Current Events > Interesting opinion piece on the lockdowns...

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Author claims the lockdowns arent really helping.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lockdowns-haven-t-proved-worth-100003823.html

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Yeah I'm sure we'd have the exact same number of cases and deaths if everybody went about their lives as usual

DarthAragorn posted...

Yeah I'm sure we'd have the exact same number of cases and deaths if everybody went about their lives as usual

We'll know more in a few weeks with the states opening their economies back up.

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scorpion41 posted...

We'll know more in a few weeks with the states opening their economies back up.

How will that tell if the lockdowns prevented deaths?

Ruvan22 posted...

How will that tell if the lockdowns prevented deaths?

If cases skyrocket again, I imagine.

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The-Apostle posted...

If cases skyrocket again, I imagine.

This. If theres not a change in the trend, or if the trend goes down, then he says we should question the necessity of locking down. Countries that havent locked down, like Sweden, seem to be doing fine for the most part. Most of Swedens deaths occurred due to the disease sweeping through elderly care homes...a lockdown wouldnt have saved those people.

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Doesn't Texas directly disprove this? Either way, even if things don't skyrocket and they come down, that doesn't mean the lockdowns didn't work. This was always going to eventually go down, you can't say because things don't go up after preventive measures are taken off doesn't mean they didn't work.

Also the idea of the lockdown was to not overwhelm the health care system. Even with the lockdown we had overcrowding in hospitals and massive supply shortages, imagine that without measures. Common sense says it would have been worse if we did nothing. More people getting exposed means more infections means more that may need to stay in the hospital, it's that simple.

scorpion41 posted...

This. If theres not a change in the trend, or if the trend goes down, then he says we should question the necessity of locking down. Countries that havent locked down, like Sweden, seem to be doing fine for the most part. Most of Swedens deaths occurred due to the disease sweeping through elderly care homes...a lockdown wouldnt have saved those people.

Sweden also doesn't have our population and we don't have their health care system.

scorpion41 posted...

This. If theres not a change in the trend, or if the trend goes down, then he says we should question the necessity of locking down. Countries that havent locked down, like Sweden, seem to be doing fine for the most part. Most of Swedens deaths occurred due to the disease sweeping through elderly care homes...a lockdown wouldnt have saved those people.

How wouldn't a lockdown have decreased elderly deaths? Some would have happened but the possibility of asymptomatic carriers visiting their elderly relatives/friends and spreading infection would have been zero...

How would a lockdown not have saved people in nursing homes? Do you guys think nursing homes are allowing visitors during this or something?

people living in nursing homes havent seen their families in months now

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Ruvan22 posted...

How wouldn't a lockdown have decreased elderly deaths? Some would have happened but the possibility of asymptomatic carriers visiting their elderly relatives/friends and spreading infection would have been zero...

thronedfire2 posted...

How would a lockdown not have saved people in nursing homes? Do you guys think nursing homes are allowing visitors during this or something?

people living in nursing homes havent seen their families in months now

Staff go in and out of nursing homes every day. Its not necessarily visitors you have to worry about. My friends dad contracted Covid from a medical worker a few weeks back.

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scorpion41 posted...

Staff go in and out of nursing homes every day. Its not necessarily visitors you have to worry about. My friends dad contracted Covid from a medical worker a few weeks back.

Yeah, and do you know what nursing home staff have been doing? Wearing masks and full ppe every day and getting tested. The virus most likely got into nursing homes from hospitals

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thronedfire2 posted...

Yeah, and do you know what nursing home staff have been doing? Wearing masks and full ppe every day and getting tested. The virus most likely got into nursing homes from hospitals

All it takes is one person getting lax with protocol. Remember the nurse that contracted Ebola while caring for a patient and went home with it? And Ive seen the people who work in nursing homes...not many are your top tier types of individuals.

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Sewage posted...

Also the idea of the lockdown was to not overwhelm the health care system. Even with the lockdown we had overcrowding in hospitals and massive supply shortages, imagine that without measures. Common sense says it would have been worse if we did nothing. More people getting exposed means more infections means more that may need to stay in the hospital, it's that simple.

And now many nurses have been laid off due to hospitals not making enough money. So if cases increase after re-opening, the hospitals will be overwhelmed anyway.

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scorpion41 posted...

Countries that havent locked down, like Sweden, seem to be doing fine for the most part.

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Frolex posted...

Over half were the old folks in nursing homes. Keep up with the conversation, homie.

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In two weeks the entire country is going to look like Italy. Tens of millions of deaths, all blood on Trump's hands.

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scorpion41 posted...

Over half were the old folks in nursing homes

scorpion41 posted...

Over half were the old folks in nursing homes. Keep up with the conversation, homie.

Don't worry. They just blew up a nursing home. Only the elderly died.

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AlephZero posted...

In two weeks the entire country is going to look like Italy. Tens of millions of deaths, all blood on Trump's hands.

Lol.

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scorpion41 posted...

Over half were the old folks in nursing homes. Keep up with the conversation, homie.

Any particular reason that only happened in Sweden?

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Secretly posted...

LordRazziel posted...

Don't worry. They just blew up a nursing home. Only the elderly died.

Because their nursing homes did a shit job at quarantining them, which they took steps to rectify.

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AlephZero posted...

In two weeks the entire country is going to look like Italy. Tens of millions of deaths, all blood on Trump's hands.

That's ridiculous.

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Why are Trumpers always trying to turn people dying into "they were just old people"?

DarthAragorn posted...

Yeah I'm sure we'd have the exact same number of cases and deaths if everybody went about their lives as usual

Yes, in February. All at once.

scorpion41 posted...

Because their nursing homes did a shit job at quarantining them, which they took steps to rectify.

And yet the countries around them that locked down faired far better. Could be a connect there.

You just dismiss the deaths as they're elderly, though.

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Won't affect my area much. I bet literally 90% of households had someone in a Walmart or hardware store for over an hour with hundreds of other people every week.

It's pretty much ensured people funnel to one area with everyone else

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Not going to give this piece of shit any views, tell the doctors and nurses working tirelessly this whole time that lockdowns dont work

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Won't affect my area much. I bet literally 90% of households had someone in a Walmart or hardware store for over an hour with hundreds of other people every week.

It's pretty much ensured people funnel to one area with everyone else

And if they had been going more places, and been around more people, it would have spread more.

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ncsonic posted...

Not going to give this piece of shit any views, tell the doctors and nurses working tirelessly this whole time that lockdowns dont work

Hang on, let me regale you with a product of my dementia-addled brain

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AlephZero posted...

In two weeks the entire country is going to look like Italy. Tens of millions of deaths, all blood on Trump's hands.

Have you ever once in your time here posted anything genuine?

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LordRazziel posted...

And if they had been going more places, and been around more people, it would have spread more.

I guess. Probably makes zero difference one way or the other where I am though. Honestly now that I think of it, funneling to one place is probably worse here with how were set up

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

I guess. Probably makes zero difference one way or the other where I am though. Honestly now that I think of it, funneling to one place is probably worse here with how were set up

Greater number of interactions means more cases. I don't see how closing some business means everyone will suddenly flood to Walmart, leading to more interactions.

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LordRazziel posted...

Greater number of interactions means more cases. I don't see how closing some business means everyone will suddenly flood to Walmart, leading to more interactions.

If anything, walmart and grocery stores are a nexus of contagion.

LordRazziel posted...

Greater number of interactions means more cases. I don't see how closing some business means everyone will suddenly flood to Walmart, leading to more interactions.

I don't see how funneling people wont lead to more interactions and it's most businesses not just some here

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Questionmarktarius posted...

If anything, walmart and grocery stores are a nexus of contagion.

Where people would have gone, regardless.

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It usually isn't the whole town though

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

It usually isn't the whole town though

What do you mean?
How is the lockdown causing the whole town go to Walmart in such great numbers that it's leading to a greater number of interactions, than everyone going to work, gyms, restaurants, clothing stores...

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I found a N95 mask I never knew I had, in a "survival kit" that expired in 2005.
Huh.

I miss my farmers market, clothing stores, sports goods stores, garden centers, electronic stores, and furniture stores

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scorpion41 posted...

All it takes is one person getting lax with protocol. Remember the nurse that contracted Ebola while caring for a patient and went home with it? And Ive seen the people who work in nursing homes...not many are your top tier types of individuals.

Do you not understand the concept of "reducing risk"? Yes, the staff could transmit.. but you can reduce the risk (the whole point of social distancing/lockdowns) by not having family visit.

Ruvan22 posted...

Do you not understand the concept of "reducing risk"? Yes, the staff could transmit.. but you can reduce the risk (the whole point of social distancing/lockdowns) by not having family visit.

Do you understand Ive never advocated allowing family visits?

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scorpion41 posted...

Do you understand Ive never advocated allowing family visits?

So why are you holding up Sweden, which *did* allow them? That... shoots your argument in the foot