Current Events > One year ago, Martin Scorsese declared Marvel movies as not cinema

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Zithers
10/05/20 7:43:07 PM
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Colorahdo
10/05/20 7:44:47 PM
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Gatekeeping is so immature

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Damn_Underscore
10/05/20 7:45:25 PM
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he's right

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RedJackson
10/05/20 7:45:47 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
Gatekeeping is so immature

The creation of that phrase was pretty immature
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Cobalt_Wasps
10/05/20 7:45:48 PM
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i dont disagree

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tommybel89
10/05/20 7:46:24 PM
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I think if you made Goodfellas you can say anything you want.

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Colorahdo
10/05/20 7:47:14 PM
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RedJackson posted...
The creation of that phrase was pretty immature

I'm glad it exists to call out gatekeepers

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Jagr_68
10/05/20 7:48:00 PM
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Cobalt_Wasps posted...
i dont disagree


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RedJackson
10/05/20 7:48:42 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
I'm glad it exists to call out gatekeepers

I created a new phrase in order to have a fighting chance against you cause otherwise I'd have no case

>_>

I disagree with Scorsese too, but he's the man so idk
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Damn_Underscore
10/05/20 7:49:35 PM
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God will say "sorry, you can't enter heaven" and Colorahdo will be like "stop gatekeeping"

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iPhone_7
10/05/20 7:50:32 PM
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Im not sure if I disagree

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SSJKirby
10/05/20 7:51:43 PM
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he's certainly not wrong

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Shotgunnova
10/05/20 7:53:04 PM
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At least we got scenes like this (Infinity War/Endgame spoilers?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_CF-86REfI

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GoodOlJr
10/05/20 7:55:01 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
Gatekeeping is so immature


Mcu is so trash it deserve more hate than it gets
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AlisLandale
10/05/20 7:55:11 PM
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the whole incident was amusing.

Bill Maher puts out that tasteless diss piece on comic books immediately following the death of Stan Lee, and hes met with legit criticism about why hes wrong and why comic books are a legitimate artistic medium.

Martin Scorsese is asked his own opinion in an interview and he gives it, and MCU babbys are like well AKSHULLY I saw Spider-Boy in a cinema so that means its cinema!

fufufufu

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Zikten
10/05/20 7:56:12 PM
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so if it's not cinema, what is it?
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GoodOlJr
10/05/20 7:56:33 PM
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Zikten posted...
so if it's not cinema, what is it?


Consumable or a 150 commercial
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armandro
10/05/20 7:56:39 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
Gatekeeping is so immature
MCU is junkfood

Martin Scorsese is a full course dinner

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Zithers
10/05/20 7:57:28 PM
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Zikten posted...
so if it's not cinema, what is it?

movies

not all movies are cinema

not all cinema is movies

only cinema is cinema

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GoodOlJr
10/05/20 7:57:57 PM
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armandro posted...

MCU is junkfood

Martin Scorsese is a full course dinner


And shitting on stuff is fun, we all do it. Saying the word gatekeeping isnt an argument. He probably shits on whatever he deems okay to shit on
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FlameTurtle
10/05/20 7:58:32 PM
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Zikten posted...
so if it's not cinema, what is it?
Some other arbitrary term that TC made up in order to feel superior to other people

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rexcrk
10/05/20 8:01:32 PM
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Obvious bait topic.

But still.. ugh. I hate when acclaimed filmmakers make comments like that because then every hipster doofus loser who thinks theyre a cinephile comes out of the woodwork with their high and mighty attitude to be all smug.

I dunno, it just comes off as massively insecure to me to need to have your opinions justified and then go on an internet message board anonymously and be like see? SEE?! My opinion is justified! How dare someone enjoy something I dont. HEY!! Pay attention to me!

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armandro
10/05/20 8:02:24 PM
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rexcrk posted...
Obvious bait topic.

But still.. ugh. I hate when acclaimed filmmakers make comments like that because then every hipster doofus loser who thinks theyre a cinephile comes out of the woodwork with their high and mighty attitude to be all smug.

I dunno, it just comes off as massively insecure to me to need to have your opinions justified and then go on an internet message board anonymously and be like see? SEE?! My opinion is justified! How dare someone enjoy something I dont. HEY!! Pay attention to me!
Top 5 Films?

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voldothegr8
10/05/20 8:03:37 PM
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Zithers posted...


movies

not all movies are cinema

not all cinema is movies

only cinema is cinema

Literally the same thing

I love Scorsese but he's wrong and sounds sniveling telling people movies he doesn't like aren't movies
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armandro
10/05/20 8:04:34 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Literally the same thing

I love Scorsese but he's wrong and sounds sniveling telling people movies he doesn't like aren't movies
movies?
MOVIES?!?!?

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El Mexicano Texano
10/05/20 8:05:48 PM
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I've always says they're decent entertainment but not a single one of those films is in my top 100 movies of all time

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MacadamianNut3
10/05/20 8:05:56 PM
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TC sniffs his own farts and rubs the rest of the fumes on his bald head to fertilize his scalp

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AlphaCuck
10/05/20 8:06:29 PM
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he is a dc fanboy
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Zithers
10/05/20 8:09:23 PM
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rexcrk posted...
Obvious bait topic.

But still.. ugh. I hate when acclaimed filmmakers make comments like that because then every hipster doofus loser who thinks theyre a cinephile comes out of the woodwork with their high and mighty attitude to be all smug.

I dunno, it just comes off as massively insecure to me to need to have your opinions justified and then go on an internet message board anonymously and be like see? SEE?! My opinion is justified! How dare someone enjoy something I dont. HEY!! Pay attention to me!

you can like marvel movies. no one's saying you can't. that would be ridiculous.

they just aren't cinema.

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IfGodCouldDie
10/05/20 8:12:04 PM
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Zithers posted...
you can like marvel movies. no one's saying you can't. that would be ridiculous.

they just aren't cinema.
Can you define cinema in your own words?

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Gamerguymass
10/05/20 8:27:54 PM
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Going by his arguement Netflix isn't cinema either. Scorsese clearly isn't good enough to produce cinema anymore since he has been relegated to making straight to streaming service movies as he throws out controversial statements to garner attention as he becomes increasingly irrelevant in the modern movie industry.

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vigorm0rtis
10/05/20 8:28:59 PM
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Meh, I feel the same way about that as I did back when bookstores had a "literature" section.

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Smackems
10/05/20 8:29:45 PM
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He's obviously wrong

But I still agree with him

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Killmonger
10/05/20 8:30:35 PM
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What exactly is "cinema"?

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GoodOlJr
10/05/20 8:32:53 PM
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Killmonger posted...
What exactly is "cinema"?


You know wtf he means, youre baiting someone to poorly explain it so you can argue

Bad faith arguing 101
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Zithers
10/05/20 8:35:28 PM
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
Can you define cinema in your own words?

i like steven soderbergh's definition from 2013. not my own words, w/e, he puts it p well.

First of all, is there a difference between cinema and movies? Yeah. The simplest way that I can describe it is that a movie is something you see, and cinema is something thats made. It has nothing to do with the captured medium, it doesnt have anything to do with where the screen is, if its in your bedroom, your iPad, it doesnt even really have to be a movie. It could be a commercial, it could be something on YouTube. Cinema is a specificity of vision. Its an approach in which everything matters. Its the polar opposite of generic or arbitrary and the result is as unique as a signature or a fingerprint. It isnt made by a committee, and it isnt made by a company, and it isnt made by the audience. It means that if this filmmaker didnt do it, it either wouldnt exist at all, or it wouldnt exist in anything like this form.

this differs from scorsese's version actually...

For me, for the filmmakers I came to love and respect, for my friends who started making movies around the same time that I did, cinema was about revelation aesthetic, emotional and spiritual revelation. It was about characters the complexity of people and their contradictory and sometimes paradoxical natures, the way they can hurt one another and love one another and suddenly come face to face with themselves. It was about confronting the unexpected on the screen and in the life it dramatized and interpreted, and enlarging the sense of what was possible in the art form.

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FrankJaegr
10/05/20 8:38:42 PM
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Gamerguymass posted...
Going by his arguement Netflix isn't cinema either. Scorsese clearly isn't good enough to produce cinema anymore since he has been relegated to making straight to streaming service movies as he throws out controversial statements to garner attention as he becomes increasingly irrelevant in the modern movie industry.

Wow, Ive seen some shitty posts in my lifetime but this definitely takes the cake
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Monolith1676
10/05/20 8:42:04 PM
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One year later, cinema is dead.

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Killmonger
10/05/20 8:42:46 PM
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GoodOlJr posted...
You know wtf he means, youre baiting someone to poorly explain it so you can argue

Bad faith arguing 101
Nope.

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blablablax17
10/05/20 8:45:10 PM
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Some of you need to get off your fucking high horse.
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cuttin_in_farm
10/05/20 8:46:40 PM
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
Can you define cinema in your own words?

Zithers posted...
i like steven soderbergh's definition from 2013. not my own words, w/e,

Lol

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gamer167
10/05/20 8:49:27 PM
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The Irishman was boring af

Put that in your pipe and smoke it Marty
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Zithers
10/05/20 8:59:59 PM
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Smackems
10/05/20 9:04:30 PM
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gamer167 posted...
The Irishman was boring af

Put that in your pipe and smoke it Marty
It kinda was. Also there was barely a plot

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Zithers
10/05/20 9:07:50 PM
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bobaban
10/05/20 9:12:57 PM
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gamer167 posted...
The Irishman was boring af

Put that in your pipe and smoke it Marty

i thought it was hysterical seeing Deniro playing a 20 yo
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IShall_Run_Amok
10/05/20 9:30:47 PM
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I remember I first used the phrase "hoes be mad" at that time. What fun.

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andri_g
10/05/20 9:44:58 PM
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Zikten posted...
so if it's not cinema, what is it?
Film, even though cameras have gone digital (from "film footage" to "memory storage").
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Zithers posted...
you can like marvel movies. no one's saying you can't. that would be ridiculous.

they just aren't cinema.
Movies and cinema are films that use similar resources for different purposes and results.

[ In most European countries "cinema" is a generic term; in NA, it is a more specific term. This has added a lot of confusion to the discussion. ]

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cymbaline
10/05/20 9:45:32 PM
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Based

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parabola_master
10/05/20 9:47:41 PM
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People will defend Marvel on this one but will wince at someone calling Fifty Shades literature

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