Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 345: Dominion Rush

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https://twitter.com/normative/status/1328865274137866245

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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/17/wayne-county-canvassers-deadlock-certifying-november-3-election-results/6324274002/

This shouldn't worry anyone, but it should make EVERYONE furious. Especially people who live in Wayne County. William Hartmann and Monica Palmer are refusing to do their jobs.

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Dancedreamer posted...

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/17/wayne-county-canvassers-deadlock-certifying-november-3-election-results/6324274002/

This shouldn't worry anyone, but it should make EVERYONE furious. Especially people who live in Wayne County. William Hartmann and Monica Palmer are refusing to do their jobs.

https://twitter.com/DelWilber/status/1328860684352950278
https://twitter.com/nancykaffer/status/1328836317137022976

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What I'm amazed about is that Republicans hold 50% of the seats on the canvassing board in Wayne County.

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Dancedreamer posted...

Especially people who live in Wayne County.

Hey thats me
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Well if all the Wayne County votes are tossed, it looks like Trump wins Michigan by about 175k votes. Looks like Wayne County is a bit under 1/6 of the votes in Michigan, so per the 14th Amendment they would lose 2 or 3 electoral votes as a penalty for disenfranchising all of Wayne County.

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"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy."

very rare occasion where you can say "david frum called it"

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Chuck Grassley has covid:

https://twitter.com/OlgaNYC1211/status/1328865399614615555

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Also Wayne County update:
https://twitter.com/michpoligal/status/1328882639605026817

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https://i.imgur.com/GQ7XgUy.mp4

Got a chuckle out of me.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/normative/status/1328865274137866245

#2 at CISA also fired:
https://twitter.com/Bing_Chris/status/1328892280703512577

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLpbO5S4xE

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LordoftheMorons posted...

#2 at CISA also fired:
https://twitter.com/Bing_Chris/status/1328892280703512577

Correction: he resigned
https://twitter.com/dnvolz/status/1328895756909096960

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TheRock1525 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLpbO5S4xE

I haven't watch Daily Show in a long time (LWT has basically eclipsed it for me), but this guy seems great.

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Virginia is extremely center, it was center right and now it's center left. It's not just nova, it's all cities and even like Roanoke. But the center right can't compete at the state level at all, only Trumpers can. Kinda sad, but they aren't getting anywhere so it's okay. But at the local level all the races are pretty close. Everyone is just so damn center though so it really doesn't matter.

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https://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1328912382127607808?s=21

You love to see it.

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https://twitter.com/kasie/status/1329034142009462785

Love that the GOP is indulging a tantrum that will literally stop us from saving lives

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/kasie/status/1329034142009462785

Love that the GOP is indulging a tantrum that will literally stop us from saving lives

No, it's obviously Biden's fault. We wouldn't have to worry about problems with the presidential transition if Trump could just be president forever.
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So is anyone going to comment on red sox actively cheering for a coup or

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If you have him on ignore then there's nothing to comment on

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He's not cheering on a coup.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

So is anyone going to comment on red sox actively cheering for a coup or

If you are still taking red sox seriously then that's on you.

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Yeah, I stopped taking red sox seriously a long time ago.

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Trump's base is scaring me so much the way they're denying the election results just because they can't comprehend the influx of mail-in votes that came for Biden. They have the gall to act like liberals were just as in denial when Trump won in 2016 when it was on nowhere near such a scale.

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Kinglicious posted...

He's not cheering on a coup.

It is at best the Im just asking questions of coups.

hockeydude15 posted...

If you are still taking red sox seriously then that's on you.

Oh I get it. I just felt it was especially noteworthy.


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Lightning Strikes posted...

It is at best the Im just asking questions of coups.

Oh I get it. I just felt it was especially noteworthy.

Uh what? I am definitely not cheering on a coup.

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I would never cheer on a coup. You must have misunderstood me.

... but the implication

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Red Sox is the only person I've ever ignored because I don't think he actually believes most the things he says.

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Samurai7 posted...

Red Sox is the only person I've ever ignored because I don't think he actually believes most the things he says.

I'm pretty sure he is playing a character...I don't remember him being this way...but I dunno that was 10 years ago. He just seems like he is devil-advocating almost every single point, because let's be honest outside of Corrik who else is arguing heavily in favor of right-winged views?

And yea I know there are other users, but I'm talking about the ones that regularly post in this particular boards political discussion.

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Sorozone posted...

I'm pretty sure he is playing a character...I don't remember him being this way...but I dunno that was 10 years ago. He just seems like he is devil-advocating almost every single point, because let's be honest outside of Corrik who else is arguing heavily in favor of right-winged views?

And yea I know there are other users, but I'm talking about the ones that regularly post in this particular boards political discussion.

TBQH I need to stop reading this topic. There are only a handful of people here consistently worth talking to, and I find myself devil's advocating a lot more than is enjoyable.

I mean even at the beginning of Politics Containment he was different. He was still devil's advocating anything and everything for little to no discernable reason but it wasn't really the huge insane hypothetical scenarios he constantly makes up now. You could at least have what resembled a conversation with him.

When someone else starts playing up the crazy you can still occasionally witness him have brief moments of acting like a human in response.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Trump's base is scaring me so much the way they're denying the election results just because they can't comprehend the influx of mail-in votes that came for Biden. They have the gall to act like liberals were just as in denial when Trump won in 2016 when it was on nowhere near such a scale.

It was "nowhere near such a scale" because "liberals" didn't contest the election results. They said the results sucked. They said "not my president" meaning they wouldn't support Trump, not that he wasn't legally elected. Even insinuating this is a "both sides" situation is harmful.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Trump's base is scaring me so much the way they're denying the election results just because they can't comprehend the influx of mail-in votes that came for Biden. They have the gall to act like liberals were just as in denial when Trump won in 2016 when it was on nowhere near such a scale.

"Two out of three Democrats also claim Russia tampered with vote tallies on Election Day to help the President something for which there has been no credible evidence."

Yougov poll... In 2018.

They were.

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Corrik7 posted...

"Two out of three Democrats also claim Russia tampered with vote tallies on Election Day to help the President something for which there has been no credible evidence."

Yougov poll... In 2018.

They were.

You keep saying this but the fact that Russia interfered in some capacity in 2016 is just factual. Much more factual than this temper tantrum.

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Corrik7 posted...

"Two out of three Democrats also claim Russia tampered with vote tallies on Election Day to help the President something for which there has been no credible evidence."

Yougov poll... In 2018.

They were.

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/07/27/ [space] reviewing-russias-role-2016-while-getting-ready-20

Unless you can point me to a different YouGov poll in 2018, I'm gonna have to call you full of shit.

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Also it needs to be noted that believing that Russia interfered is not the same thing as believing fraudulent/illegitimate ballots were cast and it does not mean that we think that Trump didn't actually win the 2016 election.

Russia's interference consisted of pushing false information to change the mind of potential voters. Those people whose minds were changed went on to cast legitimate ballots for Donald Trump.

This isn't even a small distinction. This is a big fucking distinction between people unhappy with 2016 and people unhappy with 2020. They aren't even remotely comparable.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Also it needs to be noted that believing that Russia interfered is not the same thing as believing fraudulent/illegitimate ballots were cast and it does not mean that we think that Trump didn't actually win the 2016 election.

Russia's interference consisted of pushing false information to change the mind of potential voters. Those people whose minds were changed went on to cast legitimate ballots for Donald Trump.

This isn't even a small distinction. This is a big fucking distinction between people unhappy with 2016 and people unhappy with 2020. They aren't even remotely comparable.

But FD, this CONTEXT doesn't bring me to climax :((((

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While I'd like for Corrik to link to the poll he's quoting, if it's accurate, it's not talking about Russian interference. The wording is "Russia tampered with vote tallies", which is a very different beast entirely.

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Yeah if such a poll exists I'd like to see it. That would certainly be different than my impression of how people viewed the Russian interference.

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Sorozone posted...

I'm pretty sure he is playing a character...

When all you do is play a character, then there's no distinction between you and the character. Lots of people hide their shitty worldviews under the guise of trolling when in reality that's just who they are.

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KamikazePotato posted...

When all you do is play a character, then there's no distinction between you and the character. Lots of people hide their shitty worldviews under the guise of trolling when in reality that's just who they are.

Similar to the old "just kidding" defense.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Also it needs to be noted that believing that Russia interfered is not the same thing as believing fraudulent/illegitimate ballots were cast and it does not mean that we think that Trump didn't actually win the 2016 election.

Russia's interference consisted of pushing false information to change the mind of potential voters. Those people whose minds were changed went on to cast legitimate ballots for Donald Trump.

That's been my biggest issue with this false equivalence. It's so obviously not the same fucking thing.
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"Haha unless...? "

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Also the Russia issue goes to the Trump campaign actively colluding with Russian agents, doing shit like asking them on TV to "find Hillary's emails" and stuff like that.

I'm not sure if Biden ever went on TV and said "make sure you print some fake ballots to help me win."

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Shaduln posted...

It was "nowhere near such a scale" because "liberals" didn't contest the election results. They said the results sucked. They said "not my president" meaning they wouldn't support Trump, not that he wasn't legally elected. Even insinuating this is a "both sides" situation is harmful.

5 Hillary electors actually went faithless. At least 3 voted for a Republican trying to get Republican electors to join them in going faithless to stop Trump from winning. We aren't at that stage yet this time, but so far all Trump has done has been file lawsuits (which he is losing), make statements, and fire people.

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red sox has pretty good humor tbh. I like talking to him, knowing he is not wholly serious.

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Trump campaign is requesting recounts in Dane and Milwaukee counties in Wisconsin. They should read Bush v. Gore again..... if you want to recount you need to recount the whole state. You can't have stricter or looser standards for counting votes in some counties than others.

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I bet T**** is hoping that there's some difference in the recount in his favor, so he can be like "You didn't donate enough money, so we could recount the WHOLE state! Donate now to help prevent this in the future!"

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Ashethan posted...

I bet T**** is hoping that there's some difference in the recount in his favor, so he can be like "You didn't donate enough money, so we could recount the WHOLE state! Donate now to help prevent this in the future!"

Oh it's much worse than that. He is going to try to get ballots thrown out on technicalities. But if the recount only goes forward in two deep blue counties, then ballots with the same technical problems in red counties wouldn't get touched. Per Bush v. Gore, that is unfair and not allowed.

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Trump doesn't care about fair. He cares about getting what he wants because he has the mentality of a toddler.

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