Board 8 > Eff 2021 Mafia - Topic 6: Officially Banned From Twitter

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This is the third or fourth time you've cited you had a hangover

We get it. You're clearly well enough to type and play though. If you're town please actually give a shit and try, or you could at the very least not waste people's time by making up walls of nothing

But the constant appeals to emotion really keep sliding you farther and farther into the scum pool and keeps reinforcing wanting to lynch you today

Uh

Not having anything about me is bizarre

do... I.... defend myself against being called too defensive?

Bct putting me in a tough spot here.

>_>

Okay I want 3 things from everyone

1. Why should we not kill plum
2. Why should we kill scare.
3. Why should we kill BCT

reasoning aside which we all know isn't there let's reorganize BCT's list into

Town
BCT/Suprak
JC
Ctes
Han
Mzero
Sultan
Suprak
Sultan
TotallyMI

Good player
Corrik

???
chang
Lea

Mixed / Lean Scum
SBell
Ben
Death
plum

Scum
Scare

both of his votes are on Ben, though. with plum.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Okay I want 3 things from everyone

1. Why should we not kill plum
2. Why should we kill scare.
3. Why should we kill BCT

if plum is town he'll eventually going bat shit crazy come up with a glorious unlikely scenario and then chase town into a mislynch.
if plum is scum he'll be dastardly and devious and make us still believe a ridiculous setup and get us to mislynch town.
kill plum? win/win

Scare took a day vig shot and killed town EARLY. then got Vig countered (confirmed) and since then has sorta just floated around. I personally haven't seen scummy behavior but I'd certainly expect a serious followup to his shot by heavily scum hunting. 50/50

BCT probably not scum. Maybe I'm the crazy one for thinking it makes sense as an additional Independent. his greatest defense right now is that his scum team wouldn't let him be this bad with his power.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Okay I want 3 things from everyone

1. Why should we not kill plum
2. Why should we kill scare.
3. Why should we kill BCT

okay sultan i see you. let's play some ball here

1. he's being a little wacky but he's actually attempting to put in real effort which is usually better than what you get from scum plum. also he hasn't claimed something stupid like gladiator as a last ditch effort. as scum he's usually more desperate to survive where as town he would go down with the ship if it meant sticking to his principles and not revealing stuff he felt would be a bad idea to show.
2. unlikely to be two dayvigs as they would just shoot each other. reasoning for shooting still doesn't make any sense. has sort of just been milling around going after some stray posts off BCT and the like.
3. only reason to kill BCT now and not Scare or Ben is if you earnestly believe that the scum team has a bunch of abilities that interact with the puppet. also it's a pretty swingy lynch if he's actually town. -2 town votes in one fell swoop. i'd rather not take my chances on that today

I will answer, but the way you ask these questions it just feels like your mind is already made up and you just want others to agree with you.
I dont even fully agree with any of the things you ask. (well killing Scare I have less doubts about, but still some)
So these answers are more me reasoning in case one choice has to be made.

1. Plum has that 'almost too random for scum' thing going on.
2. Scare's logic for shooting when he did was questionable.
3. BCT sounds forced here and there.

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if anyone needs a refutation of this, check out ben self-destruct last game after mixing up a bus driver and a redirector lmao

or uh me solo losing the game at the end ^_^

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Okay I want 3 things from everyone

1. Why should we not kill plum
2. Why should we kill scare.
3. Why should we kill BCT

I would still be okay killing Plum, but he's not my first choice. If he's scum I feel like he's putting on a show to distract the game from the other lynch options and cause some confusion. Scum plum is weird and town plum is stubborn so.

Scare is probably still my #1 lynch choice. I have a tell for town Scare that he didn't trigger that still was active in games I was observing earlier this year so I don't think it's a matter of it's been years or Scare is busy now.

BCT has come off as scum almost exclusively by his play. The thing giving me pause is his role. If I lynch him today it would be because I believe the theory that suprak is an extra scum member that isn't actually linked to BCT and lynching him would be the way to confirm this.

To elaborate on my Scare tell, and this almost is without fail. Town Scare goes after the Chris of the game D1. He just does. He invents a reason to butt heads with them and hypes himself up with "What if I lynch scum (whoever) day 1?". When he's scum, he avoids those players and any conflict.

Scare didn't push anyone d1. This is a scum Scare tell.

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I know! A part of me really really wants to believe it and push for it. But after being wrong on Isquen I think I'm more hesitant to go all in on my conspiracy theories.

Plum posting he doesn't play to win alone is sketchy as fuck. I'd have no problem lynching him
I don't think I need to argue for myself
BCT hasn't actually done anything pro-town. He has been very emotional, called everyone scum in counter to him, and seems to always have an excuse. His control of the Suprak account feels very inconsistent with me. I think getting BCT is a two for one

Awesome think you everyone who has played

Btw I looked over Lea's posts of day1. (If only to see what the heck Plum is talking about)
Before that she was more kidding around then taking things seriously, but she seemed to do that less closer to the end.
She was also part of the Ben=scum chorus at first, but she at least seemed to not believe that anymore by the time Ben claimed to be fireproof.

The one thing I am not a fan of is this post, because it looks like an overly explained post to switch gears.

As much as I don't trust Ben, who is going out of his way to being sketchy by not claiming his flavour or role or explaining his decision making, I admit there's few timelines I can scry where any of this makes Isquen town.

Then again I cant say it makes Lea bad until I know what Ben is.
Overall I can sorta see what Plum meant with Lea being to cheerful. But I disagree with her being directionless.

Trying to get the bigger picture. The people that are giving me most town vibes are Sultan, JC and MZero. Sultan is basically self-explanatory at this point and the only one I feel confident about. JC feels open to discussion and consideration and his thought process is clear. MZero is way more in his town game than scum game, he's trying way more and I've seen him idle as scum like several time in a row while managing to die last with lol. I'm more hesitant to clear Han and Corrik, who I also think look good because I've only seen them being strong town leaders and I don't think either has been allowed to live long in any of those games.

There is definitely scum in the people on the Isquen train, likely several. Plum looks the worst there. Or well, maybe Ben does because he basically got the ball rolling under a false premise. Could be both. Probably the two I'm most likely to vote for.

There gotta be scum in the people that are sorta slipping under the radar. I have a hard time forming much of an opinion of Lea. I'm a little wary because I think in recent games she's taken more control of the play than she's doing now and leading the lynch trains more. That was in games with both people like Han and Corrik on the townside with her, among others. She easily wins the award of funniest player, but other than that. There are obviously also more people going under the radar that I should look at.

ScareChan posted...

Plum posting he doesn't play to win alone is sketchy as fuck. I'd have no problem lynching him
I don't think I need to argue for myself
BCT hasn't actually done anything pro-town. He has been very emotional, called everyone scum in counter to him, and seems to always have an excuse. His control of the Suprak account feels very inconsistent with me. I think getting BCT is a two for one

Of all the reasons to want to lynch me I think this is the absolute worst

1. Why should we not kill plum
The things he has going for him is that while he looked bad yesterday, he had just replaced in with like 3 full topics to try to read and form an opinion on. Also I doubt plum fakes forgetting Isquen... though that makes no sense regardless of allignment.

2. Why should we kill scare.
It's mostly role meta. I think Scare has looked like he's trying more day 2 than day 1 where all I could recall of him was the kill in itself, which obviously also was a show stealer. Another point is that it gives a decent amount of information to know his alignment for certain. It's possible Scare was the one the lynch was being diverted away from yesterday.

3. Why should we kill BCT
He has not played the Suprak account ideally. Might be to try to make him seem too much like himself. Saying he had learned and then doing with MZero exactly what he did with Sultan wasn't great. Then he stopped suprisingly arupt when called out. But hopefully that was because he actually listened.

With that answered I do not think we should do 2 or 3.

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Wow

masterplum posted...

Of all the reasons to want to lynch me I think this is the absolute worst

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I don't care for people who don't respect the game.

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Phew

Fastbreak posted...

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I don't care for people who don't respect the game.

So you are saying.

You arent playing to win by lynching me?

masterplum posted...

So you are saying.

You arent playing to win by lynching me?

I'm saying I'm not opposed to addition by subtraction. Sometimes you take a finger to save the hand

Regardless I'm not focused on you at the moment

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What was this in response to?

Ftr, any talk about "playing to win" is what is driving me crazy.

Lea posted...

Uh oh, this mafia game is about to collapse into paradox oblivion.

My head is about to collapse as well from trying to understand what they are even saying.

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It's a wormhole
It's a Mbius strip
It's snake eats tail
It's the infinity sign
Get a tattoo of the infinity sign
On your lower back

TotallyNotMI posted...

To elaborate on my Scare tell, and this almost is without fail. Town Scare goes after the Chris of the game D1. He just does. He invents a reason to butt heads with them and hypes himself up with "What if I lynch scum (whoever) day 1?". When he's scum, he avoids those players and any conflict.

Scare didn't push anyone d1. This is a scum Scare tell.

He might be scum but that scumtell isn't correct. He usually outright follows people like a puppy dog blatantly.

TotallyNotMI posted...

To elaborate on my Scare tell, and this almost is without fail. Town Scare goes after the Chris of the game D1. He just does. He invents a reason to butt heads with them and hypes himself up with "What if I lynch scum (whoever) day 1?". When he's scum, he avoids those players and any conflict.

Scare didn't push anyone d1. This is a scum Scare tell.

I respect a lot of the players in this game highly. But a game with Chris is an entirely different game. There's no 'Chris' here that I would feel worried about, I think in time I can find pretty much everyone here. And for the most part I have.

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Ah yeah, I agree it should not be used about BCT, even as someone who had similar thoughts at first. Actually, while we're at BCT, I'll add to he question asked before is that the biggest reason to kill BCT is that I fully believe saying he didn't know for what 20 hours or whatever that he was in fact not modkilled was a lie. I'm not convinced BCT doesn't make the lie as town but he should not, and he should know that he should not.

Where's Justin?

Checked MI's posts next.
He told us he had stuff to do with the family, though I almost couldn't tell since he still posted a fair bit today and yesterday. So I like that part.
But I do have a question for him.... and for Plum and JC as well
If you thought Ben was scum, what made you think that Isquen could still be what Ben claimed he was?

friends here is a list

1) Ben - I have previously mentioned that I think he's been playing more town today and fits with my Scare scum thoughts. But I can see the scenario where he's scum, I just think the Scare scum scenario is more likely.
2) BlueCrystalTear - Previously mentioned town
3) Chaeix - american horror story: cult (2017) - town cult member
4) changmas - town but not jazzed about the rb debacle
5) Corrik - i think town at this point. i'll be honest i don't quite follow the jc-plum-ben scum theory because i'm very okay with pressure on plum still and have said as much. but i feel like he's trying to create a working theory of the game with contingencies if he's wrong. that being said, any interpretation that has me as scum is wrong but obviously he can't just agree with me on that :( btw corrik, make sure to add lea to your list of people who thought ben was scum and eventually voted isquen. admittedly later than my declaration of being okay with voting isquen (i think) but yeah
6) ctesjbuvf - discussion with han about d1 and seems like he has been trying to genuinely contribute when he's here
7) Death - slight town lean. i like the way that he was questioning plum earlier and he has been much more forthcoming with opinions d2.
8) HanOfTheNekos - leaning town but my gut is giving me hesitation. overall he has been direct with his opinions and good at questioning. genuine scumhunting and pressuring of others to scumhunt. share some of that pressure with sbell :)
9) Lea - Lea has somehow been more under the radar than I have (i guess up until corrik's biography). Lea felt like a far more aggressive scumhunter the last game I played with her, when she was scum. I'm not sure what this means or if it's a good thing. I haven't really seen anything overtly scummy but I'm also not seeing the working things through that she was trying to fake last time. Could go either way.
10) masterplum (replaced MysteriousStan) - leaning scum. my limited memory of plum in mafia is that he's generally not this disorganized in his thinking. i also wouldn't put it past him to ham up the so scummy he can't be scum thing if that's a known phenomenon and the way people talk about him, i get the impression it is?
11) MZero - Honestly the thing that worries me the most about MZero is that he publicly stated that he was self aware of the fact that scum MZero doesn't have any fire. So it kind of takes away part of my ability to read into him actually putting pressure on not one, but two (two!) people today. In the 'maybe' camp because I can't eliminate the risk of a self aware scum MZero.
12) SBell - I still think SBell is scum. He had some better content today but I think it's funny that I go after him for not offering opinions on anyone, then he's like 'you picked my name out of a hat' and then proceeds to offer opinions on people. responding to my pressure and pretending it's arbitrary pressure at the same time is lol.
13) ScareChan - I think scum at this point. Offered my opinion previously and he hasn't said or done anything to really change that.
14) Suprak_the_Stud - n/a
15) TheSultanOfSlam - town. i feel like he's playing earnestly.
16) TotallyNotMI - not sure about MI yet. I get the impression he's a competent player in general and I don't know what a town or scum MI game looks like. need more information. he did feel a little 'wherever the wind blows' d1 which is ???

hm, gonna have to start doubting some people soon. and obviously re-evaluate depending on the flip. i'll leave my vote on sbell for now because i think he deserves more pressure still, but prepared to lynch scare.

Is everyone gonna do this now?