Current Events > Man walks in on guy robbing diner. Casually shoots him dead. Won't be charged.

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The Sock posted...

You didn't answer my question, lol.

No I would not. I avoid confrontation when I can (one of my winning personality traits), so I'd be too chickenshit to grab a weapon and fight back, let alone kill any one.

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Background_Guy posted...

If it was a cop he probably would have killed all the hostages by mistake.

Mistake? you give cops too much credit

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Philip027 posted...

A: Fair, next
B: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
C: Boom, headshot
D: All of the above

The answer is a big fat D

Nazanir posted...

No I would not. I avoid confrontation when I can (one of my winning personality traits), so I'd be too chickenshit to grab a weapon and fight back, let alone kill any one.

I dont know that this is something to be proud of, let alone something to use to place yourself far above others.

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Nazanir posted...

No I would not. I avoid confrontation when I can (one of my winning personality traits), so I'd be too chickenshit to grab a weapon and fight back, let alone kill any one.

@Nazanir OK. Now, what if someone was threatening to kill one of your loved ones and there was a weapon nearby. What would you do then?

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jesus christ, imagine sinking so low you have to try and rob a fucking BUFFALO WING PLACE

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flussence posted...

god bless america that evil criminal was prevented from unfairly taking 27.4 minutes of the CEO's salary from a cash register

If that was all that was happening here then maybe youd have a smidgen of a point

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shnangyboos posted...

I dont know that this is something to be proud of, let alone something to use to place yourself far above others.

I can be avoiding of confrontation while also being against violence. Valuing human life apparantly is not a good trait in your eyes then.

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Nazanir posted...

I can be avoiding of confrontation while also being against violence. Valuing human life apparantly is not a good trait in your eyes then.

Defending yourself is a good trait in my eyes, and most everyone's eyes. I avoid confrontation as well, but I'll defend myself against someone trying to do violence against me. Again, try your hardest, but this isn't a trait that places you above others. Seems like you value human life except your own.

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shnangyboos posted...

Defending yourself is a good trait in my eyes, and most everyone's eyes. I avoid confrontation as well, but I'll defend myself against someone trying to do violence against me. Again, try your hardest, but this isn't a trait that places you above others. Seems like you value human life except your own.

Still disturbing to see, which was my initial point, to see people literally cheering on the murdering of someone.

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Ill defend myself, even if it kills me

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viewmaster_pi posted...

jesus christ, imagine sinking so low you have to try and rob a fucking BUFFALO WING PLACE

robbing low tier places makes more sense than robbing rich high security places

this is why corner stores are robbed so often

much higher chance of getting away with it sadly :(

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@Nazanir If you were forced to use violence to defend someone you love, would you?

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The Sock posted...

@Nazanir If you were forced to use violence to defend someone you love, would you?

I might, yes.

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Nazanir posted...

I might, yes.

@Nazanir I knew there was a hero within you. So what is the difference between someone using violence to defend the lives of those they love and someone using violence to defend the lives of people they've never met? Aren't both honorable things to do?

Also, when you admitted earlier that you would be too chickenshit to shoot someone that was about to kill you, that's OK. There's nothing wrong with that. 99.9% of people would be terrified in that type of situation too.

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The Sock posted...

@Nazanir I knew there was a hero within you. So what is the difference between someone using violence to defend the lives of those they love and someone using violence to defend the lives of people they've never met? Aren't both honorable things to do?

Also, when you admitted earlier that you would be too chickenshit to shoot someone that was about to kill you, that's OK. There's nothing wrong with that. 99.9% of people would be terrified in that type of situation too.

That has nothing to with being a hero, and that is exacrly my point: everyone is regarding this as a hero, as a good thing.

Violence should never be celebrated, which was my initial point.

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its hard to feel bad for the robber

could the man have shot him in the shoulder or something instead in order to deter him? maybe but that might have only pissed the robber off more

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Im surprised an untrained (or almost certainly not as highly trained) civilian only shot once. Cops woulda emptied ten clips into that guy.

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Nazanir posted...

That has nothing to with being a hero, and that is exacrly my point: everyone is regarding this as a hero, as a good thing.

Violence should never be celebrated, which was my initial point.

@Nazanir I think people are celebrating the fact that a monster like him was stopped.

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I kinda see Nazanir's point

While I agree that the guy did nothing wrong and his actions were totally justifiable given the circumstances , the reaction in this topic of cheers and celebration and praise of death to an almost worshipful sexual degree is uncomfortable as fuck

The dead guy's death is still a sad affair. Even though he was a criminal.

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The Sock posted...

@Nazanir I think people are celebrating the fact that a monster like him was stopped.

It's a fair circumstance of self defense but I, and I assume at least some others, don't assume that the guy was a monster because he was robbing a wing joint.

Tenlaar posted...

It's a fair circumstance of self defense but I, and I assume at least some others, don't assume that the guy was a monster because he was robbing a wing joint.

Putting a deadly weapon in someones face in order to rob them makes you a monster.

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ghettoraider81 posted...

Putting a deadly weapon in someones face in order to rob them makes you a monster.

You have a childish worldview. I can't stop you from that, but I won't participate.

I hope he gets his gun back in a timely fashion

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He has a license to kill apparently... :/

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Its like the scene from Trigun

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Love and Peace

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It's a fair circumstance of self defense but I, and I assume at least some others, don't assume that the guy was a monster because he was robbing a wing joint.

Robbing someone and pointing a gun at them (so presumably under threat of death) makes you pretty monstrous. It doesn't matter who or what kind of "joint" it is you're robbing.

Cobalt_Wasps posted...

ITT: Murder is justifiable

Murder is a crime. What this man did was kill someone in self-defense, which is entirely justifiable. You just like to stir shit.

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Nazanir posted...

Because the majority of people seem to be fine with killing someone and justifying it.

I am not defending the robber, but people here believe they can deem you wortht or unworthy, in this case, to live.

Fuck laws, fuck the justice system, fuck everything. Just have everyone play judge, jury and executioner.

That's what most reactions are like. And yes, it's disgusting.

This

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He got lucky. Just let the robbery happen and it can be sorted out once the dude runs. Very few robberies end in murder. Don't play hero.

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Tenlaar posted...

You have a childish worldview. I can't stop you from that, but I won't participate.

First rule of pulling out a gun, dont pull out a gun unless you are prepared to use it.

If someone points a gun you have to assume they are going to use it.

You children defend these people like they are the victim. When you grow up, youll see some people are just evil.

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hockeybub89 posted...

He got lucky. Just let the robbery happen and it can be sorted out once the dude runs. Very few robberies end in murder. Don't play hero.

Exactly this if the robber actually had bullets in the gun he would have unloaded the second ritenhouse junior went for his gun. Nobody's life is worth a stupid cellphone smh seriously disappointed in ce. A lot of new edgy bois in here.
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And nobody in this story should have been carrying a gun. Not even the cop.

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ghettoraider81 posted...

First rule of pulling out a gun, dont pull out a gun unless you are prepared to use it.

If someone points a gun you have to assume they are going to use it.

I've already said it was a fair instance of self defense, that has nothing to do with your petty judgements.

You children defend these people like they are the victim. When you grow up, youll see some people are just evil.

Oh no, don't escalate from me calling you childish by saying I'm an actual child! People can be desperate and/or hopeless without being monsters, or "evil" as people with childish worldviews like to say.

I am not defending the robber, but people here believe they can deem you wortht or unworthy, in this case, to live.

When you're waving around a gun and they think there's a very real possibility you may use it to kill them, then yeah, people are going to deem you unworthy. Do you think this is complicated?

Amazing how many people will whine and cry about how mean ol' CE is so okay with "murder" because people here are smart enough to recognize that you do not point a gun at someone unless you are ready and willing to kill them. This dude pointed a gun at multiple people, there was nothing for the guy who shot him to do except assume he and the people being robbed would die if he did not react immediately. You're not valuing human life more than others because they think it's better for the would be murderer to die than the innocent people and you disagree.

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Panthera posted...

Amazing how many people will whine and cry about how mean ol' CE is so okay with "murder" because people here are smart enough to recognize that you do not point a gun at someone unless you are ready and willing to kill them. This dude pointed a gun at multiple people, there was nothing for the guy who shot him to do except assume he and the people being robbed would die if he did not react immediately. You're not valuing human life more than others because they think it's better for the would be murderer to die than the innocent people and you disagree.

I would like to stress and repeat myself at this point, we shouldn't even be listening to each other on this subject. This whole thread shouldn't even exist! There is no need for this moral dilemma.

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paerarru posted...

I would like to stress and repeat myself at this point, we shouldn't even be listening to each other on this subject. This whole thread shouldn't even exist! There is no need for this moral dilemma.

Guns exist and people have them. They will continue to have them. There is nothing that can be done about that at this point, no matter what laws or measures are enacted. Just like adolescents and alcohol, anyone who really wants to get it still can.

Arguing about "shoulds" is pointless.

Imagine getting upset because people aren't overflowing with sympathy because the guy who threatened other people's lives for maybe a few grand ended up dead

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paerarru posted...

There is no need for this moral dilemma.

I agree, if someone implies a lethal threat to you with a weapon, there is no moral dilemma in killing them first.

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Philip027 posted...

Guns exist and people have them. They will continue to have them. There is nothing that can be done about that at this point, no matter what laws or measures are enacted. Just like adolescents and alcohol, anyone who really wants to get it still can.

Arguing about "shoulds" is pointless.

No, it's not pointless, in fact without the shoulds then we REALLY have nothing to talk about. This whole thread is about shoulds. And A LOT can be done, both about guns and alcohol and everything else. No, it's not just "guns exist and people have them, oh well". This is exactly the kind of thinking that makes it so that the robber killed several people and then got away, because there was no oh so good hearted law abiding citizen with a gun there to stop the robber. Just to pick the most immediate example.

Crazyman93 posted...

I agree, if someone implies a lethal threat to you with a weapon, there is no moral dilemma in killing them first.

Okay fine, I should have said there's no need for this moral trade off, I don't know what word to use it's late and I'm tired. No matter what little you think of the trade off.

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I just hope he's handling it well. The guy is a hero, but taking a life isn't an easy thing for a person to live with, no matter how justified it was(and in this case, it was completely justified.).

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omega cookie posted...

I just hope he's handling it well. The guy is a hero, but taking a life isn't an easy thing for a person to live with, no matter how justified it was(and in this case, it was completely justified.).

It's really not, and if it is for anyone then it's not guns and cops and robbers that's the problem anymore.

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Most gun owners are responsible, and said gun owners hope to never have to actually use their guns, and same said gun owners would never be happy about killing anybody. They do whatever they have to do have to protect their loved ones or even strangers. The shooter in this story? I'm willing to bet that he wasn't happy about killing the robber. He did what he had to do. It's easy for us to say "Oh, why didn't he just shoot him in the leg or in the shoulder?" Well, that's easy for us to say because we weren't actually there. We didn't know what went on.

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The Sock posted...

Most gun owners are responsible, and said gun owners hope to never have to actually use their guns, and same said gun owners would never be happy about killing anybody. They do whatever they have to do have to protect their loved ones or even strangers. The shooter in this story? I'm willing to bet that he wasn't happy about killing the robber. He did what he had to do. It's easy for us to say "Oh, why didn't he just shoot him in the leg or in the shoulder?" Well, that's easy for us to say because we weren't actually there. We didn't know what went on.

"Just shoot the leg" is idiotic and I cringe when Joe Biden said it

What's rule 1 of gun ownership?

Always assume the gun is loaded. Correct

But what's rule 1 of shooting a gun at someone? Always always always aim got center mass or in other words chest.

Several reasons why

1. Your aim is not as good as you think it is . Especially against a moving tartet in a high stress fast situation. You might miss the chest, let alone the head or limb and in doing so put the bystanders and property in jeopardy

2. This isn't a movie. People can still die from being shot in the leg or arm and also people can be largely unaffected by being shot in the arm or leg. Especially if they are hopped up on something

Shoot another gunman in the arm or leg and both extremes are possible . he could still die or he could just shoot you back

Aiming for the leg is idiocy and anyone who promotes it is at best ignorant of gun safety

might as well say "why not shoot the guns out of his hand?"

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I kinda see Nazanir's point

While I agree that the guy did nothing wrong and his actions were totally justifiable given the circumstances , the reaction in this topic of cheers and celebration and praise of death to an almost worshipful sexual degree is uncomfortable as fuck

The dead guy's death is still a sad affair. Even though he was a criminal.

Killing someone might not be something to celebrate but let's not pretend this is a sad affair either lol.

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CProtectionSvce posted...

Killing someone might not be something to celebrate but let's not pretend this is a sad affair either lol.

I'd consider killing a man to be a sad affair

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I'd consider killing a man to be a sad affair

You're actually shedding tears for him?

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