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Tmaster148 posted...

If you are talking about Hunter's Volley, that's a Sniper only combat art.

Oh? Interesting. Hunter's Volley is very powerful. I haven't seen what else Bow Knights bring to the table but it has to be good to compete with such a powerful Combat Art.

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DepreceV2 posted...

One more thing, I'm learning thorough all the A Supports from Ferdinand that he is lowkey a player isn't he? He is making all the girls blush and want him in every A support LMAO

You should see Linhardt's A supports.

But in general the A supports are like that for everyone.

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In Maddening mode Sniper is generally considered superior to Bow Knight because of Hunter's Volley. There's another bow combat art that allows the user to strike twice (brave effect) and which can be used by bow knights, but only a few characters can get it.
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DepreceV2 posted...

Question, if I promote Bernadetta to a Bow Knight, does she still keep all of her Combat Arts even though it is more like a lateral move than a pure promotion? I was wondering why people don't Snipers aren't that good in this game when they feel really strong. However, if they keep all the Combat Arts from the Sniper after becoming a Bow Knight then I can see Snipers just being inferior Bow Knights. It's kinda weird to balance like that. If they removed dismount and didn't let you keep everything from one class to the other then I think the game would be balanced a lot better IMO. You won't see Flyers and Horseback as the best classes by default.

The vast majority of Combat Arts are character based. The character will always have them once unlocked. There are a handful of Class specific Combat Arts that require you to be that class to use. They almost always require class mastery to unlock. Hunter's Volley is one of them.

Also, and this is particularly true in non-Maddening difficulties, the Master Classes are not lateral moves from the Advanced classes but straight upgrades. Bow Knight has more range and more movement than Sniper, it has admittedly weaker class growths but those are nothing compared to the sheer mobility and range a Bow Knight has. The two exceptions to this are Assassin, because it has 6 move, ignores terrain and the Master Swordfaire Class is actual garbage, and Grappler because it has 6 move, ignores terrain and Fierce Iron Fist is great. If you are playing Maddening, Sniper has a legitimate case over Bow Knight for some characters because Hunter's Volley allows you to obtain safe kills you would otherwise not be able to get (this is generally a non-issue in the lower difficulties).

Edit: Oh, Paladin is also probably better than Great Knight too as Great Knight requiring you to raise both Armor and Riding skills is a burden not worth it's statistical advantage along with it's range drop off. That said Primary Lance users are better served going into flying classes than riding classes anyway.

Also Holy Knight should not have just been shitty Dark Knight. It should have been like a classic fantasy Paladin. Focused mostly on physically attacking with the ability cast magic. It should have required A Lance, A Riding, and C Faith. Its skill should have been Lancefaire, Canto, and Heal +10. It's base stats should have been mostly focused on physically attacking.

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I definitely plan on playing the other paths but it might be a while until I do, got a lot of other things in the Black Friday backlog, and the 90 hour campaign was a little draining.

I did at least start the New Game + and played up through far enough to choose Blue Lions and use Renown to jump up to Professor Level A+. I will probably just do that run on Normal, Golden Deer on Hard wasn't bad but I wanna breeze through it with the campaign being so long.
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Gheb posted...

Bow Knight has more range and more movement than Sniper, it has admittedly weaker class growths but those are nothing compared to the sheer mobility and range a Bow Knight has.

It also has motha
fucking
CANTO.

Even in maddening I prefer bow knights because you don't need safe kills when you can endlessly kite from 4 range away.

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How great is that unique class did the main character? I kind of want to use after I max out hero because its story however, I might want to be a Sniper in my next run which is kinda weird for some people. I always liked bows

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It's not game breaking or anything, but it's pretty decent, at least for a first playthrough. Swordfaire and the ability to use healing is a pretty good combo for Byleth who you always want to have other units arround to take advantage of the exp boost.

Jesus it looks dumb, though.

Also, in case you didn't notice since the game never tells you, when your hair changed colour your personal ability got upgraded.
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DepreceV2 posted...

How great is that unique class did the main character? I kind of want to use after I max out hero because its story however, I might want to be a Sniper in my next run which is kinda weird for some people. I always liked bows

Enlightened One? It's meh. Better than a lot of infantry units but still an infantry unit.

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DepreceV2 posted...

How great is that unique class did the main character? I kind of want to use after I max out hero because its story however, I might want to be a Sniper in my next run which is kinda weird for some people. I always liked bows

It gives very nice skill boost exp, extra HP, Str, Mag, Def, and Cha growths, and swordfaire is a nice boost with sword of the creator. There are much better classes of course but it's a good class on it's own merits.

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Tbh I found Byleth to be fairly ineffective in combat compared to most of the students of Golden Deer. The only ones that might have been worse were Ignatz, who was too weak without a Brave weapon, and Lorenz who had a glass jaw.
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AvlButtslam posted...

Tbh I found Byleth to be fairly ineffective in combat compared to most of the students of Golden Deer. The only ones that might have been worse were Ignatz, who was too weak without a Brave weapon, and Lorenz who had a glass jaw.

Lorenz makes a pretty good dark knight.

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DepreceV2 posted...

How great is that unique class did the main character? I kind of want to use after I max out hero because its story however, I might want to be a Sniper in my next run which is kinda weird for some people. I always liked bows

It's a free swordfaire master class with 6 move, magic access, and a solid passive buff for mastery. It's not an optimal class, but it's easy, sync's well with Byleth's stats and proficiencies and gets the job done. If you, like most people, mostly just followed Byleth's proficiencies on your first playthrough, it's probably the best class for him.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Lorenz makes a pretty good dark knight.

Lorenz's stat growths just put him in that awkward middling tier that can leave him overly susceptible to getting screwed by the RNG. Obviously the reverse holds true but even a blessed Lorenz is probably not gonna outperform units that are a bit less balanced (like his direct magic competition in Lysithia and Mariane or his horsy competition like Leonie) while a screwed Lorenz will absolutely be a weakspot on your team.

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Yeah I actually did make him a Dark Knight but he was weak enough where putting him out there would make all the enemy units target him, and it'd only take one to OHKO him so I was never aggressive using him and he fell behind in levels.
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Mixed attack units are always one of those things that work better in theory than they do in practice more often than not. Typically one attack type ends up generally stronger to the degree that it will mostly overshadow the other that you will mostly use it and the instances where you having good other attack pops up pretty rarely. It doesn't help that there really isn't a balanced mixed type class that has double Faires (besides Mortal Savant lol). Which means one type is gonna be far more effective. I actually wouldn't be surprised if Paladin Lorenz using the occasional Frozen Lance isn't an ultimately more functional Mixed Attacking unit. Certainly one that requires a lot less work to make.

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It is interesting that they are treating the battle at the church as some incredibly difficult battle. I understand it being difficult for other troops in other battles but the main battle that took place wasn't that difficult at all. Especially when you compare it to some other battles. Hell, Seteth only had 1 range and couldn't move. I didn't even have to engage him directly which is so strange. I don't understand that. Plus, there was forest and thicket everywhere. Made it far to easy to strategize against them IMO.

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DepreceV2 posted...

It is interesting that they are treating the battle at the church as some incredibly difficult battle. I understand it being difficult for other troops in other battles but the main battle that took place wasn't that difficult at all. Especially when you compare it to some other battles. Hell, Seteth only had 1 range and couldn't move. I didn't even have to engage him directly which is so strange. I don't understand that. Plus, there was forest and thicket everywhere. Made it far to easy to strategize against them IMO.

Three Houses non-Maddening difficulties just aren't that difficult. There genuinely isn't very many hard maps in Normal or Hard mode.

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I don't remember the black eagles specific version of that fight, but it's one of the more complicated maps on other routes.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

I don't remember the black eagles specific version of that fight, but it's one of the more complicated maps on other routes.

I can see assaulting that area being a lot more difficult than defending it.

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Blue Lions has so many lancers.
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AvlButtslam posted...

Blue Lions has so many lancers.

And it is a damn shame that two of them don't have Falcon Knight access.

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It's more a shame that only 1 of them (2 if you count a second character who isn't really a blue lion) have Swift Strikes.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

It's more a shame that only 1 of them (2 if you count a second character who isn't really a blue lion) have Swift Strikes.

Swift Strikes is an absurd ability. Just makes the Swift Striker can't be in the best Lancefaire class. Though he is only losing out by like 2 Attack by being a WL instead and has the proficiencies to easily get in the class so it isn't a big deal.

Falcon Knight Dimitri would be a terrifying monster unit though. Most of the perks of being a WL but with much better Proficiency alignment. Once he qualified for Peg Knight he'd become a night unhittable force of nature.

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Hubert really wants to be a pegasus knight and it's sad that he can't because the game follows rigid gender roles.
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Dark Flier Hubert would be all the dreams coming true.

Also a damn good unit.

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They really needed to add more than one flying magic battalion to the game when they released dark flier. Being effectively limited to one in an NG playthrough or +1 for each NG+ cycle is just insanely dumb.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

They really needed to add more than one flying magic battalion to the game when they released dark flier. Being effectively limited to one in an NG playthrough or +1 for each NG+ cycle is just insanely dumb.

Can't you buy as much of the seal as you want with new game points?

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Yes, but the only battalion that can be used by flying units that is magic-focused is gained from Constance's and Yuri's paralogue, so you can only have one dark flier that has properly decked out in NG.
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To be fair the base game didn't really have a need for them since the closest thing to an effective flying mage in the base game was WL Annette. But yeah it sucks that that the DLC only added one, and behind kinda annoying requirements, though I suppose it helps balance the class out a bit. I mean it is an endgame viable class that you can get in at level 20 and never need to think about reclassing ever again. And it is endgame viable because it is legitimately great not because the Master Options suck (poor Swordfaire folks).

Battalion availability really is the only thing Flyers have working against them in this game.

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Is it generally worth having each unit master a lot of different classes, or just get to the endgame class as quickly as possible and leave them there?
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Most mastery skills aren't that good. In general you'll want to get a few specific ones rather than just "a lot" of them.

Specifically master classes generally offer really bad, or really situational mastery skills. Advanced classes also aren't great. Beginners classes and intermediary ones probably are the ones it's most important to master for specific skills independent of what you want to go for.
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AvlButtslam posted...

Is it generally worth having each unit master a lot of different classes, or just get to the endgame class as quickly as possible and leave them there?

The best Mastery Skills are probably as follows

Death Blow: Brigand
Darting Blow: Peg Knight
Uncanny Blow: Mage
Hit +20: Archer
Quick Repost: Warmaster

These skills will always be useful on any unit that can get them, though sometimes they are overkill or impractical to get for some units.

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Fiendish Blow*

Uncanny Blow is from Valkyrie and... isn't great. Well, that's a lie. It's not bad. It's no Fiendish Blow, though.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Fiendish Blow*

Uncanny Blow is from Valkyrie and... isn't great.

That's what I meant.

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So I upgraded my Dorothea to a Mortal Servant from a Warlock and Im not so sure I prefer it. The movement seemed to be increase but my spell durabilities seemed to be cut in half. Going from 2 to 1 Meteors really sucks

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Mortal Savant is kind of a meme class. It embodies something that just doesn't work well in TH. Namely a physical and magic hybrid unit. It also is really slow, which isn't a big deal for magic units going into it, but is for units that go into it for sword reasons with magic as a bonus.
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Mortal Savant is a really bad class that really doesn't fit any unit.

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Compsognathus posted...

Mortal Savant is a really bad class that really doesn't fit any unit.

Thats exactly what it felt like when I used it. Im switching her back to Warlock. Maybe Ill try another class

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DepreceV2 posted...

Thats exactly what it felt like when I used it. Im switching her back to Warlock. Maybe Ill try another class

Gremory is great for her. One of the few Master classes that feels worth it.

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TC gonna need to work hard for Gremory Dorothea if he hasn't started working on her Faith yet >_>
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Warlock Dorothea is typically good enough outside of her terrible move, but given her weakness in Riding she was destined for terrible move regardless. She gets double Meteor and actually hits harder than Gremory does because of Tomefaire.

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Compsognathus posted...

Warlock Dorothea is typically good enough outside of her terrible move, but given her weakness in Riding she was destined for terrible move regardless. She gets double Meteor and actually hits harder than Gremory does because of Tomefaire.

With DLC you can go Dark Flier pretty easily since for whatever reason Dark Flier has C+ flying requirement while Valkyrie has B+. And it's not like you need C+ flying exactly either to pass as you can get away with D+/C Flying.

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True, I was thinking Base game. Dark Flier is a good and relatively easy class option for her. That said, Dorothea's big thing is Meteor so I'm not sure it is worth giving up double uses for move.

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Tbh, Meteor isn't particularly great. It can occasionally be clutch, but most of the time it's main use to me (in non-maddening) is to make it possible for Dorothea to link attack and Gambit boost from half a map away.
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Is there something/someone in Blue Lion who is as good of a Death Knight slayer as Dark Spikes Lysithea?
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Dimitri, Sylvain and Ingrid with Knightkneeler combat art and/or Horseslayer(+) lance. Probably needs some chip damage beforehand, though. Dedue can usually surive an attack sequence, or gambits cause tiny damage but can't be counter attacked.
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AvlButtslam posted...

Is there something/someone in Blue Lion who is as good of a Death Knight slayer as Dark Spikes Lysithea?

Slyvain using Knight Kneeler with the Lance of Ruin does healthy damage for the early encounters, but it still isn't the win button that Dark Spikes is

Later encounters can just have Dimitri murder him and Dimitri murders everything.

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Are you trying to summon the resident Dimitri/Blue Lions hater with this unabashed Dimitri praise?
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