Current Events > 1 mil lbs of vinyl chloride has entered the Ohio River Basin home to 25 mil ppl

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No one in leadership of that company should ever see outside a cell or worse ever again.

The company and its major shareholders should be brought to complete ruin.

This could have been avoided had we stopped using civil war era train technology and modernized. Not even using stuff that's new right now, simply stuff from the last 50 years would reduce the risk of these things happening.

effects:

Vinyl chloride is a known human carcinogen. Low level exposure to vinyl chloride over a person's lifetime can increase the risk of cancer in the liver, blood vessels, kidney, stomach, and skin. People can come in to contact with vinyl chloride if their drinking water is contaminated.Sep 6, 2016

https://thehill.com/homenews/3856043-3-more-chemicals-discovered-in-ohio-train-derailment/

3 more chemicals discovered in Ohio train derailment

Three more chemicals have been found on the Norfolk Southern train that derailed in Ohio just over a week ago, and they are being described as dangerous.We basically nuked a town with chemicals so we could get a railroad open, said Sil Caggiano, a hazardous materials specialist.
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency sent a letter to Norfolk Southern stating that ethylene glycol monobutyl ether, ethylhexyl acrylate and isobutylene were also in the rail cars that were derailed, breached and/or on fire.

Caggiano said ethylhexyl acrylate is especially concerning since its a carcinogen and contact with it can cause burning and irritation of the skin and eyes. Breathing it in can irritate the nose and throat and cause coughing and shortness of breath.

Isobutylene is also known to cause dizziness and drowsiness when inhaled.
I was surprised when they quickly told the people they can go back home, but then said if they feel like they want their homes tested, they can have them tested. I wouldve far rather they did all the testing, Caggiano said.
Caggiano says its possible some of these chemicals could still be present in homes and on objects until you clean them thoroughly.
Theres a lot of what-ifs, and were going to be looking at this thing five, 10, 15, 20 years down the line and wondering, Gee, cancer clusters could pop up, you know, well water could go bad,' Caggiano said.
Caggiano recommends that anyone in the East Palestine area should get a health check-up so there is documentation in the event of any effects possibly related to the train derailment.

This is a time where "Fuck Joe Biden" is an appropriate sentiment.

That's horrific.

__aCEr__ posted...

This is a time where "Fuck Joe Biden" is an appropriate sentiment.

you can send him a message on whitehouse.gov

don't say fuck Joe Biden but you can say you are dissappointed and want him to step up etc

Way to go Joe

Thanks Joe

Bring Trump backhe wouldve called out this nonsense..

SaintSeiyaX posted...

Bring Trump backhe wouldve called out this nonsense..

He would have done absolutely nothing differently.

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SaintSeiyaX posted...

Bring Trump backhe wouldve called out this nonsense..

Calling it out after the fact, which is exactly what he would have done, does not put the chemicals back on the train.

He probably would have said something racist or homophobic

Biden almost definitely will roll over for the corporation.

Trump would have already been wearing his leash.

Irony posted...

He probably would have said something racist or homophobic

I can imagine how stupid it would've been.

"Palestine has treated Israel bad very bad almost as bad as the fake news treats me. Still very bad, very sad but I don't see why Palestine's trains are a problem for us to deal with. They can sort out their own problems."

Trump might have called Norfolk CEO a loser but probably do nothing.

WingsOfGood posted...

Trump might have called Norfolk CEO a loser but probably do nothing.

I think he would have blamed windmills actually.

Or call it a democrat hoax.

Or blame China.

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The emails were full of the Toxic Chemicals from Obamas tan suit.

I sent Biden a strongly worded e-mail. Let's see what the intern replies. I bet they use ChatGPT.

Unsuprised_Pika posted...

No one in leadership of that company should ever see outside a cell or worse ever again.

The company and its major shareholders should be brought to complete ruin.

Im playing catch up on this, what did the company do wrong here? I saw the report that an axel was on fire or something. Is that the reference? Situations seems terrible and its odd that its getting so little attention.

Maybe Hunters laptop had this incident on there.

We should remove regulations. This kind of thing wouldn't happen with less regulation. The market would sort it out. Meanwhile the market and government does no such thing in yet another instance of massive fuck ups

/s

whitelytning posted...

Im playing catch up on this, what did the company do wrong here? I saw the report that an axel was on fire or something. Is that the reference? Situations seems terrible and its odd that its getting so little attention.

Was 150% preventable. But they understaff and overwork to maximize profit which 100% caused this to happen.

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Relevant part

The trains were not equipped with electronically controlled pneumatic brakes, which a former Federal Railroad Administration official said would have reduced the severity of the accident.[4] In 2017, Norfolk Southern had successfully lobbied to have regulations requiring their use on trains carrying hazardous materials repealed.[4]

The trains were not equipped with electronically controlled pneumatic brakes, which a former Federal Railroad Administration official said would have reduced the severity of the accident.[4] In 2017, Norfolk Southern had successfully lobbied to have regulations requiring their use on trains carrying hazardous materials repealed.[4]

Everyone involved in that decision should have been thrown into the center of the spill.

WingsOfGood posted...

Relevant part

The trains were not equipped with electronically controlled pneumatic brakes, which a former Federal Railroad Administration official said would have reduced the severity of the accident.[4] In 2017, Norfolk Southern had successfully lobbied to have regulations requiring their use on trains carrying hazardous materials repealed.[4]

Wait... You're telling me that the Trump Administration allowed a massive corporation to cut back on how much they're required to do for safety? This is the basest slander and we cannot stand for it /s

Unsuprised_Pika posted...

No one in leadership of that company should ever see outside a cell or worse ever again.

The company and its major shareholders should be brought to complete ruin.

And instead, best we can hope for is a piddly-shit fine and the company making a public apology while openly making the "dismissive wanking gesture" with their other hand.

Shadow-Bolt posted...

Wait... You're telling me that the Trump Administration allowed a massive corporation to cut back on how much they're required to do for safety? This is the basest slander and we cannot stand for it /s

Yes but Biden also refused to let workers strike for better conditions as well....

WingsOfGood posted...

Yes but Biden also refused to let workers strike for better conditions as well....

Both sides, amirite?

Norfolk Southern and their toadies in the federal government allowed this to happen. Their mission is to convince the public that derailing a train and poisoning your city is just a regular and expected cost of doing business. If we keep letting them get away with it, they will keep doing it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graniteville_train_crash

https://newrepublic.com/post/170570/life-ohio-train-derailment-trouble-breathing-dying-animals-saying-goodbye

Agent_Stroud posted...

Both sides, amirite?

I mean....
Biden is potus now anyways he can do something about it. If he doesn't and just blames Trump well...

Intro2Logic posted...

https://newrepublic.com/post/170570/life-ohio-train-derailment-trouble-breathing-dying-animals-saying-goodbye

This is horrifying...

No one is talking about it

Damn right! Were too busy being worried about balloons and how problematic a goddamn Harry Potter video game is to worry about something silly like deadly chemicals in the water.

Agent_Stroud posted...

Both sides, amirite?

Weird to be doing a victory lap because not only Trump is responsible for what led to a *checks notes* massive climate catastrophe

No mention of this story on CNN.com or MSNBC.com.

It's not even on the Drudge Report, which is surprising because it seems like the kind of story Matt Drudge would love to get the word out on.

WingsOfGood posted...

Relevant part

The trains were not equipped with electronically controlled pneumatic brakes, which a former Federal Railroad Administration official said would have reduced the severity of the accident.[4] In 2017, Norfolk Southern had successfully lobbied to have regulations requiring their use on trains carrying hazardous materials repealed.[4]

Here's the thing about that: this train wouldn't have been covered by that rule anyway, because the rule only applied to trains carrying 70 or more cars containing flammable liquids. This train only had 20 of those cars.

WingsOfGood posted...

Yes but Biden also refused to let workers strike for better conditions as well....

Last time I checked you can strike without permission. That's the fucking point. I'm on the railworkers side here but they made a choice, the wrong one.

Shadow-Bolt posted...

Last time I checked you can strike without permission. That's the fucking point. I'm on the railworkers side here but they made a choice, the wrong one.

they would go to jail and lose everything basically

WingsOfGood posted...

they would go to jail and lose everything basically

All I'm hearing is they were unwilling to stand up for what they believed in, rolled over, and caved. Of course nothing changes if no one is willing to take risks to force change.

Shadow-Bolt posted...

All I'm hearing is they were unwilling to stand up for what they believed in, rolled over, and caved. Of course nothing changes if no one is willing to take risks to force change.

Fuck off.

Shadow-Bolt posted...

All I'm hearing is they were unwilling to stand up for what they believed in, rolled over, and caved. Of course nothing changes if no one is willing to take risks to force change.

literal congress and Joe Biden said NO

who you think gonna stop the big corp from doing terrible things to them?

they might even sent the army to stop the strikes

For context on this argument:
https://inthesetimes.com/article/biden-rail-workers-strike-bernie-sanders-congress-paid-leave

With a nationwide railroad strike set to begin as early as December 9, congressional leaders and President Joe Biden are scrambling to take away the right of over 100,000 rail workers to withhold their labor by imposing a contract that most of these workers voted to reject. But progressives on Capitol Hill are attempting to partially meet the workers central demand of guaranteed paid sick leave a benefit they currently dont have.

At a time of record profits in the rail industry, its unacceptable that rail workers have zero guaranteed paid sick days, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said on Twitter. Its my intention to block consideration of the rail legislation until a roll call vote occurs on guaranteeing seven paid sick days to rail workers in America.

The maneuvering in Washington this week comes after nearly three years of union negotiations with the nations highly profitable rail carriers. Ahead of a previous strike deadline in September, a tentative, five-year agreement was brokered with the help of Labor Secretary Marty Walsh and with Bidens personal involvement.

But since then, members of four unions representing 55% of the national rail workforce voted to reject the agreement, citing the deals failure to provide adequate sick leave and improve unpredictable scheduling opening the possibility of next weeks strike.

On Monday, after over 400 trade groups publicly urged federal intervention to preempt a strike, Biden called on Congress to exercise its power under the 1926 Railway Labor Act to override the four unions votes and impose the September agreement without any modifications.

Notably, Congress can force a contract that goes beyond the tentative agreement and provides conditions more favorable to rail workers, but the president explicitly urged lawmakers not to do that.

Some in Congress want to modify the deal to either improve it for labor or for management, Biden said. However well-intentioned, any changes would risk delay and a debilitating shutdown.

Biden, who campaigned in 2020 on a promise to guarantee at least seven paid sick days to all U.S. workers, added, I share workers concern about the inability to take leave to recover from illness or care for a sick family member.

In a blistering statement, the Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employees Division one of the unions that voted down the September deal said: It is not enough to share workers concerns. A call to Congress to act immediately to pass legislation that adopts tentative agreements that exclude paid sick leave ignores the Railroad Workers concerns.

Joe Biden blew it, said Hugh Sawyer, an Atlanta-based locomotive engineer. He had the opportunity to prove his labor-friendly pedigree to millions of workers by simply asking Congress for legislation to end the threat of a national strike on terms more favorable to workers. Sadly, he could not bring himself to advocate for a lousy handful of sick days.

Sawyer is the secretary-treasurer of Railroad Workers United (RWU), an inter-union, cross-craft network of rail unionists that led the rank-and-file opposition to the September deal.

Meanwhile, the Association of American Railroads the largest rail industry trade group which has spent over $3.5 million in lobbying this year alonepraised Biden for moving to block a work stoppage.

Congressional leaders from both parties met with the president on Tuesday and said they would fast-track his request to force the tentative deal and stop a strike, but Sanders and progressive Democrats insisted that any such legislation include at least seven days of paid sick leave (although the unions have been demanding 15 days).

High-profile labor leaders like Association of Flight Attendants President Sara Nelson and Teamsters General President Sean OBrien quickly expressed support for Congress to include sick leave. After more than 24 hours of noticeable silence, the AFL-CIO whose leadership is close to Biden also joined the push for adding sick leave.

In response, and with the approval of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi put forward two separate measures: a bill to preempt the strike and impose the September deal as it is, and a separate resolution granting rail workers seven paid sick days.

Both measures passed on Wednesday. The bill to block a strike and force the unpopular agreement onto rail workers passed 290 to 137, with eight Democrats and 129 Republicans voting against it. The separate measure to tack on paid sick days passed 221 to 207, with only three Republicans voting in favor.

The two measures now head to the Senate, where they will both need at least 60 votes to pass. Some Senate Republicans like Marco Rubio (R-Fl.) and Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) who have attempted to rebrand the GOP as a party of the working class have expressed reluctance to impose a contract but have shown uncertainty about whether they will get behind adding paid sick leave.

It would be hard for me to understand how you can be talking about a Republican working-class party if youre not going to vote to support paid guaranteed sick leave for railroad workers who today have none, Sanders told HuffPost. Sanders joined 11 Democratic colleagues in the Senate who released a statement Wednesday calling for passage of both bills.

In his first statement after Wednesdays House votes, Biden urged the Senate to quickly pass the legislation preempting a strike but said nothing of the effort to add sick leave.

Because the two measures passed by the House are separate and not fused together as a single piece of legislation, it is conceivable that the Senate will pass the bill that imposes the September agreement and blocks a work stoppage, then vote down the resolution to add seven paid sick days. A vote could come as soon as Thursday.

Theres an east palestine in Ohio?

Why do people keep saying "nobody is talking about this?" when multiple major news sources are?

Can they contain the spread?