Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 345: Dominion Rush

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DoomTheGyarados
11/20/20 4:22:13 PM
#452:


Jakyl25 posted...
First off, I recognize that the actual effects of climate change WILL BE worse than the actual effects of COVID. The effects of Soviet Russia were in the end worse than the effects of Nazi Germany. Im merely referring to the level of THREAT.

And I feel like Ive dragged us down into a silly semantic game

*Rubs chin*

I think I disagree hard on this one too.

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Kinglicious
11/20/20 4:22:27 PM
#453:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
I don't know, I think it is hard to argue 'kill the nazis, give military funds to healthcare instead' as a sales pitch.

Killing is a hard sales pitch and Nazis depends on what's meant because that's gotten broad. If we're gonna go that route then you'd better be damn sure you're talking WW2 Germans and have a post WW2 solution, because you're otherwise going the WW1 route where you might win but it's in a way that triggers a significantly greater evil. Slashing military for healthcare though, definitely a policy change that's for the better because our military spending is incredibly extreme so it's a call to moderation there.

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DoomTheGyarados
11/20/20 4:24:55 PM
#454:


Fine we investigate to see if there are nazis using some military money, do the health care thing, also opt in for more education spending, and make voting mandatory and the election every year as a national holiday.

Deal?

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Kinglicious
11/20/20 4:25:19 PM
#455:


Jakyl25 posted...
I see youve played Bioshock Infinite

Actually never have!
Stopped on 1.

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kevwaffles
11/20/20 4:27:32 PM
#456:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
*Rubs chin*

I think I disagree hard on this one too.
In the context of Jakyl's comparison, you'd actually have to compare the Soviet Russia we got to an unabated and victorious Nazi Germany.

In other words, it's a very bad comparison.

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Corrik7
11/20/20 4:29:38 PM
#457:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Go ahead and laugh while you don't have healthcare or a job. I am sure it'll be funny when you can't feed your kid.
What

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KamikazePotato
11/20/20 4:30:57 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
https://miro.medium.com/max/1200/1*bqUzj3zU13ig7F24Hx7LeA.jpeg
I'm going to post this again, because I've yet to find a better image on the internet that summarizes modern-day Centrism as well this.

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Wanglicious
11/20/20 4:32:03 PM
#459:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Fine we investigate to see if there are nazis using some military money, do the health care thing, also opt in for more education spending, and make voting mandatory and the election every year as a national holiday.

Deal?

not sure what the investigation would do there since we know there's some but they're pretty fringe. but if we broaden that to investigating ways to help calm down extremists and throwing military funds into that, sure.

health care thing sounds good, though we'd probably disagree on the specifics. still needs a ton of help.
education good.
mandatory voting bad, that's a choice you should be able to make.
but make it a paid national holiday.

i'll also throw in UBI because i still love the idea and this pandemic has proven people definitely need a financial floor to live on because it's costing them the actual, literal floor they live on.

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Kenri
11/20/20 4:32:04 PM
#460:


Kinglicious posted...
Killing is a hard sales pitch and Nazis depends on what's meant because that's gotten broad.
It's actually incredibly narrow and yet people still choose to wedge themselves into it.

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Jakyl25
11/20/20 4:32:20 PM
#461:


kevwaffles posted...

In the context of Jakyl's comparison, you'd actually have to compare the Soviet Russia we got to an unabated and victorious Nazi Germany.

In other words, it's a very bad comparison.


Yes, but why is it a bad comparison?

If we all just ignored COVID and we all just ignored climate change, COVID would hit humanity harder
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DoomTheGyarados
11/20/20 4:33:58 PM
#462:


Wanglicious posted...
not sure what the investigation would do there since we know there's some but they're pretty fringe. but if we broaden that to investigating ways to help calm down extremists and throwing military funds into that, sure.

health care thing sounds good, though we'd probably disagree on the specifics. still needs a ton of help.
education good.
mandatory voting bad, that's a choice you should be able to make.
but make it a paid national holiday.

i'll also throw in UBI because i still love the idea and this pandemic has proven people definitely need a financial floor to live on because it's costing them the actual, literal floor they live on.

You can choose to submit a blank ballot.

and be paid to do it!

UBI works for me and we can forget about the nazis I guess.

See? I am not that extreme!

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Wanglicious
11/20/20 4:35:35 PM
#463:


Kenri posted...
It's actually incredibly narrow and yet people still choose to wedge themselves into it.

i mean it should be narrow.
but then you get people like Trump, his family, and Shapiro called nazis and it's like 'uhhhh what.'

people get thrown into it more than they wedge themselves into it.

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Kenri
11/20/20 4:39:53 PM
#465:


Trump's actually the perfect example of someone constantly handed excuses to prove himself not a Nazi. People bend over backwards to give him every possible benefit of the doubt.

And yet he wedges himself in there nonetheless.

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HeroDelTiempo17
11/20/20 4:41:57 PM
#466:


KamikazePotato posted...
I'm of the mind that adapting to Climate Change won't actually be possible unless we start addressing the issues very soon, which we won't. We're looking at an extinction-level event within this century.

Look I think climate change is the biggest crisis in history but this is ridiculous and unscientific doomsaying. There's no way it becomes an extinction-level event.

The rich are going to be just fine when the world burns down, because they have the resources both to prepare for their own survival and to rebuild a functional society for them. Everyone else is fucked though.

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Jakyl25
11/20/20 4:42:05 PM
#467:


The issue here is people using Nazi as a catch all for irredeemable bigot

Like yes, its very hard to pin Third Reich levels of anti-semitism onto Trump personally, and thats kind of a prerequisite to being technically a Nazi
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Wanglicious
11/20/20 4:42:09 PM
#468:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
You can choose to submit a blank ballot.

and be paid to do it!

UBI works for me and we can forget about the nazis I guess.

See? I am not that extreme!

i don't think you are either, if that means much. even in your "don't play nice" mode you do try to reach across, try to talk to people, try to understand people, and don't lean towards actual violence, even if you occasionally flirt with the idea (though hesitate or reject on the practice). you've got strong opinions and have righteous anger but channel it well. you're peachy in the overton window for all that.

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Peace___Frog
11/20/20 4:42:48 PM
#469:


Jakyl25 posted...
Late to the party with this but Ill chime in anyway

Stop wishing anyone, no matter how awful they are, dies from COVID.

Wishing that the spread of COVID magically gets contained entirely to that person is entirely unrealistic. When it spreads at all, it impacts so many more people than just the person you want dead.

Its like saying cant wait for Climate Change to drown Mar-a-Lago! because its not going to just drown Mar-a-Lago.

And COVID is a bigger problem than climate change
I do think this is an important post, as I was being exceedingly cavalier and flippant wrt covid transmission.

That being said, fuck everyone in this administration and may they all spend their last waking moments in excruciating pain, which I pray come soon.

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xp1337
11/20/20 4:44:02 PM
#470:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
There's no way it becomes an extinction-level event.
I think that's true for humans but I do wonder about other species. Like the havoc this could play on food chains and such.

I mean we've been driving other species to extinction anyway but this will be a lot worse I suspect.

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Wanglicious
11/20/20 4:46:21 PM
#471:


Jakyl25 posted...
The issue here is people using Nazi as a catch all for irredeemable bigot

Like yes, its very hard to pin Third Reich levels of anti-semitism onto Trump personally, and thats kind of a prerequisite to being technically a Nazi

pretty much, yeah. though it spreads further because now you've gone from what a specific type is (Nazi) to two qualifiers (irredeemable, bigot) and it lends itself to a lot more interpretation. Kushner's existence and the amount of power Trump gave him is exactly what makes claims of him being one silly: you'd be hardpressed to find a Jewish person in a more powerful position in the US, ever.

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Jakyl25
11/20/20 4:48:01 PM
#472:


xp1337 posted...

I think that's true for humans but I do wonder about other species. Like the havoc this could play on food chains and such.

I mean we've been driving other species to extinction anyway but this will be a lot worse I suspect.


True. Climate change is definitely the biggest threat to overall life on the planet since...the meteor that killed the dinosaurs?
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HeroDelTiempo17
11/20/20 4:48:22 PM
#473:


xp1337 posted...
I think that's true for humans but I do wonder about other species. Like the havoc this could play on food chains and such.

I mean we've been driving other species to extinction anyway but this will be a lot worse I suspect.

Oh, absolutely. I used the term wrong. It can still be an extinction event, but I take issue with people who assume it will cause the end of humanity. It won't, society will break down and millions or billions will die but the powerful will secure survival. Among the most extreme fringes of the alt-right, this is even the preferred solution to climate change (ecofascism).

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Jakyl25
11/20/20 4:48:36 PM
#474:


Wanglicious posted...
you'd be hardpressed to find a Jewish person in a more powerful position in the US, ever.


Dont tell that to the alt right
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HeroDelTiempo17
11/20/20 4:52:36 PM
#475:


Jakyl25 posted...
The issue here is people using Nazi as a catch all for irredeemable bigot

Like yes, its very hard to pin Third Reich levels of anti-semitism onto Trump personally, and thats kind of a prerequisite to being technically a Nazi

This is why I prefer "white nationalist" or "fascist" but I think it's less worth splitting hairs over than with people complaining about the overuse of "Nazi" as a transparent attempt to erase the bigotry associated with it

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Wanglicious
11/20/20 4:54:09 PM
#476:


oh no, they're exactly the best ones to tell that to.
also the best people to remind that the ONLY reason Trump got nominated for all those Nobel Peace Prizes this year was entirely because of Kushner's actions in the middle east. still a crazy development that i hope Biden capitalizes on even further.

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LordoftheMorons
11/20/20 4:57:39 PM
#477:


Thread

https://twitter.com/richard_primus/status/1329859073098059776?s=21

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Jakyl25
11/20/20 4:59:08 PM
#478:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...


This is why I prefer "white nationalist" or "fascist" but I think it's less worth splitting hairs over than with people complaining about the overuse of "Nazi" as a transparent attempt to erase the bigotry associated with it


Sure. And Trump absolutely emboldens actual Neo Nazis because hes so reticent to ever criticize ANYONE who supports him
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ChaosTonyV4
11/20/20 5:01:43 PM
#479:


Arguing over whether a label of "Nazi" is literal or not is utterly pointless. Everyone know's what you mean, it doesn't necessarily mean you're an actual follower of Hitler.

I'm sure it happened, so how seriously would you take someone who made the argument "Calling the Soup Nazi a Nazi is wrong".

It's not literal, we're all adults who can understand context.

edit: well...we should be

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Wanglicious
11/20/20 5:02:52 PM
#480:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...


It's not literal, we're all adults who can understand context.

...
*blink*
this is a joke right.


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Paratroopa1
11/20/20 5:20:12 PM
#481:


Wanglicious posted...
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*blink*
this is a joke right.
oh this is rich coming from you
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red13n
11/20/20 5:30:21 PM
#482:


We can't argue like adults because then Wang wouldn't be able to make every argument about pointless semantics.

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KamikazePotato
11/20/20 5:35:15 PM
#483:


Good to see the topic series is gradually getting as fed up with Wang as I already was after years of seeing his arguments in Mercenaries

His involvement here is just an extension of that, just about subjects that are actually important and with an Enlightened Centrist Gamergater flavor

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ChaosTonyV4
11/20/20 5:41:44 PM
#484:


I wouldn't have such a problem with Wang's posts as content if he didn't serve it up in the Tim Pool style of "I'm ACTUALLY on the Left, but yes, every single point I make and example I give is ripped straight from Right wing sources, it's just evidence I'm above it all".

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red13n
11/20/20 5:44:05 PM
#485:


Wang's entire premise on most things is that he likes to claim they are things he doesn't necessarily believe, but that there are people that do and there is evidence that points to them being right. Despite that evidence either not existing or being completely unrelated, and still requiring like 15 insane steps to actually prove whatever he is trying desperately to argue for.

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LordoftheMorons
11/20/20 6:08:03 PM
#486:


Don Jr. has covid:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1329924046058889217

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LordoftheMorons
11/20/20 6:13:09 PM
#487:


...and of course they tried to hide it. He tested positive at the beginning of the week:
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1329922951685304320

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LordoftheMorons
11/20/20 6:34:41 PM
#488:


Oh apparently Rick Scott has it too

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TheRock1525
11/20/20 6:38:17 PM
#489:


Skeletor seems like he would be immune to such things.

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LordoftheMorons
11/20/20 6:40:08 PM
#490:


I always thought he looked more like Voldemort

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TheRock1525
11/20/20 6:44:37 PM
#491:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I always thought he looked more like Voldemort
Me too but my brother worked for the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission and that's what his boss used to call him.

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Wanglicious
11/20/20 6:46:13 PM
#492:


best part is i fully expected those answers.
lots of adults and lots of context being understood i see. very cool.


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HeroDelTiempo17
11/20/20 6:53:20 PM
#493:


context is when you don't express any extreme opinion and also agree with me

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Wanglicious
11/20/20 7:08:14 PM
#494:


UBI is pretty extreme honestly. though maybe radical is a better term for that as it's a pretty far departure, though there's mini versions out there like child care in France.

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UshiromiyaEva
11/20/20 7:16:18 PM
#495:


Kemp just certified the GA results for Biden, but did so acting like a petulant child being forced to apologize for trying to steal someone's bike.

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foolm0r0n
11/20/20 7:26:13 PM
#496:


Corrik7 posted...
Glad a kid has a disease and could die, in the hopes that they could either die and make the father hurt or give it to the father and hopefully kill him? It's sick, dude.
This is from a guy who thinks it's ok that a Navy SEAL died in a raid that involved killing an 11 year old American girl just because her dad was a suspected terrorist

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Wanglicious
11/20/20 7:27:06 PM
#497:


oh good, kemp had until tomorrow so good that he got it done tonight. i believe there's two more possible challenges trump can make for georgia but that'd be it. after that he's exhausted every possible option and those results are 100% set for December.

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Wanglicious
11/20/20 7:46:00 PM
#498:


in things that crack me up, i present you the latest kickstarter/gofundme idea: the presidency.

https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1329879694972477440

hey i know the country is fucking wrecked due to a pandemic and no stimulus but donate to my crowdfund for... the... presidency of the united states?
>_>;

seriously, who does this work on. is this the Ouya campaign.

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StealThisSheen
11/20/20 7:48:11 PM
#499:


Wanglicious posted...
in things that crack me up, i present you the latest kickstarter/gofundme idea: the presidency.

https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1329879694972477440

hey i know the country is fucking wrecked due to a pandemic and no stimulus but donate to my crowdfund for... the... presidency of the united states?
>_>;

seriously, who does this work on. is this the Ouya campaign.

How is this worse than Trump asking for donations for his supposed legal fund?

Which, by the way, as of today he has now bumped it up to 75% of the money going to non-legal fund things of his, up from 60% earlier.

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