Current Events > Body cam of police shooting that killed 14 year old.

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cjsdowg
12/27/21 11:12:49 PM
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I posted before about a case where police were shooting someone with a bike lock and they killed a 14 year old. This is the shooting. In this tweeter chain there might be more graphic content then the one I linked to. So please know that before you go there. There is one where you can hear the mother scream after he child is shot.
He is a hard situation. The guy with bike lock knocked someone up side the head with lock to the point where they were bleeding. But they shot the guy as he was running off not running to them.

https://twitter.com/shanermurph/status/1475634379149950976

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Number090684
12/28/21 12:51:14 AM
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Damn. What a tragedy. Cop was just doing his job, but he accidentally killed a teen because he was a bit overeager to put the criminal down. I get that the criminal was violent and threat but this cop probably should have mainly acted as a distraction because sure enough the criminal saw him and tried to flee and had another cop come out on the side to stop him and threaten to shoot if he moved. This cop killed a innocent person, ruined another family and technically his own life by being trigger happy.
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MarveI
12/28/21 12:53:06 AM
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I aint watching that.

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Number090684
12/28/21 12:55:18 AM
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MarveI posted...
I aint watching that.

The violence that is shown isn't particularly gory, all things considered.
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I4NRulez
12/28/21 12:55:34 AM
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Number090684 posted...
Cop was just doing his job, but he accidentally killed a teen because he was a bit overeager to put the criminal down.

so he wasnt doing his job then

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Number090684
12/28/21 1:04:12 AM
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I4NRulez posted...
so he wasnt doing his job then

He looked like he had a clear shot at the fleeing violent offender so I get why he took it, he just didn't consider if people were in the rooms in the distance behind him. Either way homeboy needs to bow out of being a cop, or be transfered elsewhere and focus on pushing paper.
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SiO4
12/28/21 1:06:24 AM
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Number090684 posted...


The violence that is shown isn't particularly gory, all things considered.


I've been modded for a short video of Alexandra Daddario showing off her nips in a shirt.
~Kinda fucked up when you think about it.

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KnightofShikari
12/28/21 1:15:29 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
But they shot the guy as he was running off not running to them.
so no one was in immediate danger of being killed, and the cops fired anyways. cop should be charged with manslaughter then. if the guy charged at the cop, then it would be fair, but if he's running away then use of deadly force doesn't seem to be warranted, especially in a store where there could be innocent people all around

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darkprince45
12/28/21 1:18:04 AM
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KnightofShikari posted...
so no one was in immediate danger of being killed, and the cops fired anyways. cop should be charged with manslaughter then. if the guy charged at the cop, then it would be fair, but if he's running away then use of deadly force doesn't seem to be warranted, especially in a store where there could be innocent people all around
so your last part actually explains why its even more important to take him down. You literally see a person down bleeding and hes running with a weapon in his hand, you CANT let him run around in a store where there could be innocent people all around.

I was told by ce he emptied a mag wildly as well. Not at all what happened


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Unknown5uspect
12/28/21 1:18:12 AM
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Pig needs a pen.

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greyfox747
12/28/21 1:19:53 AM
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darkprince45 posted...
so your last part actually explains why its even more important to take him down. You literally see a person down bleeding and hes running with a weapon in his hand, you CANT let him run around in a store where there could be innocent people all around.
Well, thank goodness that they stopped him before any innocent bystanders could be hurt.

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KnightofShikari
12/28/21 1:25:29 AM
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darkprince45 posted...
so your last part actually explains why its even more important to take him down. You literally see a person down bleeding and hes running with a weapon in his hand, you CANT let him run around in a store where there could be innocent people all around.

I was told by ce he emptied a mag wildly as well. Not at all what happened
no immediate threat though, so use of deadly force seems unwarranted. restraining tactics aren't a thing? pepper spray or less than lethal option unavailable? seems you want to skip the "immediate threat to life" and just go to "well maybe if he runs around he might find another victim so we can shoot him right this second" excuse

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darkprince45
12/28/21 1:28:00 AM
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KnightofShikari posted...
no immediate threat though, so use of deadly force seems unwarranted. restraining tactics aren't a thing? pepper spray or less than lethal option unavailable? seems you want to skip the "immediate threat to life" and just go to "well maybe if he runs around he might find another victim so we can shoot him right this second" excuse
Yes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleeing_felon_rule

he never stops being an immediate threat. you already seen one person down and bloodied, possibly dead, he is still in active threat mode. Just because he stopped doing it on one person, guess what hes on his way next? Finding the next person.

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STEROLIZER
12/28/21 1:31:10 AM
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Police Departments should not be an equal opportunity employer.

If you are too physically weak to disarm a crazy dude with a bike lock as a weapon, then you have no business being a police officer. If you are too mentally weak to be willing to risk your life to serve and protect the public then you also have no business being a police officer.

If it were me, I then would have holstered my gun after realizing he had no true deadly weapon. I then would have accepted that my job is to put my own life on the line to protect others which would lead me to physically fighting the man.

Since I would/should have high-level hand-to-hand combat training, I would have doubled legged him to the ground, and then slapped on a RNC. An easy takedown without any real threat/risk of injury or further escalation. If there were more than one officer, which there should be, then it would have been as stealing candy from a baby.

The problem with police forces is that departments hire like its any other job.

I literally saw two short fat women police officers with fake nails eating at a San Francisco Chipotle the other day they were partners.

The two of them together would be physically incapable of disarming a 12 year old boy with armed with a tree branch. This makes them physically weak because now they are fearing for their lives and will take out their guns to shoot because its literally all theyd be able to do in any physical confrontation.

The crazy thing is that due to the fake nails worn by both officers they might actually fumble their guns and misfire, thus endangering the public. Like holy fucking shit.

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darkprince45
12/28/21 1:33:09 AM
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STEROLIZER posted...
Police Departments should not be an equal opportunity employer.

If you are too physically weak to disarm a crazy dude with a bike lock as a weapon, then you have no business being a police officer. If you are too mentally weak to be willing to risk your life to serve and protect the public then you also have no business being a police officer.

If it were me, I then would have bolstered my gun after realizing he had no true deadly weapon. I then would have accepted that my job is to put my own life on the line to protect others which would lead me to physically fighting the man.

Since so would/should have high level hand to hand combat training, I would have doubled legged him to the ground, and then slapped on a RNC. An easy takedown without any real threat/risk of injury or further escalation. If there were more than one officer, which there should be, then it would have been as stealing candy from a baby.

The problem with police forces is that departments hire like its any other job.

I literally saw two short fat women police officers with fake nails eating at a San Francisco Chipotle the other day they were partners.

The two of them together would be physically incapable of disarming a 12 year old boy with armed with a tree branch. This makes them physically weak because now they are fearing for their lives and will take out their guns to shoot because its literally all theyd be able to do in any physical confrontation.

The crazy thing is that due to the fake nails worn by both officers they might actually fumble their guns and misfire, thus endangering the public. Like holy fucking shit.
this is like a lowkey offensive post towards women


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KnightofShikari
12/28/21 1:35:36 AM
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darkprince45 posted...
Yes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleeing_felon_rule

he never stops being an immediate threat. you already seen one person down and bloodied, possibly dead, he is still in active threat mode. Just because he stopped doing it on one person, guess what hes on his way next? Finding the next person.
it says significant threat of death and the guy had a bike lock. doesn't sound significant to me. considering that the bloodied person was only that injured after taking the beating in the time it took the police to arrive, was still moving, that means that it would take even more time to actually kill someone than their response time. again, doesn't sound like a significant threat of death to me

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HagenEx
12/28/21 1:36:52 AM
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KnightofShikari posted...
so no one was in immediate danger of being killed

Police didn't know that. The call explicitly said, the guy had a gun, and there were shots fired, BY THE GUY.

If I'm a cop, I'm not fucking waiting for him to pull it out on me, I'm firing.

Let me ask you something... What do we do about the woman that gave false information when making the 911 call? I feel she has a huge chunk of responsibility on the girl's death tbh.

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indica
12/28/21 1:39:40 AM
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HagenEx posted...


If I'm a cop, I'm not fucking waiting for him to pull it out on me, I'm firing.

So you'd kill an innocent kid because you're ignorant? I'm glad you're not a cop...

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indica
12/28/21 1:41:59 AM
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SiO4 posted...
I've been modded for a short video of Alexandra Daddario showing off her nips in a shirt.
~Kinda fucked up when you think about it.
Definitely...it's crazy how the U.S. culture promotes violence and demonizes nudity and sex

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STEROLIZER
12/28/21 1:45:27 AM
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darkprince45 posted...
this is like a lowkey offensive post towards women

It most certainly is not. But sure, let that be your takeaway.

This is why I quit the SFPD back in the day. Too many cowards just looking for an easy paycheck, and not enough folks wanting to actually serve and protect.

All female officers should be paired with a physically capable male partner. Their jobs are literally to physically serve and protect the community by physically (if necessary) removing threats.

However, in almost all cases involving a physical altercation with a male perpetrator they have literally no other option but to draw their guns. They literally can not do anything else.

I witnessed a tiny female cop actually draw her weapon on a crazy homeless man armed with a fucking tree branch, a fucking tree branch. I couldnt even blame her, as she had no other option to protect herself. So I walked over, took the tree branch away and told the guy to scram.

I literally descalated the situation in 30 seconds, whereas she was about to potentially kill somebody.

Its not exclusive to women. This includes fat cops. Old cops. Frail cops. Physically weak cops. Mentally weak cops. Cops without a moral compass. Cops just looking for a paycheck.

Pretty much any police officer who isnt taking his job seriously. Cops are basically superheroes. They should treat their jobs like they are fucking Batman.

You need to be both willing and able to put your life and body on the line to serve and protect the public.

We should totally defund the police. Because we dont need a bunch of cowardly city debt collectors running around. We just need good cops.

Eliminating funding would force departments to get rid of all the frivolous cops. With a limited amount of officers under their employ, they would only hire the best.

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darkprince45
12/28/21 1:45:54 AM
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indica posted...
So you'd kill an innocent kid because you're ignorant? I'm glad you're not a cop...
You realize this is not knowledge until after the fact. You realize police shootings are judged without 20/20 hindsight and the perspective of a reasonable officer at the scene of the crime. Its easy after the fact to armchair quarterback it

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SiO4
12/28/21 1:48:03 AM
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indica posted...

Definitely...it's crazy how the U.S. culture promotes violence and demonizes nudity and sex


Yuppp.. Overall.

Still, It does amaze me a little that you can show death on CE but the suggestion of sexuality is forbidden.

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LeoRavus
12/28/21 1:49:32 AM
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Where was the 14 year old in the video?

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STEROLIZER
12/28/21 1:50:01 AM
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HagenEx posted...
Police didn't know that. The call explicitly said, the guy had a gun, and there were shots fired, BY THE GUY.

If I'm a cop, I'm not fucking waiting for him to pull it out on me, I'm firing.


Which is the problem. You should wait. As a police officer you are expected to put your life on the line to serve & protect the public.

You never get to go in guns blazing guns are a last resort. The cop was scared, and new it would be a justified shooting regardless.

He didnt do his job. Hes a bad cop.

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Dark_Spiret
12/28/21 1:54:12 AM
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i could see if the guy was openly beating her that second he fired, but he was 7 yards away with his hands at his sides just standing there (and the cop was already over the victim covering her). the guy with the AR didnt even give the guy time to comprehend any commands nor did he let the less than lethal guys go first who were LITERALLY right behind him. maybe if he OPENLY had a gun it would be one thing, but he visually didnt. cop was way too eager to shoot once he saw the blood and the way he was fiddling with the gun afterwards made me think he didnt know what he was doing. hell with that weapon and optic at that range on a stationary target it should of been one and done with any competent training.

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mooreandrew58
12/28/21 1:55:59 AM
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Normally a fleeing criminal can't be legally shot in the back. Idk about elsewhere but I know in my state that that goes out the window if the cop witnessed comit a felony (wanna say specifically a violent felony but I'm not 100% sure) now that said it is stressed to be aware of your surroundings (at least in my training) before firing the shot as they'd rather them escape then hit a innocent bystander.

So I'm torn as I'm not that cop didn't see what he saw wasn't thinking what he was thinking. In the adrenaline and split second decision making was he just not registering there MAY be other people in his line of fire. Or was there someone clearly around and he fired anyways? Didn't watch the video btw

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pogo_rabid
12/28/21 2:02:43 AM
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just saw it on /r/gunfights

as far as shooting videos, it's tame

as far as the concept of what's going on it's fucked

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indica
12/28/21 2:11:53 AM
#31:


darkprince45 posted...
You realize this is not knowledge until after the fact. You realize police shootings are judged without 20/20 hindsight and the perspective of a reasonable officer at the scene of the crime. Its easy after the fact to armchair quarterback it
again, so glad you're not a cop--you sound like a person who shouldn't even own a gun

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darkprince45
12/28/21 2:12:32 AM
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Im not even the person youre responding to

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indica
12/28/21 2:15:48 AM
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darkprince45 posted...
Im not even the person youre responding to
Cool, what I said still applies...

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MICHALECOLE
12/28/21 2:16:11 AM
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Man attacks people in mall, fourteen year old girl and attacker killed in mall*

*the two people killed were both killed by cops
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HagenEx
12/28/21 2:16:39 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Man attacks people in mall, fourteen year old girl and attacker killed in mall*

*the two people killed were both killed by cops

Shut up maggle.

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MICHALECOLE
12/28/21 2:17:40 AM
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Man attacks people in mall, two people dead*

*both of those people were killed by the police, otherwise everybody escaped with minor injuries
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MICHALECOLE
12/28/21 2:18:25 AM
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STEROLIZER posted...
Which is the problem. You should wait. As a police officer you are expected to put your life on the line to serve & protect the public.

You never get to go in guns blazing guns are a last resort. The cop was scared, and new it would be a justified shooting regardless.

He didnt do his job. Hes a bad cop.
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Number090684
12/28/21 2:19:04 AM
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HagenEx posted...
Shut up maggle.

None of what was said isn't true, so it's fair.
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Unknown5uspect
12/28/21 2:20:13 AM
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indica posted...
Cool, what I said still applies...
The scary part is that guy actually is a cop.

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Eramir
12/28/21 2:20:52 AM
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This video exist and no charges for this officer yet? Literally no attempt deescalate the situation, just straight up walk in and bang bang bang two people dead
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DarthAragorn
12/28/21 2:21:38 AM
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oh look, pieces of shit defending killing a 14 year old girl again

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indica
12/28/21 2:21:45 AM
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Unknown5uspect posted...
The scary part is that guy actually is a cop.
That is very scary... O_o

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darkprince45
12/28/21 2:21:57 AM
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What i said is almost word for word, the supreme court decision and law on use of force, deadly force etc.. and i posted the fleeing felon rule as well. Idk this board just spouts bullshit so wahtevs

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omega cookie
12/28/21 2:22:06 AM
#44:


Unknown5uspect posted...
The scary part is that guy actually is a well known shitposter and troll who claims to be a cop.

Sorted that out for you.


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STEROLIZER
12/28/21 2:22:52 AM
#45:


Eramir posted...
This video exist and no charges for this officer yet? Literally no attempt deescalate the situation, just straight up walk in and bang bang bang two people dead

Its both pathetic and disturbing

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Unknown5uspect
12/28/21 2:23:53 AM
#46:


omega cookie posted...
Sorted that out for you.
Fair.

darkprince45 posted...
What i said is almost word for word, the supreme court decision and law on use of force, deadly force etc.. and i posted the fleeing felon rule as well. Idk this board just spouts bullshit so wahtevs
Just because it's correct doesn't mean it's right.

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STEROLIZER
12/28/21 2:24:21 AM
#47:


MICHALECOLE posted...
@STEROLIZER

my man. Youre a crazy SOB but youre my crazy SOB.

https://youtu.be/89vnu8Nppy8

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darkprince45
12/28/21 2:25:10 AM
#48:


Unknown5uspect posted...
Fair.

Just because it's correct doesn't mean it's right.
Thats your opinion, as mis guided and misinformed as it is. It is easy for internet users to judge situations now after the fact. There's a reason why the courts decide this and not reddit

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mooreandrew58
12/28/21 2:26:24 AM
#49:


Unknown5uspect posted...
Fair.

Just because it's correct doesn't mean it's right.

I kinda agree. I almost want to live to see a day where we have those Sci fi guns that have a toggle between stun and lethal and stun has to be the default setting no if ands or buts.

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DarthAragorn
12/28/21 2:27:02 AM
#50:


darkprince45 posted...
Thats your opinion, as mis guided and misinformed as it is. It is easy for internet users to judge situations now after the fact. There's a reason why the courts decide this and not reddit
also pretty easy for internet users to not be murderous pieces of shit

apparently not so much for a large number of cops though!

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Unknown5uspect
12/28/21 2:29:38 AM
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darkprince45 posted...
Thats your opinion, as mis guided and misinformed as it is. It is easy for internet users to judge situations now after the fact. There's a reason why the courts decide this and not reddit
You're the one justifying the killing of innocent bystanders. I'm not the misguided one here.

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