Current Events > What kind of a sentence do you think Kyle Rittenhouse should receive?

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Trying to sentence somebody before conviction . . .

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He should be forced to live in the ocean

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Le_Corbeau posted...

Trying to sentence somebody before conviction . . .

I don't know what you're trying to argue here. The topic pretty blatantly assumes the premise that Rittenhouse will be found guilty.

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How is the trial going?

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Was Kyle trespassing too?

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ZMythos posted...

Exactly.

So why would someone who crossed state lines to illegally acquire a gun, threaten people with it, and proceed to shoot them when they retaliate not get charged with murder?

And actively open carrying a rifle past curfew during a high-tension protest is unarguably threatening. You are effectively communicating "I am here when I shouldn't be with a gun I shouldn't have because I am planning to use it at some point."

Why post your opinion if you can't even get the events of the night correct and have to make up fake scenarios?

Made much worse with you being a teacher.

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InfinityMonster posted...

Why post your opinion if you can't even get the events of the night correct and have to make up fake scenarios?

Made much worse with you being a teacher.

Tell me which events didn't happen.

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ZMythos posted...

Tell me which events didn't happen.

Where did he threaten to shoot people, who retaliated and he shot them?

How would anybody know he was carrying an illegal gun? Why would people breaking curfew be mad at someone else breaking curfew?

Why would people be afraid of a gun in an open carry state where people walk into Walmart with their gun?

Why would Rosenbaum be afraid of any of this when hours before he was ready to fight a whole group of armed people and his friend had his own gun out?

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So you're not actually saying the events didn't happen. You're just handwaving and excusing them.

Also you're drastically overestimating how many people open carry. I live in one of the most conservative counties in Wisconsin and I've never seen anybody open carry.

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ZMythos posted...

So you're not actually saying the events didn't happen. You're just handwaving and excusing them.

No, I clearly asked you a question, which you didn't answer because it never happened.

And followed that with explaining the gaps in your logic.

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There's no gaps in what I said. Having a gun in a high intensity situation makes you a threat. Plain and simple. An open carry law doesn't change that. And it doesn't matter if anybody there knew it was illegal or knew he was from out of state. The actions of the people he shot don't matter if they were unrelated to the actual shooting.

You're handwaving the key details of the actual incident.

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I'm not handwaving shit. You're making up scenarios and laws. Guns are as much for offense as defense and he was putting out a fire while he was attacked by Rosenbaum, because Rosenbaum mistook him for one of the others with a gun. Rosenbaum then cornered him and tried to take his gun while two gunshots went off in the background

He didn't go up to them and threaten them, and they retaliated and were killed in defense. That's straight up BS you made up and now you're trying to say I'm handwaving things.

I'm not the one being dishonest here. Anybody that's seen the videos and read the full account of what happened that night can clearly see it was self-defense, and no amount of fake laws and shit is gonna change that.


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He traveled across state lines with an illegal gun and intentionally provoked an attack on himself so he could murder people and cry self defense.

So the harshest punishment and since Republicans seem to like capital punishment so muchI say off with his head.

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Norman_Smiley posted...

Not guilty on all charges except possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18, guilty of that, $10k fine, 9 months (max sentence), minus time served.

You would be fooling yourself to think he'd get any punishment. I'm assuming it'll be a "boys will be boys. Let's not ruin his future over a regrettable incident" sort of thing.

the judge is also clearly on rittenhouse's side with his weird fucking antics and citing biblical text.

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10 year minimum

the mother deserves a harsher sentence imo

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Yazarogi posted...

the judge is also clearly on rittenhouse's side with his weird fucking antics and citing biblical text.

"Weird Antics"?

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Yazarogi posted...

the judge is also clearly on rittenhouse's side with his weird fucking antics and citing biblical text.

What biblical texts did the judge quote? Haven't followed closely..

Ruvan22 posted...

What biblical texts did the judge quote? Haven't followed closely..

He related the trial of Paul when referring to how long hearsay laws have been honored in Western law systems.

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The States witness did not answer questions the way the prosecution thought he would.

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Kyle Rittenhouse is an idiot child. If convicted expect another easier reason to (ironically) imprison minorities

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One with proper grammar and proper punctuation

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Probation for the weapons charge, nothing for the self defense.

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lifes not fair

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A jail sentence. He intentionally gravitated towards a protest he had no rhyme or reason to even be there, with a rifle. Sure, vids show self defence, I can acknowledge that, but its the matter of having such a huge, domineering rifle that's the issue. It made him look like a threat that needed to be taken down.

Obviously trying to take *that* someone done with a huge ass rifle with nothing more than a pair of fists is incredibly stupid. Still. Kyle didn't need the rifle, because he didn't need to be there in the first place. I mean ffs, 17? Aren't you supposed to be at home, gaming? Not spending your free recreational time being a murderer.

Cause that's what he is. A murderer. Two people dead because of his fingers pressing the trigger. You can't justify or intentionally dispute that. He fired several rounds of bullets that got two people killed. And for that, though as it may be self defense, the two currently decomposing corpses of his own doing beg the argument that he does deserve a prison sentence.

Can't believe we're trying to justify serial shootings. First Alec Baldwin, now this kid.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Probation for the weapons charge, nothing for the self defense.

Self defense

Lmao

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totalnerdken posted...

If your first thought when seeing a random person with a rifle is "this person needs to be taken down" you're an idiot.

Also, if he shouldn't of been there, then can't you say the same about everyone else? What gives them the right to be there that doesn't extend to him?

Wasn't the whole protest over a gas station? A fucking gas station? People will find the most insignificant things to complain about, so them being there is kinda on them for being absolute brainlets. You can't stop Americans from acting American.

You do have a valid point about the gun notion btw. I shouldn't have said taken down, but it definitely does make you look more threatening. I mean, the other dudes just had handguns right? This dude had a full blown scale rifle. Definitely makes you stand out a bit more.

gaminggamer13 posted...

Wasn't the whole protest over a gas station? A fucking gas station? People will find the most insignificant things to complain about, so them being there is kinda on them for being absolute brainlets. You can't stop Americans from acting American.

You do have a valid point about the gun notion btw. I shouldn't have said taken down, but it definitely does make you look more threatening. I mean, the other dudes just had handguns right? This dude had a full blown scale rifle. Definitely makes you stand out a bit more.

The, uh, protest was about a police shooting.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

The, uh, protest was about a police shooting.

Noble cause, fair enough. Protest about a shooting with shootings. Very smart.

He should get 25 to life minimum.

Pre-mediated may require a specific target in US law (Im not American or a lawyer) but that dude armed himself hoping hed get an excuse to kill someone.

That might not be relevant legally but iris obvious to any rational human being.

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IMO the video of the people he shot were clearly and unequivocally self defense, ignoring everything else.

We have to go off witness testimony for the first person he shot. It also matters if he was carrying a firearm illegally.

Obviously Kyle should never have been there. A 17 year old should not be carrying a firearm in the middle of a riot, even if he was defending local businesses and had good intentions. I think because of that he's found guilty of something and gets a good number of years in prison.

That said I simply cannot feel bad for violent rioters.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Probation for the weapons charge, nothing for the self defense.

damn, gobstoppers in support of charging gang members with just probation for unlicensed firearms.

thats bold.

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gaminggamer13 posted...

A jail sentence. He intentionally gravitated towards a protest he had no rhyme or reason to even be there, with a rifle. Sure, vids show self defence, I can acknowledge that, but its the matter of having such a huge, domineering rifle that's the issue. It made him look like a threat that needed to be taken down.

Obviously trying to take *that* someone done with a huge ass rifle with nothing more than a pair of fists is incredibly stupid. Still. Kyle didn't need the rifle, because he didn't need to be there in the first place. I mean ffs, 17? Aren't you supposed to be at home, gaming? Not spending your free recreational time being a murderer.

Cause that's what he is. A murderer. Two people dead because of his fingers pressing the trigger. You can't justify or intentionally dispute that. He fired several rounds of bullets that got two people killed. And for that, though as it may be self defense, the two currently decomposing corpses of his own doing beg the argument that he does deserve a prison sentence.

Can't believe we're trying to justify serial shootings. First Alec Baldwin, now this kid.

Uh...

This post seems really disconnected.

You absolutely can justify killing someone with a valid self defense claim.

Esrac posted...

Uh...

This post seems really disconnected.

You absolutely can justify killing someone with a valid self defense claim.

in this case, there is no legitimate claim of self-defense

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The kid wasn't being attacked moments after the shooting, it wasn't until he fled that he was being chased down as a citizen's arrest was attempted to be administered.

It's murder.

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CasualGuy posted...

Not much of one.

You'd had to be incredibly dishonest to watch the video of what happened and think he went out of his way to kill those dudes. He tried running away from them and they chased him down to kill him.

He will and should get off pretty lightly. Being in the city at all was the biggest mistake he made.

Explain to the class why he illegally obtained a gun and went to a protest/riot and provoked people. Explain how thats self defence

It's literally on video while he was on the phone with the police, that he was not being aggressed upon. Once again, after he fled the scene, was he being pursued by the people he later killed and crippled.

It's not self-defense at all in the later two victims. It could be argued for the first victim, perhaps.

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RamboCell29 posted...

IMO the video of the people he shot were clearly and unequivocally self defense, ignoring everything else.

We have to go off witness testimony for the first person he shot. It also matters if he was carrying a firearm illegally.

Obviously Kyle should never have been there. A 17 year old should not be carrying a firearm in the middle of a riot, even if he was defending local businesses and had good intentions. I think because of that he's found guilty of something and gets a good number of years in prison.

That said I simply cannot feel bad for violent rioters.

apparently you misunderstood the Rambo movies about as hard as anyone could ever misunderstand anything.

and those are some pretty simple ass movies.

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QueenCarly posted...

in this case, there is no legitimate claim of self-defense

I would disagree, but that's what the court case will determine.

what the fuck

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I fucking hate it here.

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No one held a gun to Kyle's head, forcing him to go there. He could have stayed home and played video games. It's not self defense when you willingly walk in to the line of fire.

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008Zulu posted...

No one held a gun to Kyle's head, forcing him to go there. He could have stayed home and played video games. It's not self defense when you willingly walk in to the line of fire.

Nobody forced those dipshits to chase and attempt to kill him just because he was there and not on their side

They could have just not been psychos

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Tbf, the people he shot were actively attempting to attack him.

I don't see him doing any time for this.

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WizardPowers posted...

Nobody forced those dipshits to chase and attempt to kill him just because he was there and not on their side

Then maybe he shouldn't have gone there.

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008Zulu posted...

Then maybe he shouldn't have gone there.

Him being where he shouldn't have isn't nearly as bad as them trying to murder him just for being on the opposite side of a protest/riot

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFai05bMeWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iryQSpxSlrg

Watching both videos chronologically as it happened... Rosenbaum guy was chasing after him for some reason, and was aiming for his gun, and then Rittenhouse turned back and shot him a couple times and killed him.

Rittenhouse could have stopped there. He likely could have won a case for self defense for that.

But he kept running and people chased after him (2nd video) because he shot Rosenbaum. He tripped and was shooting at people running at him. Killed the skate boarder dude who tried to hit him with a skateboard, and then shoots a guy in the arm (he had a pistol?)?


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