Board 8 > The Snyder Cut is getting positive reviews

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ZenOfThunder posted...

it's a lot better than the whedon cut

*continued on page 5*

it still sucked ass

EDIT: here is my letterboxd review I don't feel like typing more. i drank a lot during this movie and i thank alcohol for making it possible to finish this in one shot.



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ZenOfThunder posted...

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Finished up Part 5.

Gotta say if you buy into the Snyder-ness it's pretty decent. Watching it in parts like a short miniseries instead of a long movie is probably helping quite a bit.

Supes vs J League was pretty cool. Liked Batman kind of losing Batvoice when trying to get through to Clark.


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Whoever decided to add that woman singing for every WW scene needs to get his ears cleaned if he thought that didnt sound aggravating.

(Listening to the official OST, it doesnt appear to be composer's fault)
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yeah the woman singing is maybe 15 seconds of the full song, the editor just thought it would be a good idea to drop it in any time wonder woman took a fucking breath

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"Really, really beautiful that Jared Leto is such a genius mind that he said a meme, and we didn't even include it in the movie."

what

https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1373092184031920130?s=19

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Feels to me like he edited out at the last second to avoid backlash?
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htaeD posted...

Feels to me like he edited out at the last second to avoid backlash?

backlash from who?

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I feel like Zack Snyder didn't realize it was a meme at the time and then saw people clowning on it and went "They will NOT mock the Integrity of My Creative Vision" and then removed it.

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Lmao yeah it really sounds like Snyder was not aware of the meme and Leto was trolling.

That is actually incredible

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Do people always call it, really, really beautiful, when they get trolled at their job by a dank meme?

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Watched the first half yesterday and the second half today.

I wasn't super impressed with the first half. I liked how they went into a lot more backstory for each of the newer characters but it kinda felt all over the place. The second half was a lot better though, really enjoyed that.

I kinda wish this was a couple regular length movies instead of just one giant one. It felt like all of MCU phase 2 squished into one movie.

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The DCEU was always trying to play catch-up. The fact they tried to do a team up movie when half the team is introduced in the same movie was eight kinds of stupid.

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They weren't introduced in JL.

Batman vs Superman introduced them first via a TOTALLY FUCKING STUPID SUBPLOT

God I fucking hate that movie so much, fucking clueless idiots

how do you screw up Batman vs Superman, HOW THE FUCK
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XIII_rocks posted...

They weren't introduced in JL.

Batman vs Superman introduced them first via a TOTALLY FUCKING STUPID SUBPLOT

God I fucking hate that movie so much, fucking clueless idiots

how do you screw up Batman vs Superman, HOW THE FUCK

That hardly counts as "introduced" since you still know nothing about them. Hell, I don't even think it gives most of them names.

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Finished it last night.

It was enjoyable. The big thing for me is it didn't feel like 4 hours. Better than the theatrical release by a significant margin, and probably one of Snyder's better movies.

But yes, the Wonder Woman chanting thing was way overused to the point it was just very grating to hear, and some CGI was awful. I appreciate that they used Cyborg and Flash much better here.

I wouldn't mind a part two from Snyder if it was more of this.

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StealThisSheen posted...

That hardly counts as "introduced" since you still know nothing about them. Hell, I don't even think it gives most of them names.

Oh I know I just wanted an excuse to bitch about BvS
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BvS traumatizingly awful :(


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I watched it in one sitting

It was alright, but I dont think it fixed what I felt wasnt good about the original film. And in some ways it kinda took away from the film

Like the death of Superman should be a pretty damn big deal and yet Amy Adams and the whole side plot felt like an afterthought in this, also the epilogue just felt like a way to try to get people to be on board for a part 2

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StealThisSheen posted...

That hardly counts as "introduced" since you still know nothing about them. Hell, I don't even think it gives most of them names.

i was gonna make the same post you just did here but then i clicked his spoiler text and realized there would be no point because he agrees with me

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Oh, I get it.

I'm just saying it's bad in the case of BOTH movies, not just one or the other!

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FFDragon posted...

The DCEU was always trying to play catch-up. The fact they tried to do a team up movie when half the team is introduced in the same movie was eight kinds of stupid.

It's made even worse with the additions of green lanterns in the flashbacks and Martian Manhunter at the end too. Like, I'm a huge fan of DC and I know the characters, but it still felt like a lot of things were dropped on me at once.

I agree that BvS was a mess though.

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ok I just started watching and I already have a major beef

This first Wonder Woman scene... why did she just fucking explode a floor of that bank? Just punch the guy! What did that accomplish?

Also this isnt a beef necessarily, but its interesting to me that the terrorist guy is seemingly just some rando. If this was an MCU movie he probably would be some minor villain from the comics.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

This first Wonder Woman scene... why did she just fucking explode a floor of that bank? Just punch the guy! What did that accomplish?

Reminder that in WW84, She has to straight up be convinced to do the right thing and not just let the world be fucked to keep her boyfriend.

DCEU Wonder Woman is... something.

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I wonder if the first scene with Steppenwolf showing up to grab the box is super confusing to normal people who didnt see the original cut

all these ladies pointing swords at a cube and then a spike monster magically appearing who is desperate to grab the cube and he has bug friends and then its just chaos

feels like he could have cut the weird blonde girl singing to the ocean to fit in a scene where someone explains why we care about the cube
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he could have gotten rid of those shots of Aquaman getting swallowed by the waves for 5 minutes

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So, finally both watched it and have the time to write something about it.

Its good!

Definitely Snyders best film, top three DCEU for me, Shazam is still the top though.

It could certainly be better. I would be really interested to see what a three to three and hslf hour theatrical cut of this by Zack Snyder would be. There were a lot of long establishing shots and repeat scenes in this that I think you can edit out without losing anything or changing the overall film. I am looking forward to the fan edits that keep the vision in tact but reduce the length. Honestly it didnt feel like four hours, the pacing wasnt terrible, but it does seem like it could have been a bit shorter with minimal cuts.

The main flaw was undoubtedly the CG. Im sympathetic to this due to the way in which this film was made, but the visual effects were largely bad.

Regarding the rating, this is one of the least R rated R rated films Ive ever seen. They just didnt decide which one of the three F-bombs to keep is all. So I wouldnt worry about that. Cut it to one and this is barely different in content from your typical PG-13 superhero movie.

I have to say, story and character wise this really works. It does a really good job of introducing the three new members without feeling like its slowing the film down. They didnt need solo films before this at all. And to that point there is a lot of confusion about the nature of the DCEU. Snyder was never in charge, nobody really was. DC Films didnt even exist as an organisation until after BvS. The initial idea was to have a core series by Snyder with spinoffs in which the directors had creative control, then they tried unifying it under Geoff Johns for a bit, and now its just separate films that happen to take place in the same universe. There is no MCU-style grand plan and thats likely for the best.

I do hope we get the follow up to this however.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

I wonder if the first scene with Steppenwolf showing up to grab the box is super confusing to normal people who didnt see the original cut

all these ladies pointing swords at a cube and then a spike monster magically appearing who is desperate to grab the cube and he has bug friends and then its just chaos

feels like he could have cut the weird blonde girl singing to the ocean to fit in a scene where someone explains why we care about the cube

Superman shouting make cube go brrrr
What more could one possibly need?

(the Joss whedon cut having parademons randomly explode into cube shaped splatters was pretty dumb too)
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LiquidOshawott posted...

It was alright, but I dont think it fixed what I felt wasnt good about the original film. And in some ways it kinda took away from the film

This is where I'm at as well. Apart from the jarring tone stuff, all of the dumbest parts of the original cut are still here (Superman invalidating the rest of the league in the final battle, Steppenwolf just being a big boring fight monster, everything about Superman's revival except for the initial skirmish, the humans just straight up burying their Motherbox in a hole...)
I'm still not sold on Snyder's overall vision by a long shot (almost none of the ways that the original made BvS even worse in retrospect were addressed either) but I am at least intrigued enough after the epilogue to want to see where it's going.

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Cybat posted...

(almost none of the ways that the original made BvS even worse in retrospect were addressed either)

what are you referring to here?

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my biggest thing about whedon vs snyder is that both cuts contain and inordinate amount of ezra miller. what a terribly written, unlikable character in both versions. I have never seen a good ezra miller performance and I never will

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ZenOfThunder posted...

my biggest thing about whedon vs snyder is that both cuts contain and inordinate amount of ezra miller. what a terribly written, unlikable character in both versions. I have never seen a good ezra miller performance and I never will

yeah, this will always remain a flaw with justice league. flash is terrible. he will always be terrible. doesn't matter if you make the movie 2 hours, 4 hours or 20 hours.

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i've always hated the dudebro "MY MAN" aquaman too, btw. don't know if snyder somehow makes him better in his version.

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he is def dudebro in this

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Wake me when they get to Brave and the Bold "OUTRAGEOUS!" Aquaman.

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redrocket posted...

what are you referring to here?

-BvS portrayed Superman as highly divisive - that was, like, the whole point - but after he dies everyone (including Bruce) is unanimously sad about it even though nothing bad has happened yet without him
-The Knightmare doesn't matter at all (I know Bruce actually mentions it in this version but only very late and pretty understatedly; how was his first reaction to seeing a Parademon not "holy shit how the fuck did I have a dream about these things")
-Luthor was the one who found all the superheroes in the first place and assembled the files that Bruce and Diana found, and also he was the one who first found out about the Apokolips threat, yet he does nothing in this movie at all
-JL establishes that Batman has a reasonably amicable relationship with Commissioner Gordon; how does that jibe with his actions in BvS?
-Everyone already knew that Superman wasn't going to stay dead so they didn't need to do anything with that, but they specifically had the dirt jiggle on his grave at the end of BvS implying it was going to be a self-revival. But, nope.

There's probably more nitpicky stuff but that's enough for now.

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It's here:

https://youtu.be/vNp3Q0AfXRg

Is it too surface level to mention that I still absolutely hate how kill-happy Batman was in BvS

The moment he started gunning people down with machine guns was the moment the movie totally lost me, even if the rest of it had been good (and it wasn't). Better stories have tried to make Batman a killer for shock and drama and they didn't stick the landing either, because without a moral code inspired by trauma and neuroses, Batman is just a worse Punisher

Is he still like this in Justice League 2: Snyder Boogaloo

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I enjoyed it. For reference though my favorite movie is Speed Racer so if something looks pretty I'm down.

Curiosity is getting the better of me and putting the theatrical release on. Off to a dumb start with the parademon exploding into the pattern of the boxes for some reason?

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GameStonk posted...

It's here:

https://youtu.be/vNp3Q0AfXRg

Good to know what anagram is going to reference for the next few years

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KamikazePotato posted...

Is it too surface level to mention that I still absolutely hate how kill-happy Batman was in BvS

No, not at all.


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GameStonk posted...

It's here:

https://youtu.be/vNp3Q0AfXRg

I watched this and I feel like I don't need to watch the 4 hour version now.

However, also worth noting, is that there's more weird stuff they didn't catch. In the Josstice League and Snyder Cut, they have scenes that are identical, but for some reason it feels like the Josstice League had worse takes in it for some reason? Like even the "KAL-EL NO!" scene is a different take of Gal Godot shouting a bad line.

Just completely baffling.

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KamikazePotato posted...

Is it too surface level to mention that I still absolutely hate how kill-happy Batman was in BvS

The moment he started gunning people down with machine guns was the moment the movie totally lost me, even if the rest of it had been good (and it wasn't). Better stories have tried to make Batman a killer for shock and drama and they didn't stick the landing either, because without a moral code inspired by trauma and neuroses, Batman is just a worse Punisher

Is he still like this in Justice League 2: Snyder Boogaloo

Yes and no? Hes machine gunning hardcore, but its all just Parademons, so it feels less out of character? Theyre like weird bug monsters and also an invading army so I dont mind them getting blasted.
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I appreciate that the little subplot with the family in Russia is just not in Snyders version at all. That was 100% pure Whedon.
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Watched this last night and enjoyed it a lot more than the theatrical version. Definitely Snyder's best DCEU entry and probably the best in the series overall, though it's far from perfect. The story is still super weak, and it still suffers from having only given 2/6 of its heroes standalone movies before it was released (technically three now since Aquaman came out).

Seeing all these easter eggs and teases for future movies I kept thinking - man, it would be so cool if we had a good universe that could tell these stories properly. They jumped the gun in an attempt to keep up with Marvel, and it ended up being their downfall. At least Snyder can go out on a high note.

Most Improved goes to Cyborg. It felt like a brand new character from the other version. Would have loved to learn more about him, but it sounds like Ray Fisher is done with the role.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

I appreciate that the little subplot with the family in Russia is just not in Snyders version at all. That was 100% pure Whedon.

Seriously, probably the best part about the Snyder Cut. It was a terrible subplot that was completely out of place in the final battle and that they REALLY didn't have time for in 2 hours

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I think it's important to note that while Joss Whedon is a piece of shit, he was also given this 4 hour monstrosity and then told "Make it shorter and then make it lighter and then make them actually look like they enjoy helping people" after the reception of Batman v. Superman that was happening while this movie was in production.

This seems like a movie that, no matter who you put in charge with that studio exec criteria, would make for a disaster. But I will say that with some characterization, he completely missed the mark like with Flash.

"What is brunch?" is probably the worst, most cringey thing that was added to the Josstice League.

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Haven't watched this yet and doubt I will. 4 hours is a tall order.

But to chime in the DCEU ranking debates, this is my ranking from what I've seen:

Shazam > Aquaman > WW >>>>>> BoP > MoS >>>>>>>>> JL (original) > SS > BvS

BvS is that bad.

KamikazePotato posted...

Is it too surface level to mention that I still absolutely hate how kill-happy Batman was in BvS

I kind of forgot about that since it was in the same scene where Amy Adams gave us her amazing "I'm not a woman, I'm a journalist!" line.

right now I'd say

great: Aquaman
good: JL:SC,WW
ok: Shazam, BoP
bad: SS, JL, WW84, BvS

still haven't seen Man of Steel

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