Current Events > Wait.... can your work fire you if you refuse to get vaccines?

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For example, say I dont want to take the flu vaccine or the COVID vaccine and my employer decides to require it of every employee

Is it legal to fire you if you refuse to take it? My wife told me that they cant do that and you can sue if they do but at the same time.... its hard to sue a company if we live at an at-will state

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I kinda hope so.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I kinda hope so.

uh why? nobody can force me to put anything I dont want in my body

what if the vaccines have negative effects on me and I end up seriously ill?

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I kinda hope so.

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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

what if the vaccines have negative effects on me and I end up seriously ill?

That won't happen by contracting CoVID?
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I kinda hope so.

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teepan95 posted...

That won't happen by contracting CoVID?

I can just stay wearing a mask. Just saying.

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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

I can just stay wearing a mask

I wore a mask everywhere and I got the (regular) flu. Friends of mine wore the mask and still got CoVID. It reduces the chances, doesn't eliminate them entirely
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Yes, absolutely depending on the job. At a health org I worked at it was required to get the flu shot if you work in any hospital. Ive heard most others here require the same.

A few others too. Pretty much any correctional facility will likely require things like TB shots and stuff

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Anti-vaxxers should be barred from public. They can interact with people when they decide they want to cooperate with people.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Anti-vaxxers should be barred from public. They can interact with people when they decide they want to cooperate with people.

Not really because nobody can force anyone to put something in their body that they arent comfortable with

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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

Not really because nobody can force anyone to put something in their body that they arent comfortable with

I like how you keep saying this but then get upset about an employer wanting to fire you. Like it is fine for you to do whatever you want regardless of other people's well being, but fuck your employer for doing what they want regardless of your well being right? Grow up.

AzNDarkSamurai posted...

uh why? nobody can force me to put anything I dont want in my body

And you can't force your work to let you into the building.

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I think we need to actually add a *maximum* karma requirement to CE lol. When did ? blocks consistently become the worst shitposters? >_>

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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

Not really because nobody can force anyone to put something in their body that they arent comfortable with

Well they can work from home and teach their own children while they deal with the measles outbreak they are responsible for. You can live and own property, but no one else has to be comfortable having you around. They need to decide what's more important: sticking to their beliefs or interacting with the public. It's 100% their choice.

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Liberals only care about bodily autonomy when it involves killing the unborn.

thrashmetal14 posted...

Liberals only care about bodily autonomy when it involves killing the unborn.

"Your body, my choice" is the exact opposite of the bodily autonomy argument. Making everyone deal with the reintroduction of preventable diseases to satisfy your beliefs is like forcing a woman to die so her child can live.

You can't force every individual to vaccinate directly. But you can't force everyone else to deal with them either.

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If you live in an at will state you can be fired for no reason

So yes, yes you can

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K181 posted...

And you can't force your work to let you into the building.

You can by telling them youre gonna sue if they fire you for refusing to get vaccinated. Refusing a vaccine is not a fireable offense

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Some fields can, actually, because you would be refusing to follow the established safety protocol in place for security of staff, clientele, and site regulations. And the institutions will typically side with the employer in those cases.

I mean you can try suing, but...don't plan on winning.

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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

You can by telling them youre gonna sue if they fire you for refusing to get vaccinated. Refusing a vaccine is not a fireable offense

Don't worry. No one will need to work if the human race dies out from preventable disease. At least everyone will be at peace knowing anti-vaxxers had the most important freedom

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If you're in medical it would probably be hard to fight

Others you might be able to claim a religious exemption?

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You should be fired for putting others in danger.

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hockeybub89 posted...

"Your body, my choice" is the exact opposite of the bodily autonomy argument. Making everyone deal with the reintroduction of preventable diseases to satisfy your beliefs is like forcing a woman to die so her child can live.

You can't force every individual to vaccinate directly. But you can't force everyone else to deal with them either.

So it's only "my body, my choice" up until the point that the government forcibly injects you with whatever substance they deem fit. If you just admitted that you don't support an individual's right over their own body, your argument would be a lot more reasonable.

Dreepapult posted...

If you're in medical it would probably be hard to fight

Others you might be able to claim a religious exemption?

Here in Australia, "religious exemption" is only worth the paper it is written on. If you're an anti-vaxer Christian, for example, and you want to enroll your kid in school, you have to get the kid vaccinated. Your personal beliefs go out the window if they put other people at risk.

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thrashmetal14 posted...

So it's only "my body, my choice" up until the point that the government forcibly injects you with whatever substance they deem fit. If you just admitted that you don't support an individual's right over their own body, your argument would be a lot more reasonable.

I mean think of it in the reverse.

You have the right over your own body that, if you wanted to, you could willingly inject yourself with bird flu.

Of course, nobody would be in the wrong for not wanting to be within 29 and a half foot of you. >_>


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thrashmetal14 posted...

So it's only "my body, my choice" up until the point that the government forcibly injects you with whatever substance they deem fit. If you just admitted that you don't support an individual's right over their own body, your argument would be a lot more reasonable.

For some, bodily autonomy has a little asterisk next to it. And yes, complete societal ostracism unless taken is it being forced on you.

I just wish these types would stop using bodily autonomy as an argument, since they dont actually care about it.

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thrashmetal14 posted...

So it's only "my body, my choice" up until the point that the government forcibly injects you with whatever substance they deem fit. If you just admitted that you don't support an individual's right over their own body, your argument would be a lot more reasonable.

Why is it so hard to understand that normal people just don't want to get fucked in the ass by someone else's decision? Nobody gives a shit if an anti-vaxxer wants to not get vaccinated and die. If they all want to go and start a community and die together we would be PERFECTLY fine with that. Go start an anti-vaxxer mcdonalds. Go make an anti-vaxxer move theater. We don't care. Just stay the fuck away from normal people. Stop affecting other people with shitty decisions. If you want to play baseball with the rest of the kids you can't show up with a tennis racket and then get pissed when nobody lets you play. Just go fucking play tennis.

You can be fired for pretty much anything in the USA.

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Dingydang166 posted...

Why is it so hard to understand that normal people just don't want to get fucked in the ass by someone else's decision? Nobody gives a shit if an anti-vaxxer wants to not get vaccinated and die. If they all want to go and start a community and die together we would be PERFECTLY fine with that. Go start an anti-vaxxer mcdonalds. Go make an anti-vaxxer move theater. We don't care. Just stay the fuck away from normal people. Stop affecting other people with shitty decisions. If you want to play baseball with the rest of the kids you can't show up with a tennis racket and then get pissed when nobody lets you play. Just go fucking play tennis.

I'm sure most anti-vaxxers would love to go build a cabin in the middle of nowhere and live off the grid. But it's illegal. Big brother needs to keep the tax paying cattle around.

Dingydang166 posted...

Why is it so hard to understand that normal people just don't want to get fucked in the ass by someone else's decision? Nobody gives a shit if an anti-vaxxer wants to not get vaccinated and die. If they all want to go and start a community and die together we would be PERFECTLY fine with that. Go start an anti-vaxxer mcdonalds. Go make an anti-vaxxer move theater. We don't care. Just stay the fuck away from normal people. Stop affecting other people with shitty decisions. If you want to play baseball with the rest of the kids you can't show up with a tennis racket and then get pissed when nobody lets you play. Just go fucking play tennis.

Bingo

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I kinda hope so.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Anti-vaxxers should be barred from public. They can interact with people when they decide they want to cooperate with people.

I agree with this but the covid vaccine was seriously rushed. Vaccines go through years of safety testing before they can be approved for use. This could be one of the "the cure is worse than the disease" type of things.


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runewalshPSiv posted...

I agree with this but the covid vaccine was seriously rushed. Vaccines go through years of safety testing before they can be approved for use. This could be one of the "the cure is worse than the disease" type of things.

The fact that the entire world is working on and providing funding for this vaccine is probably going to help accelerate the process a fair bit.

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pegusus123456 posted...

The fact that the entire world is working on and providing funding for this vaccine is probably going to help accelerate the process a fair bit.

For sure it would help for the development process. But I dont think money can make safety trials go any faster.


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^thats also why im worried about taking it too

no way is it fully developed yet without any problems

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Hope so

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I kinda hope so.

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I'm pro-vaccine, but I don't believe flu shots help me at all. I've never had one and I've never had the flu. Meanwhile, every person who gets the flu shot feels shitty for a bit afterwards. Is my immune system just good at what it does?

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Dingydang166 posted...

I like how you keep saying this but then get upset about an employer wanting to fire you. Like it is fine for you to do whatever you want regardless of other people's well being, but fuck your employer for doing what they want regardless of your well being right? Grow up.

Underrated post


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I most definitely would fire everyone for that

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Aint gonna happen. You all can talk about it as much as you want, but lets be honest nobody on gamefaqs message boards owns a business or is gonna make this decision. Too many people are against the vaccine, it wont happen so yea get used to it. If you dont like it tough shit.

Wait, if you are required to have Vaccines to go to school/college where you pay the money then why cant it be required by a business that PAYS YOU money?

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Probably depends on the state. You literally dont need a reason to fire someone in Ohio.

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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

You can by telling them youre gonna sue if they fire you for refusing to get vaccinated. Refusing a vaccine is not a fireable offense

In most states, basically anything is a fireable offense.

Refusing to get vaccinated isn't a protected social class.

And bodily autonomy doesn't apply to mitigating the spread of infections diseases.

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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

uh why? nobody can force me to put anything I dont want in my body

what if the vaccines have negative effects on me and I end up seriously ill?

That job isnt a requirement and theyre not making you do anything you dont want to. You just simply wont work there.

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SquirtleSkwad posted...

I'm pro-vaccine, but I don't believe flu shots help me at all. I've never had one and I've never had the flu. Meanwhile, every person who gets the flu shot feels shitty for a bit afterwards. Is my immune system just good at what it does?

I dont feel bad after getting a flu shot.

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SquirtleSkwad posted...

I'm pro-vaccine, but I don't believe flu shots help me at all. I've never had one and I've never had the flu. Meanwhile, every person who gets the flu shot feels shitty for a bit afterwards. Is my immune system just good at what it does?

You might very well have an exceptional immune system, but statistically speaking you are better off getting routine flu shots.

And regarding feeling bad after a flu shot, you're listening to a self-selecting segment. If you get a flu shot and don't have side effects or get sick, you're not going to really talk about it. I've gotten flu shots essentially every year since my last chemo treatment almost two decades ago, and I've had a mild adverse reaction maybe twice. And I say maybe, because one was definitely the pharmacist just fucking up sticking me, so I just had a boo-boo.

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thrashmetal14 posted...

So it's only "my body, my choice" up until the point that the government forcibly injects you with whatever substance they deem fit. If you just admitted that you don't support an individual's right over their own body, your argument would be a lot more reasonable.

No one can force you to get a vaccine, but it would be pretty silly to force people to hang around you. Bodily autonomy doesn't exist beyond your skin. You can set yourself on fire, but you can't force people to allow you near their clothes and gasoline. "I choose no vaccines, so you must accept polio." That's not how it works.

Freedom is not forcing everyone to sacrifice their freedom so you can enjoy yours unimpeded. This wacky sovereign citizen-type bullshit is getting way too mainstream.

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