Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 298: Blood Sugar Flex Magik

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Jakyl25 posted...

Well okay lets think about this semantically

It wasnt a CRIME when it was state-sanctioned, right?

If we want to be extremely pedantic, it can be argued that the current incarnation of the nation of Germany only starts from the fall of the Berlin Wall

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Also the headline has already been clarified


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Ahaha.

I mean you gotta admit that's pretty funny for how stupid it is.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

If we want to be extremely pedantic, it can be argued that the current incarnation of the nation of Germany only starts from the fall of the Berlin Wall

I think the legal process the used for reunification was actually that each of the East German states seceded from East Germany, and joined West Germany under the clause of the West German basic law that allows German-speaking states to join. So the current Federal Republic of Germany is legally the same as West Germany, and the East German federal state ceased to exist when it lost all of its members. The same process was used to dissolve the USSR (all the member republics seceded).

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Jakyl25 posted...

Headline read:

Anti-Semitic Crime in Germany at Highest Level Recorded

This is Onion level quality headline, really.

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SmartMuffin posted...

Texas reopened two weeks ago.

SmartMuffin also said...

"you can go to this small list of businesses if they comply with these onerous regulations that make it impossible for them to actually turn a profit" is not "opened up."

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We really need Sephy back to make this argument without contradicting himself or leaping into conspiracy theories.

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oh yeah, i just loved those sephy covid posts.

sephy: the lockdown is ridiculous! we didn't do this for the swine flu!

*US covid death toll passes the swine flu death toll*

sephy: the lockdown is ridiculous! we don't do this for the regular flu!

*US covid death toll passes the regular flu death toll*

if he hadn't been purg'd, i'm sure he would have moved the goalposts to the black death by now.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

oh yeah, i just loved those sephy covid posts.

sephy: the lockdown is ridiculous! we didn't do this for the swine flu!

*US covid death toll passes the swine flu death toll*

sephy: the lockdown is ridiculous! we don't do this for the regular flu!

*US covid death toll passes the regular flu death toll*

if he hadn't been purg'd, i'm sure he would have moved the goalposts to the black death by now.

You know, the US (or the land on which the US now stands) had a grand total of zero deaths for the black death. How? We had zero international travel with countries with the disease. A total and complete shutdown on people from disease-ridden countries entering the country...

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Kinglicious posted...

The point of the lockdowns is not eliminate all chance of getting it, it's limit the spread so medical facilities, supplies, and the overall industry could catch up to the uptick of demand. It additionally gave more time to better understand what we're dealing with, which furthers in helping how to properly deal with it. It is not, it never was, and it never could be, a case of locking down to avoid all infection. It's strictly making it manageable to such a degree that proper treatment and care can be given to those who'll need it, flattening the curve was always directly tied to not overwhelming our systems.

I get that some people have moved the goalposts there and will agree they're in the wrong. As do most people and places from the current situation, based on the way things are opening up and the way people are ignoring rules because weather's getting nicer by the day and we clearly prepped too hard. But better that than the opposite. Phased openings continue that trend so yeah, it'll go up for a bit, people who need treatment will get it, then down. Repeat, with better treatments and understanding as each loop occurs to lower critical and severe cases.

Who decides what the goals are here? The fact is that we have demonstrated that R can be brought below 1 (albeit with a very large amount of economic pain) in the United States. Several other countries have demonstrated an ability to maintain R < 1 without that level of lockdown after developing contact tracing protocols (along with some stuff that we have partially adopted, like near-universal use of masks). If a country can maintain R<1, then they can avoid most people getting the disease. Not doing so would be a deliberate choice that would result in, at minimum, hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of American deaths.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

if he hadn't been purg'd, i'm sure he would have moved the goalposts to the black death by now.

I was going to say the bubonic plague had never reached the U.S., but apparently between 1900 and 1908 about 200 people died from it in California. So even if he tried to make the argument, we've kind of already flown past those numbers!

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Not_an_Owl posted...

I was going to say the bubonic plague had never reached the U.S., but apparently between 1900 and 1908 about 200 people died from it in California. So even if he tried to make the argument, we've kind of already flown past those numbers!

That took more than 550 years from when it first reached Europe. I think Sephy would not be concerning himself with such long timescales.

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https://twitter.com/Timodc/status/1265782271866359808

Anyone wanna give betting odds on some Trump supporter attempting to break into mailboxes to steal ballots after having this insane idea planted in their head by Trump? (Thinking of that one woman who voted for Trump in two states in 2016 to try and "balance out" what she was convinced was rampant voter fraud for Clinton)

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Who decides what the goals are here?

that was always the explicit, stated goal. so reality.
that's literally what flatten the curve was, flatten the curve so we don't overwhelm our systems. it was always with direct reference to medical limitations, that was explicitly the entire point.

trying to make the goal something else, or trying to make that mean something else, would be moving the goalpost to something else you want it to be. and to that, reality once again shows up and says people ain't staying home. they're tired of it, weather is good, and those who are mad at the government for some reason will protest. this doesn't mean open up everything, it means phase everything in, which is happening, and expect most places to be open by July.

also the idea of "near universal" usage of mask is funny. especially when everyone who's been out can tell you that there's a good joke for a significant number of mask users. as for contact tracing, old method is fine. new method involving apps is not. hell, there was another on the news caught sending data to facebook and google just a few days ago, to absolutely nobody's surprise. keep the spyware out because that is asking for more pushback than masks.


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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/Timodc/status/1265782271866359808

Anyone wanna give betting odds on some Trump supporter attempting to break into mailboxes to steal ballots after having this insane idea planted in their head by Trump? (Thinking of that one woman who voted for Trump in two states in 2016 to try and "balance out" what she was convinced was rampant voter fraud for Clinton)

Even if there are such people they won't make a difference. Systematic cheating organized by the DNC on other hand.....

Will probably not change anything because they'll pick exactly the wrong counties to cheat in.

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https://twitter.com/Chemjobber/status/1265774490731995137

In addition to being disgusting, this would be extremely bad for the US's own interests.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/Chemjobber/status/1265774490731995137

In addition to being disgusting, this would be extremely bad for the US's own interests.

This should be dead on arrival in the House but it isn't really DOA due to the Dems' total incompetence.

https://twitter.com/TiredFairy/status/1265816684369043456

https://twitter.com/VitalistInt/status/1265815107566739457

https://youtube.com/watch?v=pROomL6IiOw

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man, it's unfortunate how obvious this was gonna be. i remember last month's viral NYC arrest and said that we're just one good case from a massive protest and here we are. you ain't enforcing shit in these scenarios. people are stir crazy already and looking for an excuse. Minneapolis is also going through a series of riots with cops shooting tear gas already.

i mean
how dare these protesters violate lockdown orders. they should be arrested! we're gonna see those media hitpieces right.

...right?


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decided to catch up on Minneapolis figuring surely it can't be that bad right now...

cops lost even with tear gas. apparently chucking golf balls you just stole from Target is really effective.
"whoops"

Autozone is on fire.
Target is probably on fire. if not now, it will be soon from the looks of it.
random liquor stores are getting looted.
grocery stores are looted. still not on fire yet.
random shootings have happened.

rioters are checking all the bingo marks on this one and it ain't even midnight.
some of these "protesters" are wearing masks though! for... pandemic purposes, yeah. that's what it is. >__>;

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I mean, they've tried plenty of peaceful protests before on this.

At a certain point when peace has been tried and change doesn't happen...

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Something about the way you do those posts really skeeves me out, Wang.

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Tony you know how I say some of the left wing things you frequent are a bit too toxic for you?

Wang hangs on the right side version of that, except even further than you.

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red13n posted...

I mean, they've tried plenty of peaceful protests before on this.

At a certain point when peace has been tried and change doesn't happen...

Red, are you condoning looting innocent establishments and violence?


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i'm the guy who'll look at a 10 car pileup as tragic entertainment. like yeah it's obviously bad but there's a sense of wonder for just how far this is gonna go.

i'm also throwing some shade to this situation and comparing it to last month's protests because protest is protest. if you've got a right to protest here then those people also had a right to protest then. no line can be divided on that. considering there's been at least 3 locations with protests now (Minneapolis, LA, Memphis) this also brings up the issue of making organized protests. if any are on facebook then they should be taken down too, for the exact same reason. i mean they won't but consistency says they should be treated the same way.

and bear in mind i do just mean protest, not rioting. that's just always bad. an autozone didn't do anything, target didn't do anything, grocery stores, liquor stores, etc all did absolutely nothing and it's just fucking up communities that need them. but it does all make for some dumb entertainment to everyone not involved.

for an update, power's lost in that area.
autozone has explosions in it, place has flammable chemicals. which... i mean it's an autozone. of course it does. and the fire is spreading as a result.

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The LA Riots were bad but they changed the overall landscape of the region for the better.

If they don't want riots they should change the racist police culture without people feeling like they have to riot.

You can only push people so far before they break.

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Corrik7 posted...

Red, are you condoning looting innocent establishments and violence?

No, but I understand the why.

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i'm sure the ATM that just got bombed was racist.


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you want them to hurt people?

what are you even arguing for.

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oh that's already happened.
hell the rioters also kept throwing rocks and bottles at firefighters.

these people clearly don't care about this neighborhood and it's gonna suck tomorrow for the locals considering grocery stores are gone, liquor stores is gone, the target's gone, and i hope none of them gotta drive because autozone is still on fire hours later.

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It is "interesting" to see how the initial police responses differed between armed protestors storming the State Capitol compared to how they first responded to these protests.

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Definitely. Riot gear, tear gas, that'll just escalate things unnecessarily. That said the protesters do differ and they're likely aware of that. As usual there's a notable split between the people protesting and people rioting. Vast majority are the former but they treat everyone like the latter and it's a major issue across all departments that makes these areas feel like they're completely expendable. "Oh the black neighborhood is on fire, just make a line and let them figure it out. Put out literal fires as needed."

A bank did get raided. So who knows what the fallout of that one will be as feds tend to get mad when their shit is hit too.

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Charge the officer with all damages.

red13n posted...

You can only push people so far before they break.

So you agree with eddv when he said assaulting random white people was justified because they could only be pushed so far "before they break" when a black cop shot a black man who had a gun in Charlotte?

Everything being done in regards to looting and violence in response is just as much as a crime as what they perceive to be a crime here.

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I told you I don't condone it.

But it was always an inevitable outcome if things didn't change.

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Anyway, who wants a broad spread of various news?

well too bad you're getting it right now

Voting Edition:

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/05/27/texas-vote-by-mail-coronavirus/

Texas's Supreme Court ruled against expanding mail-in voting to allow voters who are fearful of contracting the coronavirus as sufficient for being allowed to vote by mail... and they ruled this by teleconference. Strictly speaking they ruled that a lack of immunity to the coronavirus alone was insufficient but left some vagueness that if you had additional pre-existing conditions that elevate your risk it might qualify. ...But they made this ruling on the basis that it was "highly improbable" that voters would contract the virus which "okay." At least they rejected the Texas AG's call to stop sending absentee ballots to voters who claim a disability.

In related news, Florida had a 17 month probe into VOTER FRAUD after Trump and Rick Scott whined endlessly during the 2018 election because "oh no as more votes are coming in the gap is closing HOW CAN THIS BE!!!!?"

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/05/21/a-trump-election-conspiracy-collapses-1285442

Surprise, no widespread voter fraud found. The Republican Supervisor of Elections in Broward County reviewed the 709,180 votes cast and they found... 21 cases of people voting twice and 1 case of a non-citizen voting. A grand total of 0.003% of all votes cast in the county. They did find that a heavy Republican leaning county may have broken the law by letting a dozen votes be emailed in and counted. You might recall this as an area recovering from Hurricane Michael at the time. But state prosecutors said there was too little evidence to bring a case for this.

COVID-19 Edition:

https://twitter.com/BrianSimsPA/status/1265787518974377991

In Pennsylvania, the State GOP knew that one of their members tested positive for COVID-19 and had interacted with Democratic members, and then hid this fact from the Democrats who obviously would go on to be with their families. Including a rep (this thread is his) who is immunocompromised after having donated a kidney to a neighbor a few months ago.

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I am going to make some unpopular post so don't read

But I am wondering if fighting against "police racism" is really the right fight...and if it's not a general problem of the police in general. I mean, are those trigger happy policeman really just...racist? can we know for sure that in the past, against white people, they were more "civil"?
How many times are white people getting killed for no reason by the police? do we have the data for that? maybe it's happening and getting less coverage in the news because it's "boring"?
The 2017 swatting incident victim was a white person, for example. It was just trigger happniess. I feel like that's the real problem

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Are you aware of the details of the specific case people are currently protesting?

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Suprak the Stud posted...

Are you aware of the details of the specific case people are currently protesting?

Of course
It's disugsting and undefendable

But once again it turns into "Black Lives Matter" matter
No, this is not the fight. The fight is against the Trigger Happy policeman. This is what they should be fighting against

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Nanis23 posted...

No, this is not the fight. The fight is against the Trigger Happy policeman. This is what they should be fighting against

can't we fight against both trigger happy policemen AND racism in the police?

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...He wasn't trigger happy. That's probably why he asked. There's literally no gun involved.

Pinning someone to the ground by putting your knee on their neck for 8-9 minutes isn't trigger anything, that's deliberate and is for quite a long time, way more than you need to subdue someone, hell way more than you need to KO someone.

This one's straight up an issue of power tripping cops with a possibility of racism. But trigger happy =/= power tripping, former shows lack of control, latter shows too much of it. But if your issue is they may have too much power i mean sure, valid argument, but there's no power shown here that he shouldn't have. Restraining someone? Coming by on a tip of illegal activities? Even the specific restraint is probably fine. He simply abused his authority.

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Kinglicious posted...

He simply abused his authority.

Then this is what I mean as well
I am just saying I feel like that same person could have done the same thing if the victim was a white man that annoyed him. He is just a scum

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Nanis23 posted...

Then this is what I mean as well
I am just saying I feel like that same person could have done the same thing if the victim was a white man that annoyed him. He is just a scum

He would never have done this if it was a white man. That's the point.

Its pretty much just racism btw.

Attempts to downplay it are laughable and more often than not guided by people pushing a racist agenda.

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It wasnt an abuse of authority so much as evidence that police culture at large doesnt consider certain people to be humans worthy of basic rights or dignity.


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Also its about more than one man, multiple other cops just stood around and watched it happen.

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btw the news hasnt shown the whole video because it is too disturbing for TV so most people haven't seen the whole thing. It wasn't just him restraining him. The officer actively taunts him and gives him commands that he literally cannot follow while restrained like that.

It wasn't just abuse of authority, it was downright inhuman.

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Kinglicious posted...

...He wasn't trigger happy. That's probably why he asked. There's literally no gun involved.

Pinning someone to the ground by putting your knee on their neck for 8-9 minutes isn't trigger anything, that's deliberate and is for quite a long time, way more than you need to subdue someone, hell way more than you need to KO someone.

This one's straight up an issue of power tripping cops with a possibility of racism. But trigger happy =/= power tripping, former shows lack of control, latter shows too much of it. But if your issue is they may have too much power i mean sure, valid argument, but there's no power shown here that he shouldn't have. Restraining someone? Coming by on a tip of illegal activities? Even the specific restraint is probably fine. He simply abused his authority.

^
There is a difference between trigger happy and being a sociopath. And neither discounts the influence of racism on his actions.

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Im gonna be the guy that Wang was rightfully busting the media for not being

All mass protesting for ANY REASON during a pandemic is IDIOTIC

Youre gonna harm your community virally more than the police would
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btw i had never watched the whole video til a bit ago. He passes out about 3 minutes in immediately after complaining about being unable to breathe(For the umpteenth time) and then audibly gasping for air. The officer uses this as an opportunity to shove his neck into the ground harder.

The people around realize what just happened, when they approach, the officer pulls mace out on them.

Hes been passed out and unresponsive for over 3 minutes when EMT's finally arrive, the offiicers knee has never left his neck.

One of the officers shoves one of the bystanders back from the street, they shouts at them not to touch them(The initiated all contact).

Its just outright murder.

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