Current Events > Should people be allowed to say things that others find offensive?

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Why/why not?

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yes. because reasons

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Offensive is subjective. Youd effectively be banning all speech.
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Nah, I come to gamefaqs so I can get people in trouble for saying things they shouldnt be allowed to say ;)

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Whatever you're about to say, that isn't how free speech works
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Like.. in their house? Or as president? Context really matters here

Obviously. People against it are genuinely mentally ill and should seek help.

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No, thats a crime punishable by death

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Yes because FREE SPEECH.
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sure, but they should be prepared to face the consequences.

freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences, which is something many people struggle to understand.

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Ive explained this before in another one of these right-wing anti SJW topics but offensiveness had never been the issue that marginalized people have had. No one cares if something is offensive or not, aside from the occasional uptight conservative.

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Be more specific in what you're trying to say
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Freedom of Speech is the first amendment because it's the most important.

If you're smart, you know when and where not to do offensive jokes. The internet is one the "nots". You deserve negative reactions online if you're dumb enough to think you're gonna get the benefit of the doubt. If I joked her like I do with family members, Id be reasonably be thrown in with a group I don't like

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garan posted...

Freedom of Speech is the first amendment because it's the most important.

I'd consider eliminating slavery to be more important but this shows what you think of that I guess

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emblem boy posted...

Be more specific in what you're trying to say

it's a gotcha he doesn't want to be

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Also yeah, clarify a bit, joenumbers

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Yes as long as it follows the rules of the website
for in real life it should probably be done among friends and family YOURE comfortable with lll

Lost_All_Senses posted...

If you're smart, you know when and where not to do offensive jokes. The internet is one the "nots". You deserve negative reactions online if you're dumb enough to think you're gonna get the benefit of the doubt. If I joked her like I do with family members, Id be reasonably be thrown in with a group I don't like

Do you think that state of things is fair and preferable? If so, why?


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I mean, if theyre sensitive about something, I think we need to respect that.

joe40001 posted...

Do you think that state of things is fair and preferable? If so, why?

I think the bullshit is part when people dig up old tweets to stop someone from getting a job/chance in the present. That's just people being douchebag parasites. But I think if you are dumb enough to still be edgy these days for no reason knowing it fucks up people's money is on you.

Let's use DaBaby as an example. I think he deserved to lose his shows because of his dumbass move, but I don't think he should be thrown away and not given a chance to grow. Just keep an eye on him if you actually care. But you won't, bevause you don't actually care about him as a person. You don't care that his dad died 2 years ago and his brother killed himself late last year. You don't care that that might be stewing in a person to make them do some dumb shit and not think straight 24/7. All you see is that a guy said something that can be perceived as hateful and you don't like it. You just see a person you want to take away from over it because you're mildly irritated. He's not a living breathing person with faults and tragedy that dealed eith struggle throughout his entire life to you. You want the sensation of seeing someone do something negative, so you can say "Fuck that guy" and watch him fall. And you personally don't have to forgive him. But to think you should have control over others perception on someone they know on a deeper level is insane.

Anyway, obviously "you" is a placeholder and I don't actually mean you. You don't have to be forgiving. And I don't have to support slander against the gay community just because I am more forgiving. I can forgive and simultaneously hold him accountable for the dumb shit he does without completely throwing him away. More so, I can use the dumb shit he did to segue into conversations with people about why it was wrong.

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

sure, but they should be prepared to face the consequences.

freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences, which is something many people struggle to understand.

What differentiates between a valid and invalid "consequence"? One could argue imprisonment, doxxing, exile, theft, or assault are "consequences", but would you consider any of them valid consequences?

Alternatively, can you define "consequence" in this context?

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Ye

I say very offensive things. But I'll never tell CE what they are

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what's the context?

there's a range of offense from minor to severe, so it's important to know more about what you're talking about.

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Everyone has a different subjective viewpoint on what is offensive. At some point you are going to say something somebody somewhere will find offensive.

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g0ldie posted...

what's the context?

there's a range of offense from minor to severe, so it's important to know more about what you're talking about.

Most likely tc said something hurtful or insulting to someone he knows in real life and is doubling down for validation.

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LightningAce11 posted...

Most likely tc said something hurtful or insulting to someone he knows in real life and is doubling down for validation.

No. I am asking as a fundamental broad question. This does not relate to anything specific.


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Everything is offensive to someone. Therefore nobody should be allowed to talk.

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I don't think "offensive" is a useful realistic measurement for anything.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RlTbJZ64sVM&t=218s

Fuck off.

It depends on a lot of different things
Ill just give one example-
Where I work, someone called out management for lying to us in order to get something passed that management wanted.
Managements response was-
Were offended that you brought up
Response-
Were all offended that you lied to us!
Management-
We feel that youre trying to make us look bad!
Response-
We didnt make you look bad. You made yourself look bad by lying to us. All were doing is pointing out what you did.

Some people get offended over things that theyve done and someone else brings up.
To that I say suck it up.
If you dont want to look bad, dont act stupid.

Really depends on the context and how you say it as well.

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joe40001 posted...

No. I am asking as a fundamental broad question. This does not relate to anything specific.

But it's impossible to answer broadly!

joe40001 posted...

No. I am asking as a fundamental broad question. This does not relate to anything specific.

Like people said, really depends on the context.
It's easy to tell people to not be offended, but that's not how it works and some things are of course legitimate to be offended about.

Who you are talking to, your relationship with them, the setting and what it's actually about.e Being a bully and being racist/bigot is not tolerated. Being an asshole for no reason also shouldn't be tolerated. Threatening someone's safety won't be tolerated. If you are at a comedy club and make fun of everyone and yourself, that's okay, because the general audience knows it's an act.

But If you want to speak the truth to someone, like how you are feeling because they make you feel upset, how and where you say things matter still. There are a lot of sensitive matter that not everyone needs to know as well. Like if you say offensive shit at work, then you can get disciplined or fired at work..

Being honest, even when delivering the truth hurts, is a valuable skill to have. But you can't be blunt in every facet, especially if it humiliates others and creates a toxic environment. Especially at work. Sometimes you don't even say things intentionally as a joke like what you perceive as a harmless racist or sexist joke, but your coworkers aren't your best buddies and that will get you in trouble.

I was too soft at my previous job. I never reported my manager for the unprofessional shit she said to me as well as the gaslighting. And I had to pay for it in the end.

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Its kind of impossible to never offend anyone.

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Ruvan22 posted...

joe40001 posted...

No. I am asking as a fundamental broad question. This does not relate to anything specific.

But it's impossible to answer broadly!

Seriously. Like, on a broad level I'm sure most people agree that no one should face legal, financial, and social consequences for things they say, with exceptions. Where people disagree at is what those exceptions are. So trying to ask and answer this broadly just doesn't make sense.

So again, ask what you mean so people can communicate clearly
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Ruvan22 posted...

But it's impossible to answer broadly!

You can give your general answer/rules and I'm not going to go "but what about x case your general answer fails hahaha!"

Your general response to this is assumed to be approximate, and not necessarily applicable to every case.

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emblem boy posted...

Seriously. Like, on a broad level I'm sure most people agree that no one should face legal, financial, and social consequences for things they say, with exceptions. Where people disagree at is what those exceptions are and if those exceptions should stay the same or if they should be expanded.
So trying to ask and answer this broadly just doesn't make sense.

So again, ask what you mean so people can communicate clearly.

To add to my post, mainly because I'm going to guess what it is you're trying to get towards, I'm gonna link this article
https://medium.com/arc-digital/free-speech-defenders-dont-understand-the-critique-against-them-4ed8327c0879

Free speech defenders cast their argument as upholding first principles, but its not. A substantial majority of Americans agree that:
The government should not use state power to punish people for expressing their opinions, especially opinions about the government.
In general, influential private actors employers, media outlets, universities, crowds, etc. should not use their power to punish people for expression, whether or not they agree with the substance.
Some expressions are beyond the pale, and private actors should use their power to reduce the space in which those expressions are socially acceptable.
While both sides of this debate cast it in sweeping, sometimes civilizational terms, the entire thing takes place within point three: Which expressions should be beyond the pale, and how should private actors punish transgressions?

These kinds of answers are the broad answers I'm asking about. So this is perfect, but also begs the question what is beyond the pale for you? And what is that what you perceive to be fairly beyond the pale for others?

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I don't know. I just know my main idea is, I don't really like people losing jobs for being assholes unless they are in a position of power. Position of power would be law enforcement, politician, management level positions, etc. Where, depending on what they did, it puts into question past and future discriminatory decisions.

With the way jobs are tied into retirement, healthcare, and just basic livelihood here in the US, I do take that kind of loss seriously. So I support strong job protection (legally or culturally) even if that means at some level, assholes end up keeping their job.

But that also means I take less seriously the loss of an income based job of someone who's a multimillionaire for example.

Personally I'm fairly open to many things because many times it just doesn't bother me, depending on who is saying something. And I like to think I'm pretty forgiving as well if I don't believe the insult came from a bad place. Life is hard, people fuck up, just gotta give them another chance.

But I'm not everyone else and I'm not going to act as if my perspective is correct regarding what's extreme or not. So, just depends on the
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my headphones just said 'battery low' and i literally cannot

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emblem boy posted...

I don't know. I just know my main idea is, I don't really like people losing jobs for being assholes unless they are in a position of power. Position of power would be law enforcement, politician, management level positions, etc. Where, depending on what they did, it puts into question past and future discriminatory decisions.

With the way jobs are tied into retirement, healthcare, and just basic livelihood here in the US, I do take that kind of loss seriously. So I support strong job protection (legally or culturally) even if that means at some level, assholes end up keeping their job.

But that also means I take less seriously the loss of an income based job of someone who's a multimillionaire for example.

Personally I'm fairly open to many things because many times it just doesn't bother me, depending on who is saying something. And I like to think I'm pretty forgiving as well if I don't believe the insult came from a bad place. Life is hard, people fuck up, just gotta give them another chance.

But I'm not everyone else and I'm not going to act as if my perspective is correct regarding what's extreme or not. So, just depends on the issue.

I really like this take.

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