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dotsdfe
01/30/23 9:57:17 PM
#301:


gunplagirl posted...
<.< counterpoint that one guy you need Rolf and Ike to recruit.

Still not worst in the series but goddamn he's one of the worst and has an ability that is only useful for one chapter he's in. And that's only for the speedrun strats.

Shinon? He's a weird one to rate. He's fantastic early on and can carry in the maps he's on, and when he rejoins later, he does suck, but his growths are good enough to be pretty okay if you give him favoritism.

He usually gets points in a tier list setting for what he adds to the first few maps, though he's an odd one to rate with how he contributes.

MaxEffingBemis posted...
Rolf for a stretch in the game is your only archer too isnt he?

He is, yeah. Though whether that justifies using him with his awful bases or not is up to you. I've seen him used to pretty great effect in ironmans before, and he can become a monster later, but he definitely requires babying early on.

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MarthGoomba
01/30/23 10:35:12 PM
#302:


Calwings posted...
Sigurd YOLO-ing his way across the drawbridge with his 13 movement into the range of my mages and archers so I don't have to deal with his two dozen threatening-looking reinforcement units be like:

https://i.imgur.com/aAUOKlU.jpg
I was a bit disappointed when Sigurd ran ahead of his army, but then he dashed himself into a rock formation so I trapped him with ice to let Yunaka feast for a couple of turns

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MaxEffingBemis
01/30/23 10:40:38 PM
#303:


Oh yeah I was planning a FE4 play through here soon, speaking of Sigurd. At this rate I really need to stick to one FE game and finish it since I keep starting and playing a chapter and stopping

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Blue_Inigo
01/30/23 11:19:07 PM
#304:


Hmmm not a fan of Hortensia's squeaky voice

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LinkPizza
01/30/23 11:24:05 PM
#305:


Blue_Inigo posted...
People say Etie is bad but she's been killing it for me

I haven't heard she's bad. I just heard that Alcryst is apparently better...

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gunplagirl
01/30/23 11:54:48 PM
#306:


Panthera posted...
For the sake of your sanity I really hope you didn't go to 24x
<.< no I never went for that special ranking where you finish the whole game and every map in under 200 turns either.

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Panthera
01/30/23 11:57:41 PM
#307:


gunplagirl posted...
<.< no I never went for that special ranking where you finish the whole game and every map in under 200 turns either.

Yeah that SS or SSS or whatever rank is absurd to get, you have to warp skip a bunch of maps to even have a chance at it and you still need to handle maps like 4 quickly. You can skip 14x though since it doesn't give you a new character (Linoan seems to join there, but you can get her without doing that map), the requirement is 199 turns or less and full recruitment (with one out of Olwen/that other guy whose name I can't spell). Which is what forces you into 24x to get the stoner back.

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Compsognathus
01/31/23 12:46:51 AM
#308:


gunplagirl posted...
She's not much better but only because it's axe emblem. Most enemies use spears. Well, there's more of them than any other type at least.
What? Boyd is very easily the best infantry unit in the game. Admittedly its POR so, that still makes him worse than most mounted units. But Boyd is perfectly decent to use with great offensive stats and a good weapon type. He's also invaluable in the early game.

He's certainly a lot better than Mia who is one of the worst units in the game. She's not Rolf bad, but she is far from good.

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gunplagirl
01/31/23 1:05:47 AM
#309:


Compsognathus posted...
What? Boyd is very easily the best infantry unit in the game. Admittedly its POR so, that still makes him worse than most mounted units. But Boyd is perfectly decent to use with great offensive stats and a good weapon type. He's also invaluable in the early game.

He's certainly a lot better than Mia who is one of the worst units in the game. She's not Rolf bad, but she is far from good.
<.< yeah but mounted emblem, canto for days.

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LinkPizza
01/31/23 1:09:30 AM
#310:


Question What chapter is it after that you can buy Master Seals?

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gunplagirl
01/31/23 1:10:36 AM
#311:


LinkPizza posted...
Question What chapter is it after that you can buy Master Seals?
11 I think is the first one that has a shipment come in? You can buy like 2 at that time and start picking up more in maps by that point.

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LinkPizza
01/31/23 1:11:20 AM
#312:


gunplagirl posted...
11 I think is the first one that has a shipment come in? You can buy like 2 at that time and start picking up more in maps by that point.

Thank you!

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Holy_Cloud105
01/31/23 1:12:37 AM
#313:


Panthera posted...
It's never a waste to kill enemies with the unit that can do it most conveniently. People reeeaaalllyy overrate how important exp management is in Fire Emblem, it basically only matters if you're LTCing, you're never going to suffer because you used Vander to kill stuff. Ignoring him is just making the early game a bit less smooth in exchange for not affecting the rest of the game in any way. This is extra true in Engage where you get strong units handed to you periodically for most of the game.
So since I'm new-ish to FE, how do you tell what makes a unit strong? I never really looked into that stuff and just did whatever for Awakening and 3H.

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Compsognathus
01/31/23 1:19:40 AM
#314:


gunplagirl posted...
<.< yeah but mounted emblem, canto for days.
You won't always have enough mounted units to full deploy nothing but Pallys and Fliers and Boyd is like your next best option. From a pure combat perspective he likely out-peforms most of them. As a Warrior he can can absolutely delete flyers out of the sky better than anyone. Like the dude is comfortably sitting at the top of B tier.

Mia is legit F tier.

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gunplagirl
01/31/23 1:20:02 AM
#315:


Holy_Cloud105 posted...
So since I'm new-ish to FE, how do you tell what makes a unit strong? I never really looked into that stuff and just did whatever for Awakening and 3H.
Generally, what stats do they level up the most, what classes do they have easy access to and how good they are at those, and their ability.

Clanne has a 10% growth stat in magic (personal growth) and mage class gives 25% so he has basically a 1/3 chance of getting a magic point when he levels up and that's as his default class. That's not very good even with his starting value of like 8 magic. Meanwhile Alear has balanced growths except for magic, luck, and build. But their best weapon for most of the game is the default special one for them and they'll always have enough build for it in their default class and the promotion for it. Then there's abilities like Etie which you'll never really use outside of early on when everyone may have to vulnerary heal. And some units have great classes they go into, like a certain flying class is just super good and crits better than most other classes and has good resistance. So anyone who naturally is geared towards moving to that job is gonna be doing better than someone who may not be so lucky. Like Clanne. >.>

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gunplagirl
01/31/23 1:21:17 AM
#316:


Compsognathus posted...
You won't always have enough mounted units to full deploy nothing but Pallys and Fliers and Boyd is like your next best option. From a pure combat perspective he likely out-peforms most of them. As a Warrior he can can absolutely delete flyers out of the sky better than anyone. Like the dude is comfortably sitting at the top of B tier.

Mia is legit F tier.
F tier is too kind to Mia. She's Mia tier.

And full deployments give less bEXP which I like to pump into Makalov because Astrid needs to become his sugar mommy. >.> I'm not even getting into hell, I'm aware.

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Panthera
01/31/23 1:31:37 AM
#317:


Holy_Cloud105 posted...
So since I'm new-ish to FE, how do you tell what makes a unit strong? I never really looked into that stuff and just did whatever for Awakening and 3H.

The long story is it's complicated, the short story is it doesn't matter too much on your first playthrough, you can use whoever you feel like and things will work out (especially if you're on normal, maybe not the case on Maddening, not for a first attempt at least). The only unit with a significant downside to long term use is Vander and it's pretty obvious that you just stop using him once you have a full team of people better than him, only a few units have hidden upside (Anna has high magic growth but starts in a physical class, Clanne is sort of the other way around), pretty much everyone else will end up being decent if you just use them in their default class line or any other that fits their stat spread (which basically just means don't put a unit with garbage magic in a magic using class and similarly obvious stuff).

The only thing that isn't necessarily obvious is that you want to keep access to some utility features - high movement and especially flight is useful for getting to places, which makes for a lot more situations where even if you made a bit of a mistake, you have someone mobile enough to go over there and kill something to fix the problem. The backup class chain attacks anything in its attack range, which is very nice for boss kills. And staffs can be very powerful and the movement based ones don't even require a high magic stat to work well. There's a lot of useful stuff beyond raw stats, and in Engage in particular you can add forges, engravings and various Emblem tricks onto your stats.

edit: The thing that I might not have made clear is that you don't need to worry too much about growths. This is true in most games to varying extents but in Engage in particular no one other than Vander stands out as not growing well (and even for Vander it's more about how slow he gains experience than his actual growths, which are low but not awful). If a units base stats look really good, they're guaranteed to be really good for at least a few chapters and will probably be fine long term anyway. It takes quite a while for growths to catch up to high bases (a 10% growth rate advantage is only 1 extra point per ten levels, so if dude A has 2 more strength than dude B it's going to take 20 levels for them to be equal on average and another ten for B to finally get ahead, so A is equal or better for a huge amount of time) so you rarely go wrong assuming a unit with good base stats is worth your time.

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Blue_Inigo
01/31/23 1:36:39 AM
#318:


As long as you're not playing the hardest difficulty, you can use anyone

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gunplagirl
01/31/23 1:39:28 AM
#319:


Blue_Inigo posted...
As long as you're not playing the hardest difficulty, you can use anyone
Also, the 1500 sp ability from Tiki (rank 5 bond to inherit) gives I heard a 15% boost to all stat growths. So it does salvage a lot of units who might otherwise not be all that great even in their default class.

Oh, special note for Jean. His ability doubles the growth boost from jobs. So if a job gives 30 attack, he gets 60 percent growth rates just from that. Plus Tiki and well. He's consistently getting multiple points up each time you level up.

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Tyranthraxus
01/31/23 1:40:43 AM
#320:


Royal Knight has the best overall growth rates

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gunplagirl
01/31/23 1:47:04 AM
#321:


Say, does anyone know if there's a full list of stat caps by class for each character?

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Calwings
01/31/23 1:54:26 AM
#322:


gunplagirl posted...
Say, does anyone know if there's a full list of stat caps by class for each character?

https://serenesforest.net/engage/classes/maximum-stats/
https://serenesforest.net/engage/characters/maximum-stats/

Take the caps for the class, then adjust them with the modifiers for the character.

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gunplagirl
01/31/23 1:55:14 AM
#323:


Calwings posted...
https://serenesforest.net/engage/classes/maximum-stats/
https://serenesforest.net/engage/characters/maximum-stats/

Take the caps for the class, then adjust them with the modifiers for the character.
Thanks.

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DeadBankerDream
01/31/23 2:58:20 AM
#324:


Anyone know what that headpizza thing Ivy wears is called? I think I've seen stuff like that in Japanese period pieces.

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Calwings
01/31/23 3:12:53 AM
#325:


I did a YOLO bond ring 10-pull before bed and got the Olwen Dire Thunder ring. Time to turn Citrinne into a nuke... tomorrow.

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DeadBankerDream
01/31/23 3:41:44 AM
#326:


Framme. Literally all you have to say to the shop vendor is that you would like an eel sandwich. How is this challenging for you? How is this a support chain conclusion? >_>

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DeadBankerDream
01/31/23 5:06:35 AM
#327:


I was doing a paralogue and suddenly at least one of my units stopped gaining exp from combat without reaching a level cap. What's that about?

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MJOLNRVII
01/31/23 5:15:55 AM
#328:


DeadBankerDream posted...
I was doing a paralogue and suddenly at least one of my units stopped gaining exp from combat without reaching a level cap. What's that about?
Did you check to see if the enemy had that 0 exp skill? I noticed some of the infinitely respawning enemies have that.

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DeadBankerDream
01/31/23 5:33:48 AM
#329:


Ah, that's what it is. Didn't realize that was a thing.

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Ivynn
01/31/23 5:37:26 AM
#330:


Calwings posted...
Sigurd YOLO-ing his way across the drawbridge with his 13 movement into the range of my mages and archers so I don't have to deal with his two dozen threatening-looking reinforcement units be like:

https://i.imgur.com/aAUOKlU.jpg

I felt SO bad using Bolganone on him twice.

IYKYK

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dotsdfe
01/31/23 6:19:53 AM
#331:


So, uh, do Rosado and Goldmary just suck?

I finally got them, and...I'm kind of disappointed. Both struggled pretty hard on their first map.

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DeadBankerDream
01/31/23 6:32:47 AM
#332:


I think Rosado's perfectly usable. Not amazing, dis stats are a little too average all around, but he comes as a useful flier without prior investment. I can use that.

Also I love him and want to cuddle him.

Also question for DLC buying people. Do the Three Houses/Tiki rings come with tome proficiency? Cause that's kind of bullshit if so.

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Ivynn
01/31/23 6:42:40 AM
#333:


Rosado and Goldmary are good units. Too bad I had no place for them.

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MaxEffingBemis
01/31/23 7:38:10 AM
#334:


dotsdfe posted...
So, uh, do Rosado and Goldmary just suck?

I finally got them, and...I'm kind of disappointed. Both struggled pretty hard on their first map.
I had this exact problem yesterday lol. Goldmary was getting well-outperformed by my Lapis who is in the same class as her.

Oh and to the prior POR convo - my Boyd is level 17 at this point and just taking out mounted lancers in every battle he gets in. Hes kind of a beast

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tremain07
01/31/23 7:39:21 AM
#335:


Some of these characters need to fuck these supports are too horny

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MaxEffingBemis
01/31/23 7:48:11 AM
#336:


tremain07 posted...
Some of these characters need to fuck these supports are too horny
Do you think even love can bloom on the battlefield? Hurr hurr hurr

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YugiNoob
01/31/23 7:59:28 AM
#337:


Yay, I can adopt animals now :D

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Compsognathus
01/31/23 9:01:10 AM
#338:


DeadBankerDream posted...
I think Rosado's perfectly usable. Not amazing, dis stats are a little too average all around, but he comes as a useful flier without prior investment. I can use that.

Also I love him and want to cuddle him.

Also question for DLC buying people. Do the Three Houses/Tiki rings come with tome proficiency? Cause that's kind of bullshit if so.
They do not. Tiki only gives arts proficiency. The House Leaders give Axes, Lances, and Bows.

That said, if the leaked Emblem Rings end up being true, three characters are guaranteed to give Tome proficiency and another one seems pretty likely.

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gunplagirl
01/31/23 9:11:43 AM
#339:


Compsognathus posted...
They do not. Tiki only gives arts proficiency. The House Leaders give Axes, Lances, and Bows.

That said, if the leaked Emblem Rings end up being true, three characters are guaranteed to give Tome proficiency and another one seems pretty likely.
Spoiler tag them? I'm assuming we aren't getting Charlotte from FE If. ;-;

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Blue_Inigo
01/31/23 9:18:53 AM
#340:


I finally got to Chapter 11. That was a fun and scary fight for the first half. You lose the dragon crystal so you can't afford to make mistakes. I didn't realize how much I relied on it

Yunaka in the trees is an unstoppable God. She could fight the optional strong units on that map and not get touched except by one cheap asshole. Finally got Ivy. I stan this queen.

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Tyranthraxus
01/31/23 9:20:05 AM
#341:


gunplagirl posted...
Spoiler tag them? I'm assuming we aren't getting Charlotte from FE If. ;-;

Dunno which he thinks are the three guaranteed ones. Only 2 seem to be guaranteed to me with a third really likely.

The incoming bracelets are (not in order)

  1. Hector
  2. Camilla
  3. Chrom + Robin (gender unknown)
  4. Veronica (FEH)
  5. Soren
So #4 and #5 are obvious Tome profs, #3 is extremely likely a tome prof, but I just don't see #1 or #2 coming with a tome prof

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gunplagirl
01/31/23 9:20:26 AM
#342:


Ivy is indeed the best character in the game. Would marry again in a heartbeat.

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gunplagirl
01/31/23 9:22:28 AM
#343:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Dunno which he thinks are the three guaranteed ones. Only 2 seem to be guaranteed to me with a third really likely.

The incoming bracelets are (not in order)

1. Hector
2. Camilla
3. Chrom + Robin (gender unknown)
4. Veronica (FEH)
5. Soren
So #4 and #5 are obvious Tome profs, #3 is extremely likely a tome prof, but I just don't see #1 or #2 coming with a tome prof
That last one would be a surprise but the first 3 especially would be pretty high on my list of ones I'd expect.

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Tyranthraxus
01/31/23 9:26:23 AM
#345:


gunplagirl posted...
That last one would be a surprise but the first 3 especially would be pretty high on my list of ones I'd expect.
Yeah the last one just doesn't make much sense imo.

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Compsognathus
01/31/23 9:27:35 AM
#346:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Dunno which he thinks are the three guaranteed ones. Only 2 seem to be guaranteed to me with a third really likely.

The incoming bracelets are (not in order)

1. Hector
2. Camilla
3. Chrom + Robin (gender unknown)
4. Veronica (FEH)
5. Soren
So #4 and #5 are obvious Tome profs, #3 is extremely likely a tome prof, but I just don't see #1 or #2 coming with a tome prof
Camilla is a Malig Knight. I guarantee she teaches Axe and Tome profiency. Her starting weapons in Fates is a Steel Axe and Thunder.


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Ivynn
01/31/23 9:31:11 AM
#347:


gunplagirl posted...
Ivy is indeed the best character in the game. Would marry again in a heartbeat.

True dat playa. The battle between her, Chloe, and Yunaka was a brutal one, but she won out in the end.

Tyranthraxus posted...
Yeah the last one just doesn't make much sense imo.


Yeah Soren is a...random choice.

And Veronica too? I guess it's true IS considers Fire Emblem Heroes a mainline game now.

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Tyranthraxus
01/31/23 9:39:41 AM
#348:


Ivynn posted...
True dat playa. The battle between her, Chloe, and Yunaka was a brutal one, but she won out in the end.

Yeah Soren is a...random choice.

And Veronica too? I guess it's true IS considers Fire Emblem Heroes a mainline game now.

They have apparently some internal numbering scheme that has always considered FEH a mainline game.


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Compsognathus
01/31/23 9:43:19 AM
#349:


Is it confirmed that Heroes was Iron18? Last I heard nobody is quite sure what that is, which has everyone hyped for a FE4 Remake.

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gunplagirl
01/31/23 9:48:06 AM
#350:


Ivynn posted...
Yeah Soren is a...random choice.
Not random, just a bit surprising since we have two Tellius reps already

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Tyranthraxus
01/31/23 9:51:30 AM
#351:


Compsognathus posted...
Is it confirmed that Heroes was Iron18? Last I heard nobody is quite sure what that is, which has everyone hyped for a FE4 Remake.

It's iron16 apparently according to the highest authority I could find which is a random dude on the FEE board.

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