Poll of the Day > Do you consider this a human being?

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Jesserae posted...

dehumanise a fetus

Guess what? The constitution doesn't protect the "rights" of a fetus. The rights granted by the constitution only apply to people born in the United States.

LinkPizza posted...

If you used contraceptive that failed, then thats not consent, nor the expected outcome

Pregnancy is the biologically expected outcome of sex. We have, through human ingenuity, found a way to mitigate that outcome because we enjoy the numerous secondary motivators that encourage us to participate in sex, but it's still the expected outcome. Sex is a reproductive act.

Sahuagin posted...

yeah, what LinkPizza said. doing something that may have a side-effect does not implicitly "consent" to that side effect. and the presence of contraceptives is not just lack of consent, but explicit refusal.

Pregnancy isn't a side-effect, it's the biologically expected outcome. The side-effects are the pleasures associated with sex that serve as a means to motivate us to engage in reproduction.

Rasmoh posted...

Pregnancy is the biologically expected outcome of sex. We have, through human ingenuity, found a way to mitigate that outcome because we enjoy the numerous secondary motivators that encourage us to participate in sex, but it's still the expected outcome. Sex is a reproductive act.

Pregnancy isn't a side-effect, it's the biologically expected outcome. The side-effects are the pleasures associated with sex that serve as a means to motivate us to engage in reproduction.

Its a reproductive act, but reproduction isnt the only reason people do it. For example, for me, its not ever a reproductive act as I am a male having sex with males. Reproduction is a consequence that can happen during sex. But not always, even without contraceptives. Having sex DOES NOT mean you are giving consent to something else to live using your body. Its a consequence that sometimes happens. And just like how you can take away consent at any point during sex, you can do the same with the thing living inside you

LinkPizza posted...

Its a reproductive act, but reproduction isnt the only reason people do it.

True, but biologically the purpose of sex is to reproduce. All the positives associated with sex serve as motivators to engage in what is a relatively strenuous activity. Everything else you're talking about is social constructs around a biological process.

Rasmoh posted...

True, but biologically the purpose of sex is to reproduce. All the positives associated with sex serve as motivators to engage in what is a relatively strenuous activity. Everything else you're talking about is social constructs around a biological process.

The purpose of hair is to provide warmth... and we cut it

Rasmoh posted...

True, but biologically the purpose of sex is to reproduce. All the positives associated with sex serve as motivators to engage in what is a relatively strenuous activity. Everything else you're talking about is social constructs around a biological process.

But reproduction isnt its only purpose. Its just one of its purpose. The other purpose is pleasure. Things can have more than one purpose. Many people use it for the second purpose, even if they dont use it for the first Youre getting too caught up in one part of sex. If all sex was for was to reproduce, then we would do what the animals do and just have sex without consent. Which happens in the animal world quite often. And many animals can also have painful sex (ex. Cats) They dont have pleasurable sex, but still reproduce often But the point still stands that pregnancy is just a consequence of sex sometimes. But that doesnt mean it was wanted, not consented to Its just a consequence Sex has more than one purpose. And just because reproduction is one purpose doesnt really mean much Just like how a penis has multiple purposes, so does sex

Bonobos use sex as currency

Rasmoh posted...

it's the biologically expected outcome

then what is a contraceptive? your statement is just blatantly false.

Jesserae posted...

Except it doesn't have to be bread, you can make a pizza, a cinnamon scroll, pasta ect.
Over time it will have a heart, a brain, a soul, from the moment of conception it is going to be a human.
How can you say it's not a living thing? that's so fucking stupid it's actually unbelievable.

"Every sperm is sacred"

Dude you are dumber than a rock.

LinkPizza posted...

The other purpose is pleasure.

The pleasure is a biological motivator to reproduce.

LinkPizza posted...

then we would do what the animals do and just have sex without consent

Numerous animals have sex with consent.

LinkPizza posted...

But the point still stands that pregnancy is just a consequence of sex sometimes.

Reproduction is the purpose of sex. It's wired into our beings to have sex to reproduce, that's the purpose. The motivators behind sex are all to incentivize reproduction. The fact that we've become successful at mitigating the express outcome doesn't change the biological purpose of sex.

Sahuagin posted...

then what is a contraceptive? your statement is just blatantly false.

A human invention to prevent the expected outcome of sex. That doesn't change the biological purpose of sex.

No, if it's not forming memories it's not human.
So around 3 years old.

Rasmoh posted...

A human invention to prevent the expected outcome of sex. That doesn't change the biological purpose of sex.

what does biology have to do with rights and consent? why would biology dictate our laws?

Anyone want some popcorn

LinkPizza posted...

Technically, the pizza crust is a type of bread. So is a cinnamon roll. Which means that the bread dough is still making bread. It just make have toppings on it for a pizza, or cinnamon flavor for a cinnamon roll Pasta isnt bread, but I think pasta dough is different from bread dough So, bread dough would eventually become bread of some kind if developed

For me, I do think a fetus is a living thing. But I still consider it different from a person

Yeah it's not a person. Helly is just wrong to claim it isn't human since that's not how DNA works.

Metalsonic66 posted...

Bonobos use sex as currency

The one animal you can't rape, because they are always down to hit up pound town

Rasmoh posted...

The pleasure is a biological motivator to reproduce.

Except its not for everyone. For example, anyone whos not straight or having same sex relationships. For them, its NOT a motivator to reproduce. Like at all Sex has multiple functions. They can be connected, but dont have to be. Sex can also be painful and non-pleasurable for many. But many of those people still want to reproduce. Sex can be used for reproduction. It can also be pleasurable. Sometimes, people just want the pleasure of it without the child part. Which is why we have contraceptives Just because it has multiple functions doesnt mean the functions have to connect

Rasmoh posted...

Numerous animals have sex with consent.

I know. I never said they all raped. I just said like the animals do. Some of them just rape to procreate. It happens in the animal kingdom. And is quite common More so than we think, at least

Rasmoh posted...

Reproduction is the purpose of sex. It's wired into our beings to have sex to reproduce, that's the purpose. The motivators behind sex are all to incentivize reproduction. The fact that we've become successful at mitigating the express outcome doesn't change the biological purpose of sex.

No. Reproduction is a consequence of sex. Its NOT the only purpose. Pleasure is also a purpose. I dont know how else to explain it to you. SEX HAS MULTIPLE PURPOSES. One purpose is reproduction. Another is pleasure. For MANY people, sex has NOTHING to do with reproduction. Any same sex partners are having sex for reproduction. Anyone using contraceptives arent having sex for reproduction. Many people who arent ovulating arent having sex for reproduction. Many people shooting blanks arent having sex for reproduction. People with vasectomies and their tubes tied arent having sex for reproduction. I would wager MOST people arent having sex for reproduction. One purpose of sex is reproduction. But its not the only reason AT ALL Having a baby is just a consequences of having sex, and not even every time

Rasmoh posted...

A human invention to prevent the expected outcome of sex. That doesn't change the biological purpose of sex.

Youre acting like the only reason we do stuff is for biological reasons. But thats not true. We even go against biology a lot

Rasmoh posted...

Pregnancy isn't a side-effect, it's the biologically expected outcome.

Side effects are effects that occur outside of what's expected or intended. In the vast majority of cases that people are having sex, pregnancy is neither intended nor expected. Therefore, pregnancy should be considered a side effect of achieving the primary goal (pleasure) in those cases. Biology has nothing to do with it; expectations/intentions are defined by those involved in the process, whatever pointlessly reductionist approach you can take to analyzing their motivations.

Heck, even in instances where people do consider reproduction to be the primary purpose of sex and aren't doing anything to try to prevent it, calling it the "expected outcome" is a stretch. Women are only fertile for roughly a third of each month, and only for about 60-70% of their adult lives. Even during those periods, fertilization is hardly guaranteed. Randomly having sex without specifically trying to reproduce is quite a bit less likely to result in pregnancy than not, which is entirely the opposite of what "the expected outcome" means.