Board 8 > King of Fighters 2020 (NOT MERCS) R3D14: Maxwell vs Senator Armstrong (Mid)

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The game is simple. The two* listed characters are placed in an (imaginary) location with a variety of (imaginary) environments, kind of like a picture in a child's schoolbook that describes different types of geological features. Within a ten mile radius, there is an (imaginary) urban downtown, exurbs, plains, snow-clad mountains at the edge, dry plains, etc. Fighters start wherever is most appropriate for them, but feel increasingly compelled to seek out their opponent and fight. Strong-willed fighters can try to hold out in their chosen environment for longer... eventually, all will succumb and actively search for the other to battle.

To participate, just vote in bold for whichever character you believe will win. Giving reasoning is optional, but please be polite and read what others have said and carefully make your decision. I'll ping the nominators (they can opt out) to give arguments if they wish.

Results/Discussion: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78971300

TODAY'S PARTICIPANTS:
Maxwell (Scribblenauts)


vs

Senator Armstrong (Metal Gear Rising)


@GavsEvans123 @Raka_Putra

FIGHT

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Armstrong: something something nanomachines, son

Maxwell: https://scribblenauts.fandom.com/wiki/EMP

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Maxwell

He's fucking invincible!

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nanomachines still have nothing to do with electricity

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Armstrong. EMPs won't do anything to him (as evidenced by EMP grenades being a weapon in MGR, they...don't do anything to him), so if that's Maxwell's first move, the second move is gonna be a small child getting punted

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Armstrong

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Maxwell wouldn't know to try dealing with nanomachines anyway since Armstrong looks just like a regular dude. He has a number of other strategies he could try though. As was said in the last topic, Maxwell could make himself Invisible and Winged and scope out his opponent before doing anything. Armstrong doesn't seem like the type to use stealth, so he'd likely be out in the open, just smoking a cigar. If you don't think Maxwell would be stealthy either, it could be argued that Armstrong won't take him seriously upon seeing him, allowing Maxwell to get the first strike.

From there, Maxwell could:
- summon a monster like Cthulhu or someone like Superman (albeit a Scribblenauts version of Superman) to do the fighting for him
- make Armstrong Frozen, immobilizing him until a better plan is established
- give himself the Ultimate Weapon, a giant sword that kills in one hit
- simply make Armstrong Dead (though whether this would work with nanomachines is up in the air)
- make himself Sonic and go at the speed of sound
- make himself Immortal
- drop something super heavy on Armstrong
- spawn a Teleporter and make Armstrong Curious, which would make him walk into the Teleporter and create a clone, at the cost of the original's existence (this would surely count as a win for Maxwell)

Just for starters. There are definitely lots of other things he could do too.

Armstrong brute forces through Maxwell. He's not going to have time to do the fancy shit.

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NFUN posted...

nanomachines still have nothing to do with electricity

Also this is wrong, Armstrong's nanos do. He explicitly drains electricity from nearby electrical things to power them. That's like, a cutscene in MGR that plays twice, even.

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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Also this is wrong, Armstrong's nanos do. He explicitly drains electricity from nearby electrical things to power them. That's like, a cutscene in MGR that plays twice, even.

That being said, EMP is not a magical instant win button against anything that uses electricity. Military grade hardware in the real world is specifically hardened to be immune to it. And of course, theres the EMP grenades in his own game which he lols at.

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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Armstrong brute forces through Maxwell. He's not going to have time to do the fancy shit.

Based on what I've seen of Armstrong, he doesn't strike me as the type to take a little kid in a weird hat seriously. He's unlikely to open with his strongest attacks. That would give Maxwell an opening and a chance to do any number of things.

Yeah, I'm...kinda leaning Maxwell here? It's gonna be a while before they meet, which means Maxwell has plenty of time to make + drink adjective potions. Scribblenauts invincibility is not true invincibility, but I would see it as pretty effective against Armstrong's punches/charges. He can also have a minion of his choice out to bodyguard him.

Also, Armstrong never takes fights seriously from the start. He'll punch Maxwell (or, more likely, Maxwell's minion) across the street, then start making a speech while strolling over to punch him again.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Armstrong brute forces through Maxwell. He's not going to have time to do the fancy shit.

Ah yes lets brute force through someone invulnerable to harm
Unless Armstrong can eliminate Maxwell before the battle even starts, theres nothing to prevent Maxwell from protecting himself as soon as he appears in the arena

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Maxwell
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Armstrong

Maxwell is a child. Scribblenauts is about finding the exact solution you need for a problem without abusing it too greatly, or otherwise attaching a pair of handcuffs to a vending machine and letting God sort it out from there. Occasionally literally. I do not see Maxwell taking the obvious approach before he gets punted in his child head that dies from basically anything touching it.

Unless there is canon evidence to suggest Maxwell has dematured into an editor of Vs Battles Wiki or something, I feel like child-like wonder will be crushed under the heel of the American political machine. Like real life.

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idk, if I were a kid and I could make invincibility potions on demand, I'd do it. Fights are scary! Gotta make myself strong! It doesn't take a Vs Battles Wiki editor to figure that out. Most Scribblenauts levels are puzzles, but this is a fight, and Maxwell knows it.

Like, you plonk my five-year-old self (who loved fighting hordes of imaginary enemies) in a fight with access to invincibility potions and my "childlike wonder" is going to be wrecking things while invincible.
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Bruh are we actually going to let "strong tough guy" beat "kid who can literally do anything, summon anything, and make himself immune to anything Armstrong can shit out"

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Like I have no idea how you guys think Armstrong can blitz Maxwell when they don't even start right next to each other and he doesn't have any range at all

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ok but

can't Maxwell just make an EMP and attach "super giant mega powerful" to the front of it

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Armstrong has range. He has those huge fire pillars that are a giant pain in the ass during the Sam DLC

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He does have range, but this is a pretty impossible terrain to blitz (unless you're the Flash) because there's a whole urban area and the characters probably don't start in sight of each other. Plenty of time for setup.

Maxwell
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Eh, if I were a child, I woulda thought of a cool, weird way to win a fight if I had infinite power. Like "aw man I'm gonna kill him with my plasma ghost t-rex on top of my herculean panda bear with shrimp cocktail-making laser eyes".

And then Armstrong punches through that and by the time I have another idea that'll actually be unbeatable because now fear is a real thing, I'm getting my ribs kicked in while my local senator recites the pledge of allegiance at me.

I'm just at a point of feeling confident in saying "Scribblenauts is a game about being cutely clever. Maxwell will probably try to be that. Armstrong can punch through that once. He only needs once".

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Kamekguy posted...

Eh, if I were a child, I woulda thought of a cool, weird way to win a fight if I had infinite power. Like "aw man I'm gonna kill him with my plasma ghost t-rex on top of my herculean panda bear with shrimp cocktail-making laser eyes".

And then Armstrong punches through that and by the time I have another idea that'll actually be unbeatable because now fear is a real thing, I'm getting my ribs kicked in while my local senator recites the pledge of allegiance at me.

I'm just at a point of feeling confident in saying "Scribblenauts is a game about being cutely clever. Maxwell will probably try to be that. Armstrong can punch through that once. He only needs once".

The problem with this logic is that you're assuming Maxwell needs to be there to summon cool mobs. He doesn't. He can easily summon and send them off.

Besides, "invincible x" is is the most common way people handle combat related issues in Scribblenauts, so I don't see why that shouldn't transfer over. It's not like he has much character of his own, so imposing that "he has to act like a silly child" doesn't seem fair at all.

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Armstrong

I'm not going to give maxwell the respect and time that he'd be taking to figure out an answer and scribble it in his notepad, even if he realizes that Armstrong is a threat when spotted.

God is one of the things you can summon in Scribblenauts, right? Maxwell is going to need something pretty beefy here to win. Armstrong is beefy enough that Maxwell could summon 50 invincible T-Rexes and they wouldn't be able to scratch Armstrong. The problem is finding something strong enough to hurt Armstrong that won't also get Maxwell caught in it too.

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Maxwell can make himself incredibly fast, invisible, and invincible. He can give himself fire breath, wings, and a sword that can kill anything in one hit. He can create summons to fight and distract Armstrong while he writes new things in his notebook. He could do lots of things to Armstrong directly, including - I don't think this argument has been made yet - making Armstrong Friendly, meaning he'd be unwilling to even fight at all.

There's a lot of versatility Maxwell has, despite being seemingly in a position of vulnerability.

Maxwell

Mewtwo59 posted...

God is one of the things you can summon in Scribblenauts, right? Maxwell is going to need something pretty beefy here to win. Armstrong is beefy enough that Maxwell could summon 50 invincible T-Rexes and they wouldn't be able to scratch Armstrong. The problem is finding something strong enough to hurt Armstrong that won't also get Maxwell caught in it too.

How about summoning literal death

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That works too.

Maxwell

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I guess the EMP argument wasn't that great, I don't know why people are jumping off that to say "yeah Armstrong totally wins you guys" though

Maxwell can still make himself invincible and summon powerful allies that can also be invincible, brute force isn't going to win this

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Maxwell
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