Poll of the Day > Do you consider this a human being?

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/3/3/AAckHXAADNhp.jpg

I can't tell what it is...

I mean, assuming that's a HUMAN embryo then yes, it's a human being...

I barely consider most of the people posting on PotD to be human beings.

You, for instance. Considering the consistency of your posts and the single-mindedness of your topic subjects, I'm starting to assume you might be a bot.

You'd probably find that if you obsessed over politics less, you'd be a happier person.

Assuming you are a person.

The gay guy group on Facebook already told me its a pig embryo

Lokarin posted...

I can't tell what it is...

I mean, assuming that's a HUMAN embryo then yes, it's a human being...

LinkPizza posted...

The gay guy group on Facebook already told me its a pig embryo

Smart men. LP is correct.

I was hoping to get a conservative in here saying, YEAH, thats a human being! But I guess Ill have to make due with PO having a mini therapy session.

I know it's not human but
Lokarin posted...

I mean, assuming that's a HUMAN embryo then yes, it's a human being...

HornedLion posted...

But I guess Ill have to make due with PO having a mini therapy session.

Just be glad I'm not charging you for it.

even if it was a human embyro, then no, it's not a person.

it's an embryo that has the potential to become a human

Adam_Savage posted...

even if it was a human embyro, then no, it's not a person.

it's an embryo that has the potential to become a human

Just reminded me of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recapitulation_theory

https://youtu.be/fqv7ot5gW8U

Oh look another moral panic thread.

That is a human bean

imagine going

https://i.imgur.com/0gdcCz8.png

yep that's a sentient human being right there

Why would I?

Judgmenl posted...

Oh look another moral panic thread.

Really though, if it wasn't for people being annoying and shining light on dismal topics then the world would just go off the rails. It's going to take a lot of talking to fix this mess. Yeah, convincing people on the internet a huge deal, because they go and talk to someone else. You think that is more or less effective than going outside and protesting?

Because they want to go after contraception next, and people should be ready to get really pissed off.

Yellow posted...

Really though, if it wasn't for people being annoying and shining light on dismal topics then the world would just go off the rails.

But when all people do is make outraged topics about stuff on the Internet without doing anything more to actually follow through or live up to their convictions in any meaningful way, the world still goes off the rails, but the ride down just gets much more annoying for everyone else.

Being an Internet slacktivist who whines about political issues on a board where most people already agree with you just kind of borders on emotional masturbation. Sure, it makes you feel better, but what exactly have you accomplished?

Looks like an honorary human being to me. Why you would want to destroy a precious thing escapes my reasoning. It's about being a decent human being.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

But when all people do is make outraged topics about stuff on the Internet without doing anything more to actually follow through or live up to their convictions in any meaningful way, the world still goes off the rails, but the ride down just gets much more annoying for everyone else.

Being an Internet slacktivist who whines about political issues on a board where most people already agree with you just kind of borders on emotional masturbation. Sure, it makes you feel better, but what exactly have you accomplished?

That's ok, I like to follow up. And in all honesty, no offense, it sounds more like you just don't like the fact that people are talking about it because you vote Republican.

But I don't really have the time to join physical group meetups, not many people do, and last time I went to "debate" on Stormfront a nazi who looked like Santa doxxed me (very open-minded and logical people). If Potd agrees, good, they should, it actually helps prevents disingenuous people from spreading the idea to moderates that this is actually about the 10% of third-trimester abortions where the baby is ripped to itty bitty shreds in a very sad way and not just about controlling women and trying to keep them in their Christian culture where an organism with no nervous system is treated like a human being because "souls" and "God". Yeah, I think I can kind of help with that.

Guess I could go elsewhere, but eh, I have fun. :/ Here we talk about anything and that's pretty much why I come here. Say I start a YouTube channel, if I really wanted it to work out, I'd have to put a lot of time and research into making it because I wouldn't want to slip up and have to apologize. Leftist YouTube is really not as easy as it looks, I think in my current state a Nazi could throw a bogus statistic at me and just totally throw me off unless I literally spent all my time learning everything they talk about, which I can't do because I work 2 jobs, one of which is a software engineering job that literally attacks my brain. I would have to do a shitload of research. All Sargon has to do is skim headlines and rant.

Anyway if it wasn't for YouTube comment section arguments I would literally still be pro-life, thank fucking god for people who get their hands dirty. Now, those people flipped a vote. The guy who convinced me is not voting once, but 3 times. +1 from him, +1 for me not voting Republican, and +1 for me voting (Progressive Democrat and then Democrat as a fallback). Good on him. It was under a Family Guy video clip.

joemodda posted...

Why you would want to destroy a precious thing escapes my reasoning.

something stops being "precious" when it becomes extremely common

which birth is

It's a human being in an early stage of development. It's dishonest to claim otherwise.

Sentience and the discussion around it is a different matter.

it's literally not though

that image is of a pig embyro.

Adam_Savage posted...

it's literally not though

that image is of a pig embyro.

Ah, so the topic itself is disingenuous. Not sure if that's any better.

it's pointing out that an embyro is literally just goo and not a human being.

Adam_Savage posted...

it's pointing out that an embyro is literally just goo and not a human being.

That's not really true though. An embryo is just a stage of development. Hell, even you specified previously that the TC pic is a pig embryo.

no, it is true.

it's literally not a human being until it's near fully developed

if i show you a ball of dough, and i tell you that it's bread, you aren't gonna go, "sweet, cut me a slice and put some peanut butter on it man"

no, you're going to look at me and tell me i'm stupid because it's dough, it's not bread yet.

and when does the dough become bread?

when it's done cooking.

apply this to a human fetus, or any fetus and embyro.

Adam_Savage posted...

it's literally not a human being until it's near fully developed

It sounds like you're talking about sentience rather than humanity.

no.

it's not sentient or human

it is a ball of snot that will eventually become a Thing

but until it becomes the Thing, it is not the Thing.

a embryo or a fetus is not a person, it is an embyro and a fetus. it will be a person when it becomes a person.

it is not alive.

Adam_Savage posted...

it's not sentient or human

It's not sentient, but it's definitely human. Embryos are specific to their species, hence why you had to specify previously that the embryo posted by the TC is a pig embryo and not a human embryo.

No, that embryo belongs to a cop

PK_Spam posted...

No, that embryo belongs to a cop

What does it identify as?

If that were a human embryo I would consider it a potential human being. It has no brain, no consciousness, no nervous system, no sense experience, no life experience, no soul.

Yellow posted...

That's ok, I like to follow up. And in all honesty, no offense, it sounds more like you just don't like the fact that people are talking about it because you vote Republican.

Considering how often I've pointed out that I don't actually vote and consider both parties equally terrible in different ways (the problem isn't which party someone belongs to, it's the entire system and the paradigm of career politicians as a whole), it sounds like you don't really pay attention to people who disagree with you, and just immediately resort to tribalistic ad hominems in an attempt to score Internet cool points.

Which, you know, just sort of proves my point.

Rasmoh posted...

It's not sentient, but it's definitely human. Embryos are specific to their species, hence why you had to specify previously that the embryo posted by the TC is a pig embryo and not a human embryo.

this is straight up 100% irrelevant

try again

Adam_Savage posted...

even if it was a human embyro, then no, it's not a person.

it's an embryo that has the potential to become a human

So human embryos actually have cat DNA?

Adam_Savage posted...

it's literally not though

that image is of a pig embyro.

thank goodness, looking at it made me hungry and i was a little worried.

Adam_Savage posted...

this is straight up 100% irrelevant

try again

Sounds like you don't actually have a rebuttal, tough break.

Revelation34 posted...

So human embryos actually have cat DNA?

We could have catgirls if you used the right gene modification

Adam_Savage posted...

no, it is true.

it's literally not a human being until it's near fully developed

if i show you a ball of dough, and i tell you that it's bread, you aren't gonna go, "sweet, cut me a slice and put some peanut butter on it man"

no, you're going to look at me and tell me i'm stupid because it's dough, it's not bread yet.

and when does the dough become bread?

when it's done cooking.

apply this to a human fetus, or any fetus and embyro.

Food analogy's for humans, how moral, it's funny your so pro vax to "protect" people and yet you dehumanise a fetus to justify it's destruction when it's literally just a tiny developing human. Please tell me more of you blue checkmark "expert verified" opinions.

To continue with your analogy, that dough doesn't have to become bread, it can stay dough, it can be used to make something else entirely, a human fetus is going to be a human and only a human, it's a human.

Jesserae posted...

t can be used to make something else entirely

no?

bread dough becomes bread, no matter what is done with it

because it's bread dough

when it is dough, it is not bread.

when it develops, it is then bread.

this is not a hard concept to understand, a embyro or fetus is not a living thing. it is sludge that has the potential to become a Thing. it has no heart, it has no brain, it has no soul (if you believe in that sort of this), it fits the definition of parasite, actually, but that's neither here nor there.

the point is, it is not a homosapien, a human, a person, until it actually becomes those things. it factually cannot be something if it is not that something.

In my case... I don't care, I'd eat raw cookie dough and declare that even a fetus has personhood - but I still support the right to choose to eliminate it

Except it doesn't have to be bread, you can make a pizza, a cinnamon scroll, pasta ect.
Over time it will have a heart, a brain, a soul, from the moment of conception it is going to be a human.
How can you say it's not a living thing? that's so fucking stupid it's actually unbelievable.

Jesserae posted...

Except it doesn't have to be bread, you can make a pizza, a cinnamon scroll, pasta ect.
Over time it will have a heart, a brain, a soul, from the moment of conception it is going to be a human.
How can you say it's not a living thing? that's so fucking stupid it's actually unbelievable.

Technically, the pizza crust is a type of bread. So is a cinnamon roll. Which means that the bread dough is still making bread. It just make have toppings on it for a pizza, or cinnamon flavor for a cinnamon roll Pasta isnt bread, but I think pasta dough is different from bread dough So, bread dough would eventually become bread of some kind if developed

For me, I do think a fetus is a living thing. But I still consider it different from a person

Jesserae posted...

Except it doesn't have to be bread, you can make a pizza, a cinnamon scroll, pasta ect.
Over time it will have a heart, a brain, a soul, from the moment of conception it is going to be a human.
How can you say it's not a living thing? that's so fucking stupid it's actually unbelievable.

those are still breads. except pasta, but if you're using bread dough for pasta you're just making dumplings, which is still bread.

yeah, over time it will have those things. but it is still not a person, it has not become the Thing yet.

it literally cannot be the Thing until it becomes the Thing.

as for it living, while it is in the womb, it is not living. it is, quite literally, an extension of the mother, a growth, like a tumor.

Rasmoh posted...

It's not sentient, but it's definitely human.

toenail clippings are human, too.

but personhood doesn't matter anyway. Q: who or what has the right to hook themselves up to someone else's body to sustain themselves without that person's consent? A: no one and nothing.

Sahuagin posted...

Q: who or what has the right to hook themselves up to someone else's body to sustain themselves without that person's consent?

I'm pro-choice, but consent is implicit in engaging in the reproductive act of sex. Pregnancy is the express expected outcome.

Rasmoh posted...

I'm pro-choice, but consent is implicit in engaging in the reproductive act of sex. Pregnancy is the express expected outcome.

If you used contraceptive that failed, then thats not consent, nor the expected outcome

yeah, what LinkPizza said. doing something that may have a side-effect does not implicitly "consent" to that side effect. and the presence of contraceptives is not just lack of consent, but explicit refusal.