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TheSultanOfSlam
07/27/22 8:04:04 AM
#401:


All the votes that were on me Hans was the worst

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masterplum
07/27/22 8:33:15 AM
#402:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Out of all the votes on BCT Lopens does look the worst

BUT his immediate unvote realizing the vote is high give him slight town points here.

Ulti usually for me if scum makes it a little obvious at some point. I have not seen that defining post yet. So though he has been a bit wild dont have the scum tell on him.

But after his unvote he says he is ok ending the day early

how does that make sense

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masterplum
07/27/22 8:34:25 AM
#403:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
All the votes that were on me Hans was the worst

Why

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TheSultanOfSlam
07/27/22 8:38:25 AM
#404:


masterplum posted...
But after his unvote he says he is ok ending the day early

how does that make sense

Ohh I missed that good call.

masterplum posted...
Why

Lack of explanation and just piggy backing more or less

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masterplum
07/27/22 8:44:00 AM
#405:


Han not giving explanation doesnt concern me. He is the best pure gut player in the game.

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TheSultanOfSlam
07/27/22 8:46:21 AM
#406:


masterplum posted...
Han not giving explanation doesnt concern me. He is the best pure gut player in the game.

I thought it was a little outta character but the rest of his play has been fine

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TheSultanOfSlam
07/27/22 8:51:30 AM
#407:


Corrik7 posted...
Strongly suggest we end day in a tie because random draw will do better than usual day 1s.
Interesting idea.. better then B8 special tbh

How does that work i assume random between the people tied?
If we can agree on 2 people to tie instead of a special.

Grannet I hope a scum just shoots themself in the foot and we kill scum

but I dont hate this idea.

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Obellisk
07/27/22 8:58:55 AM
#409:


Han had 3 posts prior to Post 140, a BCT post where he says he likes Han for his Hangut.

Hans Post:
HanOfTheNekos posted...
I didn't like ctes's posts on page 1 or Hb's check-in post.

And Ulti, I don't think you came to the correct conclusion on Lopen.

HanOfTheNekos posted...
BCT I'm holding judgment on since his post said nothing (it's not hard to post differently from last game when his posts were "what happens on D1?" He just has to pretend to have at least 1 game experience to post differently I mean come on).

Also, I can get behind Lea.

##Vote: Sultan

I don't anticipate being around as much today so I'll send you my bow Lea. I'm not sure how I feel about the way SBell hopped on though. Would someone typing up a post throw it away because you said a similar thing? Did SBell really think the same things, or is he just pretending to? I will keep these thoughts in mind.

HanOfTheNekos posted...
Ulti just goes balls out. That's not necessarily alignment indicating. He is more likely to be a bit more on the withheld side as Scum, tho

The BCT Post:
BlueCrystalTear posted...
Sultan I'm just unsure on, that's all. I don't know why he has 5 votes so quickly and that makes me think something is off. No idea what to make of it all.

Good:
Han because Hangut is strong here, and he seems like he's analyzing like town Gan did last game.


Obviously it makes little sense that BCT would have been so enamored by Hans Gut considering Han was voting for Sultan who BCT had literally no opinion on and didn't even understand why he had 5 votes.

The only reason i'm bringing this up now is because Plum just mentioned Hans Gut being the best gut this side of the Mississippi (slight exageration)
masterplum posted...
He is the best pure gut player in the game.



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TheSultanOfSlam
07/27/22 9:05:28 AM
#411:


##unvote
##vote:Han

come to think of it lets pressure Han a bit


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TheSultanOfSlam
07/27/22 9:06:17 AM
#412:


Not sure if they are making it obvious or what but wouldn't shock me a Han-bct/plum
Being scum together

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Obellisk
07/27/22 9:11:56 AM
#414:


Isquen posted...
Obelisk - I want him to live just to spite Ulti for giggles, even if both are town.


Just getting back to Isquen's post... dafuq does this even mean?

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Obellisk
07/27/22 9:12:44 AM
#415:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]



*sbell busy re-reading and quoting an isquen post*

Jesus christ Lea... this is a bit much.

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masterplum
07/27/22 9:22:54 AM
#416:


Lea, I dont like you speaking for Lopen

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Isquen
07/27/22 9:24:38 AM
#417:


masterplum posted...
Can you clarify what you mean here?

Letting my own history speak for itself. Why vote for a dead man walking when I can possibly nail a culprit looking for a patsy?

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Isquen
07/27/22 9:30:05 AM
#418:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Grannet I hope a scum just shoots themself in the foot and we kill scum

but I dont hate this idea.

*I* do for reasons posted in my stream-of-consciousness mini wall - especially when I have suspicions.

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Obellisk
07/27/22 9:34:16 AM
#419:


Isquen are you saying that Plum/BCT player slot is town?

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TheSultanOfSlam
07/27/22 9:38:29 AM
#420:


Question isquen if you had a vig shot who would it be and why?

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ctesjbuvf
07/27/22 9:41:10 AM
#421:


I see quite a bit has happened overnight. I was hesitant yesterday because I think BCT would have been coached more as scum yesterday. I didn't buy the roleblocker claim for a second, but I feel like that was BCT trying to claim a good role that wasn't his actual role due to mechanics, he hinted was good earlier. Desperate and not thought through and I don't think that play was good at all, but it doesn't strike me as scummy.

Then plum replaces in and maybe that makes things easier because BCT's lack of play was making it hard to truly judge what was mafia and what was frustrations. It also tells me no scummates were cheering him on tbh. Like, everything could have been panicking inexperienced town. So while his play wasn't great and plum isn't off the hook, I think this is not the right place to look right now.

Btw, I can totally see town red wanting to lynch someone out of principle when there's nothing else to go by. Granted, I have never seen red as scum and he's good as town. Just saying I don't think that's a scumtell, not that it's a townclear.

I am back to working connection, I'll take a look at Elden Ring mafia next as promised and then probably approach Isquen in some fashion after because all their posts seem a bit dodgy.

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Isquen
07/27/22 9:42:28 AM
#422:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

To which I respond "Day 1 lol" and my usual "My schedule is shit (but at least its consistently so, for once.)" Jury duty might screw that in August but I haven't received my confirmation yet, merely "on call."

Also, I'm adorable in my own ways, and you could just have bad taste.

Obellisk posted...
Just getting back to Isquen's post... dafuq does this even mean?

Referring mostly to Ulti in two games now I've noticed doing nothing in postgame but saying "you suck" specifically to you. Or maybe Kirby, I dunno.

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Isquen
07/27/22 9:45:19 AM
#423:


Obellisk posted...
Isquen are you saying that Plum/BCT player slot is town?
Hell no, not at this juncture.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Question isquen if you had a vig shot who would it be and why?
I am not a day one shooter, and my vote is where it is for a reason.

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TheSultanOfSlam
07/27/22 9:47:47 AM
#424:


I dont hate that answer

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Obellisk
07/27/22 9:48:49 AM
#425:


Isquen posted...
Hell no, not at this juncture.

Then maybe i'm not understanding what your Plum post meant.

Who is the patsy?

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Obellisk
07/27/22 9:49:20 AM
#426:


Isquen posted...
I am not a day one shooter, and my vote is where it is for a reason.


Why couldn't you just say a name?

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Isquen
07/27/22 10:02:37 AM
#427:


Obellisk posted...
Why couldn't you just say a name?
Because using day 1 vigilante is stupid and does not spark town joy.

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Obellisk
07/27/22 10:06:56 AM
#428:


Isquen posted...
Because using day 1 vigilante is stupid and does not spark town joy.


The question never mentioned the day the shot was to be used. It was if you had a vig shot, who would it be and why.

Doesn't make a lot of sense why you would pussyfoot around the question.

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TheSultanOfSlam
07/27/22 10:07:11 AM
#429:


Isquen posted...
Because using day 1 vigilante is stupid and does not spark town joy.
What if it could only be used today and you'd get mod killed...

Its just a hypothetical question relax bro lol I would have been fine with that explanation but still say lopen and give more detail why but whatever

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Obellisk
07/27/22 10:11:34 AM
#430:


Also, Isquen, i still want to know who the patsy is.

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Isquen
07/27/22 10:14:57 AM
#431:


The patsy only exists if the day 1 wagon is an innocent, and the patsy is in a noose.

I'm going back to bed now before my shift in two hours, make of that what you will.

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TheSultanOfSlam
07/27/22 10:19:39 AM
#432:


Obellisk posted...
Also makes little sense why Sultan was so accepting of your response.
The response is kind of something I was exspecting but also a null tell a bit. Though I could see scum doing that to look pro town.

Then again it was a hypothetical..

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Obellisk
07/27/22 10:19:40 AM
#433:


Isquen posted...
Referring mostly to Ulti in two games now I've noticed doing nothing in postgame but saying "you suck" specifically to you. Or maybe Kirby, I dunno.


Getting back to this response real quick. I dont get how it would be a dig at Ulti for me to "live" even if we are both town. Now that you've stated its based on Postgame Discord Chats about how Ulti just shits on my play after the game. (not that i generally need ulti to tell my play is shit, i know when it is, but thats besides the point).

I guess i'm looking for the pro-town play in all of what you have said and how it helps the game catch scum.

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ctesjbuvf
07/27/22 10:23:11 AM
#434:


So about halfway through topic 1 of Elden Ring I stop and consider if I'm getting anywhere (game looks cool though, maybe I'll read some other time).

I actually do find Sultan's day 1 somewhat similar to this game. He makes some accusations that seem to be accusations made just to make something. He vote on Ben feels pretty similar. This time the heat got off of him partly because BCT stole the spotlight, but I think it's very similar.

I then also skimmed through Star Wars and Pokmon, Sultan's most recent town game and I'm not exactly seeing a vastly different play. He has less presence, but he also appeared to check in many pages into the game, so it's hard to tell, but it's certainly less similar and I could see this being Sultan in scum play.

Did someone else read Elden Ring and said they didn't see similarities though? I recall that, but not who. I can check myself, but if something remembers. That seems a bit odd to me.

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Lopen
07/27/22 10:28:55 AM
#435:


masterplum posted...
Then why did you unvote him?

Because I didn't like how fast the train built (Lea literally ninjaed between me considering the vote) and more importantly I didn't like the high density of Ben/Sultan voters on it.

Never thought he was for sure town. You being obtuse about Han's obvious joke post is making you lose a lot of good faith gained from saying the claim was a lie too.

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Lopen
07/27/22 10:30:52 AM
#436:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I actually do find Sultan's day 1 somewhat similar to this game. He makes some accusations that seem to be accusations made just to make something. He vote on Ben feels pretty similar. This time the heat got off of him partly because BCT stole the spotlight, but I think it's very similar.

Strong disagree. There are notable differences in Sultan's play that game. I think you're speaking very generally here almost in a horoscope like fashion and I don't like it.

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Lopen
07/27/22 10:35:15 AM
#437:


Big things that are different in Sultan's Elden Ring game

1. Sultan focused a lot on the good/bad mechanics. To me that is a good way to fake content and something he hasn't done here despite it being possible to do so.
2. Sultan had a very apologetic/sycophantic tone to his posts in that game. He was very quick to praise people. He also was very careful about explaining his votes whereas here he sorta just put one down and was like "sounds good"

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htaeD
07/27/22 10:47:14 AM
#438:


Plum could you answer my earlier question.
Did you think people seriously wanted to lynch Corrik?

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masterplum
07/27/22 10:47:55 AM
#439:


masterplum posted...
In general, I don't think Lopen's thought process has been consistent

I would like him to explain what he was thinking and why his thoughts led to the posts he made

1. Before BCT claimed
2. When he didn't like the lynch train
3. After BCT claimed
4. When I replaced BCT / said that BCT was lying about his claim


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masterplum
07/27/22 10:48:59 AM
#440:


htaeD posted...
Plum could you answer my earlier question.
Did you think people seriously wanted to lynch Corrik?

When it looked like IGCD was a funny day vig? Yes.

Day vig through infinite votes sounds like a pretty wacky role that would fit here

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ctesjbuvf
07/27/22 10:51:02 AM
#441:


Well I suppose that answers my question, doesn't it.

1. He was discussing them a bit, even humoring the idea of a journal blocker. He wasn't talking that much more about good/bad mechanics.
2. He didn't seem that careful really. He was asked about suspects, then came up with someone and explained later and it felt as forced as the Ben vote here to me. Despite being asked about suspects he praised people too.

I read half of topic 1 there, so if it starts being less similar for there then that's great, but I said I hadn't read further. I also noted that Star Wars and Pokmon mafia weren't that different, noting there wasn't that strong a case.

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htaeD
07/27/22 10:53:12 AM
#442:


masterplum posted...


When it looked like IGCD was a funny day vig? Yes.

Day vig through infinite votes sounds like a pretty wacky role that would fit here


Okay, but why not just ask IGCD to not kill Corrik directly then?
Just came across as if you wanted to let it happen still.

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Obellisk
07/27/22 10:54:11 AM
#443:


masterplum posted...
When it looked like IGCD was a funny day vig? Yes.

Day vig through infinite votes sounds like a pretty wacky role that would fit here


thats 1 person though.

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HanOfTheNekos
07/27/22 10:56:43 AM
#444:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Are you talking about when I made a really obvious joke to anyone who has read the game?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I thought it was a little outta character but the rest of his play has been fine

Why would you say this then vote me? Also, objectively, my vote on you was the best one, that you should feel most fine about. But I don't really feel like you're Scum anyway so ##Unvote: Sultan

Hbthebattle posted...
Can I ask why we're putting plum out of contention? That slot looked awful when BCT had it, and plum trying to walk it back hasn't really erased that.

Because BCT didn't look awful. He looked new. He was under suspicion last game too. But in the previous game, he had a Scumteam that was able to coach him through responses, and here he just gave up. Just giving up is a lot more likely that he's frustrated Town.

And I'm glad you said it because it persuaded me to reread and I'm like 90% sure you're Scum Hb.

Sparknotes for Hb being Scum
Go back and read how little he says. Hangs out on the edges like Gollum, saying things are "weird" and providing nothing but little nudges.

##Vote: Hb

I'm hesitant to say this is Hangut which means it probably is, which means Hb is probably Scum.

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changmas
07/27/22 10:57:12 AM
#445:


Isquen's actually been attempting to copy quite a few players' styles this game and making way more lists than necessary. Like he started out with some Chris-ish "vibe check" posts and then apparently his most recent one is supposed to be reminiscent of Kirby?

What's more concerning though is that they don't seem to contain correct information.

Isquen posted...
Now with 10% more braincells, I commit my empty thoughts to paper.

Plum - Looks awful because of BCT's digestion of their own foot. I like to vote against someone on a day 1 train, but I could be convinced.
Ben - About the only thing I like so far is the Corrik vote. Everything else is very similar to scum play I've seen in the past few times he's been scum.
changmas - Good vibes from 'em, even suspecting me. I can dig it.
Corrik - The whole "random it out teehee :)" thing won't ever work (Christ, I have a harder time wrangling five people to do D&D in the same time zones, sixteen won't work especially if there's a hammerer or something like it.) Corrik usually is a wild card, but I smell a rat.
ctes - I only have my initial bad vibe to go off of, which isn't much. Still.
Death - Alive past Day 0 obvscum. But really, gotta reread their things.
IGCD - Kudos.
Isquen - Handsome.
Han - Hansome
HB - Sweet boy points expired, please try again.
Lea - Good vibes halted because of agreeing to Corrik's random plan, and further thrown into disarray by questioning people and providing nothing in return.
Lopen - Red flag on the horizon that I must be vague about. I'm voting them for my own reasons.
Obelisk - I want him to live just to spite Ulti for giggles, even if both are town.
red13n - Hides and pokes bears for a living, but does this both as town and scum, so I dunno.
Sultan - The aforementioned sense of being here before, during Souls Mafia. Also the immediate piggyback on a vote.
Ulti - Good vibes, again, but also a similar chaos elemental as Corrik day 1. None or little of the usual self-importance bravado I'm accustomed to, I'll note.

Like not even looking further than just this, aren't descriptions for Lea and I flipped? Unless Isquen was predicting this post 12 hours in the future, I don't think I even mentioned Isquen once before this post, but somehow I've been suspecting him?

Meanwhile Lea who I believe (correct me if i'm wrong?) was actually suspecting Isquen also hit immediately back at Corrik with some strong sarcasm about the random lynch. It was me, not her, who kinda agreed with Corrik's random lynch suggestion.

This isn't the first time he's paired us together, either. See:

Isquen posted...
I sally onwards to my eight hours of indentured servitude to the Man with an update to the vibe check.

Groovy:
Changmas
Lea

Grody:
Ben
Sultan

Now why is that?

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HanOfTheNekos
07/27/22 10:59:32 AM
#446:


Guys, I promise I'll read into Isquen too but not now, got work.

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Lopen
07/27/22 11:00:08 AM
#447:


masterplum posted...
1. Before BCT claimed
2. When he didn't like the lynch train
3. After BCT claimed
4. When I replaced BCT / said that BCT was lying about his claim

  1. I feel like there is a case with meat building on this person unlike Sultan/Ben where I saw votes but not people adding to the case. I'll put a vote because we need pressure on someone to get some good content and haven't really had any yet.
  2. Already stated in my previous post. I will note that I also removed the vote because I wanted BCT some chance to react before we hit a critical mass because I actually know BCT's personality to some level (he had me blocked for years for the most mundane comment-- so him having a Crescent like meltdown is something I was being a bit cautious of) and I wouldn't have made it at all if I saw Lea's vote sandwiched in there. I think Red probably knows BCT's personality too as a long time B8 user and that's why I saw his vote as predatory after saying BCT was likely town.
  3. This is clearly a fake claim because BCT claimed this role was super important to town and would lose town the game, and a town RB simply isn't very important. BCT's obsession with the anti-claim mechanic makes it plausible it was town fakeclaiming though. BCT's lack of attempt to actually get votes off of him makes it less plausible he was town though because the strategy isn't there-- why fakeclaim and then just let yourself die.
  4. Replacement makes it likely BCT tilted massively and didn't defend himself due to that, thus more plausible he was town despite his play not making sense with a fakeclaim.



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ctesjbuvf
07/27/22 11:03:26 AM
#448:


Isquen posted...
Now with 10% more braincells, I commit my empty thoughts to paper.

Plum - Looks awful because of BCT's digestion of their own foot. I like to vote against someone on a day 1 train, but I could be convinced.
Ben - About the only thing I like so far is the Corrik vote. Everything else is very similar to scum play I've seen in the past few times he's been scum.
changmas - Good vibes from 'em, even suspecting me. I can dig it.
Corrik - The whole "random it out teehee :)" thing won't ever work (Christ, I have a harder time wrangling five people to do D&D in the same time zones, sixteen won't work especially if there's a hammerer or something like it.) Corrik usually is a wild card, but I smell a rat.
ctes - I only have my initial bad vibe to go off of, which isn't much. Still.
Death - Alive past Day 0 obvscum. But really, gotta reread their things.
IGCD - Kudos.
Isquen - Handsome.
Han - Hansome
HB - Sweet boy points expired, please try again.
Lea - Good vibes halted because of agreeing to Corrik's random plan, and further thrown into disarray by questioning people and providing nothing in return.
Lopen - Red flag on the horizon that I must be vague about. I'm voting them for my own reasons.
Obelisk - I want him to live just to spite Ulti for giggles, even if both are town.
red13n - Hides and pokes bears for a living, but does this both as town and scum, so I dunno.
Sultan - The aforementioned sense of being here before, during Souls Mafia. Also the immediate piggyback on a vote.
Ulti - Good vibes, again, but also a similar chaos elemental as Corrik day 1. None or little of the usual self-importance bravado I'm accustomed to, I'll note.

I find it weird that these are your thoughts on page 8 when on page 2 you apparently had bad vibes from half the game. I still don't like how defensive you got when I simply asked to your thought process about a post that you say was intended to spark discussion where I was the one respondent you had, at least at that point. I also don't like that you seem to constantly have thoughts of people you will not share and there's a lack of consistency in your posts. I mean, if the thoughts are "good vibes", "bad vibes", then yeah, that's not much, but you gave that for a select for people a few times before this post with thoughts of everyone.

I think besides inconsistency, the main point here is that I'm failing to see the protown moves in working this way of withholding thoughts about scum suspects. Even if the above post was meant to be that, it still sounds like you're withholding reasons for voting Lopen, which would be more valuable information than half what you're telling in the post.

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masterplum
07/27/22 11:06:42 AM
#449:


Obellisk posted...
thats 1 person though.

That is what I was responding to when I said can we not kill corrik

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ctesjbuvf posted...
I read half of topic 1 there, so if it starts being less similar for there then that's great, but I said I hadn't read further. I also noted that Star Wars and Pokmon mafia weren't that different, noting there wasn't that strong a case.

I read topic 1 and half of topic 2.

I think you start to see him be more praise happy later in topic 1.

Again I'm not saying there aren't some vague similarities but you can find vague similarities to any pair of games. I do think my library of town Sultan games is pretty decent at this point so I was mostly looking for stuff that looked out of place there vs his whole library of games.

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