Poll of the Day > This is the FIRST US Soldier who was FIRED for REFUSING COVID-19 Vaccine!!!

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The first US Military member has been FIRED as 39 y/o Commander Lucian Kins, a Navy Warship commander who REFUSED to get the COVID-19 vaccine AND submit to testing to prove he did not have the virus was kicked to the curb!!

The executive officer of the USS Winston Churchill was terminated at his position and is the first naval officer to be fired over vaccine refusal.

He requested a religious exemption to the military's vaccine requirement but was denied and is now appealing the decision

The Pentagon has made the vaccne mandatory for all service members and Navy personnel had until late November to get their shots or request exemptions.

Thousands have asked for religious exemptions but so far none has been approved

It remains unclear if Kins will be reinstated if his appeal is approved

He was relieved of his duties as second in command of the USS Winston Churchill, a destroyer, by Navy Capt. Ken Anderson

Spokesman Jason Fischer declined to give a reason on the termination because of privacy but stated that Anderson lost confidence in Kins ability to perform his duties and failed to obey a lawful order

Lt. Comander, Han Yi, the ship's plans and tactics officer is temporarily serving as executive officer until a replacement is filled

Kins was on track to become the warship's commander within the next year and a half and was stationed in Florida

over 5700 sailors are still unvaccinated and the Navy has signed off on 7 permanent medical exemptions, 326 temporary medical exemptions and 125 administrative exemptions

over 2700 want a religious exemption but none have been approved as the continued push for vaccination comes as Omicron variant is making its spread

Do you think he just destroyed his career?

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I mean, not a soldier? He's a sailor or marine?

Thats a sailor you dimwit.

there's extremely few religions that dont allow the use of vaccines, and these dyed in the wool ass generic white people are not those religions

The definition of soldier is a person engaged in military service. The fact that the US military uses different names for people in different branches doesn't change the fact that they are all by definition soldiers.

Zareth posted...

The definition of soldier is a person engaged in military service. The fact that the US military uses different names for people in different branches doesn't change the fact that they are all by definition soldiers.

Its not, that would be service member, but you do you homie.

ITT: the dictionary is wrong

He looks like a dweeb

Zareth posted...

ITT: the dictionary is wrong

yours is

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/7/7/AAd1RyAACsFt.jpg

and before you say something

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/7/8/AAd1RyAACsFu.jpg

army is land.

Sailor.

And he was stood down, not fired.

Either way, still going to be a court martial. He was given a direct lawful order, that he disobeyed. The best case scenario for him is if he pleads guilty and receives a dishonourable discharge, worst case, he fights it and ends up doing hard time in Leavenworth.

And he has a right to sue since it's completely unconstitutional and illegal to force it.

MagicalPrincess posted...

completely unconstitutional and illegal to force it.

lol

oh, wait, your serious. Hold on, let me laugh even harder:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Supreme court has ruled that vaccine mandates are legal and did so before you were born. And that's not even getting into the legalities of DoD mandated medical treatment.

Besides, he is not being punished for refusing to get the shot, but for refusing a direct order.

MagicalPrincess posted...

And he has a right to sue

Legally, no he does not. Active duty service members cannot sue the US Government. They have to go through a claims process.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feres_v._United_States

What a goober. Good Riddance.

(Na)^8+(Hey)^2+Goodbye

adjl posted...

(Na)^8+(Hey)^2+Goodbye

lol

Bulbasaur posted...

yours is

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soldier
Sorry but I trust the actual dictionary over Google.

Zareth posted...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soldier
Sorry but I trust the actual dictionary over Google.

what a stupid fucking thing to say

: one engaged in military service and especially in the army

get rekt. your own link proved you wrong and us right.

definitions are the same no matter which dictionary source is used.

which, by the way, Google uses Oxford, which is the defacto dictionary you fool.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/4/5/AAd1RyAACsRt.jpg

Bulbasaur posted...

one engaged in military service and especially in the army

Especially and exclusively are two different things

so, to reiterate

a soldier is a person engaged in military service in the army, which is land.

a sailor is a person engaged in military service in the navy, which is water.

Zareth posted...

Especially and exclusively are two different things

that's because transfers are a thing. you can go from being a soldier to a sailor. and vise versa.

but this man is a sailor, not a soldier, since he is exclusively the navy.

Words can have multiple definitions.
Just because the US military is horny for semantics doesn't change the fact that the word "soldier" is synonymous for someone in military service.

Don't military service members get ran through with like 100 different needles early on? Why is that one the line?

Zareth posted...

Words can have multiple definitions.
Just because the US military is horny for semantics doesn't change the fact that the word "soldier" is synonymous for someone in military service in an army.

you're right, a soldier is someone in the army.

glad we can come to this agreement.

and it's the same everywhere there's a military. they're very clearly defined definitions, show me a military where they call a land soldier a sailor.

Hey, guess what? Sailor has multiple definitions as well!
It can be ANYONE who works on a ship, commercial, recreational, or military!

Bulbasaur posted...

you're right, a soldier is someone in the army.

glad we can come to this agreement.

and it's the same everywhere there's a military. they're very clearly defined definitions, show me a military where they call a land soldier a sailor.

An army. All militaries operate an army. Soldier is also a verb, sailor is not. Navy servicemen soldier for the Navy.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Don't military service members get ran through with like 100 different needles early on? Why is that one the line?

It's all part of the people becoming more and more willing to believe conspiracy theories under Trump.

BlackScythe0 posted...

It's all part of the people becoming more and more willing to believe conspiracy theories under Trump.

Don't even, America has been the home of dumbass conspiracies for its entire existence, don't act like this is new.

It's still interesting to probe the minds of idiots though

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Don't even, America has been the home of dumbass conspiracies for its entire existence, don't act like this is new.

It's still interesting to probe the minds of idiots though

Conspiracies being mainstream? Yea that is new. People are in full on rejection of reality which has typically only been for a very small number of seriously mentally ill people not 30-40% of the nations population.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Conspiracies being mainstream? Yea that is new. People are in full on rejection of reality which has typically only been for a very small number of seriously mentally ill people not 30-40% of the nations population.

they are constantly gas lighting each other too. Every week its some new stupid thing theyve glomped onto

BlackScythe0 posted...

Conspiracies being mainstream? Yea that is new. People are in full on rejection of reality which has typically only been for a very small number of seriously mentally ill people not 30-40% of the nations population.

41% of Americans believe actual alien piloted UFOs are real.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

41% of Americans believe actual alien piloted UFOs are real.

That isn't really the same thing as thinking there are nanomachines in the vaccine that are going to take control over you. (I have actual coworkers who actually believe this)

BlackScythe0 posted...

That isn't really the same thing as thinking there are nanomachines in the vaccine that are going to take control over you. (I have actual coworkers who actually believe this)

Pretty much is, 11% of you belive in bigfoot too. You do conspiracy theories on mass.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Pretty much is, 11% of you belive in bigfoot too. You do conspiracy theories on mass.

I do? I mean in regards to aliens on a scale of "they haven't visited earth to they definitely have visited earth" I'm probably closer to the have visited earth but that doesn't involve me rejecting things in front of my face.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Don't even, America has been the home of dumbass conspiracies for its entire existence, don't act like this is new.

It's still interesting to probe the minds of idiots though

Andrew Wakefield, the ex-doctor that spearheaded the anti-vax movement is from the UK though. If it wasn't for this dumbass conman, the anti-vax movement would only be like 20 strong like it was before.

lihlih posted...

Andrew Wakefield, the ex-doctor that spearheaded the anti-vax movement is from the UK though. If it wasn't for this dumbass conman, the anti-vax movement would only be like 20 strong like it was before.

Nah, Americans like being dumb. Remember that you got your initial founding morons from our land, unfortunately we couldn't exile everyone.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Nah, Americans like being dumb. Remember that you got your initial founding morons from our land, unfortunately we couldn't exile everyone.

I like how you're leaving out the part where you guys fought a full-on war to try and keep the people that wanted to leave from leaving, which is completely the opposite of exiling them.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Pretty much is, 11% of you belive in bigfoot too. You do conspiracy theories on mass.

17% of Brits believe in the Loch Ness Monster.

http://www.brin.ac.uk/loch-ness-monster/

Zareth posted...

Just because the US military

You make a great point. Which nations navy was being discussed in the original post again?

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Pretty much is, 11% of you belive in bigfoot too. You do conspiracy theories on mass.

Its en masse, but keep that superiority complex going.

KodyKeir posted...

Either way, still going to be a court martial. He was given a direct lawful order, that he disobeyed. The best case scenario for him is if he pleads guilty and receives a dishonourable discharge, worst case, he fights it and ends up doing hard time in Leavenworth.

Actually, best case scenario is just getting an administrative discharge, which will most likely happen. No one is going to jail/prison/etc over this unless something else happens with this. It's been a hot topic on base for a while now...

adjl posted...

I like how you're leaving out the part where you guys fought a full-on war to try and keep the people that wanted to leave from leaving, which is completely the opposite of exiling them.

If your country taught your own history, you'd know we abandoned the US to fight the French as the US was a loss maker, it wasn't worth keeping.

HelIWithoutSin posted...

17% of Brits believe in the Loch Ness Monster.

Britain includes Scotland, and Scotland's children all have Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, their brains don't exactly work right.

Cacciato posted...

Its en masse, but keep that superiority complex going.

There is nothing superior about gratuitous french, but being an American, I'm not surprised you find something as basic as other languages elite.

Im not surprised you couldnt get a basic foreign phrase correct.

Cacciato posted...

Im not surprised you couldnt get a basic foreign phrase correct.

Unlike you, I speak French, however since I'm speaking on an English speaking site, English is most appropriate.

So you know French and still fucked it up? Well done.

I like how you latch on to a point you know has no weight lmao

Kyuubi4269 posted...

If your country taught your own history, you'd know we abandoned the US to fight the French as the US was a loss maker, it wasn't worth keeping.

And yet the Brits continued to fight the Americans. Funny how that worked. Similarly funny that fighting another war to keep Canada (where I'm actually from, you silly goose) was worthwhile, despite their considerable geographical similarity. It's almost like the issue wasn't actually that the US wasn't worth keeping, it was that it wasn't worth drawing out a losing war over.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Britain includes Scotland, and Scotland's children all have Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, their brains don't exactly work right.

Based on a quick google, Scotland's FASD incidence is around 3-5%, while the most robust study I could find for England found a 17% incidence. You should really check statistics before letting your slavering nationalism make you look silly like that.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

There is nothing superior about gratuitous french

There's nothing gratuitous about using french words for french phrases. "En masse" means "in bulk," which makes actual sense in this context. "On mass" means you're sitting on Catholics, which doesn't make sense much of anywhere.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Unlike you, I speak French, however since I'm speaking on an English speaking site, English is most appropriate.

If you wanted to speak English instead of French, you should have spoken English, not spoken French but written it using the closest available English homophones. That's never the most appropriate choice, and instead just means you're joining the ranks of "bone apple teeth" and "koo day tah."

Heck, even "in mass" would have been a valid sentence, but you chose to pretend you were speaking French with English words for some reason.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Don't military service members get ran through with like 100 different needles early on? Why is that one the line?

Well, many of the people I talked to on base who refuse to get it keep are saying that we don't have any long term effects of the vaccine. So, while it may be safe in the first couple of years, they fear what could happen 10+ years in the future... Or, that's what they're saying, at the very least...

Soldiers get discharged, not fired.

What's an administrative exemption?

If someone was discharged, I don't see how that makes them exempt to this practice.

Krow_Incarnate posted...

What's an administrative exemption?

It's for if you're getting out soon. Or because of work requirements and stuff like that. Basically, exemptions where they are fine, but don't fall under medical, religious, etc... Well, unless they want to count religious under them, as well...

Either way, I know a bunch of people that got an administrative exemption. Many were almost done with their enlistment, and just held out not getting it until they could apply for it...