Board 8 > Eff 2021 Mafia - Topic 6: Officially Banned From Twitter

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htaeD posted...

Not even when you voted for them?

I remember names of players that have existed forever. I would have remembered if we killed Death.

But I just remembered we lynched "that one guy who also was a day vig"

I find that hard to believe, but I wouldn't know how to disprove that.

Also that makes me feel old.

Plum, you are aware that you just threw away your shovel, stuffed some dynamite in the ground, waited for it to blow and then hopped into a rather expansive hole that you just made for yourself?

Wtf is Plum even doing amd I thought my saying Red was killed by scum was bad lol

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Plum, you are aware that you just threw away your shovel, stuffed some dynamite in the ground, waited for it to blow and then hopped into a rather expansive hole that you just made for yourself?

Continue

Plum you are confusing me more than anything.

htaeD posted...

Plum you are confusing me more than anything.

This is why Corrik is scum by the way

We have similar thought processes as town which seem nonsensical at times

https://images.app.goo.gl/AMP5BtSkYH5DPb9k6

##Shot:Plum

Just kidding not a 3rd vig lol

masterplum posted...

Continue

Since hyperbole is hard for you, let me restate:
You dug yourself a hole.

You have admitted that you didn't bother considering the lynch options day 1.
You have admitted that you don't have any logic and thought applied to this game.
You have admitted that you haven't actually tried to find Scum in the game.

Literally all you've given us so far is an anecdotal reason to think Corrik is Scum, because, and this is what you've said almost exactly:

"Corrik is too smart to be playing like this. Normally, him and I think the same, therefore, he should be thinking more nonsensically."

Considering Corrik once name called almost a whole scumteam by himself day1, I dont think he is as nonsensical as he used to be at that.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

You have admitted that you didn't bother considering the lynch options day 1.

This is not true.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

You have admitted that you don't have any logic and thought applied to this game.

This is also not true

HanOfTheNekos posted...

You have admitted that you haven't actually tried to find Scum in the game.

This is again not true

Han, what is your goal here. Are you trying to kill me, or are you wasting posts that everyone has to wade through to find scum

Plum rn:

"If Corrik was Town, then he would think that he himself is Scum along with the person he says is Scum. If Corrik were Town, then he'd agree with my thought processes, of which I've provided zero in this game so far, excepting accusing Corrik of being Scum. If Corrik were Town, he would have voted to lynch someone he clearly didn't bother to analyze instead of his number one Scumread."

masterplum posted...

This is not true.

This is also not true

This is again not true

Han, what is your goal here. Are you trying to kill me, or are you wasting posts that everyone has to wade through to find scum

Bruh, you "thought" Scare was Scum, clearly based on no fact given you lacked basic knowledge about his whole situation, and that a quick cursory reread completely erased that thought process.

You clearly didn't understand who you were voting to lynch yesterday, given you can't even remember who it was.

Literally the only things you have said is "Corrik should be playing smarter" and "Corrik should be more nonsensical".

You are doing a very poor job explaining on how those posts, even if they were true, make me scum

plum is pushing too scummy to be scum territory here

You're sitting on the sidelines just adding nothing to the topic with little interjections to other players. When you finally get some heat, you put it into solving the big question of "Did Scare imply he wanted to shoot Lopen before shooting him", which is completely ridiculous to ask if you think the guy is Scum.

I will endeavour not to be so aggressive here as I point this out, but why didn't you just admit that you skimmed and didn't really have much to your suspicions aside from gut? And can we expect you to do due diligence in pursuing your suspicions? You should realize by now that a Corrik train has zero steam. You should also be presenting some sort of explanation for why Corrik and the guy he wants to lynch to Hell and back are both Scum.

In other words, you've fumbled this morning so far. You look bad right now. If you're Town, convince us otherwise.

Plum writes isquens name out a lot of times yesterday to just forget it

Looking at the end of yesterday, plum also look worse if Ben is scum. BCT and JC maybe does too. Not sure about what to make of Death's vote, he's the first there at the time, but I don't like the post. I think Plum looks best if neither Scare nor Ben are scum.

Oh, Sultan also looks horrible if Ben is scum.

masterplum posted...

You are doing a very poor job explaining on how those posts, even if they were true, make me scum

You are doing a very poor job explaining how anybody is Scum

Maybe I can ask something different then because I am checking the timeline of your entrance up to the Isquen lynch.

Seeing aside the fact that you seemed to misread Isquens claim while you were catching up and accusing him of not killing Scare yet.
What made you go from 'Bens claim means he is scum and I want Isquen to prove himself by shooting Scare' to 'Okay lets lynch Isquen even though I think Ben is still an opportunistic scum'?

You already were called out for your distancing from Scare, but this I dont recall as being addressed.

Meanwhile looking back the list of scum you made was at least 75 % built up towards. With minimal reasoning, but you still did mention Corrik/Scare and Ben beforehand.

No clue why Lea was on that list tho.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

You're sitting on the sidelines just adding nothing to the topic with little interjections to other players. When you finally get some heat, you put it into solving the big question of "Did Scare imply he wanted to shoot Lopen before shooting him", which is completely ridiculous to ask if you think the guy is Scum.

Except maybe the guy isn't scum!

You fail to comprehend the idea that the reason I play isn't for anyone else. Honestly I don't care if town wins. There are no stakes, I control very little of the outcome. Nothing I can possibly do can offset a potential town scare shooting a good town player 8 hours in for no reason whatsoever

So the fun part is figuring it out myself. So based on the evidence it seemed scare was scum, but on reflection it seems like it could be a town scare who just did things. My estimation of scare being scum went from around 40% back to around 20% which is probabilistically where everyone is without evidence to the contrary.

But saying that scare is 40% likely to be scum isn't very exciting now is it

htaeD posted...

'Bens claim means he is scum and I want Isquen to prove himself by shooting Scare' to 'Okay lets lynch Isquen even though I think Ben is still an opportunistic scum'?

I literally gave a 4 bullet point list of why I voted isquen

I dont know if I heard this 'I dont play for the team' aspect of you before, Plum.
But I dont like it.

masterplum posted...

Honestly I don't care if town wins.

oh

htaeD posted...

I dont know if I heard this 'I dont play for the team' aspect of you before, Plum.
But I dont like it.

Why do you play mafia

Plum, my point is that you thought Scare was 40% Scum, not based on reading his posts.

Scare shot Lopen. That's the biggest thing to happen D1. And yet you had the guy on your Scumlist without looking at the context around the shot.

That's my point.

Plum but yet you're not gunning for scare is still concerning. You yourself without hesitation said while voting isquen (if he is town kill Scare..)

But you have been avoiding scare all day...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Plum, my point is that you thought Scare was 40% Scum, not based on reading his posts.

Scare shot Lopen. That's the biggest thing to happen D1. And yet you had the guy on your Scumlist without looking at the context around the shot.

That's my point.

Correct. I had him at 40% based on the fact that shooting as a day vig 8 hours into the game is a fucking terrible play

masterplum posted...

Is this a serious argument?

My one vote on Corrik would have done nothing

Your one vote on Ben would have who you said was scum.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Plum but yet you're not gunning for scare is still concerning. You yourself without hesitation said while voting isquen (if he is town kill Scare..)

But you have been avoiding scare all day...

Because I had ben at 60%

You don't get to lynch multiple people in the same day

htaeD posted...

Seeing aside the fact that you seemed to misread Isquens claim while you were catching up and accusing him of not killing Scare yet.

Can you direct me to this, Death?

Corrik7 posted...

Your one vote on Ben would have who you said was scum.

Ben wasn't as likely to be scum until after an arsonist flip

I thought there was a decent chance Ben was just making shit up still before the flip

masterplum posted...

Correct. I had him at 40% based on the fact that shooting as a day vig 8 hours into the game is a fucking terrible play

I would have shot you an hour into Nickelodeon Mafia if I had a day shot then.

You wouldn't have been calling it a fucking terrible play then!

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I would have shot you an hour into Nickelodeon Mafia if I had a day shot then.

You wouldn't have been calling it a fucking terrible play then!

I would! If I roll a d20 and shoot scum with it an hour into the game its a terrible play!

That wasn't a d20 though, it was a good read.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

That wasn't a d20 though, it was a good read.

Its still a terrible play. Just like making a good read and shooting town day 3 could be a good play, shooting less than 24 hours into day 1 is always a terrible play. Doesn't matter if you shoot the scum assassin

"That's a bad shot" - Plum George

I saw that (it was 3 bullets actually, but details), but you mentioned wanting to lynch Isquen even before that post. Allthough now that I look closer I see that you were using Corriks pursuit of Ben as a reason to trust Ben more?

But then on day2 you put Ben and Corrik in the same team anyway?

Anyway, I'm not here to talk about the virtues of using a day shot on day 1 (always and without regret). I have had the thought that Scare not even demanding a claim or anything was more Scummy, but his explanation covers that.

What I want you to do, Plum, is explain your read on Lea.

I want you to explain why both Corrik and Ben are Scum together.

I want you to find additional reads and display them.

masterplum posted...

Because I had ben at 60%

You don't get to lynch multiple people in the same day

Okay I dont absolutely hate this answer

masterplum posted...

Why do you play mafia

To win and help my team win?

There was a 4th bullet in a post a few down.

Again, Ben and isquens flip is massive evidence. The actions of corrik have dramatically different meaning once you know isquen is town. If Isquen is scum then suddenly Ben looks better.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Can you direct me to this, Death?

Mind this is after he quoted the claim entirely

masterplum posted...

Honestly I am not sure what is scummier,

Shooting as Vig D1

OR

Being town vig and not shooting the claimed town vig who shot D1

(also for some reason the quotefunction ate half of this post the first time I tried it)

Plum, I also want to know why you haven't called me Scum.

Lynching Ben is probably still the best option.

Though I do have a few players that I have very few notes on I'd like to try and ISO if time allows it.

masterplum posted...

There was a 4th bullet in a post a few down.

Again, Ben and isquens flip is massive evidence. The actions of corrik have dramatically different meaning once you know isquen is town. If Isquen is scum then suddenly Ben looks better.

Okay that's at least a logic chain I can follow. (The second one. The 4th bullet is just using Han as a prop. Not unexpected given your limited time, but its also an easy bullet for scum to claim)

It comes across to me as if Plum was ready to vote Isquen the moment the choice came up.

Plum, claim.