Current Events > Do you guys... not realize a question is not offensive?

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Giant yikes guys.

This is why racism and bigotry is so prevalent. If you ask a genuine question about something you dont understand, you get modded?

Are you serious?

Wont that just upset people who dont deal with certain lifestyles and views and make them less likely to accept it?

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K

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Idk the context behind this topic but if I were to tell someone "Why are you so fucking stupid?" you can bet your ass that I'm getting modded for that lol
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Lord_Wombat posted...

K

Trolling.

But seriously. What makes a mod think hm. This guy asked a question about transgenderism without using insults or slurs. Clearly his intent is to be offensive even though there is a civil discourse happening! I shall moderate him!

Like, how are people spose to understand each other if people just block and erase different viewpoints?

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What did you ask?
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LightningAce11 posted...

What did you ask?

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LightningAce11 posted...

What did you ask?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78757314

post #80.

I thought being transgender was changing your sex via surgery. So I asked what is the difference between a transgender who hasnt transitioned and a someone who cross dresses.

But apparently thats offensive?

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Giant yikes guys.

This is why racism and bigotry is so prevalent. If you ask a genuine question about something you dont understand, you get modded?

Are you serious?

Wont that just upset people who dont deal with certain lifestyles and views and make them less likely to accept it?

Bro you're on the most left-leaning board on the most left-leaning site during the period in history when censorship and groupthink are at their all-time highest. If you wanna question something, write it in your diary. Ask dead relatives. Get a Magic 8 Ball. But don't post it online.

BallroomBetch posted...

Bro you're on the most left-leaning board on the most left-leaning site during the period in history when censorship and groupthink are at their all-time highest. If you wanna question something, write it in your diary. Ask dead relatives. Get a Magic 8 Ball. But don't post it online.

deep thoughts from a gamefaqs.gamespot.com alt

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BallroomBetch posted...

Bro you're on the most left-leaning board on the most left-leaning site

lmfao what are you smoking

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this happened

Im legitimately bothered by this.

I dont have any friends or RL people who are apart of the LGBT thing. Most of my upbringing was around people who were against it. And my closest friends dont even agree with homosexuality.

I dont use social media besides this place, so I genuinely only learn of that side of things here. But whenever I have questions about it, people either get severely defensive, or I get modded. I can never actually have a helpful discussion to learn.

So then Im just stuck with assumptions that make me look like an ass.

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MrToothHasYou posted...

lmfao what are you smoking

seriously the trolls here have no idea how good they have it on this site

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Same happened to me, but i dont remember what exactly since i have a bad memory to begin with

I just try not to comment in the topics mostly, i dont understand much so I am going to inadvertently offend someone without knowing again

cuttin_in_farm posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78757314

post #80.

I thought being transgender was changing your sex via surgery. So I asked what is the difference between a transgender who hasnt transitioned and a someone who cross dresses.

But apparently thats offensive?

I had thoughts like that too in the past, someone explained it to me that it's not the same because the person physically and mentally feels like they should be the opposite sex. That it eats away inside of them that they're not the sex that they want to be. It's not as simple as changing outfits. They also provided scientific links on how transgender people's brain waves/patterns are more similar to the sex that they want instead of the sex that they are currently, so it's basically someone inside the wrong body.

I can't remember everything about the post since it been years ago. Sorry
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Tbh you can probably clear that up just by looking at the first paragraph or two of the Wikipedia article on transgender.

In some ways the question is so dumb to somebody in the know it's kinda like walking up to some Asians and asking what the difference between Chinese and Japanese are because you thought they were all the same. They may be so ignorant they genuinely don't know the question is offensive, but somebody asking that online would be trolling 99% of the time.

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Jabodie posted...

Tbh you can probably clear that up just by looking at the first paragraph or two of the Wikipedia article on transgender.

In some ways the question is so dumb to somebody in the know it's kinda like walking up to some Asians and asking what the difference between Chinese and Japanese are because you thought they were all the same. They may be so ignorant they genuinely don't know the question is offensive, but somebody asking that online would be trolling 99% of the time.

Do you seriously think this stuff is common knowledge? At all? Most Americans do not have to personally deal with anyone who is transgender.

How the hell are people expected to just know what social transitioning and stuff is? Thats very close-minded, ironically.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Do you seriously think this stuff is common knowledge? At all? Most Americans do not have to personally deal with anyone who is transgender.

How the hell are people expected to just know what social transitioning and stuff is? Thats very close-minded, ironically.

I mean you could read the Wikipedia article if you're really this behind. Like legitimately. I checked and the very first paragraph on transgender answers your question you were modded for. You haven't put the bare minimum effort to figure it out. You have Google.

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Jabodie posted...

I mean you could read the Wikipedia article if you're really this behind. Like legitimately. I checked and the very first paragraph on transgender answers your question you were modded for. You haven't put the bare minimum effort to figure it out. You have Google.

Well asking in the middle of a discussion seems decent if you're already in it, but it would be off to start a discussion with something like that.

It just feels like some people have to deal with so many assholes they start to assume everyone is, and i dont blame anyone for thinking that way because sadly most people are assholes

And as an Asian person, I have been asked questions like my example by friends who generally didn't mean harm. But I would never imagine it would be asked in good faith on GameFAQs.

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By googling the terms? Like cmon man.

You act like you're above doing any sort of research. It's like when you enter one of those topics where they discussed a celebrity who recently passed away but you have no idea who they are. You can do the classless thing and type "Who?" or you can actually google them and save everyone a headache

SkylightNight posted...

By googling the terms? Like cmon man.

You act like you're above doing any sort of research. It's like when you enter one of those topics where they discussed a celebrity who recently passed away but you have no idea who they are. You can do the classless thing and type "Who?" or you can actually google them and save everyone a headache

Well we know in those cases, the person asking who is doing a bit of trolling tbh.

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@Jabodie

Thats ignoring the point. This is a message board.

By your logic, every random question about social issues shouldnt be asked because you can Google it.

I was modded for being offensive. Its one thing if they thought I was trolling. Modding things you personally dont agree with (because lets face it, thats what it was. A mod didnt agree with the idea. Even though I didnt call anyone cross dressers), is not a productive way to handle social issues. Full stop.

But anyone using even the slightest bit of context clues can discern my question is genuine. And Mods shouldnt be allowed to mod a post that is included in a chain of replies without first reading the chain. Otherwise you get stupid shit like this.

Unless you dont have to be an adult to be a moderator here, we should be able to confidently discern who is trolling and who isnt. I didnt escalate to insults or jokes. I asked a question since the conversation I was having was relevant. I only asked the question because a previous post didnt make sense to me with the knowledge available.

I wasnt aware I should research facts online after every post when a poster is willingly answering for me.

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There are trans users on this board, ask them.
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I also treat gamefaqs.gamespot.com as a place for purely academic discussions where nobody has ever feigned ignorance or assumed the noble role of "devil's advocate" just to start shit. Not once

/s

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MacadamianNut3 posted...

I also treat gamefaqs.gamespot.com as a place for purely academic discussions where nobody has ever feigned ignorance or assumed the noble role of "devil's advocate" just to start shit. Not once

/s

Are people truly this pessimistic?

Its like, if you lack information about a topic, people will legit just assume youre a terrible person and write you off. It makes it extremely difficult to even become educated.

Hell, I thought I had a good grasp on the topic, but then I learned new stuff from that very topic.

But I know for a fact if I dispute the moderation explaining myself, the mods will just ignore it and uphold it with no explanation.

This isnt even the first time. I initially thought transgenderism was a mental illness. Because the person thinks theyre in the wrong body. A user here attacked me for it, and when I tried to ask how its physical, they told me I would just gaslight them or something.

Even now, apparently transgenderism isnt an illness, according to the topic. But a symptom of gender dysphoria or whatever.

Its like, this is my issue. We should be able to tell who has ill intent and who is serious. Assuming people who ask ignorant questions are bigots or trolls is not productive nor empathetic.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

By your logic, every random question about social issues shouldnt be asked because you can Google it.

Indeed, I do think you should at least check the very definition of the terms being discussed when talking about sensitive topics. For instance, imagine how much headache would be saved if people bothered to read and understand the definition of white privilege is prior to polluting conversations.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

I was modded for being offensive. Its one thing if they thought I was trolling. Modding things you personally dont agree with (because lets face it, thats what it was. A mod didnt agree with the idea. Even though I didnt call anyone cross dressers), is not a productive way to handle social issues. Full stop.

People IRL have called me Chino, but they really aren't aware it was offensive. Idk how the rules are worded on GFAQs tbh, so idk if you should have been moderated, but offensive content is offensive regardless of if the person doing it is aware. I won't speak to what exactly is and isn't offensive in the transgender community since I don't keep up with it so much, but equation transgenderism with cross dressing is certainly a red flag.

If you believe intent to be offensive matters in whether or not something is offensive, we're gonna disagree there and you're not going to change my opinion.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

I wasnt aware I should research facts online after every post when a poster is willingly answering for me.

You ought to consider it. Researching would have answered your questions more quickly and effectively. If you ever wondered "what exactly does it mean to be transgender?", 5 minutes of Wikipedia would have gone a long way.

I can understand legitimately being ignorant and legitimately asking. But that post by itself is trolling like 90% of the time. Generally, people who are genuinely partaking in these conversations actually do a little research prior to getting into discussions.

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Anyway TC, I should note I'm not trying to say or imply that you're dumb or bad or something (but that's probably how I came off). I just legitimately believe there should be a period of due diligence/ research that's undertaken prior to discussing sensitive topics. And not being aware something is offensive doesn't make it any less offensive.

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MacadamianNut3 posted...

I also treat gamefaqs.gamespot.com as a place for purely academic discussions where nobody has ever feigned ignorance or assumed the noble role of "devil's advocate" just to start shit. Not once

/s

If someone feigns ignorance or even a few people, does that mean that nobody can ask a genuine question?

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Connotation is a big deal.
There's a large difference between, "I don't have much experience with transgender issues. Is body dysmorphia enough to be considered transgendered, or do they have to fully transition?"
Versus,
"Wait, so someone who thinks theyre in the wrong body is a transgender? They dont have to actually change first?"

The casual and exclamatory style of writing comes of as disingenuous. Even this topic comes off as disingenuous.
"Do you guys... not realize" - is classic concern trolling.

If you're really asking a question, form a question that isn't presumptuous. And maybe do the tiniest bit of research when talking about sensitive issues.

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Proofpyros posted...

Did you read that topic though? It really feels like in that context it was an honest discussion with a back and forth

I mean I probably wouldn't have modded him. But people can genuinely ask very offensive questions. IRL some empathy should definitely be used. But not everybody is going to read the post on the whole context. There's a high chance people will go to the last post/few pages, see the post out of context, and be offended. Which, imo, is enough to be considered offensive, and is probably why it was marked in the first place.

I can understand disagreeing with that stance, but I think it's fairly defensible.

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OP good for you for trying to become educated on transgender issues etc. Let me know if you wanna chat about it and I can answer any questions

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BallroomBetch posted...

Bro you're on the most left-leaning board on the most left-leaning site

Sigless user logic
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ChocoboMog123 posted...

Connotation is a big deal.
There's a large difference between, "I don't have much experience with transgender issues. Is body dysmorphia enough to be considered transgendered, or do they have to fully transition?"
Versus,
"Wait, so someone who thinks theyre in the wrong body is a transgender? They dont have to actually change first?"

The casual and exclamatory style of writing comes of as disingenuous.

You cant be serious.

Ignoring the fact I posted:

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Ill be honest, Im not very well informed on this. I still thought it was a mental illness for example. But now people are saying its a physical one. So I mean no offense to what Im saying or asking.

as post 73, posting casually is not a sign of being disingenuous.

It might be a sign of skepticism, but not disingenuousness. Thats reaching.

Jabodie posted...

There's a high chance people will go to the last post/few pages, see the post out of context, and be offended. Which, imo, is enough to be considered offensive, and is probably why it was marked in the first place.

If you believe this, then I totally disagree with you 100%. This is why misinformation is so rampant already. Nobody looking at context and being complacent with passing judgement/offense off of out of context phrases.

The irony of saying I should do due diligence on sensitive topics while others are free to not do so for me.

Id go as far as to say arrogant, tbh.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78757314

post #80.

I thought being transgender was changing your sex via surgery. So I asked what is the difference between a transgender who hasnt transitioned and a someone who cross dresses.

But apparently thats offensive?

Yeah that's a very reasonable question if you don't know.

There was nothing hateful about the question, it shouldn't have been deleted.

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Jabodie posted...

Indeed, I do think you should at least check the very definition of the terms being discussed when talking about sensitive topics. For instance, imagine how much headache would be saved if people bothered to read and understand the definition of white privilege is prior to polluting conversations.

And also, just to elaborate on why I think this suggestion is unrealistic.

People dont know what they dont know.

I.E., I thought I knew what a transgender was. However responses contradicted what I originally thought to be true, so I was asking questions.

One does not research about arithmetic, for example, before contributing to a conversation on it. Most people believe they know it well enough, even if they may not be good at math.

But new concepts and ideas they were not aware of cause them to realize they have questions.

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Jabodie posted...

Anyway TC, I should note I'm not trying to say or imply that you're dumb or bad or something (but that's probably how I came off). I just legitimately believe there should be a period of due diligence/ research that's undertaken prior to discussing sensitive topics. And not being aware something is offensive doesn't make it any less offensive.

It kinda does make it less offensive.

I don't really understand how anybody feels justified thinking that a person with no offensive or hurtful intent saying something should be thought of as malicious.

I think most of us are starting way too far in the "of course it's fine to suppress conversation if it offends people" camp. We should have good faith discussions that aren't looking to be offended but instead only moderate people with malice.

In the context of good faith discussions I personally can't think of anything that should be considered offensive.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

And also, just to elaborate on why I think this suggestion is unrealistic.

People dont know what they dont know.

I.E., I thought I knew what a transgender was. However responses contradicted what I originally thought to be true, so I was asking questions.

One does not research about arithmetic, for example, before contributing to a conversation on it. Most people believe they know it well enough, even if they may not be good at math.

But new concepts and ideas they were not aware of cause them to realize they have questions.

And what's better is you acknowledged you didn't know and were asking.

Most people on the internet just act like know it alls on every topic.

Idk why we even have this place if honest good faith discussion is sometimes considered "offensive".

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

as post 73, posting casually is not a sign of being disingenuous.

It might be a sign of skepticism, but not disingenuousness. Thats reaching.

And that's why post 73 didn't get modded.
But the whole first post in this topic and your style in post 80 do look disingenuous.
People also question the holocaust or Sandy Hook shooting. Asking questions doesn't necessarily mean you are being genuine or inquisitive. Again, if you want people to take your questions seriously don't be presumtuous in the questions themselves.

And please stop saying "a transgender." You are not "a white" or "a cis," you are a straight person - or, more preferably, a person who is straight. Calling someone "a descriptor" is often implicitly offensive.

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And now you know that crossdressing got nothing to do with being born in the wrong body.

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

But the whole first post in this topic and your style in post 80 do look disingenuous.

So why are people jumping to conclusions about comments that have context missing? Shouldnt they be finding the context first? I know people dont, but do you think they shouldnt have to?

And again,

cuttin_in_farm posted...

posting casually is not a sign of being disingenuous.

It might be a sign of skepticism, but not disingenuousness. Thats reaching.

I shouldnt have to restate post 73 every time I reply. It is the job of the reader to start from the beginning if a post seems strange or potentially offends.

ChocoboMog123 posted...

And please stop saying "a transgender." You are not "a white" or "a cis," you are a straight person - or, more preferably, a person who is straight. Calling someone "a descriptor" is often implicitly offensive.

Im not a fan of correcting people with criticism but no solution. Its not productive.

What should I use when referring to transgender people?

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Foppe posted...

And now you know that crossdressing got nothing to do with being born in the wrong body.

Never thought it did.

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Foppe posted...

And now you know that crossdressing got nothing to do with being born in the wrong body.

I'd imagine there are some people who crossdress to experiment with their gender roles/identity. Which I imagine is something society would say is ok.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

I wasnt aware I should research facts online after every post when a poster is willingly answering for me.

If you're not even willing to put in a very minimal amount of work to learn, of course you don't come off as genuine.

If you also argue that "this is why people are transphobic", well...

Maybe don't play the victim and spend 30 seconds on Wikipedia

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scar the 1 posted...

If you're not even willing to put in a very minimal amount of work to learn, of course you don't come off as genuine.

If you also argue that "this is why people are transphobic", well...

Maybe don't play the victim and spend 30 seconds on Wikipedia

Let's be real, just about everybody here goes into discussions without doing research first. It's part of what discussions are for, asking questions.

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Comparing transpeople to crossdressers is a tactic used by transphobes to dismiss their validity and turn it into this weird paraphilic thing. You may be ignorant about it, but it's still p offensive.

Also CE is incredibly stubborn when it comes to gender issues. People here will concern troll, shitpost and never engage (at least in good faith) in any meaningful discussion. Nobody changes their minds, and it's frustrating af.

Idk, tag some of the trans posters or message them personally if you actually care.

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This topic is painful to read. It looks like a lot of people are just searching for ways to be offended. There's no room for actual discussion anymore.
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joe40001 posted...

Let's be real, just about everybody here goes into discussions without doing research first. It's part of what discussions are for, asking questions.

Most people here who go into discussions aren't interested in learning anything or asking genuine questions. They're usually interested in telling the world they're right.

If a person were generally interested, they would not shy away from reading the summary paragraph on a Wikipedia page

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thing is that all oph this has been discussed phor years, both on gamephaqs and on other sites, so the people asking such questions are usually trolls

it leads to unphortunate misunderstandings

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