Current Events > "Batman would beat Superman because Batman is smarter than Superman"

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"Where as Superman is all brute strength."

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No lies detected?

Batman almost killed the entire Justice League by himself.

I can't remember why but I remember he did. He had plans to stop every hero incase they turned evil or got brainwashed. Then he tuned evil or got brainwashed and unleashed all his plans at once and single-handedly brought the entire league to it's knees.

Then Supes was like "Well you almost killed us all but here's some Kryptonite for some reason because you're so Kaiwai. Use that on me baby"

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James Bond would pummel them both down to the ground

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I mean if being smarter than Supes is all it takes then how come Supers have beaten people like Lex Luther, Brainiac and Zod? Are we going to argue that Batman is smarter than all three of those major villains?

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Veggeta X posted...

I mean if being smarter than Supes is all it takes then how come Supers have beaten people like Lex Luther, Brainiac and Zod? Are we going to argue that Batman is smarter than all three of those major villains?

Yes

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UnfairRepresent posted...

No lies detected?

Batman almost killed the entire Justice League by himself.

I can't remember why but I remember he did. He had plans to stop every hero incase they turned evil or got brainwashed. Then he tuned evil or got brainwashed and unleashed all his plans at once and single-handedly brought the entire league to it's knees.

Then Supes was like "Well you almost killed us all but here's some Kryptonite for some reason because you're so Kaiwai. Use that on me baby"

Nope. In Forever Evil, when the Crime Syndicate (evil Justice League from Earth-3) invaded Earth-2, Batman was completely fucked without the villains that helped him.

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I mean he solves most of his problems by punching them in the face. He and Goku are a lot alike that way.

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It's weird how people think Superman is dumb solely because he's strong.
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I would have to disagree. Lex is dispicted as the smartest man in the DC Universe, he's basically the Tony Stark brains of DC. And Brainiac literally has all the intelligence of all the worlds and planets he devoured. Zod is a military genius and tactician.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

It's weird how people think Superman is dumb solely because he's strong.

This. Mainly casual Batman fans think this.

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Batman can beat anyone even the god if he have time to prepare.

Batman with time and prepare >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any living things
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Smashingpmkns posted...

It's weird how people think Superman is dumb solely because he's strong.

This. Fucking this. He's processes information faster than a supercomputer and if I remember he has genius level intellect. Look at his fight with The Flash in New 52 where he's able to see The Flash regardless of how fast he's moving.

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Aki_Sora posted...

Batman with time and prepare >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any living things

Why can't anyone else have time to plan? Why is this exclusive to Batman?

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Gladius_ posted...

Many casual fans don't realize that superman is actually a super genius. Superman literally knows every fighting style there is, his mind is quicker than any human in existence, and kryptonite is no longer the serious weakness people make it out to be as he has overcome it so many times now it is mostly an irrelevant factor.

Not to mention, he was trained by Batman and Wonder Woman, arguably two of the greatest warriors on Earth.

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Veggeta X posted...

Why can't anyone else have time to plan? Why is this exclusive to Batman?

Because HE BATMAN.
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Batman only has an intellect level of 8, but Superman's at 10.

Gladius_ posted...

Many casual fans don't realize that superman is actually a super genius. Superman literally knows every fighting style there is, his mind is quicker than any human in existence, and kryptonite is no longer the serious weakness people make it out to be as he has overcome it so many times now it is mostly an irrelevant factor.

I don't see too many people saying Superman is dumb. They mostly say he's boring, which is something I heavily disagree with. Even if all you know of Superman is from the DCAU or movies, you can pretty blatantly see that Superman is a highly intelligent character.

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Nerds like to think this, but being smarter sure didn't help them in high school! Haw HAW!

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It doesn't matter how smart you are when, if he wanted to, the other guy could run up to you from across the room, punch you a few thousand times harder than you can hope to survive, then run back to where he started, then repeat that process a hundred times before you can even react

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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

I don't see too many people saying Superman is dumb. They mostly say he's boring, which is something I heavily disagree with. Even if all you know of Superman is from the DCAU or movies, you can pretty blatantly see that Superman is a highly intelligent character.

https://imgur.com/wn6qI6K

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IIRC, in one of the the DCAU movies (possibly dark apokolips war) Lex admits he's the second smartest man alive, with the first being Batman.

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I mean, it's not like Superman is dumb though. He's just not typically considered as having a "genius-level intellect" like Batman.

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I think Batman could beat most of the Justice League, but Superman is someone who is nearly always holding back. An actual evil Superman could easily annihilate someone before they even knew they were planning to do it.

Obviously doesn't make for a fun or interesting story though if he just kills someone from outer space or wherever.

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Superman constantly beats opponents far smarter and stronger than himself such as Darkseid.

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Panthera posted...

It doesn't matter how smart you are when, if he wanted to, the other guy could run up to you from across the room, punch you a few thousand times harder than you can hope to survive, then run back to where he started, then repeat that process a hundred times before you can even react

God he sounds like such an interesting character. At least Saitama is in on the joke.

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it's hilarious how much the comics rig shit in batman's favor. he always wins on some dumb plan that requires a huge number of variables to go exactly as planned. superman would kick the shit out of him in any realistic scenario.

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Veggeta X posted...

I mean if being smarter than Supes is all it takes then how come Supers have beaten people like Lex Luther, Brainiac and Zod? Are we going to argue that Batman is smarter than all three of those major villains?

There's different types of intelligence..batman seems to be creative with battle strategy. While brainiac is more of a rote memory type of guy and Lex is a tech genius. Zod, well zod always seems like the guy who's not use to his power so his battle strategy doesn't apply to his new found power.

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Batman with time to plan can beat anything or anyone

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Ivynn posted...

Batman with time to plan can beat anything or anyone

Shikamaru with time to plan > Batman with time to plan

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RetsuZaiZen posted...

God he sounds like such an interesting character. At least Saitama is in on the joke.

There is no joke. Superman is superhuman. By a huge degree. Hence why the people he has actual fights with are not human beings with no powers. Superman's enemies aren't really any different than the average superhero in terms of how capable they are of putting up a fight against him besides that his top rival can't, but the whole thing there is that Superman wants to take Lex Luthor down in a way that doesn't end up with headlines reading "Billionaire brutally persecuted by evil alien pretending to be hero!"

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Smashingpmkns posted...

It's weird how people think Superman is dumb solely because he's strong.

Yeah, I never got that either. People really underestimate his intelligence.

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if superman wanted to, he could fly to the stratosphere and heat vision batman to dust.

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Superman has superhuman intelligence, but Batman saps it whenever they're close by.

The_Korey posted...

IIRC, in one of the the DCAU movies (possibly dark apokolips war) Lex admits he's the second smartest man alive, with the first being Batman.

Wouldn't this only make sense if he knew who Batman was? Saying just Bruce Wayne or Batman wouldn't really make sense.

Batman has no real chance 99.9% of circumstances but comic book writers can always find a way. Of course he can get an advantage if he has kryptonite but if we're using that scenario most notable people in the DC universe have a similar chance.

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Ivynn posted...

Batman with time to plan can beat anything or anyone

even Jackie Chan not wanting any trouble?

That's like saying I could beat a truck because I'm smarter than the truck.

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rodu_jr posted...

even Jackie Chan not wanting any trouble?

what about john cena in an i quit match?

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Darmik posted...

Wouldn't this only make sense if he knew who Batman was? Saying just Bruce Wayne or Batman wouldn't really make sense.

Why would he need to know who Batman was for this to be true? He knows Batman is human.

lolife67 posted...

Why would he need to know who Batman was for this to be true? He knows Batman is human.

How would he know Batman was smarter than him. He would be basing that on his abilities to fight crime and be on the Justice League and basically nothing else. He wouldn't even know if Batman makes his own wonderful toys (which he doesn't).

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Darmik posted...

How would he know Batman was smarter than him. He would be basing that on his abilities to fight crime and be on the Justice League and basically nothing else.

Well he that would be enough considering the amount of research he's done on them, in conjunction with his super intellect.

UnfairRepresent posted...

No lies detected?

Batman almost killed the entire Justice League by himself.

I can't remember why but I remember he did. He had plans to stop every hero incase they turned evil or got brainwashed. Then he tuned evil or got brainwashed and unleashed all his plans at once and single-handedly brought the entire league to it's knees.

Then Supes was like "Well you almost killed us all but here's some Kryptonite for some reason because you're so Kaiwai. Use that on me baby"

lmao. have you even read that issue? one of the dumbest, most poorly written comics I've ever read

Batman's "plans" all depended on plot-contrivance and plot-induced stupidity.

@UnfairRepresent

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Someone explain why kryptonite hurts Superman when on planet Krypton, everything is made out of it.

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lolife67 posted...

Well he that would be enough considering the amount of research he's done on them, in conjunction with his super intellect.

I dunno one of the smartest people on the planet thinking "Wow this guy dressed as a Bat is the only person on this entire planet that is smarter than me" just seems like it's written by a Batman fanboy lol. Lex really shouldn't be that humble anyway.

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GhettoFlip posted...

lmao. have you even read that issue? one of the dumbest, most poorly written comics I've ever read

Batman's "plans" all depended on plot-contrivance and plot-induced stupidity.

@UnfairRepresent

I dunno

Orlando_Jordan posted...

Someone explain why kryptonite hurts Superman when on planet Krypton, everything is made out of it.

It's radioactive.

It disrupts the absortion of solar energy and replaces it with said radiation. To a Kryptonian it painfully removes their powers, then kills them.

And humans aren't immune. Lex Luthor literally got cancer due to carrying a chunk around 24/7 for years.

Would sort of be like if Earth exploded and you got to another planet. Then someone poured nuclear waste all over you.

Going "Well It came from Earth and I came from Earth so... I should be fine." doesn't add up. Something about the planet exploding or the core or whatever made the entire debris remaining be soaked in this radiation. It existed before but wasn't a problem for day to day life of the Kyrptonians.

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Orlando_Jordan posted...

Someone explain why kryptonite hurts Superman when on planet Krypton, everything is made out of it.

Its pretty hard to explain because krypton and the origin of its destruction changes all the damn time. Sometimes its core is compromised, their sun is dying, or some outside force even destroyed it.

I'm more curious how so much of it ended up on earth though. Enough for bad guys to amass stockpiles of it even. That crap should be incredibly rare, and well outside the reach of individuals not batman, let, or rash sal ghul

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i remember reading batman removed a k bullet from superman to save his life at some point .....

knowing batman did stuff like planting a virus on cyborg when he met him
im surprised there isnt a version of batman who took the chance and planted a very small robot or a just a small bomb with kryptonite inside superman while removing the bullet just in case he needed to stop superman in the future

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Batman has never beaten Superman in canon.

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Prismsblade posted...

Its pretty hard to explain because krypton and the origin of its destruction changes all the damn time. Sometimes its core is compromised, their sun is dying, or some outside force even destroyed it.

I'm more curious how so much of it ended up on earth though. Enough for bad guys to amass stockpiles of it even. That crap should be incredibly rare, and well outside the reach of individuals not batman, let, or rash sal ghul

I think it's supposed to be rare but comic book writers gonna comic book write. May as well be mined from Earth at this rate.

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Veggeta X posted...

Why can't anyone else have time to plan? Why is this exclusive to Batman?

Because Batman fanboys go gaga over that ridiculous idea/cliche. Bad writing that fanatics lap up.