Board 8 > I learned that a Sonic OC (do not steal) made it into an official Sonic game.

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TheRock1525 08/09/20 12:46:43 AM #1:	And I'm not talking the CAC from Sonic Forces, although apparently that's where the character originated. A person who used to draw Sonic OCs on Tumblr eventually got hired to draw actual Sonic characters for their comic book. She got together with the writer for the comic and create this character called Whisper the Wolf and they introduced into the comic two years ago. Now keep in mind Sonic comics have been around since like 1992, with Archie publishing them up until 2017 and then IDW taking over. There's a shit ton of OCs they made over the years, not to mention absorbing the old OCs from that early 90's cartoon. It's pretty comical how many fucking echidnas they made over the years: But it seems Whisper (and another character named Tangle) proved so popular that not only did they get their own miniseries with IDW before any of the regulars (like Shadow, Tails, or Knuckles), in July this year, they added Whisper there to two sonic games. Sonic Dash and Sonic Forces: Speed Battle. https://twitter.com/SEGAHARDlight/status/1284156383223586818 So why share this little story? To be honest, while a fan of the Sonic games and once an avid Sonic comic reader, it actually seems really cool to me that people in the fanbase who seem to have a much bigger love and devotion to this series than I do to the point where they do create characters like this, after decades of largely viewed the "bad" side of the Sonic fandom, finally get some level of validation of their fanhood by having SEGA actively acknowledge it in basically one of the best ways possible. I think it's a great example of a more tolerant society towards a group of actively maligned people (in this case furries) to help reduce some level of prejudice against them. A furry who started out drawing on Tumblr helps create a character so popular that fucking SEGA puts it in their games. Also I wish Ed Bellis was here because he was a huge Sonic comic fan, too, and I'd love to hear what he thinks. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943166337] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>And I'm not talking the CAC from Sonic Forces, although apparently that's where the character originated. A person who used to draw Sonic OCs on Tumblr eventually got hired to draw actual Sonic characters for their comic book. She got together with the writer for the comic and create this character called Whisper the Wolf and they introduced into the comic two years ago. Now keep in mind Sonic comics have been around since like 1992, with Archie publishing them up until 2017 and then IDW taking over. There's a shit ton of OCs they made over the years, not to mention absorbing the old OCs from that early 90's cartoon. It's pretty comical how many fucking echidnas they made over the years: But it seems Whisper (and another character named Tangle) proved so popular that not only did they get their own miniseries with IDW before any of the regulars (like Shadow, Tails, or Knuckles), in July this year, they added Whisper there to two sonic games. Sonic Dash and Sonic Forces: Speed Battle. https://twitter.com/SEGAHARDlight/status/1284156383223586818 So why share this little story? To be honest, while a fan of the Sonic games and once an avid Sonic comic reader, it actually seems really cool to me that people in the fanbase who seem to have a much bigger love and devotion to this series than I do to the point where they do create characters like this, after decades of largely viewed the "bad" side of the Sonic fandom, finally get some level of validation of their fanhood by having SEGA actively acknowledge it in basically one of the best ways possible. I think it's a great example of a more tolerant society towards a group of actively maligned people (in this case furries) to help reduce some level of prejudice against them. A furry who started out drawing on Tumblr helps create a character so popular that fucking SEGA puts it in their games. Also I wish Ed Bellis was here because he was a huge Sonic comic fan, too, and I'd love to hear what he thinks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punnyz 08/09/20 12:49:55 AM #2:	IIRC This one weirdo inserted his own OCs into the story then when he left (or got fired) he continued writing them and it was legal because apparently he didn't sign any documents saying they were Sega propery or they got lost or something so yea, OCs in official stuff happen if the writers are ascended fans --- https://imgur.com/qBpLe47 https://imgur.com/25MHSn1 <cite>Punnyz posted [p:943166403] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>IIRC This one weirdo inserted his own OCs into the story then when he left (or got fired) he continued writing them and it was legal because apparently he didn't sign any documents saying they were Sega propery or they got lost or something so yea, OCs in official stuff happen if the writers are ascended fans </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 12:55:09 AM #3:	Punnyz posted... IIRC This one weirdo inserted his own OCs into the story then when he left (or got fired) he continued writing them and it was legal because apparently he didn't sign any documents saying they were Sega propery or they got lost or something so yea, OCs in official stuff happen if the writers are ascended fans You're talking the Ken Penders situation, where it shows you how little SEGA and Sonic Team gave a shit about the comic when they couldn't produce the basic paper work that let keep the characters he came up with under his tenure as lead writer. But like shoving OCs into the comic isn't anything new. It's been done for almost 30 years this point. Good Lord especially echidnas under Ken Penders. That was just the ones that were related to Knuckles. And during that time period, it wasn't exactly people who had grown up making Sonic OCs writing and drawing for the comic. That wouldn't come until Ken was finally gotten rid of for Ian Flynn in the mid 2000's. But even then, none of the comic characters ever got a hint of being in the games. Not even super popular ones like Sally from the original Saturday morning cartoon that lived on in the comics. So yeah to me this seems like a huge win for that community. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943166534] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Punnyz posted... </cite> <quote>IIRC This one weirdo inserted his own OCs into the story then when he left (or got fired) he continued writing them and it was legal because apparently he didn't sign any documents saying they were Sega propery or they got lost or something so yea, OCs in official stuff happen if the writers are ascended fans</quote>You're talking the Ken Penders situation, where it shows you how little SEGA and Sonic Team gave a shit about the comic when they couldn't produce the basic paper work that let keep the characters he came up with under his tenure as lead writer. But like shoving OCs into the comic isn't anything new. It's been done for almost 30 years this point. Good Lord especially echidnas under Ken Penders. That was just the ones that were related to Knuckles. And during that time period, it wasn't exactly people who had grown up making Sonic OCs writing and drawing for the comic. That wouldn't come until Ken was finally gotten rid of for Ian Flynn in the mid 2000's. But even then, none of the comic characters ever got a hint of being in the games. Not even super popular ones like Sally from the original Saturday morning cartoon that lived on in the comics. So yeah to me this seems like a huge win for that community. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punnyz 08/09/20 1:03:07 AM #4:	also I think that happened in Power Rangers too? --- https://imgur.com/qBpLe47 https://imgur.com/25MHSn1 <cite>Punnyz posted [p:943166722] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>also I think that happened in Power Rangers too? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 08/09/20 1:14:53 AM #5:	Actually the whole reason Ken Penders filed that lawsuit to assert control over the characters he created was because this DID happen once before, technically--the Nocturnus Clan in Sonic Chronicles for DS were basically Penders' Dark Legion, just with a different name --- https://imgur.com/k0v0z3q <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:943166980] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Actually the whole reason Ken Penders filed that lawsuit to assert control over the characters he created was because this DID happen once before, technically--the Nocturnus Clan in Sonic Chronicles for DS were basically Penders' Dark Legion, just with a different name </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 1:23:34 AM #6:	Which normally I would root for a creative type asserting their right to what they created but Ken Penders has proven to be a mad-lad who A) put a character in his recent comic that is clearly the traced head of Anthony Mackie and B) had a prolonged discussion on Twitter about how he wish he could have depicted Knuckles and his OC Julie-Su having sex in the the comic. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943167165] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Which normally I would root for a creative type asserting their right to what they created but Ken Penders has proven to be a mad-lad who A) put a character in his recent comic that is clearly the traced head of Anthony Mackie and B) had a prolonged discussion on Twitter about how he wish he could have depicted Knuckles and his OC Julie-Su having sex in the the comic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 1:31:00 AM #7:	Sorry, I was mistaken. It was actually Sally from the cartoon and his OC Geoffrey St John (a skunk). --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943167304] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Sorry, I was mistaken. It was actually Sally from the cartoon and his OC Geoffrey St John (a skunk). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 08/09/20 1:43:21 AM #8:	There was a story he managed to get in that heavily implies that an evil clone of Sonic had sex with Bunnie Rabbot without her knowing it wasn't actually Sonic --- https://imgur.com/k0v0z3q <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:943167574] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>There was a story he managed to get in that heavily implies that an evil clone of Sonic had sex with Bunnie Rabbot without her knowing it wasn't actually Sonic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 08/09/20 2:06:29 AM #9:	Wait wasn't Bunnie's entire lower body robotic --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:943168026] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Wait wasn't Bunnie's entire lower body robotic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi1 08/09/20 2:15:09 AM #10:	TheRock1525 posted... Sorry, I was mistaken. It was actually Sally from the cartoon and his OC Geoffrey St John (a skunk). Ew what the fuck... --- PSN, and GT: Waluigi1 Switch FC: SW-6848-3841-9099 <cite>Waluigi1 posted [p:943168172] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>Sorry, I was mistaken. It was actually Sally from the cartoon and his OC Geoffrey St John (a skunk). </quote>Ew what the fuck... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 2:16:12 AM #11:	I mean I don't think they had sex, I think they just made out. He also made out with Rouge and an OC named Fiona Fox. But yeah, he invented an evil zone Sonic that was literally just Sonic wearing a biker jacket and sunglasses. Of course the new writer and artists gave him a nice little redesign and personality so of course when someone actually fixed Penders stupid idea he had to take it away. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943168194] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>I mean I don't think they had sex, I think they just made out. He also made out with Rouge and an OC named Fiona Fox. But yeah, he invented an evil zone Sonic that was literally just Sonic wearing a biker jacket and sunglasses. Of course the new writer and artists gave him a nice little redesign and personality so of course when someone actually fixed Penders stupid idea he had to take it away. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 2:19:23 AM #12:	StealThisSheen posted... Wait wasn't Bunnie's entire lower body robotic And yet in a future arc Bunnie and Antoine from the cartoon have kids. I have no idea how. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943168240] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite> <quote>Wait wasn't Bunnie's entire lower body robotic</quote> And yet in a future arc Bunnie and Antoine from the cartoon have kids. I have no idea how. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 2:24:04 AM #13:	Waluigi1 posted... Ew what the fuck... It got worse: --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943168302] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Waluigi1 posted... </cite> <quote>Ew what the fuck...</quote>It got worse: </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 2:28:19 AM #14:	Much https://twitter.com/KenPenders/status/1115389930002235392 Much https://twitter.com/KenPenders/status/1115408633058062336 Worse https://twitter.com/KenPenders/status/1115380174445404160 --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943168378] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Much https://twitter.com/KenPenders/status/1115389930002235392 Much https://twitter.com/KenPenders/status/1115408633058062336 Worse https://twitter.com/KenPenders/status/1115380174445404160 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Captain_Sorzo 08/09/20 4:02:57 AM #15:	The Ken Penders rabbit hole is fascinating. It's a horrifying nightmare, yet I keep finding myself drawn to the grim spectacle of it all. I'm glad Sega never tried to put the Freedom Fighters and other alternate continuity characters in the games, though. I'm a huge fan of SatAM and Sally in particular, but Sonic Team doesn't exactly have the best track record of storytelling (Colors onward is particularly unbearable), and there's absolutely zero chance that those characters could be done justice. --- "In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world." - John 16:33 <cite>Captain_Sorzo posted [p:943169907] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>The Ken Penders rabbit hole is fascinating. It's a horrifying nightmare, yet I keep finding myself drawn to the grim spectacle of it all. I'm glad Sega never tried to put the Freedom Fighters and other alternate continuity characters in the games, though. I'm a huge fan of SatAM and Sally in particular, but Sonic Team doesn't exactly have the best track record of storytelling (Colors onward is particularly unbearable), and there's absolutely zero chance that those characters could be done justice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 4:20:40 AM #16:	He at one point during the lawsuit wanted the rights to Knuckles. Yes, a character actually created and completely owned by SEGA. Honestly I don't want to turn this into a Ken Penders topic despite how horrifically fascinating he is to Sonic fandom. I just like seeing a cute little OC design making it to the big time in the company. In general the IDW reboot I've seen has some really neat new character designs, but sadly I haven't read a Sonic comic since they had to do that God awful Genesis-wave reboot. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943170111] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote> He at one point during the lawsuit wanted the rights to Knuckles. Yes, a character actually created and completely owned by SEGA. Honestly I don't want to turn this into a Ken Penders topic despite how horrifically fascinating he is to Sonic fandom. I just like seeing a cute little OC design making it to the big time in the company. In general the IDW reboot I've seen has some really neat new character designs, but sadly I haven't read a Sonic comic since they had to do that God awful Genesis-wave reboot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 4:21:36 AM #17:	Also she is literally a sniper wolf. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943170128] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Also she is literally a sniper wolf. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackMageJawa 08/09/20 5:44:23 AM #18:	TheRock1525 posted... But even then, none of the comic characters ever got a hint of being in the games. Not even super popular ones like Sally from the original Saturday morning cartoon that lived on in the comics. IIRC, the animals you rescue in the bonus rounds of Sonic Spinball use the SatAM/early Archie designs. I think Sally, Rotor and Bunnie were in there. --- The shattered stage is set and there's a role you must fulfil <cite>BlackMageJawa posted [p:943171058] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>But even then, none of the comic characters ever got a hint of being in the games. Not even super popular ones like Sally from the original Saturday morning cartoon that lived on in the comics.</quote> IIRC, the animals you rescue in the bonus rounds of Sonic Spinball use the SatAM/early Archie designs. I think Sally, Rotor and Bunnie were in there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 6:19:45 AM #19:	Yup forgot about that, although it was Sally's unused design. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943171384] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Yup forgot about that, although it was Sally's unused design. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MariaTaylor 08/09/20 6:34:02 AM #20:	she honestly looks kinda cool. I understand why she's popular. and wow ken penders sounds like a creep. --- all the rest weren't so unfortunate https://imgur.com/yv2eC4n <cite>MariaTaylor posted [p:943171560] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>she honestly looks kinda cool. I understand why she's popular. and wow ken penders sounds like a creep. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 6:51:15 AM #21:	There's apparently some heavy implication that her and Tangle are a couple, even though they refer to each other as friends in the comic. Apparently her reaction to a supposed temporary heroic sacrifice by Tangle was, well, this: Which my first thought was "Jesus Christ, this is a Sonic comic?" Then I remembered all my years reading them going "Oh yup, this is absolutely a Sonic comic." --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943171741] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>There's apparently some heavy implication that her and Tangle are a couple, even though they refer to each other as friends in the comic. Apparently her reaction to a supposed temporary heroic sacrifice by Tangle was, well, this: Which my first thought was "Jesus Christ, this is a Sonic comic?" Then I remembered all my years reading them going "Oh yup, this is absolutely a Sonic comic." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 08/09/20 7:32:31 AM #22:	okay I actually kinda liked geoffrey st. john but boy did I not need to know that --- https://imgtc.com/i/uWMMlnN.png Radiant wings as the skies rejoice, arise, and illuminate the morn. <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:943172198] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>okay I actually kinda liked geoffrey st. john but boy did I not need to know that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZenOfThunder 08/09/20 7:37:10 AM #23:	current sonic comic is OK, has had its ups and downs, current arc feels like it's been going on forever i'm indifferent towards Whisper but my girlfriend likes her. I think Tangle is great though, she's going to be in the same game according to the files that were found alongside Whisper's --- (\|\| ' ' \|\|) "Your First Thought" - A (sometimes) Daily Topic Series 'Bout Thinkin': . /\|_\|\ https://bit.ly/YFTB8 [azuarc] <cite>ZenOfThunder posted [p:943172261] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>current sonic comic is OK, has had its ups and downs, current arc feels like it's been going on forever i'm indifferent towards Whisper but my girlfriend likes her. I think Tangle is great though, she's going to be in the same game according to the files that were found alongside Whisper's </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 7:48:05 AM #24:	Tom Bombadil posted... okay I actually kinda liked geoffrey st. john but boy did I not need to know that Geoffrey was a shit-head from day one and I was always hoping he'd get killed off. ZenOfThunder posted... current sonic comic is OK, has had its ups and downs, current arc feels like it's been going on forever I might do a read-thru topic on it. The Genesis Wave reboot just fucking killed any interest I had in the comic, especially after Ian had spent so much time rehabbing so many bad characters into something you'd be interested in, only to have them all ripped away. Maybe a completely clean break, though, might be interesting. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943172398] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Tom Bombadil posted... </cite> <quote>okay I actually kinda liked geoffrey st. john but boy did I not need to know that</quote> Geoffrey was a shit-head from day one and I was always hoping he'd get killed off. ZenOfThunder posted... </cite> <quote>current sonic comic is OK, has had its ups and downs, current arc feels like it's been going on forever</quote> I might do a read-thru topic on it. The Genesis Wave reboot just fucking killed any interest I had in the comic, especially after Ian had spent so much time rehabbing so many bad characters into something you'd be interested in, only to have them all ripped away. Maybe a completely clean break, though, might be interesting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 7:50:51 AM #25:	Also seeing recent artwork vs what level the artwork was when I first quit the comic. https://thankskenpenders.tumblr.com/tagged/StH%2092/chrono I can't believe I paid literal money for this shit. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943172430] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Also seeing recent artwork vs what level the artwork was when I first quit the comic. https://thankskenpenders.tumblr.com/tagged/StH%2092/chrono I can't believe I paid literal money for this shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 08/09/20 8:51:20 AM #26:	Is the new/current version the same continuity as the Archie ones? not that I would really recognize anything from like ten years and two reboots ago anyway --- https://imgtc.com/i/uWMMlnN.png Radiant wings as the skies rejoice, arise, and illuminate the morn. <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:943173355] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Is the new/current version the same continuity as the Archie ones? not that I would really recognize anything from like ten years and two reboots ago anyway </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZenOfThunder 08/09/20 9:02:00 AM #27:	new continuity spinning out of Sonic Forces of all things, althought Sonic Forces OC from the game is not in it the first arc or two are good but current arc is kinda bleh. legit crazy how they managed to shake this much story out of Sonic Forces --- (\|\| ' ' \|\|) "Your First Thought" - A (sometimes) Daily Topic Series 'Bout Thinkin': . /\|_\|\ https://bit.ly/YFTB8 [azuarc] <cite>ZenOfThunder posted [p:943173545] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>new continuity spinning out of Sonic Forces of all things, althought Sonic Forces OC from the game is not in it the first arc or two are good but current arc is kinda bleh. legit crazy how they managed to shake this much story out of Sonic Forces </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raetsel_Lapin 08/09/20 11:09:23 AM #28:	TheRock1525 posted... I mean I don't think they had sex, I think they just made out. But also, look closer at that dialogue. The lines about a nap? Are in a different font. They arent hand lettered. This is a telltale sign that the text was altered late in production. I shudder to think what it originally said. And the icing on the cake? Penders considers this not a story about Bunnie being victimized, but rather a story about her betraying Antoines trust by sleeping with another guy. Source: https://medium.com/@ponett/i-read-every-sonic-comic-by-ken-penders-and-theyre-wilder-than-you-could-ever-imagine-1f9dd05ae433 (She's the author of the blog linked a bit earlier in the topic) EDIT: Never going to get use to having to choose between the ability to post images or the ability to use HTML for things. --- M.U.G.E.N. AI Tournament (now with more glitching!): https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/403-random-insanity/78894570 <cite>Raetsel_Lapin posted [p:943176475] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>I mean I don't think they had sex, I think they just made out.</quote> <quote>But also, look closer at that dialogue. The lines about a nap? Are in a different font. They arent hand lettered. This is a telltale sign that the text was altered late in production. I shudder to think what it originally said. And the icing on the cake? Penders considers this not a story about Bunnie being victimized, but rather a story about her betraying Antoines trust by sleeping with another guy.</quote> Source: https://medium.com/@ponett/i-read-every-sonic-comic-by-ken-penders-and-theyre-wilder-than-you-could-ever-imagine-1f9dd05ae433 (She's the author of the blog linked a bit earlier in the topic) EDIT: Never going to get use to having to choose between the ability to post images or the ability to use HTML for things. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 08/09/20 11:27:47 AM #29:	Captain_Sorzo posted... The Ken Penders rabbit hole is fascinating In context, I do not like this idiom --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them. <cite>NFUN posted [p:943177023] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Captain_Sorzo posted... </cite> <quote>The Ken Penders rabbit hole is fascinating</quote>In context, I do not like this idiom </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 08/09/20 11:48:08 AM #30:	This reminded me I needed to go back to reading the Thank You Ken Penders blog. Ken Penders also thinks he deserves credit for a character who is just Sonic with a hood and a bow called Rob O' The Hedge. Dude is wild. --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:943177659] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>This reminded me I needed to go back to reading the Thank You Ken Penders blog. Ken Penders also thinks he deserves credit for a character who is just Sonic with a hood and a bow called Rob O' The Hedge. Dude is wild. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swordz9 08/09/20 12:01:44 PM #31:	She gives off an anime vibe with her design and she has cool factor points as well so Im not surprised shes popular <cite>swordz9 posted [p:943178077] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>She gives off an anime vibe with her design and she has cool factor points as well so Im not surprised shes popular</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi1 08/09/20 1:15:08 PM #32:	Raetsel_Lapin posted... Source: https://medium.com/@ponett/i-read-every-sonic-comic-by-ken-penders-and-theyre-wilder-than-you-could-ever-imagine-1f9dd05ae433 Wow I read that entire thing. What a fucking guy this Ken Penders is... Does anyone have a good summary of what happen with his case against Archie comics? How did he win? --- PSN, and GT: Waluigi1 Switch FC: SW-6848-3841-9099 <cite>Waluigi1 posted [p:943180373] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Raetsel_Lapin posted... </cite> <quote>Source: https://medium.com/@ponett/i-read-every-sonic-comic-by-ken-penders-and-theyre-wilder-than-you-could-ever-imagine-1f9dd05ae433</quote>Wow I read that entire thing. What a fucking guy this Ken Penders is... Does anyone have a good summary of what happen with his case against Archie comics? How did he win? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 1:21:42 PM #33:	Waluigi1 posted... How did he win? Archie and SEGA literally couldn't produce the document he supposedly signed agreeing that all characters he created were SEGA/Archie property. He might have won literally due to poor paperwork management on their part. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943180567] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Waluigi1 posted... </cite> <quote>How did he win?</quote>Archie and SEGA literally couldn't produce the document he supposedly signed agreeing that all characters he created were SEGA/Archie property. He might have won literally due to poor paperwork management on their part. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi1 08/09/20 1:22:07 PM #34:	Wow lol that's kinda sad. --- PSN, and GT: Waluigi1 Switch FC: SW-6848-3841-9099 <cite>Waluigi1 posted [p:943180576] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Wow lol that's kinda sad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 1:26:47 PM #35:	Waluigi1 posted... Wow lol that's kinda sad. https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Ken_Penders%27_legal_cases If you want a more involved version. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943180712] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Waluigi1 posted... </cite> <quote>Wow lol that's kinda sad.</quote>https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Ken_Penders%27_legal_cases If you want a more involved version. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 08/09/20 1:30:55 PM #36:	TheRock1525 posted... Archie and SEGA literally couldn't produce the document he supposedly signed agreeing that all characters he created were SEGA/Archie property. He might have won literally due to poor paperwork management on their part. To be fair, there was a fire. But it should have been backed up. --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:943180820] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>Archie and SEGA literally couldn't produce the document he supposedly signed agreeing that all characters he created were SEGA/Archie property. He might have won literally due to poor paperwork management on their part.</quote>To be fair, there was a fire. But it should have been backed up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackMageJawa 08/09/20 1:38:34 PM #37:	I'd have thought the default position was that the publisher owned everything. Shouldn't the burden of proof be on him? (Not a lawyer, obviously. I just thought that it was extremely rare for comic writers to keep the rights to anything) --- The shattered stage is set and there's a role you must fulfil <cite>BlackMageJawa posted [p:943181072] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>I'd have thought the default position was that the publisher owned everything. Shouldn't the burden of proof be on him? (Not a lawyer, obviously. I just thought that it was extremely rare for comic writers to keep the rights to anything)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 08/09/20 1:50:47 PM #38:	BlackMageJawa posted... I'd have thought the default position was that the publisher owned everything. Shouldn't the burden of proof be on him? (Not a lawyer, obviously. I just thought that it was extremely rare for comic writers to keep the rights to anything) He filed a legal copyright for the characters and stories and then Archie filed a cease and desist. After doing so, he challenged that he owned the rights to the characters and they didn't present Penders contract claiming he gives up all ownership of the characters he created to them. It is standard in contracts, but because they couldn't present a contract and knew it would end up being a messy legal battle, they settled and said that this guy can have his shitty characters and comics. So Ken Penders is now the proud owner of a dead bee that overdosed on LSD chili. --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:943181480] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>BlackMageJawa posted... </cite> <quote>I'd have thought the default position was that the publisher owned everything. Shouldn't the burden of proof be on him? (Not a lawyer, obviously. I just thought that it was extremely rare for comic writers to keep the rights to anything)</quote>He filed a legal copyright for the characters and stories and then Archie filed a cease and desist. After doing so, he challenged that he owned the rights to the characters and they didn't present Penders contract claiming he gives up all ownership of the characters he created to them. It is standard in contracts, but because they couldn't present a contract and knew it would end up being a messy legal battle, they settled and said that this guy can have his shitty characters and comics. So Ken Penders is now the proud owner of a dead bee that overdosed on LSD chili. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 1:54:38 PM #39:	BlackMageJawa posted... I'd have thought the default position was that the publisher owned everything. Shouldn't the burden of proof be on him? (Not a lawyer, obviously. I just thought that it was extremely rare for comic writers to keep the rights to anything) Nah, it's the opposite. They're agreeing to publish your creation. Like if you write an autobiography, you don't lose rights to your own story if someone publishes it for you. That's why Archie/SEGA would have them sign this paperwork in the first place. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943181605] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>BlackMageJawa posted... </cite> <quote>I'd have thought the default position was that the publisher owned everything. Shouldn't the burden of proof be on him? (Not a lawyer, obviously. I just thought that it was extremely rare for comic writers to keep the rights to anything)</quote>Nah, it's the opposite. They're agreeing to publish your creation. Like if you write an autobiography, you don't lose rights to your own story if someone publishes it for you. That's why Archie/SEGA would have them sign this paperwork in the first place. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 1:56:03 PM #40:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... So Ken Penders is now the proud owner of a dead bee that overdosed on LSD chili. In that wiki article I linked to, apparently 199 characters are now his. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943181657] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>PrivateBiscuit1 posted... </cite> <quote>So Ken Penders is now the proud owner of a dead bee that overdosed on LSD chili.</quote>In that wiki article I linked to, apparently 199 characters are now his. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 2:29:13 PM #41:	Oh Christ I forgot that in the same storyline with the LSD Bee, you had a blaxploitation rabbit named "Downtown" Ebony Hare. Fucking... Penders. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943182652] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Oh Christ I forgot that in the same storyline with the LSD Bee, you had a blaxploitation rabbit named "Downtown" Ebony Hare. Fucking... Penders. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 08/09/20 3:11:40 PM #42:	TheRock1525 posted... Oh Christ I forgot that in the same storyline with the LSD Bee, you had a blaxploitation rabbit named "Downtown" Ebony Hare. Fucking... Penders. I was enjoying having forgotten about this --- https://imgtc.com/i/uWMMlnN.png Radiant wings as the skies rejoice, arise, and illuminate the morn. <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:943183960] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>Oh Christ I forgot that in the same storyline with the LSD Bee, you had a blaxploitation rabbit named "Downtown" Ebony Hare. Fucking... Penders.</quote> I was enjoying having forgotten about this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 08/09/20 3:42:45 PM #43:	As someone who used to read the Archie comics almost religiously as a kid (until like i missed a few issues and then just stopped) and was vaguely aware some weird shit went down legally over the rights... ...i am not sure how i feel about some of the "revelations" in this topic. Part of me feels I may have heard this before actually, and maybe even had this exact same reaction, but then just ejected the memory into space immediately afterwards. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:943184851] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>As someone who used to read the Archie comics almost religiously as a kid (until like i missed a few issues and then just stopped) and was vaguely aware some weird shit went down legally over the rights... ...i am not sure how i feel about some of the "revelations" in this topic. Part of me feels I may have heard this before actually, and maybe even had this exact same reaction, but then just ejected the memory into space immediately afterwards. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 08/09/20 4:02:17 PM #44:	Why were these comics so beloved --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:943185445] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Why were these comics so beloved </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 4:17:28 PM #45:	Just wait until I get home from work and I can talk about Tobor. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943185898] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Just wait until I get home from work and I can talk about Tobor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yesmar_ 08/09/20 4:17:53 PM #46:	Where's Daveykins? --- Congrats on Advokaiser for winning the 2018 Guru Contest! Yesmar <cite>Yesmar_ posted [p:943185908] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>Where's Daveykins? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 08/09/20 4:25:04 PM #47:	If anyone wants nightmare fuel, look up Ken Penders's Julie-Sue independent project. Actually horrifying. --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:943186180] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>If anyone wants nightmare fuel, look up Ken Penders's Julie-Sue independent project. Actually horrifying. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 08/09/20 4:25:49 PM #48:	I'm not sure if I'm glad I clicked on this topic or I regret it entirely --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:943186203] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure if I'm glad I clicked on this topic or I regret it entirely </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/09/20 4:28:24 PM #49:	redrocket posted... Why were these comics so beloved For older fans like me, we read this when we were 7-12 years old. Obviously at our current age we realize how stupid it was. Most fans are of the younger variety and only know the Ian Flynn era. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:943186293] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>redrocket posted... </cite> <quote>Why were these comics so beloved</quote>For older fans like me, we read this when we were 7-12 years old. Obviously at our current age we realize how stupid it was. Most fans are of the younger variety and only know the Ian Flynn era. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 08/09/20 4:35:38 PM #50:	TheRock1525 posted... For older fans like me, we read this when we were 7-12 years old. yeah this --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:943186560] in I learned ... [t:78901308]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>For older fans like me, we read this when we were 7-12 years old.</quote>yeah this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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