Board 8 > Eff 2021 Mafia - Topic 6: Officially Banned From Twitter

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

What I want you to do, Plum, is explain your read on Lea.

It was gut more than anything else. It felt like Lea was being purposefully cheerful without trying to steer a lynch in any particular direction.

It felt fake

##unvote:
##vote: Plum

claim or die.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Plum, I also want to know why you haven't called me Scum.

I thought you had great reads D1 and haven't found your perusal of me particularly scummy. You had a chance to really disregard me after the isquen nonsense and it doesn't feel like you have abandoned reason in order to try to force a lynch.

You are still firmly in the "Could go either way" category

##unvote
##vote: Plum

I lend you my sword Corrik

If you thought my read on JC was great, why aren't you encouraging me to keep up with it? Why do you not share any of my great reads?

Why would you call my reads great if you don't seem to agree with them?

People massively over claim. Bugs me every time.

I will say that I don't have any info to claim at this point.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

If you thought my read on JC was great, why aren't you encouraging me to keep up with it? Why do you not share any of my great reads?

Why would you call my reads great if you don't seem to agree with them?

I made a post day 1 at some point saying I liked your thought process. Its there somewhere

I'm not going to try to find it

And also I have cooled on you a bit day 2

masterplum posted...

People massively over claim. Bugs me every time.

I will say that I don't have any info to claim at this point.

Guess your flip will have info to claim at this time. Then.

MZero posted...

##unvote
##vote: Plum

I lend you my sword Corrik

This is a pretty bad vote btw

masterplum posted...

This is a pretty bad vote btw

why

MZero posted...

why

What are you trying to accomplish with it

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You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink

masterplum posted...

What are you trying to accomplish with it

I'm trying to get town a win

MZero posted...

I'm trying to get town a win

By doing what

I know you have time zone issues so I'm not going to let you leave the vote on me in that ambiguous way and then after I flip town you shrug and say it was to get me to claim.

Do you think I am more scummy than every other player and thus want to lynch me

I sure am missing... something.

Is plum going for so scummy he can't be scum?
Is he distracting from one of Scare/Ben/BCT?

Hm hm hm

masterplum posted...

I know you have time zone issues so I'm not going to let you leave the vote on me in that ambiguous way and then after I flip town you shrug and say it was to get me to claim.

Do you think I am more scummy than every other player and thus want to lynch me

Day ends at noon my time so I'll be around

and no I think BCT is scummiest but I've been sitting on that for a day and a half with no traction. It should be pretty obvious I was joining Corrik in his quest to make you claim

and I'm still not satisfied with your explanation for how 2 day vigs is impossible but 2 day vigs + arsonist is a-ok

MZero posted...

should be pretty obvious I was joining Corrik in his quest to make you claim

I will not claim any more.

Adjust your reasoning accordingly

How long has it been since BCT was here?

masterplum posted...

I will not claim any more.

Adjust your reasoning accordingly

well your other option was die so my votes stays

TotallyNotMI posted...

How long has it been since BCT was here?

Basically most of the day said he was at the dentist. Came back for like 3 post then left again

MZero posted...

well your other option was die so my votes stays

Your reasoning is dually noted

masterplum posted...

Your reasoning is dually noted

I hope you noted better than you noted who was lynched

Okay so.

Day 1 re-read summaries.

When Han enters the game, he suffocated the room with trying to take over the room. Was he going too hard after a Lopen town flip to try and counter? Possibly. If Ben is town, Han probably isn't scum. If Ben is scum, it does make this likelier but not overwhelming.

JC. This is someone I didn't realize was so high in votals and how much he played a part of down the stretch. It doesn't really make sense he wouldn't vote Ben. He repeatedly calls Ben scum, but he votes isquen. He does say he thinks isquen could be 3p. That said, for stretches, it was a Ben vs JC lynch until Ben starts his myriad of fake claims. Thus, why was JC refusing to vote Ben who he viewed as scum. This is another scenario where if Ben is Town, JC probably isn't scum. Ben and JC could be scum together though, and perhaps even likely with Ben throwing everything to Isquen to avoid the scum scum trains. I need to look at those people on the votes when it was tied up again. The timing of JCs vote doesn't matter if Ben is town because Ben claimed a non-acting role and Isquen was a role that could shoot scum. Which will tie into Scare later.

Plum. Plums day 1 is atrocious. He like JC says Ben is scum and then votes Isquen. He says now he would have voted me if his vote could have made a difference, but his vote could have made a difference on Ben. His reasoning for voting Isquen is because I was voting for Ben, which is terrible reasoning. He now says if Ben is scum, I am certainly Scum. And if Ben is town I am probably town. This is a complete and absolute flip from what he said yesterday for his reasoning to vote Isquen. This is again someone who if Ben is scum is likelier scum. If Ben is town, this does nothing for Plums alignment due to the fact that he absolutely made reads that didn't make sense and I believe his vote itself came after Beb finally settled on Fireproof which is a non acting role that Scum didn't need to fear and Isquen was a town vig which could shoot scum. This will tie into scare later.

BCT is town on one account and either town or survivor indy on the other account. His posts are illogical and all over the place, but ultimately it doesn't matter past his alignment. Death and BCT can't scum together but since BCT is town it doesn't matter.

Sbell. Sbell has not done much noteworthy, but the one thing that glared out to me is that Sbell can't be on the same scum team as Scare. Sbell has not made much in reads though and has been frankly relatively useless so far. If Scare would be town, Sbell needs to be looked at.

Ctes. Is this dude even in the game? He is here in spurts it seems. He does make a few reads here and there. He asks a lot of questions, though usually with zero follow through. He did prod MI a little bit but there isn't much pressure being exerted on anyone by Ctes. I believe if I remember correctly that both him and Sbell view Scare as likely town. Which is interesting.

Mzero. Just trust me he is town. If Ben is scum, this possibly could slightly make him seem scummer to a read by others who don't have him pegged as town. It's a throwaway vote at the end when the other person was -1 to look good not being on the train and Ben flipping scum to make mzero look better. But, it doesn't matter. Mzero is town.

Sultan. Town Vanilla. Not debatable. His hammer on Isquen literally doesn't matter.

Death. Death seems like he is just being nice and jokey and very rarely doing much of note. He did question why Lopen would be shot and not Han if a scum vig. He missed the end of the day due to timezones I suppose so I can't knock him on that too much, though scum Death does hide behind timezones. But, death feels lacking.

MI. MI has a lot of posts with reads in a good town flow, but they start to come fewer and farther between as day 1 goes on. He has votes and unvotes without much explanation. If Ben is town and JC is scum, maybe this means something as far as MI being scum. I would have to rego over again what exactly got MI onto JC in the first place. MI I felt looked okay day 1. MI said this worried him that so many said he was absolute town day 1, which feels good as a town thought, I suppose. Though I also didn't say that and he lumped me in with that group.

Lea and me have been on the same wavelength across this game. I'd say she is blending in very well if scum to the point she is almost my mimic. I don't have any problem with leas play and I like a lot of her posts. That said, MI and Lea are dangerous scum players that when caught as usually for their claims. So keep an eye on them and if scum falls behind, their claims.

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Which I guess tracks if you sign up to not play mafia and win and instead sign up to ???

I want everyone to look at that corrik wall and ask themselves one question

"Why did Corrik write this?"

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Only if you want to win tho

masterplum posted... Bct saying two town vigs were impossible made me roll my eyes hard. This game already has shown itself to be off the wall. I am leaning scare scum but there are a lot of big question marks with that. It is based almost purely on role meta and with an arsonist that is a dangerous place to be, Scare is currently 3rd or so on my scum list but that is still in the murky area.

Topic 5 page 2 - plum says leaning scum on Scare based "almost purely on role meta"

masterplum posted... The biggest knock on scare is town shooting then is completely nonsensical

But then again we just killed town for playing town day vig completely nonsensically

Topic 5 page 3 - plum says biggest knock on Scare is "town shooting there is completely nonsensical"... literally one page later the reasoning is completely different

also he says this apparently not knowing what actually led up to the shot as shown in this topic

Hey Plum, Isquen got lynched yesterday in large part because he decided to be smarmy and have an attitude. You are being a little smarmy here.

If you want to play to win (which is a rule, so if you're not doing that, you should be modkilled), then it would behoove you to work together with other players. You're being more vindictive and standoffish at the moment.

You have had requests made of you that you haven't been answered. You are not being cooperative. I should also remind you, a dead player cannot solve the game. They can die and let others take the glory, but once you're dead, you're done.

Additionally, no person is an island, it takes a village, etc...

I'll analyze that Corrik post at lunch. But you really would do well to try harder. As I said - you dug yourself a hole. With dynamite. I hope that's evident now that votes are falling on you.

Scare. His shot and it not being the stop and BCts reasoning for the stop requires impeccable timing from Suprak. It requires seeing the post within 1-2 seconds of being made and absolutely impeccable blazing speed to format and get the message out as well as hitting the post. It could have been related to Lea, but Lea is mentioned nowhere in the stop.

The message does say and Oh by the way Lopen died. This possibly does line up with scum. Scare I suppose, though I didn't see it but apparently Ben and Han did, indirectly claim the shot immediately, but it isn't until later on that Scare actually does. I don't know that this means anything.

What it boils down to with Scare is the following.

1. If he is lying about his reasoning for shooting, he isn't town. Aka if he didn't shoot during the stop and was the cause of the stop, he isn't town.

2. Isquen flipping town makes it likelier Scare is Scum. It doesn't make it surefire, but it does make it likelier.

3. If Scare is Scum, the best outcome is Isquen dies day 1. This would force town to have to lynch Scare the following day instead of shoot him. The things regarding scum could just stop the painting of the shot at night are very circumstantial. Scum doesn't know what town has and Isquen would have been a high value target to save or watch or so on, if competent town has roles. The worst outcome is that another scum is lynched day 1 and Scare gets killed by Isquen.

4. This is where everything starts to lynchpin. JC and Plum both said Ben was scum but voted for Isquen. Now, the thought process is that Ben tried to divert off Scare to the person he needed to get rid of to buy Scare a way from death.

That's the Ben-Scare scum theory.

However, this kind of avoids the fact that I didn't realize JC was in a 5 vote lead at the time and not noticing the people saying Ben is scum but voting opposite.

Scum is what 5 or 6 this game. Does scum stick their neck out to ensure the isquen lynch with a JC-Plum-Scare scum team to ensure isquen dies and Scare doesn't get shot.

This is not something I immediately saw but with Plums now contradictory reasoning and generally poor play and seeing the JC vote totals, possibly.

That said, this reasoning also could be another way. With a JC-Plum-Ben scum team. JC and Ben were the trains and if this is scum-scum what is better to do than to your perhaps weakest scum role (let's assume Ben is scum fireproof) to make a distraction.

There is a problem with this theory. Why would the scum team want Isquen to die here? Why not just let him kill Scare if he is town? This nets them another dead town. The only actual thinking here that would make this make sense is if they actually thought isquen was a 3rd party arsonist, I suppose.

My vote today will be one of JC Plum Scare and Ben today. And I think JC and Plum should both claim to try and sort this now if possible.

TotallyNotMI posted...

How long has it been since BCT was here?

Hi. I'll be getting caught up in a little bit.

Dentist didn't go well. Had more going on. Survivor finale. Hangover this morning.

I don't have any other days that will be as wild as yesterday until Christmas Eve.

Many apologies!

Hey BCT, while youre catching up:

Can you tell me some players who you would fight to make sure are not lynched? People you feel are likely town that much?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

You have had requests made of you that you haven't been answered.

I don't think that is true

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So is your answer, corrik was trying to be helpful? Is that actually what Corrik is trying to achieve? Does Corrik feel like a generally helpful player?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hey BCT, while youre catching up:

Can you tell me some players who you would fight to make sure are not lynched? People you feel are likely town that much?

Confirming I have seen this & I'll keep that in mind while reading this topic, will share my notes after I finish up...

[5] chaeix - Han, Lea, Scare, MI, Suprak
[2] BCT - MZero, (Lea), SBell
[2] Lea - BCT, Sultan
[2] Ben- ctes, (MI), (Sultan), chaeix
[1] Scare - Isquen

JC 4 Han, Lea, Scare, Suprak
Ben 4 MI, Death, Ctes, JC

undefined posted... VOTALS 4 U:
[3] Ben- ctes, (MI), (Sultan), chaeix, (Death), MI
[3] chaeix - Han, Lea, Scare, (MI), (Suprak)
[2] BCT - MZero, (Lea), SBell
[2] chang - Corrik, red
[1] Lea - BCT, (Sultan), Suprak
[1] Scare - Isquen

undefined posted... One Of Us Is VOTALS:
[5] Isquen - (Han), Death, changmas, Ben, MI, Han
[4] Ben- ctes, (MI), (Sultan), (chaeix), (Death), (MI), Corrik, Lea, (Sultan), Sultan
[2] BCT - MZero, (Lea), SBell
[1] chaeix - (Han), (Lea), Scare, (MI), (Suprak)

Need more flips.

JC when did you vote Ben? It's on there before this all starts. Then you unvote to let isquen take the lead.

masterplum posted...

So is your answer, corrik was trying to be helpful? Is that actually what Corrik is trying to achieve? Does Corrik feel like a generally helpful player?

Socrates, you are not.

Corrik posted an analysis of all players in the game. It was summaries on everyone. He highlighted what he thought were important things to consider for each player.

He did this because it both organizes his thoughts and shares them, letting other players note where he stands, and see where they agree or disagree. It invites discussion, development, and this thing we want to do called "solving the game".

You are asking useless questions, Plum. If you have something worth saying, say it. You cannot play the game by only asking questions that seem like they have no point.

MZero posted...

Somehow JC always feels inactive and then you ISO him an realize he's actually been pretty involved. It's uncanny

A ben flip would be an absolute gold mine of info. I'm onboard a ben lynch if yinz don't join me on BCT

I hope your gold mine of info includes that I heavily town-read BCT as town and you need to lay off

Those Corrikwalls... I guess this is what it feels like to others whenever I post mine.

So is your answer, corrik was trying to be helpful? Is that actually what Corrik is trying to achieve? Does Corrik feel like a generally helpful player?

I am not sure now if you consider Corrik helpful as town, as scum, or never helpful at all.

But either way I dont know what you gain from this or from the whole 'claiming but nor really' act.

Here's a thought about BCT. Similar to my reasoning for why Scare is confirmed town.

If Suprak is double voting scum slot, does he EVER need to post? Doesn't BCT's team just tell BCT to post only to vote and not give anything away about who the player is or some other slip?

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Like i role scanned Lopen when I called him a 1001% town, sure

PunishedBen posted...

Here's a thought about BCT. Similar to my reasoning for why Scare is confirmed town.

If Suprak is double voting scum slot, does he EVER need to post? Doesn't BCT's team just tell BCT to post only to vote and not give anything away about who the player is or some other slip?

For argument's sake, the reason for BCT to post and not have help with it is to come across as being obvious that it's him and that he's untainted by others' influence.

I mean, it's a little WIFOM-y, but by attaching the slot to a specific player, it creates no indication that other players are involved, and can't quite implicate other players either.

PunishedBen posted...

Here's a thought about BCT. Similar to my reasoning for why Scare is confirmed town.

If Suprak is double voting scum slot, does he EVER need to post? Doesn't BCT's team just tell BCT to post only to vote and not give anything away about who the player is or some other slip?

I thought about this myself, except Suprak told us in the Opening posts that this role existed. So we would be looking at it funny if this 'Suprak' never said anything.

Sure him going quiet could lead us to waste a lynch on him. But thats if we even believe lynching Suprak cannot hurt the other player.

Btw werent you gonna respond to my posts from yesterday?