Current Events > Do people actually truly believe 1/6 was the darkest day in US History

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Idk, most of the tragedies mentioned were done by a single person, with the exception of 9-11 which was a group.

but here were talking about a president, multiple congress members, and about 3k+ people. Like, good thing they didnt actually get a body count going or anything but the ramifications will likely last a lot longer.

the other big factor is that almost everything mentioned ITT brought the nation together more, whereas this split the nation. So, ya, Im gonna go with 1/6 being a pretty fucking dark day for the nation.

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Worst since 9/11, but it had (and still has, considering the people behind it aren't behind bars) the potential to be much worse. The fact that our own president instigated a terrorist attack on his own nation to try and retain power can't be understated.
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9/11 was horrible. The thing is that everyone agreed it was horrible, it was done by a foreign enemy, and also Americans came together and, this is the important part, made the bastards who did it pay.

Meanwhile we have 40%ish of the country either downplaying 1/6 or seeing nothing wrong with it. 40% of the country perfectly fine with a domestic terrorist attack intended to overthrow a legitimate election result. 40% fine if elected officials were murdered for not helping Trump steal an election.


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Eevee-Trainer posted...

OP is the type of person who would probably say people suffering from depression or other ailments don't have it so bad because other people are suffering in the slums of India or whatever.

"It wasn't the darkest day in US history, it isn't that bad."

It doesn't have to be the absolute worst thing ever to be pretty fucked up and something we should consider rectifying.

To be fair TC never really implied what you're accusing him of implying.

He basically said, "I overheard people say this about 1/6. Is that really true?"

He never said it wasn't still incredibly fucked up.

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Zeeak4444 posted...

Idk, most of the tragedies mentioned were done by a single person, with the exception of 9-11 which was a group.

but here were talking about a president, multiple congress members, and about 3k+ people. Like, good thing they didnt actually get a body count going or anything but the ramifications will likely last a lot longer.

the other big factor is that almost everything mentioned ITT brought the nation together more, whereas this split the nation. So, ya, Im gonna go with 1/6 being a pretty fucking dark day for the nation.

It's one thing to be attacked by an outside source. It's another to be attacked by an internal source. When that internal source is people attemtping a coup because the elected sitting president isn't interested in a peaceful transition of power it's an entirely worse thing.

Short of the civil war there has been nothing more damaging to the country than the 1/6 coup. Primarily due to the fact that close to half the country refuses to even acknowledge openly that it was a coup attempt. The other half of the country refuses to take the steps necessary ro punish the people in power who helped work to make it happen, which in the long term just ensures that it will happen again, this time with more competent people at the head.

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Define "darkest day"

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And bad faiths like to bring up death count as if that's the sole factor. More people died in 9/11? Oh absolutely. One person dying from that would be a tragedy deserving of retribution.

Had the coup been successful though? That would be the end of this country.

No election would matter anymore, if the person you vote in gets executed for being against Trump. These people wanted to kill their own family members for "voting wrong", you think they give a shit about anyone else? Freedoms would be taken away from minorities, which they already did, and already are trying to do with their voters suppression.

You wouldn't get a say, if you are the 'them'.

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Why don't the insurrectionists just move if they hate America so much?

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Even Nixon had the decency to resign rather than plan, organize and direct an insurrection. NIXON.

We can debate whether W or Trump was worse, but Nixon - again, fucking NIXON - did not pan, organize and direct an insurrection. Trump is worse than Nixon in that regard.

Foreigners may plan, wish and sometimes carry out attacks on our soil.

ONLY ONE PRESIDENT DID.

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We don't know if it was planned by Trump or anyone in Congress. We would only know that if there was an investigation You would think Biden and the Democrats would move to enact that regardless of what the Senate says.

If it was a planned event, it would suddenly become really really serious. At that point it would be at the same level as 9/11, even with a lot fewer people dying.

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AirFresh posted...

Hm I'd say that in modern history (2010s-) I'd go as far as to say Sandy Hook was a darker day due to its intense tragedy.

Sandy Hook was definitely a darker day, and the fact that we've still had no actual gun control after a madman slaughtered children makes the implications of our doomed society even worse.

Damn_Underscore posted...

We don't know if it was planned by Trump or anyone in Congress. We would only know that if there was an investigation You would think Biden and the Democrats would move to enact that regardless of what the Senate says.

If it was a planned event, it would suddenly become really really serious. At that point it would be at the same level as 9/11, even with a lot fewer people dying.

In this post: January 6th, "Kill Mike Pence", and Trump not putting proper security were all coincidences.

Damn_Underscore posted...

We don't know if it was planned by Trump or anyone in Congress. We would only know that if there was an investigation You would think Biden and the Democrats would move to enact that regardless of what the Senate says.

If it was a planned event, it would suddenly become really really serious. At that point it would be at the same level as 9/11, even with a lot fewer people dying.

We know Lin Wood who was on Trump's legal team took part in the planning. It's unclear if Trump himself thought of the plan or how early he found out about it but he encouraged it on January 6. He definitely knew there was a march on capitol hill planned because he spoke about it in his speech.

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imagine thinking it almost ended our democracy (lol) or is even comparable to 9/11. i cringe every time i hear somebody call it 1/6

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AlphaCuck posted...

imagine thinking it almost ended our democracy (lol)

That's the thing, it wasn't even close to being successful, and was done by a group of rednecks who probably couldn't spell "cat" if you spotted them the C and the A.

As mentioned:
Darkest day? Far, far from it.
Most embarrassing day? Probably.
That's really it.
/end topic


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AlphaCuck posted...

imagine thinking it almost ended our democracy (lol) or is even comparable to 9/11. i cringe every time i hear somebody call it 1/6

Yeah, democracy had already been dead for around eleven years.

The United States is a constitutional republic and not a democracy at all.

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AlphaCuck posted...

imagine thinking it almost ended our democracy (lol) or is even comparable to 9/11. i cringe every time i hear somebody call it 1/6

This is how it works. You lose an election, you don't protest it, investigate it for 8 months, refer to yourself as President, and encourage a cult of millions fo not recognize the sitting government. You accept it and complain about government like a normal fucking person.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

We don't know if it was planned by Trump or anyone in Congress. We would only know that if there was an investigation You would think Biden and the Democrats would move to enact that regardless of what the Senate says.

If it was a planned event, it would suddenly become really really serious. At that point it would be at the same level as 9/11, even with a lot fewer people dying.

We literally have video evidence of Trump riling up a crowd and telling them to go to the capitol. What the hell would an angry crowd do at the capitol other than riot? Hell Trump didnt even go with them and held back the national guard for HOURS. Not sure why that orange asshole isn't in jail right now.

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fun fact. they weren't even allowed outside of the capitol. it was still closed for pandemic.

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1/6 was like seeing a bunch of Walkers roll through an encampment and the strategy was to hide

It was more embarrassing than anything

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LightHawKnight posted...

We literally have video evidence of Trump riling up a crowd and telling them to go to the capitol. What the hell would an angry crowd do at the capitol other than riot? Hell Trump didnt even go with them and held back the national guard for HOURS. Not sure why that orange asshole isn't in jail right now.

Let's let not Giuliani off the hook with his "trial by combat" speech. Also the Alabama senator in hiding for his provocations - Congressman Swallwell has actually hired a private investigator to serve him with a subpoena to testify before Congress.

Not exactly normal behavior.

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no lol

most people honestly dont care one way or another.

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LightHawKnight posted...

We literally have video evidence of Trump riling up a crowd and telling them to go to the capitol. What the hell would an angry crowd do at the capitol other than riot? Hell Trump didnt even go with them and held back the national guard for HOURS. Not sure why that orange asshole isn't in jail right now.

There's a difference between saying go to the capitol (which in a normal situation would have meant a peaceful protest) and planning an invasion of the capitol behind the scenes. The latter would be much more serious and deserving of jail time and probably treason charges for anyone involved.

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An invasion doesn't have to be well planned for it to count as an invasion.

People who wanted to blow up buildings full of innocent people have accidentally blown themselves (and only themselves) up. Doesn't suddenly mean they weren't terrorists.

And the "He didn't mean for them to get violent!" argument doesn't fly when Trump saw how chaotic things were getting.... and refused to let anyone help. Imagine if your house was on fire and I intentionally blocked the road so the firemen couldn't get through.

But I didn't say "I want your house to burn down" so I did nothing wrong?

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Damn_Underscore posted...

There's a difference between saying go to the capitol (which in a normal situation would have meant a peaceful protest) and planning an invasion of the capitol behind the scenes. The latter would be much more serious and deserving of jail time and probably treason charges for anyone involved.

There is not when he literally RILED them up. He said nothing about peace. He got them angry and he didnt even show up. If you think those people would show up and peacefully protest, I have some land to sell you. You didnt even talk about him delaying the nation guard for hours.

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Incidentally, people trying to downplay this as just a silly incident and everyone involved was stupid with no plan?

You only serve to allow something like this happen again. You only serve to assist the "There's no need to worry about this"(while we plan better next time).

The most generous interpretation is helpful fools, and I'm not feeling generous.

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Wat?
People think 1/6 was the darkest day in America's history?!

https://i.imgur.com/gRgA0eF.jpg

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Stop looking at the Politics board

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Phantom36 posted...

Even in terms of domestic terrorism it's probably not even top 10.

Remember things like the Oklahoma City bombing where women and children were killed.

Don't bring logic into this discussion

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garan posted...

This. It was a failure that was bound to fail, and as a liberal, I'm glad it happened because it made the Far Right look even more like a bunch of complete loonies.

It wasnt a failure though. Its still active. The GOP is sympathizing with them. Their party is headed in the direction of the nuts who tried to overthrow the capital. Key members of congress who were either in on it or helped with it (MTG to name one) are still sitting members of Congress. The man who incited them all and caused this mess is still free and is hinting at running for President again in 3 years...and theyll let him. Its not over by any means. That wasnt the explosion. That was just the fuse being lit.

im not saying its the darkest day, but we shouldnt downplay that day. Its a significant moment in American history that is still currently being written.

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420TwiZtiD420 posted...

Don't bring logic into this discussion

That's not logic. The darkest day isn't just about death count.

No deaths were involved in what caused the U.S.'s darkest day.

garan posted...

This. It was a failure that was bound to fail, and as a liberal, I'm glad it happened because it made the Far Right look even more like a bunch of complete loonies.

And it emboldened them because there's no consequences for the actions of the higher ups and there's no shortage of cultist pawns they can throw at it the next time they feel like it.

I'm sure TC is trying his best to downplay the insurrection for purely benevolent reasons.

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If we're going by death count alone, one side would have taken Covid a lot more seriously. After all, that "hoax" killed far more people than 9/11 did.

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It was nowhere near the darkest day in US history. However, it's not something that should just be ignored or overlooked. Things could have easily gone much differently with worse results.

The worst part is no one did anything to stop it, and everyone involved is being supported over it. There's nothing stopping them to try it again. And if/when that happens it could end up going really bad.

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I still don't know why people are trying to downplay 9/11. It's not just the fact that the country was attacked or that so many people died, or the things that happened in the aftermath of it. Seeing the Twin Towers get hit and then collapse is something no one will ever forget. NYC's skyline was forever changed because of 9/11.

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This is 6 months old.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/12/fact-check-list-deadliest-days-american-history-partly-false/3864369001/

1. Galveston Hurricane 8,000 deaths

A Category 4 storm swept through the Caribbean and Florida in 1900, making landfall on Sept. 8 in Galveston, Texas, according to a U.S. Census Bureau report. The deadly combination of the hurricane's surge and winds up to 145 mph killed an estimated 8,000 people about 20% of the city's population.

2. Battle of Antietam 3,650 deaths

In the bloodiest one-day battle of the Civil War, the Union army lost approximately 2,100 soldiers and the Confederate army lost about 1,550, totaling about 3,650 deaths, according to the National Park Service. An estimated 19,070 more soldiers combined were wounded, missing or captured. The NPS noted that the "catastrophic nature" of the Battle of Antietam makes it "virtually impossible" to compile the exact number of casualties; its data is from the Official Records of the War of the Rebellion and the Antietam Battlefield Board.

3. San Francisco earthquake 3,000 deaths

On the morning of April 18, 1906, an earthquake that lasted less than a minute devastated San Francisco, according to the National Archives. An estimated 3,000 people were killed and nearly half the city's population was left homeless.

4. Sept. 11, 2001,terrorist attacks 2,977 deaths

A series of terrorist attacks orchestrated by al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden killed a total of 2,977 people on Sept. 11, 2001. When the World Trade Center collapsed after hijacked planes crashed into the twin towers, 2,753 people were killed, according to the New York City Office of Chief Medical Examiner. Following the initial attack, 343 New York City firefighters, 23 New York City police officers and 37 Port Authority officers perished, CNN reported. At the Pentagon in Washington, 183 people were killed after another hijacked plane flew into that building. And 40 passengers and crew members aboard another hijacked plane died after it crashed into a field in Pennsylvania, the theory being that those individuals attempted to retake control of the flight so that it would not reach its intended target.

First off, no one is downplaying 9/11.

Second, I'm not sure why you're emphasizing the buildings falling down when the country being attacked, people dying, and the aftermath all being far more devastating. Being attacked out of nowhere was far more memorable than the building itself falling.

A building can be rebuilt, lives cannot.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

I still don't know why people are trying to downplay 9/11. It's not just the fact that the country was attacked or that so many people died, or the things that happened in the aftermath of it. Seeing the Twin Towers get hit and then collapse is something no one will ever forget. NYC's skyline was forever changed because of 9/11.

It's like this.

9/11 is like being stabbed in the face. It's a critical emergency. You rush to the hospital. You'll have a horrible scar that never really heals. And you walk away with PTSD on some level that always makes you jumpy every time a knife is close to your face.

1/6 is like a cancer. You feel fine and don't even know when you get it but it will kill you. Doctors found the tumor and cut it out but there's always a chance that it may have spread and you'll never know when it's gonna come back and be even worse than it was before.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

It's like this.

9/11 is like being stabbed in the face. It's a critical emergency. You rush to the hospital. You'll have a horrible scar that never really heals. And you walk away with PTSD on some level that always makes you jumpy every time a knife is close to your face.

1/6 is like a cancer. You feel fine and don't even know when you get it but it will kill you. Doctors found the tumor and cut it out but there's always a chance that it may have spread and you'll never know when it's gonna come back and be even worse than it was before.

More like the doctors found the tumor, but half of you refuse to remove it and or part of it and it is still there.

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9/11 and 1/6 is an apples to oranges comparison

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Umbreon posted...

First off, no one is downplaying 9/11.

Second, I'm not sure why you're emphasizing the buildings falling down when the country being attacked, people dying, and the aftermath all being far more devastating. Being attacked out of nowhere was far more memorable than the building itself falling.

A building can be rebuilt, lives cannot.

I mentioned all of these things. The Twin Towers are the symbols of 9/11, that's really the explanation for that.

There have been several posts ITT saying something along the lines of "yeah, 9/11 was bad BUT...". That is downplaying 9/11.

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It was barely anything. A few violent rioters and a bunch of dumbasses wandering into an area they weren't supposed to be in

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Idk i think drawing parallels to things like 9/11 or the civil war is sort of preposterous, borderline offensive to anyone who has any grasp of what those those things were at all. I mean 1/6 was a horrific marker of the current state of domestic politics, and perhaps the culmination of 4 years of reckless and irresponsible language from the commander in chief, and perhaps a stark lesson about the importance of Presidential conduct, how rhetoric can influence events downstream, etc... but come on. It lasted like an hour, order was restored, congress certified the election, and the people who pulled that shit are being hunted and arrested. And i cant help but bring attention to how the majority of the rhetoric surrounding this is nothing more than Trumps many, many, many, many, many detractors using it as a bludgeon against him, perhaps rightfully so. I just cant help but wonder - why arent these same voices applying the water-tight logic of 94% peaceful to this event? After all, last summers 20+ dead and multiple billions in private property damage was just a speed bump on the march to sociopolitical justice, right? Or does that logic only apply when its our side engaging in the objectively righteous mob violence?

Hell no

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Idk, you could argue that the US was the strongest it's ever been during and right after 9/11 in the ways in which 1/6 revealed it to be weak.

The US was united and had strength in the belief in the government.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

1/6 is like a cancer. You feel fine and don't even know when you get it but it will kill you. Doctors found the tumor and cut it out but there's always a chance that it may have spread and you'll never know when it's gonna come back and be even worse than it was before.

you they made them leave right

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https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/01/08/954848161/u-s-records-more-than-4-000-dead-in-1-day-from-covid-19-a-grim-new-record

Johns Hopkins University's Coronavirus Resource Center reported 4,085 coronavirus-related deaths on Jan. 7