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Flappers
01/28/22 3:21:38 PM
#1:


Alright, let's be objective here.

Sword and Shield were the first Pokemon games I was actually disappointed with. First of all, the balance of the game was HORRIBLE. Not being able to turn off the EXP share was detrimental. It didn't help that you got showered in EXP for everything, be it the EXP candies or the EXP you got just from fucking camping. Not to mention that each gym leader was only like 2 levels higher than the last. This made it unplayable.
But I would have been able to forgive even that if the story was good. It just wasn't paced properly. Events happened with no real build up or anything making it interesting. What really killed it was Eternatus. It has literally the same gimmick as Necrozma. Why would they do that? It was so bad... The story really left us with nothing. The idea with the wolves was cool, though. But that aftergame was a fucking joke. I also have some problems with the DLCs. I think Crown Tundra was cool -- but the other one was just like, China, and I don't get why they did that when they claimed to have been so proud on how much they researched Britain for the game.
And this is more superficial, but the design for some of the Pokemon (looking at you Reddit-bot penguin) were inexcusably bad. But I do feel like most of the Pokemon were good. I am a bit disappointed in the Dynamax/Gigantamax gimmick, though -- it just felt too similar to Mega Evolution, but even that had its positives.

As for this Arceus game...
I do feel like the concept was actually a great idea. Giving Arceus his own game was the Diamond and Pearl remake we deserve. And the mission being to make the region's first Pokedex was really neat. ...But I can't help but to feel like they fucked up one a few things. First of all, the choice of starters. Why in God's name would they choose the ones they did? The Hisuian forms was an interesting idea because it forms the basis that Pokemon looked different in centuries passed. I think it was a little strange they changed the name of Sinnoh, but that I can live with. I get that the point may have been for you to "discover" the old starters, but Typhlosion, Samurott, and Decidueye was a mistake -- ESPECIALLY Decidueye. Poor bastard came around just a generation ago and they already massacred my boy with an unnecessary new form. Like, what were they thinking? In my opinion, they should have given us three new starters -- but with the gimmick that in present day Sinnoh, they became extinct. I think that would have been a neat concept...
The Pokedex seems like a strange mish-mash between previous generations. But for the most part I'm okay with it. The new form that I really can't accept is Weavile. What did they do to it!? Why? Removing it from being an Ice-type entirely was just garbage -- especially because they essentially just made is Toxicroak. It was unnecessary and lacks substance.

So here's my questions for you guys to answer...
-Can the story make up for the changes I have a problem with?
-Did they do Arceus justice?
-Is the story properly paced this time around?
-Did they fix the EXP problem so that the game is actually playable?

I just feel like Pokemon has been fucking up lately and I genuinely don't understand why they're doing what they're doing. I wish they'd just hear our complaints. It breaks my heart because this franchise has been such a huge part of my life for like...half of all my years. I have autism and focusing on a franchise I love, putting time into it, even being creative with it using my artwork -- is how I make myself happy. It's what I do.
I guess eventually all franchises die and we all have our first time with that. It hurts, but man -- I'm hoping it gets better. But that's probably a hollow wish... Shit like this never gets better. It just kinda happens.
I'm wondering if there's still some good in this game. Because man, the concept was rad -- but just from what I've seen I think they been trying WAY too hard with the superficial stuff and that just kills the experience. We still want it to feel like Sinnoh, you know? We don't need that fucking Decidueye thing in Sinnoh or for Weavile to be slenderman smh

So uh... Tell me what you think.
And please, let's keep it respectful and not start that "wtf you talking 'bout pokemon died in gen__ lol" shit.

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helIy
01/28/22 3:24:13 PM
#2:


i'm not reading all that

but arceus is just regular ass pokemon except you can move your person in battle for...some reason.

and rowlet is dope af, more of it is a blessing

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Flappers
01/28/22 3:32:04 PM
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helIy posted...
i'm not reading all that
Then you're not helping. I'm trying to have a discussion.

but arceus is just regular ass pokemon except you can move your person in battle for...some reason.
Not sure what you mean by Arceus is just a regular ass Pokemon. Are you saying the game lore doesn't evolve around him AT ALL? I...can't believe that...
And moving your person in battle? Wtf -- again, that's some unnecessary shit. They trying WAY too hard.

and rowlet is dope af, more of it is a blessing
He only came out ONE generation ago, and he was fine the way he was! My boy makes me think of Alola, not Sinnoh. It just seems weird that of all the Pokemon they chose Rowlet. Can't they just let him be him?

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Cacciato
01/28/22 3:41:53 PM
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helIy posted...
i'm not reading all that


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Krazy_Kirby
01/28/22 3:46:30 PM
#5:


you didn't have to use the xp candy.

and rowlett is an emo owl

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Flappers
01/28/22 3:49:57 PM
#6:


I'm asking for your opinions, here, people!

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Flappers
01/28/22 3:51:06 PM
#7:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
you didn't have to use the xp candy.
I never did and I still overleveled because you can't turn the EXP share off, you get EXP just for camping, and each gym is only 2 levels higher than the last! Literally everybody I ever talked to agreed it was a huge problem.
and rowlett is an emo owl
My boy was fine the way he was.

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Cacciato
01/28/22 3:57:05 PM
#8:


Flappers posted...
Not sure what you mean by Arceus is just a regular ass Pokemon. Are you saying the game lore doesn't evolve around him AT ALL? I...can't believe that...
thats not what he said at all. Holy shit.
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Flappers
01/28/22 3:58:09 PM
#9:


Cacciato posted...
thats not what he said at all. Holy shit.
Then what did he mean by Arceus is just a regular ass Pokemon?

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Zedonra
01/28/22 4:18:06 PM
#10:


I don't own and haven't played it but from what I've seen & read it looks mediocre just like all modern day pokemon games. Maybe worth playing someday but not worth $60 to me.

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AndyReklaw
01/28/22 4:18:43 PM
#11:


I mean, it already sounds like you've made your decision but, for what it's worth, I'm liking it a lot. I'm only a couple/few hours in and it's very different from the rest of the series (so I can't answer your questions). As someone who likes catching pokemon I'm really liking what they did with the gameplay loop. It's kinda like Let's Go (mainly about catching tons of pokemon and repeats, though this time to fill the dex in addition to levelling your team) but the change in overworld gameplay makes it a bit more engaging. Unlike LGPE you can fight wild pokemon in this and sometimes you need to but you are meant to be catching tons of them. I'm enjoying the story but like I said I'm pretty early still (and I'm pretty easy to please with pokemon stories). Also regional forms for the starters is a neat twist that hasn't been done yet so I'm a fan of the idea. And Cyndaquil is awesome.

That all being said Sword and Shield plus their DLC were my favorite of the series (and I've been playing since Red/Blue). I liked the characters and the world they built (Gym battles in sports arenas with crowd chanting mixing into the music is amazing) and the wild area and raids were awesome additions to the gameplay loop. There were problems for sure (tiny routes and not building it around the xp share did make it too easy) but I put a ton of time into it and loved it.

I feel like as long as pokemon remains a relatively simple turn-based rock-paper-scissors that lets me collect a bunch of 'em and build fun teams (just for fun... don't think I'll ever reach the point where I'm worried about EV training) I'm not going anywhere.

So I dunno... if you like catching pokemon it's pretty sweet. If you just want trainer battles that test your mettle then you're probably outta luck, might as well just head over to Showdown.

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lihlih
01/28/22 4:31:29 PM
#12:


Flappers posted...

Then what did he mean by Arceus is just a regular ass Pokemon?


I'm pretty sure helly meant that it's a regularass Pokemon game. Then Cac instead of being actually helpful and elaborating on what helly tried to say, is being an ass because that's who he is.

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DeltaBladeX
01/28/22 4:48:35 PM
#13:


I'm liking the game so far, got about 10 hours. Some actually challenging battles, so the point I'm using potions and revives, so that is nice.

It has the Skyrim open world style problem though. Climbing to areas you weren't always intended to go at the time. I was running around with L20 pokemon, got up a mountain, caught a L42.

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helIy
01/28/22 5:05:33 PM
#14:


Flappers posted...
Not sure what you mean by Arceus is just a regular ass Pokemon. Are you saying the game lore doesn't evolve around him AT ALL? I...can't believe that...
And moving your person in battle? Wtf -- again, that's some unnecessary shit. They trying WAY too hard.
i said

"arceus is just regular ass pokemon"

i did not say

"arceus is just a regular ass pokemon"

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Flappers
01/28/22 5:40:17 PM
#15:


AndyReklaw posted...
I mean, it already sounds like you've made your decision but, for what it's worth, I'm liking it a lot. I'm only a couple/few hours in and it's very different from the rest of the series (so I can't answer your questions). As someone who likes catching pokemon I'm really liking what they did with the gameplay loop. It's kinda like Let's Go (mainly about catching tons of pokemon and repeats, though this time to fill the dex in addition to levelling your team) but the change in overworld gameplay makes it a bit more engaging. Unlike LGPE you can fight wild pokemon in this and sometimes you need to but you are meant to be catching tons of them. I'm enjoying the story but like I said I'm pretty early still (and I'm pretty easy to please with pokemon stories). Also regional forms for the starters is a neat twist that hasn't been done yet so I'm a fan of the idea. And Cyndaquil is awesome.

That all being said Sword and Shield plus their DLC were my favorite of the series (and I've been playing since Red/Blue). I liked the characters and the world they built (Gym battles in sports arenas with crowd chanting mixing into the music is amazing) and the wild area and raids were awesome additions to the gameplay loop. There were problems for sure (tiny routes and not building it around the xp share did make it too easy) but I put a ton of time into it and loved it.

I feel like as long as pokemon remains a relatively simple turn-based rock-paper-scissors that lets me collect a bunch of 'em and build fun teams (just for fun... don't think I'll ever reach the point where I'm worried about EV training) I'm not going anywhere.

So I dunno... if you like catching pokemon it's pretty sweet. If you just want trainer battles that test your mettle then you're probably outta luck, might as well just head over to Showdown.
I'm glad you were able to enjoy it despite the gameplay.
I really admire story in my games. There have been ones with really good stories and I know I'm not the only one who felt like SWSH had some serious problems with theirs.

It isn't the battles I focus on. It's the story and overall how "fitting" things feels in the game. I really feel like lately they're trying way too hard to focus on gimmicks and it's taking away from the more major aspects, like gameplay and plot.

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Kimbos_Egg
01/28/22 6:11:11 PM
#16:


its fun

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Flappers
01/28/22 6:14:59 PM
#17:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
its fun
But is the story and gameplay any better?

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Kimbos_Egg
01/28/22 6:17:57 PM
#18:


gameplay is good, just wish there were gyms and more battles. catching pokemon is fun.

Story is about what you expect.

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Flappers
01/28/22 6:22:22 PM
#19:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
Story is about what you expect.
But I don't know what to expect.

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Flappers
01/28/22 6:22:43 PM
#20:


I'm kind of looking for an objective analysis here.

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Kimbos_Egg
01/28/22 6:41:48 PM
#21:


its the best pokemon game in years, still not there yet.

Graphics suck. Needs more traditional elements like gyms and shit, missing abilities hurt it.

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Flappers
01/28/22 6:45:19 PM
#22:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
its the best pokemon game in years, still not there yet.
???
Graphics suck. Needs more traditional elements like gyms and shit, missing abilities hurt it.
...Missing abilities?

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Kimbos_Egg
01/28/22 6:47:11 PM
#23:


there aren't any abilities in this game, and its still no where near as good as this franchise should be~

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Flappers
01/28/22 6:54:02 PM
#24:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
there aren't any abilities in this game, and its still no where near as good as this franchise should be~
Are you fucking kidding me!? Abilities are like a core feature of Pokemon! What the fuck are they thinking!?

Man I swear they been doing some bizarre shit since SWSH. The franchise is finally dying... I can't believe it. This feels unreal.
It's jarring to me the decisions their making.

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EvilMegas
01/28/22 7:04:07 PM
#25:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
you didn't have to use the xp candy.

and rowlett is an emo owl
You suck at pokemon. No one needs your input.

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Flappers
01/28/22 7:09:12 PM
#26:


EvilMegas posted...
You suck at pokemon. No one needs your input.
You're my favorite so far.

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Flappers
01/28/22 7:09:33 PM
#27:


bro im trippin

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danny_S_06
01/28/22 7:15:52 PM
#28:


Tedious and typical mediocre effort from gamefreak, par for the course from them in recent years.
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Flappers
01/28/22 8:23:58 PM
#29:


You look at how good like XY was, then you look at this shit and it's just... I have never seen such a dramatic turnaround. Everything was completely good and the SWSH came out and it was like all of the sudden BOOM right off a fucking cliff. Like, overnight it went to shit.

Bit SWSH did have redeeming qualities, I'm not saying it was a horrible game, I can see why some people would enjoy it -- even if the balance and pacing was pretty much objectively shite. It still felt like Pokemon.
But then they hit us with this shit, not even we got breeding or fucking abilities (you know, a core component of Pokemon) and I just... I do not understand it. I do not understand their decisions.

I'm seriously floored wondering how it just got so bad so fast.

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DeltaBladeX
01/28/22 8:36:15 PM
#30:


This is set way in the past. Breeding wasn't even discovered until whenever the second gen happened, long after this game in the timeline. People in this game are not comfortable near pokemon, many are scared of them, to the point villages have guards to protect them from wild pokemon. Stuff that people learned by that point in the series just isn't known to these people. Even pokeballs are a recent invention. Hell, they don't even have running water, they have containers for water in their homes instead.

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Flappers
01/28/22 8:54:55 PM
#31:


DeltaBladeX posted...
This is set way in the past. Breeding wasn't even discovered until whenever the second gen happened, long after this game in the timeline. People in this game are not comfortable near pokemon, many are scared of them, to the point villages have guards to protect them from wild pokemon. Stuff that people learned by that point in the series just isn't known to these people. Even pokeballs are a recent invention. Hell, they don't even have running water, they have containers for water in their homes instead.
That does make sense and is actually a really cool concept story-wise.

Gameplay-wise, it was a mistake...
But I guess I can let it slide.

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Cacciato
01/28/22 8:56:37 PM
#32:


lihlih posted...
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AndyReklaw
01/28/22 9:05:23 PM
#33:


Wait 'til ya hear about held items (another thing that wouldn't have existed in universe yet).

Played a few more hours and it is a lot of fun. Exploring the world is fun and the agile/strong styles are a neat mixup. Also the damage is really weird. Everything feels like it does a bunch of damage even if your pokemons a few levels higher. But it does kinda add a nice challenge.

As far as story (I've only just gotten past the first Noble) I'm enjoying it. As mentioned, I've got a low bar but there's a bunch of characters and the way they're building the story and threat is pretty intriguing. Pacing seems fine but given the nature of the game it kinda seems like it'll be down to you on how fast things move. If you take long breaks to go explore and catch things it's gonna break up the story quite a bit. You might be able to rush it but I think with the way damage scales now it might be pretty hard to not just get wiped by some random pokemon that decides to jump you.

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Krazy_Kirby
01/28/22 9:10:56 PM
#34:


EvilMegas posted...

You suck at pokemon. No one needs your input.


says the guy who spent hours grinding, and using all the xp candy, then blamed the game for allowing him to do that

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Kimbos_Egg
01/28/22 9:12:38 PM
#35:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
says the guy who spent hours grinding, and using all the xp candy, then blamed the game for allowing him to do that

neither us did that, but okay. keep defending bad game design.

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T0ffee
01/28/22 9:23:18 PM
#36:


Here's a possible theory on why they chose those specific pokemon as starters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPax78BVkTo


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Flappers
01/28/22 9:34:51 PM
#37:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
neither us did that, but okay. keep defending bad game design.
preach

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EvilMegas
01/28/22 10:23:59 PM
#38:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
says the guy who spent hours grinding, and using all the xp candy, then blamed the game for allowing him to do that
Keep making stuff up to defend a game you didn't even play lol

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lihlih
01/28/22 10:54:40 PM
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Lol, nice comeback.

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Flappers
01/28/22 11:29:34 PM
#40:


>Make a statement claiming that SWSH had a legitimate imbalance with EXP by several reasons -- us not being able to turn of EXP share, getting EXP for camping, gyms not being different enough levels, and thus EXP candies are pointless because you get overleveled just by playing the game.

>This fucking guy: WELLYOUSHOULDNTHAVEUSEDEXPCANDY

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Krazy_Kirby
01/29/22 12:09:39 AM
#41:


itt: WHY ARE THESE GAMES MADE FOR CHILDREN SO EASY??!!??.

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DeltaBladeX
01/29/22 1:02:35 AM
#42:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
itt: WHY ARE THESE GAMES MADE FOR CHILDREN SO EASY??!!??.

Why did they force enable a feature that people have been requesting to turn off since the start of the Switch generations when it can be disabled with one edit in hacked versions? This change to the Exp All is easy to disable, it is wanted, and they just ignore it, releasing several games with no choice of disabling it.

You might say "Oh, this is for children", but so were all the previous games where it was possible to disable, and in fact was off by default in almost all games.

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KodyKeir
01/29/22 1:14:58 AM
#43:


Flappers posted...
Did they fix the EXP problem so that the game is actually playable?

I can't answer the first three (yet)

The fourth:

They encourage you to catch a lot of pokemon, ABC (always be catching) they want you to cycle through your tertiary pokemon and explore what the constant changing dynamic means to you much the same with weapon durability in BoTW. After four hours I had just screamed through the first early challenges to my first star and the red eyed pokemon. I could play this straight through to the end but better to set in breaks because I can see the little addict triggers built in to keep you playing.

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helIy
01/29/22 9:28:26 AM
#44:


swsh was fine lmao

just don't use the xp candies and you're golden

arceus is a tad harder imo, because my pokemon seem to just be getting annihilated by everything regardless of level

a level 14 turtwig wiped my entire team, including my level 30 quilava, not even alpha.

and then there's weird discrepancies. like my quilava can one shot level 19-23 gastlys with a single regular ember

it takes three to kill a level 12 gastly.

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11110111011
01/29/22 10:08:54 AM
#45:


So far it isn't bad.

I'm REALLY annoyed that I can't skip the text scenes. I'll probably never play it again after I beat it for that reason alone.

I do like the fact that you can pull up your pokemon list in battle and it shows all of the moves that are effective / not effective against the pokemon you are facing.
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Flappers
01/29/22 12:23:15 PM
#46:


helIy posted...
swsh was fine lmao
It was just okay. The balance for the gameplay was completely out of whack and the story was poorly paced. Like 90% of people I've talked to agree. I'm not saying it's wrong go like it, Hell I'm glad you do -- but it had major flaws that I feel can't be overlooked.

just don't use the xp candies and you're golden
DUDE. You keep missing the part where you get EXP for just playing the game. I NEVER used the EXP candies and I STILL got overleveled! Why? Because you can't turn of EXP share, you get EXP just for camping, and each gym is only like 2 levels higher than the last.

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Krazy_Kirby
01/29/22 1:25:25 PM
#47:


11110111011 posted...

I do like the fact that you can pull up your pokemon list in battle and it shows all of the moves that are effective / not effective against the pokemon you are facing.


that's been in the games for quite awhile

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Flappers
01/29/22 7:07:25 PM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
that's been in the games for quite awhile
Yeah. I thought it was super unnecessary. It's also just another thing that panders to making the game beyond as easy as possible for new players. I mean, I know it should be easy enough for a kid to play, but holy Hell they're going nuts with it all the sudden.

Unova's difficulty setting was beautiful.

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helIy
01/29/22 7:09:16 PM
#49:


Flappers posted...
DUDE. You keep missing the part where you get EXP for just playing the game. I NEVER used the EXP candies and I STILL got overleveled! Why? Because you can't turn of EXP share, you get EXP just for camping, and each gym is only like 2 levels higher than the last.
sure

i believe you

meanwhile i did all of that and was underleveled

just don't use xp candies lmao, you don't gotta lie about using them no one really cares

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Flappers
01/29/22 7:22:05 PM
#50:


helIy posted...
just don't use xp candies lmao
DUDE

I didn't use EXP candies and I still got overleveled.

Because the game has other features that makes it too easy to get EXP even without the candies!

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