Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 336: Through the Wire

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The Mana Sword posted...

Biden should have WI and MI, which assuming Nevada holds, is 270.

Im less optimistic about PA, but well. Id rather the win not be by exactsies, so hopefully the mail-ins there really do break hard Dem.

They will

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Fuck Trump I'm going to bed.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

(Assuming Biden wins)

Do we think Kamala is gonna be the automatic candidate, or will Dems run a primary?

She uh, isnt exactly the most charismatic, and she didnt do great in this last primary at all.

I doubt theres a real primary unless Kamala absolutely blows it as VP somehow.
Other than Pete im not sure whod even be a worthwhile challenger as of now and its probably better for them to just all get behind her than to have a primary that would drudge up negative stuff and likely not result in a significantly more electable candidate.

also Biden maybe just doesnt make it the whole term in which case theres definitely no a primary
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https://twitter.com/benwikler/status/1323963606992605184?s=21

Fuck yes! Go my Wisconsin!

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Waked into the kitchen to hear my wife shouting with joy. That was why

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Wtf oregon decriminalized hard drugs.

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Funny thing I just realized about Florida.

We went for Trump, everyone presumed for Socialism, but we also passed a $15 minimum wage, and most countiesincluding my incredibly deep red, Matt Gaetz repped onepassed a 1/2 cent tax to go towards education.

lmao

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

We went for Trump, everyone presumed for Socialism, but we also passed a $15 minimum wage, and most countiesincluding my incredibly deep red, Matt Gaetz repped onepassed a 1/2 cent tax to go towards education.

Your mistake is assuming people actually know what socialism is.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Funny thing I just realized about Florida.

We went for Trump, everyone presumed for Socialism, but we also passed a $15 minimum wage, and most countiesincluding my incredibly deep red, Matt Gaetz repped onepassed a 1/2 cent tax to go towards education.

lmao

Any idea what's going on there? That's really interesting that things would fall that way.

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Now it remains to be seen if my presidential election map will be literally perfect. Georgia seems like the only possible miss so far. And maybe PA.

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Wayne County in MI is where my vote is

If we are the votes that officially make Biden the winner once theyre counted then I consider myself REDEEMED for 2016
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We knew this was going to happen, given the disparity in attitudes about mail in voting.

Keep your seatbelts on, boys... it's going to be close

I haven't checked how those singular votes in Maine and Montana or whatever are going. Is a tie still possible, or are we looking at 270 if Pennsylvania goes red and michigan goes blue

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Tie is not possible at this point
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Nothing to strap in for. It's already over. Biden has won the Presidency.

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It's a real goddamn shame that it wasn't a landslide. I'm unconvinced that there won't be some dumb Supreme Court junk over the next 3 months.

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Good news is that we won't get packed courts. Bad news is likely no real stimulus.

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Will any Republicans condemn Trump for calling for an end to counting the votes? My guess is they'll say "I don't read twitter."

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Dancedreamer posted...

Will any Republicans condemn Trump for calling for an end to counting the votes? My guess is they'll say "I don't read twitter."

He got condemned by a bunch of people including dismissed by Pence straight after at the podium.

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More bad news is that it means Trumpism is still viable for the GOP and we will not see the rats jump ship
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Corrik7 posted...

Good news is that we won't get packed courts. Bad news is likely no real stimulus.

I know that you're not uninformed enough to be aware that Republicans have spent the last 4 years cramming through unqualified judges into positions that they refused to approve during the Obama presidency

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No landslide to the point where the Republicans look like they might actually keep the Senate is the worst case scenario for a Biden win, and that's assuming all of these results in the key states hold to avoid the actual worst case scenario. No real repudiation of the GOP's fascistic tendencies. No repudiation of the handling of covid. Fucking enabling the Senate Republicans to block literally everything with no consequences because they're some of the most fucking evil human beings in the country. And for what? A fear of "Socialism" being delivered by Joe fucking Biden? A fear of tax increases that 99% of Americans will never see or be impacted by? An active desire to have a fascist/racist in charge who cares more about his own pocketbook than anything else, and actively doesn't give a shit about the country he's supposedly running?

The people in this country are actually atrocious. You cannot chalk this up to ignorance. Hanlon's razor is dead.

Reg posted...

The people in this country are actually atrocious. You cannot chalk this up to ignorance. Hanlon's razor is dead.

Yep, the people suck. There isn't any other take from this. This is record turnout for a bunch of fascist fucks.

Corrik7 posted...

He got condemned by a bunch of people including dismissed by Pence straight after at the podium.

wow.

first moment in four years of pence being assertive to trump.

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Pence was not assertive dont bite on corriks embellishment.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

wow.

first moment in four years of pence being assertive to trump.

It wasn't a dismissal. It was just Pence pretending Trump hadn't said exactly what he'd clearly said and giving a generic "we think we're gonna win" speech

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Corrik7 posted...

Wtf oregon decriminalized hard drugs.

We'll prob have legal shrooms in DC too

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Jakyl25 posted...

Wayne County in MI is where my vote is

If we are the votes that officially make Biden the winner once theyre counted then I consider myself REDEEMED for 2016

Oh hey you too huh

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LordoftheMorons posted...

It wasn't a dismissal. It was just Pence pretending Trump hadn't said exactly what he'd clearly said and giving a generic "we think we're gonna win" speech

If you say something and you say something to contradict it and ignore what the first person said, that sounds like a dismissal to me.

Christie called Trump out on it and Shapiro and a bunch of other conservatives.

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Reg you need to to chill. The good news for democrats is a split senate and Biden president is going to end up with 2022 being a really great senate map for democrats. Its possible that some of the big sweeping changes liberals wanted that would have required 52-53 seats could actually happen and they wouldnt have happened had they gotten 51 and been able to push through boring legislation that would be moderate enough to upset republicans and cause them to turn out

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Jakyl25 posted...

More bad news is that it means Trumpism is still viable for the GOP and we will not see the rats jump ship

Worse is that the Democrat establishment non-strategy will still seem viable if Biden wins, even though it's still just rolling the same dice as 2016

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Jakyl25 posted...

Wayne County in MI is where my vote is

If we are the votes that officially make Biden the winner once theyre counted then I consider myself REDEEMED for 2016

it's jakyl's redemption story and we're all just living in it

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Hrm, if Trump loses I'm wondering if he even bothers campaigning for Loeffler(/Perdue) for the GA runoff

Like if he's not president does he give a shit about the Senate?

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Georgia run off can't win cuz people will come out to stop packing of the court.

That said, if wisconsin and PA end up very close hats off to the voter suppression Dems had in those states to keep third party candidates off the ballots.

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Assuming Michigans senate race goes Blue that would give them 49 senate seats.

Thats probably good enough to normal govern for 2 years before an aggressive 2023. Cant see the entire senate being shut down by Susan Collins. That would look awful on her

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masterplum posted...

Assuming Michigans senate race goes Blue that would give them 49 senate seats.

Thats probably good enough to normal govern for 2 years before an aggressive 2023. Cant see the entire senate being shut down by Susan Collins. That would look awful on her

Shed be set for six years. Why should she care? Also, Mitch can just continue not allowing bills up for debate.

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If michigan goes blue in the senate, that's 48 not 49. Where am I missing someone?

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Surely we can't have a president score two terms without ever winning the popular vote?

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Seems like the Iowa Republican strategy of "pretend your opponent is Bernie Sanders no matter how moderate they are" was effective.

Really sad to see Abby lose to Ashley Hinson. Even though I expected it since Hinson has way more name recognition from being a popular local news caster.

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Maniac64 posted...

Seems like the Iowa Republican strategy of "pretend your opponent is Bernie Sanders no matter how moderate they are" was effective.

I dont think this is it, Bernies positions won big.

I think the Biden campaign was just incredibly bad.

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masterplum posted...

Reg you need to to chill. The good news for democrats is a split senate and Biden president is going to end up with 2022 being a really great senate map for democrats. Its possible that some of the big sweeping changes liberals wanted that would have required 52-53 seats could actually happen and they wouldnt have happened had they gotten 51 and been able to push through boring legislation that would be moderate enough to upset republicans and cause them to turn out

Over 200k Americans dead due to sheer malice on the current adminstration's part and I'm the one that needs to chill when I lament how that malice was not pushed back against at the polls?

Yeah, sure, ok.

foolm0r0n posted...

Worse is that the Democrat establishment non-strategy will still seem viable if Biden wins, even though it's still just rolling the same dice as 2016

Its not viable though. Theyre losing House seats!
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McConnells strategy of keeping the stimulus woes on the House and Trump kept him the Senate and cost the House seats. Pelosi let him play that perfectly to his benefit and now she won't get shit either in a deal.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I dont think this is it, Bernies positions won big.

I think the Biden campaign was just incredibly bad.

No it was it in Iowa. You could literally see the polls shift when ads changed from being about the opponents to being about stopping Bernie, Warren, and Pelosi.

Because what Iowans think Bernie's positions are and what Bernie's positions actually are is not the same thing.

I mean just look at the fact that to so many non-Dems Pelosi is the same as Bernie and Warren.

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Tbqh i think telling anyone to chill at this point in time is a major dick move but hey

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Corrik7 posted...

McConnells strategy of keeping the stimulus woes on the House and Trump kept him the Senate and cost the House seats. Pelosi let him play that perfectly to his benefit and now she won't get shit either in a deal.

Ah yes. It was a political strategy, and not Mitch McConnell's Republicans wanting absolutely no stimulus whatsoever that just happened to work in their favor, since people will blame whoever they feel like for losses.

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Corrik7 posted...

McConnells strategy of keeping the stimulus woes on the House and Trump kept him the Senate and cost the House seats. Pelosi let him play that perfectly to his benefit and now she won't get shit either in a deal.

Yeah Pelosi has to fucking go. She sucks ass.

Maniac64 posted...

No it was it in Iowa. You could literally see the polls shift when ads changed from being about the opponents to being about stopping Bernie, Warren, and Pelosi.

Because what Iowans think Bernie's positions are and what Bernie's positions actually are is not the same thing.

I mean just look at the fact that to so many none Dems Pelosi is the same as Bernie and Warren.

Maybe its because I stayed up all night watching election coverage, but I dont understand what youre saying. Sorry, Ill try again after my nap lol

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Peace___Frog posted...

Tbqh i think telling anyone to chill at this point in time is a major dick move but hey

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Maybe its because I stayed up all night watching election coverage, but I dont understand what youre saying. Sorry, Ill try again after my nap lol

I mean I feel like it made sense but if not I will try and explain better later.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I dont think this is it, Bernies positions won big.

I think the Biden campaign was just incredibly bad.

I wish you were right. I wish I had that much faith in the American people. They've proven again and again that they'll vote against their best interests.

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Peace___Frog posted...

Tbqh i think telling anyone to chill at this point in time is a major dick move but hey

Yeah, no shit. But that's the sort of shit Plum's been posting all week so I'm not surprised.

On the bright side, my local house Rep won pretty easily. But the Democrats apparently aren't flipping the state House here so the gerrymandering and bullshit will persist.