has it's limits...

wolfy42 posted...

The stores have one person make the food, and then another take all the individual ingrediants and put it into bags (fries/burgers etc). That person then takes those bags and hands it to the customer. I propose you have 3 people instead of 2. One makes the food, one prepares it and places it into bags, and the final one is the one who takes cash from people, but she/he also takes those bags (with protection so she doesn't actually touch them (IE in a basket etc) and hands them to the customer. This prevents any cross contamination from customers (at no point are you touching something, that other customers have touched (or that the person who is in contact with many customers has touched).

Not all stores are going to have enough people to have too many people working the drive-thru. I know many stores are actually cutting hours to have less people at a time there. For my stores, we still have someone at the first window handling money (cash, card, etc.), and one person handing food at the window. But they only grab the bag that's already been put together by someone else. They do make the drinks themselves, though. Since they only hand the bag to the customer, they don't get contaminated, AFAIK, I guess... But every store is different...

wolfy42 posted...

And yeah, I'm not going to fast food again, I did microwave my food before eating it, which should have killed any virus on the food, but ii's not worth the risk. Still most people are being told it's safe to have delivery or go to fast food etc, but the reality is, just 1 person going to such a place and paying with cash, could infect the person handing out the food right now. That person would be in close proximity all day with the cook/person making the food, and BAM before you know it, everyone who eats there could get infected.

Yeah. I just wouldn't go. Plus, if you're microwaving the food, it sounds like the food wouldn't be much better than something frozen, anyway... And it's possible. But if you're that paranoid, then I would definitely stay away from fast food. There's always a chance to get infected, even eating at home. There has to be a limit where you understand that there will always be a risk, even if it's a little one...

wolfy42 posted...

Gloves can help, and of course if they show symptoms they probably would stop workign there, but I mean, it's an easy way to quickly spread the virus tbh, and there are simple/easy precautions to avoid it.

Most places do this already. As soon as someone shows symptoms, they have to go home and be quarantined. But even then, it's already too late for most...
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wolfy42 posted...

It should be noted that you usually have 3 people (at least) at a fast food place, one is dealing with dine in customers, and often you have another who is clearing tables etc, so having 3 people instead of 2, would not be an extra cost, and it would speed up service for the people in line (so you would end up making more of a profit over all that way. You would also ensure the maximum safety of your customers and your employees (as long as the person dealing with the customers wore gloves/a mask, and didn't give out non-bill change (you can use a basket and tongs to hand out cash and receive it, touching none of it with your gloves directly. Just put a sign up that change will be rounded to the nearest dollar or ignored if it's less than a dollar, if your not ok with that, don't eat there.

It could be an extra cost depending on what they other people are doing. Like wiping down stuff in the back. And extra cost isn't the only thing that matters. If they are trying to minimize the amount of people in at a time, they'll work with the bare minimum. Not to mention, if some of their workers are worried about coming in, or are already quarantined, then they may have less workers, but the same times they have to work. You can say all these things about the place, but they are doing what they need to do with the amount of people they have. You can give all these brilliant ideas. But there could be a reason why they are doing it a certain way... And it also might not speed up the service. You're changing the pattern. It would most likely slow down service. Changing the normal pattern does that most of the time... But I do agree with "If you're not ok with what the restaurant is doing, don't eat there"... But they would also have to clean the tongs off every time, too. Like more wipes and time wasted. Especially when most people are worried about that if they're already going to a fast food place.

You have to understand, people are already taking precautions to protect themselves. And to protect the customer. But they can only do so much. I understand that you're in that group of people that need extra precautions. But that means it's up to you to take extra steps to help yourself. Avoiding fast foods altogether might be the best step for you. Most people still going are ok with the precautions being taking. If they aren't, then they stop going to those places. I know many others in the "at risk" group, but even they aren't as paranoid as you are (Except maybe my grandma, but she's always been paranoid, even before the virus, so...). But they will stay away from the danger as much as possible. And wash their hands often, as well... Just being careful is enough to keep the virus at bay. The extra paranoia is a little much...
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Basically letting nature take it's course sounds better than some of the stuff in that article from The Atlantic. Face it, we lost (especially if it reappears in January) and the only thing we can do is let it fizzle out naturally.
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Yeah, I'm still just getting over pnuemonia, so, I'm being extremely careful (mostly), It's hard to do so over such a long period of time though. I still have a cough, but it's not bad and only occasional, but yeah, getting a respiratory virus right now, on top of having High blood pressure and diabetes would be really bad, so I do take it very serioosly.

Enough that I didn't realize the rest of tacoma was mainly going along like normal. The numbers here were so low I thought everyone was staying at home and taking precautions etc, and me shopping at 6 am, reinforced that (as only crazy people like me who were paranoid (doesn't mean they are not right) get up to shop that early lol).

It was just a shock to see the world acting like everything is normal (and by world, I just mean, my world, the city I live in). I swear I would not know there was anything out of the ordinary when I went out, if I hadn't heard it on the news etc. It looked like a normal day (weekend mind you where most people were not working, and one of the first fully nice days of spring...so everyone was out enjoying themselves).

That seriously threw me.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

Bullshit

Go to a grocery store's back room.
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Hop103 posted...

Basically letting nature take it's course sounds better than some of the stuff in that article from The Atlantic. Face it, we lost (especially if it reappears in January) and the only thing we can do is let it fizzle out naturally.

Tell that to your grandmother.

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Revelation34 posted...

Go to a grocery store's back room.

Supplies they won't be able to restock. My place of work has no method to get more gloves after we use the ones we have so we are doing our best to responsibly ration them.

I like that people are following orders in my hometown, I can actually find a place to park at the post office.

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In my town, people still doing stuff as usual with minority of them wears mask. Hell, last night, police and health crew scouring coffee shop to disband the crowd, turns out, there was 2 positive case.

There's also market inside red zone area, which deemed to be closed at least 2 weeks. Market seller re-opened it after 3 days and do their daily life without mask. A week after that, 31 new confirmed case in and near that market.

If there's no jail time or heavy fines involved, people won't give a fuck. They'll started to care after their own family died