Poll of the Day > Texas: Transwoman gets death threats, is arrested for being trans

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Lokarin
01/20/23 9:38:52 PM
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https://www.liberationnews.org/trans-woman-arrested-accused-of-being-man-in-dress-by-texas-police/

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Nichtcrawler-X
01/20/23 9:43:37 PM
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I am confused, that read made no sense.

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Lonestar2000
01/20/23 9:59:19 PM
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Texas is such a fucking shithole.

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Lokarin
01/20/23 10:03:43 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
I am confused, that read made no sense.

A woman in bexar county was getting death threats from, iirc, her newphew who shares the same driveway - he started punching her car so she phoned the police.

Police arrived, instead arrests her for 'making a false report'

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Nichtcrawler-X
01/20/23 10:22:26 PM
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The story makes no sense to me, because the police actions make no sense to me.

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GanonsSpirit
01/20/23 10:26:30 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
The story makes no sense to me, because the police actions make no sense to me.
That's just how policing works in the US.

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BlackScythe0
01/20/23 10:41:08 PM
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So this seems to be local news, and best I can tell is the only article about this story on a news website rather than an activist website which is somewhat alarming it is being largely ignored.

https://tinyurl.com/4tf2spz6

Juan also called police asking to file a report. Juan showed video of the confrontation which deputies say shows Joan slowly creep in front of Juans home. The video, deputies say, shows Juan make a normal knock on the window.

Deputies claim no threat of violence was made against Joan and the report says she lied to the deputies to get Juan arrested. Simoncelli was arrested for making a false report to a police officer.

This is the official story of the officers and I highly doubt it.

They claim there is video proof... but anything they say is going to be difficult to trust with how they choose to treat her after.
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VampireCoyote
01/20/23 10:50:09 PM
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I hope she sues the fuck out of that entire shithole of a state

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BADoglick
01/20/23 11:03:02 PM
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Lonestar2000 posted...
Texas is such a fucking shithole.

All of my worst clients are from Texas

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Entity13
01/20/23 11:12:54 PM
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BADoglick posted...
All of my worst clients are from Texas

4/5 of my worst customers look and sound like a stereotypical Texan, but are from eastern WA. Meanwhile, one girl in another department at work actually is from Texas, and is nothing like them in accent nor attitude or habits. I guess people who are all going to do the same flavor of suck are going to be the same flavor of person. *shrugs*

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Trevor_Belmont
01/20/23 11:57:07 PM
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What does "two-spirit" in the article mean?

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VampireCoyote
01/21/23 12:21:23 AM
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Trevor_Belmont posted...
What does "two-spirit" mean?

likely something akin to dissociative identity disorder

multiple personalities in one brain. A lot more common than people think

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dioxxys
01/21/23 12:31:08 AM
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If it's true I hope she gets justice
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PMarth2002
01/21/23 12:31:44 AM
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Trevor_Belmont posted...
What does "two-spirit" mean?

i think its referring to this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit

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adjl
01/21/23 9:24:06 AM
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Trevor_Belmont posted...
What does "two-spirit" mean?

A variant of being non-binary/gender fluid that has historical roots in a number of indigenous American cultures. I'm not 100% clear on the details, and I would advise educating yourself if you ever plan to discuss the matter in any depth, but for colloquial understanding "NB, but natives" is probably good enough.

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Gaawa_chan
01/21/23 9:27:14 AM
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Trevor_Belmont posted...
What does "two-spirit" mean?
Two-spirit is a (rather reductive) modern term used to describe non-binary gender identities that originate in indigenous American cultures which were forcibly suppressed as part of the genocide of said indigenous Americans. Due to the current socio-political situation involving trans rights as well as increasing interest in both non-binary history and indigenous American culture, you might see the term pop up occasionally in the future.

The wikipedia page linked above is useful if you're interested in more details, but probably the one thing worth noting in particular is that many cultures outside of the dominant one we are familiar with not only did not demonize people who did not fall into binary categories of sex or gender or sought to "fix" them through abuse or mutilation, but often outright venerated them. Two-spirit identities are a part that very different social norm.

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Muscles
01/21/23 1:13:59 PM
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Simoncellis case is typical of the double standards and harassment that trans, non-binary and intersex people experience daily under capitalism.

Lol, yeah capitalism is the reason things went bad here. I'm sure China or Russia would have handled it much better, they have such great records of human rights

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Lokarin
01/21/23 1:33:34 PM
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I'm a far far far lefty, and capitalism is pretty much the best; Can you imagine having currency and NOT being allowed to trade it for products or services?

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ReturnOfFa
01/21/23 1:42:06 PM
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Entity13 posted...
4/5 of my worst customers look and sound like a stereotypical Texan, but are from eastern WA. Meanwhile, one girl in another department at work actually is from Texas, and is nothing like them in accent nor attitude or habits. I guess people who are all going to do the same flavor of suck are going to be the same flavor of person. *shrugs*
ahhhh, eastern Washington.

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GanonsSpirit
01/21/23 5:32:38 PM
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Muscles posted...
Simoncellis case is typical of the double standards and harassment that trans, non-binary and intersex people experience daily under capitalism.

Lol, yeah capitalism is the reason things went bad here. I'm sure China or Russia would have handled it much better, they have such great records of human rights
China and Russia are both capitalist.

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jsb0714
01/21/23 11:08:33 PM
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I'm sure that link tells us exactly what happened.
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Count_Drachma
01/22/23 3:04:05 AM
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jsb0714 posted...
I'm sure that link tells us exactly what happened.

Lokarin posted...
https://www.liberationnews.org/

With a name like that, you know it's a reputable source!

GanonsSpirit posted...
China and Russia are both capitalist.

lol, just lol. Although both nations have some amount of a free market -- as do most countries -- they aren't even close to being capitalist, even by the government-involved US standards of capitalism where the feds pick winners and losers.

You can't pretend to have an actual free market when the state restricts how many foreign movies can be in theaters each year and other shit.


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Lokarin
01/22/23 4:19:46 AM
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Count_Drachma posted...
You can't pretend to have an actual free market when the state restricts how many foreign movies can be in theaters each year and other s***.

how many foreign movies are in your theatre?

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IronBornCorps
01/22/23 10:07:32 AM
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Someone said capitalism when they meant cis supremacy and heteronormative patriarchy.

Also, of course this is being ignored by bigger outlets. Is crime against trans people being mostly ignored by the media a new occurrence to you?
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adjl
01/22/23 10:45:48 AM
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Count_Drachma posted...
You can't pretend to have an actual free market when the state restricts how many foreign movies can be in theaters each year and other s***.

There's no such thing as an actual free market, so you might want to adjust your standards so you aren't measuring real countries against a fantasy.

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Lokarin
01/22/23 11:00:41 AM
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IronBornCorps posted...
Someone said capitalism when they meant cis supremacy and heteronormative patriarchy.

Also, of course this is being ignored by bigger outlets. Is crime against trans people being mostly ignored by the media a new occurrence to you?

I've been calling it koinophilia, an obsession with the 'normal'

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GanglyKhan
01/22/23 11:03:33 AM
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IronBornCorps posted...
Also, of course this is being ignored by bigger outlets. Is crime against trans people being mostly ignored by the media a new occurrence to you?
Dude, if every unjust crime was highlighted by the media, they'd be backreporting about stuff that happened in 2010 still.
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GanglyKhan
01/22/23 11:04:25 AM
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Lokarin posted...
how many foreign movies are in your theatre?
Unironically, two are showing right now, nice try at the "gotcha" Marvel-tier quip though.
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Lokarin
01/22/23 11:08:56 AM
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GanglyKhan posted...
Unironically, two are showing right now, nice try at the "gotcha" Marvel-tier quip though.

that's not really what I meant - it's about market forces; "two" seems approximately similar to the unstated "restricts how many foreign movies can be in theaters each year"

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GanglyKhan
01/22/23 11:11:14 AM
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Lokarin posted...
that's not really what I meant - it's about market forces; "two" seems approximately similar to the unstated "restricts how many foreign movies can be in theaters each year"
I apologize in that case, this board has poised me to assume most often that people are trying to be passige aggressive and shitfling and I did that myself just now lol Sorry again for that.
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Lokarin
01/22/23 11:15:42 AM
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GanglyKhan posted...
I apologize in that case, this board has poised me to assume most often that people are trying to be passige aggressive and shitfling and I did that myself just now lol Sorry again for that.

it's ok, i'm a very unclear poster

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Conner4REAL
01/23/23 5:54:40 AM
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Lonestar2000 posted...
Texas is such a fucking shithole.

here I sit cheeks a flexin,

look out world Im makin a Texan!

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Conner4REAL
01/23/23 6:11:38 AM
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No newspaper that champions itself as socialist and then blasts capitalism for no reason can be trusted to deliver the facts.

this has zero to do w capitalism but the paper taints the article and assaults this person more than the cops did.

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Arcturusisnow
01/23/23 9:55:11 PM
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Lonestar2000 posted...
Texas is such a fucking shithole.
Duh, I wish the capital would burn the fuck down.
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Arcturusisnow
01/23/23 9:56:29 PM
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Muscles posted...
Simoncellis case is typical of the double standards and harassment that trans, non-binary and intersex people experience daily under capitalism.

Lol, yeah capitalism is the reason things went bad here. I'm sure China or Russia would have handled it much better, they have such great records of human rights
Sweden would. They sure ain't capitalist.
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Count_Drachma
01/23/23 10:25:42 PM
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Lokarin posted...
how many foreign movies are in your theatre?

During any given year? Far more than the eight or whatever the CCP has decreed they'll let in. But, more importantly, the lack of foreign films in a US theater is due to market forces, not government fiat.

adjl posted...
There's no such thing as an actual free market, so you might want to adjust your standards so you aren't measuring real countries against a fantasy.

Or maybe you can stop running around with the goal posts while pretending that China's markets are comparable to the US's, or that free speech in China has the same characteristics as free speech in the US.

IronBornCorps posted...
Also, of course this is being ignored by bigger outlets. Is crime against trans people being mostly ignored by the media a new occurrence to you?

Which is a patently absurd allegation for countless reasons, not the least of which being that crimes against LGBT individuals very frequently garner mainstream media attention even when the claims aren't necessarily well-supported, along with the fact there are a lot of crimes against cisgendered persons that get no coverage at all. The only reason there was any investigation or coverage around Gabby Petito was because social media detectives took up the case. Before that, cops and the mainstream media were content with literally letting her boyfriend get away with murder -- and why charges were never brought against the boyfriend's family for their role in covering up the crime when, at a bare minimum, they were accessories after the fact.

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adjl
01/24/23 9:09:12 AM
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Count_Drachma posted...
Or maybe you can stop running around with the goal posts while pretending that China's markets are comparable to the US's, or that free speech in China has the same characteristics as free speech in the US.

Your criterion for "capitalist" was "has an actual free market." You're the one who came in here with binary criteria, not me. I just called you out on it, and now you are moving the goalposts to try and pretend you were making a more nuanced comparison (while also bringing in a non sequitur strawman for even more fallacious goodness). You should know that you look terribly silly when you project like that.

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Count_Drachma
01/25/23 10:43:46 PM
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Lokarin posted...
how many foreign movies are in your theatre?

After reflecting on your shitpost some more, I was thinking about the fact that so many movies we don't even realize are foreign because the US is an open, free market. At any given moment, there are a LOT of foreign-made films in American theaters. It's as natural as walking down the streets of NYC and seeing a mix of races. Compare that to China where their system makes it as difficult as possible for non-Asians to immigrate so, outside of tourist areas, there's next to no racial diversity. Meanwhile, in the US when you find a place with low racial diversity, it often feels odd or unnatural

adjl posted...
Your criterion for "capitalist" was "has an actual free market." You're the one who came in here with binary criteria, not me. I just called you out on it, and now you are moving the goalposts to try and pretend you were making a more nuanced comparison (while also bringing in a non sequitur strawman for even more fallacious goodness). You should know that you look terribly silly when you project like that.

The US has about as free of a market as you can find in the developed world. China's market isn't even free by developing-world standards. You can play around with words all you like, but China's market is less free than Canada's and Canada's is far more restrictive than the US's. (And, like China, Canada enforces protectionist media laws to limit how much foreign culture reaches their population (via things like CRTC requirements))

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Lynyrd_Skynyrd
01/26/23 12:15:49 AM
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Lonestar2000 posted...
Texas is such a fucking shithole.

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adjl
01/26/23 9:32:25 AM
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Count_Drachma posted...
The US has about as free of a market as you can find in the developed world.

A statement which, again, references goalposts that are in a very different position from where you initially said they were.

Moreover, you're missing the actual point, which is that a whole lot more than government intervention gets factored into how free a market is. Monopolies, oligopolies, and corporate collusion also infringe upon market freedom, and all of those things are quite inevitable in a finite (read: real) market without some sort of regulatory oversight to prevent them (which itself also restricts the market).

There's no such thing as an "actual free market," so if that's your criterion for calling a country "capitalist," then by your definition, there's no such thing as a capitalist country. Markets are only ever as free as those in power want them to be, and that remains true no matter what those in power call themselves.

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ANAKAfire
01/26/23 10:02:52 AM
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If everyone would treat each other with basic human respect and decency with a respectful understanding, we wouldn't have so many issues. Just treat others the way you would like to be treated, regardless of race, gender, preference, etc. I'm not just talking about conservatives, this is something both left and right wings should do.

It's so simple and it baffles me how the USA got this toxic and hateful on both sides over the course of a couple decades.

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rexcrk
01/27/23 4:43:13 AM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
The story makes no sense to me, because the police actions make no sense to me.


Well thats.. thats America for ya.


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FatalAccident
01/27/23 7:40:17 AM
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wtf is two spirit lol

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adjl
01/27/23 8:06:58 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
wtf is two spirit lol
adjl posted...
A variant of being non-binary/gender fluid that has historical roots in a number of indigenous American cultures. I'm not 100% clear on the details, and I would advise educating yourself if you ever plan to discuss the matter in any depth, but for colloquial understanding "NB, but natives" is probably good enough.

Among other answers that have already been given in this topic.

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