Current Events > DoorDash drivers not taking orders unless they get a good tip prior

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ModLogic posted...

so is any company forcing people to do the job?

Their job means its up to them to accept orders or not.

They are doing their job even if they don't deliver anything

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Their job means its up to them to accept orders or not.

They are doing their job even if they don't deliver anything

He has to be trolling.

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The real crime here is ordering McDonald's on a delivery app

How degenerate do you have to be to do that

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Northlane posted...

The real crime here is ordering McDonald's on a delivery app

How degenerate do you have to be to do that

A lot of people are apparently doing it, though... That said, I don't see it as too different from ordering from anywhere else...
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Cherry picking your orders (or rides in my case, I Uber/Lyft) is the *only* real way to make money off of the gig economy (knowing when/where to drive for max business, how to exploit bonus/incentive systems, etc.), besides being smart and using an old beater and not a late model car with low mileage like most other gig drivers I see. If DoorDash really cared they'd incentivize better.

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ModLogic posted...

so is any company forcing people to do the job?

its the worker looking to exploit weak minded customers and take advantage of the stupid tip system that is the core problem.

tipping should be abolished and tip workers should get paid what they are worth. min wage.

when the alternative to not having the job is starving and being homeless, yes, yes in fact the company is forcing people to do the job. They all are, en masse, and thats why the big corporations oppose anything that helps people survive without a job. With, apparently, stooges like you in their corner who blame everything on workers.

Youre right about one thing, that the tip system should be abolished. But minimum wage isnt what these workers are worth, its far less.

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Pocket_Hercules posted...

If DoorDash really cared they'd incentivize better.

They probably don't, though... Which I guess is fine. I mean, if it starts hurting DD, they'll just change their policy... Which might cause people to quit, but it's whatever...
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mybbqrules posted...

I have a full time job, hobbies, and a kid who is hitting his stride with after school activities. I'm not made of time either. If you can afford to double the cost of the meal for the convenience of not having to take a 15 minute trip to get it, more power to you.

I personally choose not to do that. If my post seemed like an attack, I didn't mean it that way.

its really not double. I get dash pass for free through my cc . Usually its only 1-4 dollars more.

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Uber and whatever other services are sketchy as fuck. McDonalds shouldnt cheap out and they should just hire actual delivery drivers

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Uber and whatever other services are sketchy as fuck. McDonalds shouldnt cheap out and they should just hire actual delivery drivers

Quite a few places could benefit from their own drivers
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Scintillant posted...

This is just fucked up.

Good job they don't know where you live and certainly couldn't come back and smear dogshit on your car.

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

Uber and whatever other services are sketchy as fuck. McDonalds shouldnt cheap out and they should just hire actual delivery drivers

There is no value in that. If McDonald's wanted to deliver, they would deliver.

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

Uber and whatever other services are sketchy as fuck. McDonalds shouldnt cheap out and they should just hire actual delivery drivers

Unfortunately McDonalds cant take advantage of lax regulations around a brand new way of doing business to underpay their workers and give them no benefits and make the customers pay the bulk of their wages while reaping all the profits, so its not worth it.

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As someone who did almost nothing but DoorDash exclusively in the past year

DoorDash likes to show you your cut+tip before you accept an order but the fine print says that if your customer isnt a POS, this is how much they SHOULD tip you for this order

A $18 Taco Bell order can suddenly end up being $6 in reality. Thats why so many drivers are being cautious over this.

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Maybe Doordash should factor in a standardized tip in their delivery charge.

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MrMallard posted...

Maybe Doordash should factor in a standardized tip in their delivery charge.

That could work. It would probably be better. That said, they would still probably decline many orders, which doesnt really help that much
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We wouldn't even be having this conversation if companies would just pay their workers

Also can we stop entertaining people that use the term "unskilled" when referring to workers and labor? That's a meaningless term at best and just shitty trolling and or classist dogwhistling at worst

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Gwynevere posted...

We wouldn't even be having this conversation if companies would just pay their workers

but its all the fault of assholes that dont tip!

ModLogic posted...

tipping is optional. no one is forcing unskilled workers into delivery. dont like roulette pay, go work min wage. dont blame customers, blame yourself for signing up for the stupid conditions.

No one doing DD is forced into anything. Drivers can accept or decline any order at will.

How many times does this need to be stated in this topic for you to comprehend this? Or have you even read through this entire topic?

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Fuck guilt-tipping culture. Organize strikes if you think you're not paid enough. Actions such as these might be a step in the right direction, though the demand should be aimed at the company paying the wages.

If that's too much of a hassle, don't work for that company.

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totalnerdken posted...

I prefer tipping in cash if I can since DD has been known to steal tips.

I do this as well. I tip generously, but even at restaurants I leave a cash tip when paying with a credit card.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

but its all the fault of assholes that dont tip!

The venn diagram of people who think service workers should be paid more, and people who think they should get tipped better is pretty much a circle, so I'm not sure what you're even trying to say here

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Part of the reason why delivery pizza will always remain as king.

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Doordash getting tips is a bit sketch for me because why am I tipping someone whose sole responsibility is to bring me an order? It'd be like tipping a UPS driver.

I totally understand tipping an employee of a restaurant who is bringing you food - it's going above and beyond their normal duties and I appreciate that. But I didn't order food from Doordash, they just sent a driver to go get something I ordered from a restaurant. It's a middleman service that only exists to move food around. Tipping is meant to be you directly paying the person who gave you good service separate from what the establishment gets for its product and I would say food delivery services are outside that scope.

In the absolute very least it's preemptive tipping. I'm tipping for a service I haven't even received so how do I know it was even worth tipping for? They could have spilled the drink all over the bottom of the bag when they left it but they still get a $3 tip for that? You can complain, sure, but I'd complain about bad service from a food delivery service anyway (because, again, that is their entire role in this process) regardless of whether or not I gave a tip so that seems immaterial.

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Aressar posted...

Fuck guilt-tipping culture. Organize strikes if you think you're not paid enough. Actions such as these might be a step in the right direction, though the demand should be aimed at the company paying the wages.

If that's too much of a hassle, don't work for that company.

If you dont want to tip then just dont tip. Tired of people not tipping then complaining people think youre a shitty person for it. If you dont want to then just be a man and dont tip.

Its on DoorDash but its also on customers. If you order $10 of food yes you should expect to pay $20 because $2 isnt worth the hassle to even provide the service. It is a luxury and customers need to realize that and stop bitching about it.

Customers are just as bad as companies. People dont do shit for free. Either pay the money or go get it yourself and stop looking for someone to blame. This isnt a necessary service.


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MrDrMan posted...

Its on DoorDash but its also on customers. If you order $10 of food yes you should expect to pay $20 because $2 isnt worth the hassle to even provide the service. It is a luxury and customers need to realize that and stop bitching about it.

Hell no. If they want double the value of the food then they better be getting it to my door in 30 seconds or less

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Its customers, the DoorDash share
holders, and restaurants fault. Its like; McDonalds do you want delivery drivers to come pick up orders? Give them an incentive like points towards a free lunch or something, no one works for free

I do leave a small tip if I'm asking for food delivery in adverse conditions (like pouring rain) because that does reflect dedication to providing service in a exceptional way.

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TsunamiFox posted...

Hell no. If they want double the value of the food then they better be getting it to my door in 30 seconds or less

Entitled customer moment

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Zonbei posted...

But minimum wage isnt what these workers are worth, its far less.

true. they know they arent worth much. thats why they never cry about actually working for random pay. if they actually tried to protest the actual problem they'd lose their little scam.

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Thanks, CE, once again you've infuriated me when I was just trying to have a nice day in a good mood. I started honking at random people while driving and almost flipped a few drivers off for no reason.

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Solid Sonic posted...

Thanks, CE, once again you've infuriated me when I was just trying to have a nice day in a good mood. I started honking at random people while driving and almost flipped a few drivers off for no reason.

I know the feel. This topic shows that Murrica has been successfully conditioned to believe tipping by default is a virtue, yet expect people with 'tippable' jobs to be paid proper wages. It's a vicious cycle that they (the customers) themselves willingly knowingly help perpetuate, so why should employers bother paying proper wages if the customer gladly does it for them?

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ModLogic posted...

true. they know they arent worth much. thats why they never cry about actually working for random pay. if they actually tried to protest the actual problem they'd lose their little scam.

To think that its the drivers running a scam here says a ton regarding your understanding of the situation and how the platform works.

Go back and reread through the whole topic and try to address the specific points about how the system works with these services and try again.

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Drivers can accept or decline all orders at will. There is no obligation to accept anything, and no quota that you have to stay above to remain on the platform. You could decline 100 orders in a row and still be able to drive for DD.

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Aressar posted...

This topic shows that Murrica has been successfully conditioned to believe tipping by default is a virtue, yet expect people with 'tippable' jobs to be paid proper wages.

Have you ever considered that these two things might have a causal link between them

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lol food delivery service

get off your ass and get it yourself. or get meals on wheels or something.

TsunamiFox posted...

Hell no. If they want double the value of the food then they better be getting it to my door in 30 seconds or less

If you dont want to pay double then get it yourself. What do people not understand? You dont get to set the price for a service someone else provides. There isnt a business in the world that doesnt that.

Either pay it or quit crying and get it yourself.

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CE_gonna_CE posted...

drivers running a scam

the whole gig industry is a scam exploiting the stupid tipping culture. thats why the "fault" is always on the customer not tipping and never the core problem, not being paid a set wage. because these unskilled workers think they are worth more than min wage.


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kewldude475 posted...

Why wouldn't they deliver the order that's already made? Aren't they gonna get dropped by DoorDash if they do that?

No. DoorDash sends orders to drivers. Drivers can then see how much they will make and accept or decline the order. When nobody accepts the order it isnt delivered. Thats whats happening here.

DoorDash has no mandatory acceptance rate. When I was driving my acceptance rate wasnt even 20% meaning I only accepted two out of ten orders. Thats how it works. Thats why I keep explaining to people youre not buying anything and dashers arent obligated to deliver. If you dont tip and nobody delivers youre shit out of luck. DoorDash cant punish the driver for that.

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Solid Sonic posted...

Thanks, CE, once again you've infuriated me when I was just trying to have a nice day in a good mood. I started honking at random people while driving and almost flipped a few drivers off for no reason.

Lol love it, butthurt boy

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ModLogic posted...

the whole gig industry is a scam exploiting the stupid tipping culture. thats why the "fault" is always on the customer not tipping and never the core problem, not being paid a set wage. because these unskilled workers think they are worth more than min wage.

Regardless of the skill level/education/whatever the fuck certifications needed to perform a job, no one's time is worth as little as the current minimum wage. It doesn't fucking matter what job you're working, I would never give an hour of my life away for $7.25. I'm sorry you value your time so little.

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ModLogic posted...

the whole gig industry is a scam exploiting the stupid tipping culture. thats why the "fault" is always on the customer not tipping and never the core problem, not being paid a set wage. because these unskilled workers think they are worth more than min wage.

If you are so skilled and make so much money why are you complaining about price so much? You sound like one broke mother fucker.

Amazing to me how people who supposedly make all this money always cry the most about a few extra dollars.


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am i complaining about price? im pretty sure im ok with paying higher prices for food if it means they get rid of the tipping culture bullshit so unskilled entitled workers cant exploit it.

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ModLogic posted...

am i complaining about price? im pretty sure im ok with paying higher prices for food if it means they get rid of the tipping culture bullshit so unskilled entitled workers cant exploit it.

Entitled customer vibes

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or maybe people are sick of dealing with karen and ken entitled who all have different expectations of how much they think they are worth in tips.

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Solid Sonic posted...

Thanks, CE, once again you've infuriated me when I was just trying to have a nice day in a good mood. I started honking at random people while driving and almost flipped a few drivers off for no reason.

Holy shit get a grip

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ModLogic posted...

am i complaining about price? im pretty sure im ok with paying higher prices for food if it means they get rid of the tipping culture bullshit so unskilled entitled workers cant exploit it.

Base pay can be as low as $2/delivery. Its not a question of unskilled workers exploiting the system, its that many orders that flash up without the tip (as it was mentioned earlier in the topic, it would be great if the services rebranded this as a bid and not a tip since thats really what it is) arent even worth the time and gas that it takes to deliver.

The companies running these services are to blame, no doubt. But until the day comes where they dont have to answer to shareholders and they can shift the burden of cost onto customers, this is always going to be the way it is.

If they raised base pay, you bet that their fees would increase since theyre certainly not going to absorb the impact without the revenue to offset such a change.

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MrDrMan posted...

If you dont want to pay double then get it yourself. What do people not understand? You dont get to set the price for a service someone else provides. There isnt a business in the world that doesnt that.

Either pay it or quit crying and get it yourself.

Uh, I absolutely do get to choose how much I tip. Hell, the only reason I tip at all on DD is cause otherwise no one would pick it up. They can take the three bucks the delivery is worth or leave it.

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