Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Bowser, Mewtwo and Donkey Kong vs. Aigis and Crono

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KanzarisKelshen 02/22/23 7:16:24 PM #1:	Bowser, Mewtwo and Donkey Kong have challenged Aigis and Crono to a fight! Location of the fight: Iwatodai Dormitory - A well-off dormitory building, with multiple floors and rooms. Access to the rest of Port Island is not allowed. Attackers begin at the dormitory entrance, while defenders begin in the meeting room. Which side will win? Guidelines - The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment. - The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of executing a prearranged battle plan. - Unless stated otherwise, characters have access to their full arsenal of abilities and equipment. They may not always work at full power, however (e.g. a petrifying spell may have only a partial hindering effect not seen in gameplay or even fail outright against sufficiently powerful mercenaries). Use your own discretion. - There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from. Rules for Voting - Bold your votes. - You do not need to require justification for your vote, though the admins reserve the right to disqualify votes in the advent of obvious alt voting and other similar scenarios. - Leaders cannot vote for their own teams, but they are free to argue their case. - If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish. - This match will end in 24 hours. Bowser is as he appears in Mario & Luigi: Bowsers Inside Story, equipped with the Wicked Shell, Vampire Band, and Special Fangs X, though at his Super Mario Odyssey size. He may freely summon minions for Brawl Attacks, but only to perform the attacks, and cannot enlarge himself further or vacuum up abilities. He also has access to all abilities shown in Super Mario RPG, Super Mario Odyssey, and Super Mario 64, and may summon and use the Koopa Clown Car at will (though he only has one and it contains no minions or other weapons). Mewtwo is as it appears in Pokken Tournament, with all of its moves as well as those from Shadow Mewtwo in the same game, and is capable of a synergy burst on its own. It has all feats and powers demonstrated by Mewtwo in Detective Pikachu (both the game and film), aside from anything to do with swapping souls or consciousness, as well as its entire natural learnset from Pokemon: Lets Go Pikachu and Eevee and the move Psystrike. Teleport may only warp Mewtwo, and only to locations it has already seen in todays battle. He has been hit by Crono and Aigis' Shredding Smite dual tech to start the battle. Its effects are up to interpretation, but it should be assumed to be at least as impactful as both Crono's Frenzy technique and Aigis' Heritage Liberator Palladion technique combined. Donkey Kong is as he appears in Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, at Platinum Crest level. He also has access to his Mario + Rabbids: Donkey Kong Adventure skills and Golden Gyre, Smash Ultimate moveset, and his fully-upgraded coconut gun and 10 orange grenades from Donkey Kong 64. He is 100% larger, physically stronger, and faster in both movement speed and reflexes for today's battle. ~VS~ Aigis is as she appears in Persona 4 Arena Ultimax with all of her moves available. Pallas Athena also has all of her skills and properties from Persona 3 and Persona Q2 available. She must actively focus to apply the effects of Aegis Shielding, but it will always trigger if she does so. She has been hit by Mewtwo's Psychic attack, damaging her. She will track Donkey Kong's movements throughout the fight, always remaining aware of his position and prioritizing taking him down if possible. Crono is as he appears in Chrono Trigger's latest version, with a set of full endgame equipment and access to all his techs. He may perform combination techs with his allies should the situation demand it. He has been hit by Donkey Kong's Giant Punch, KOing him and rendering him unable to participate in today's battle. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:971742138] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Bowser, Mewtwo and Donkey Kong have challenged Aigis and Crono to a fight! Location of the fight: Iwatodai Dormitory - A well-off dormitory building, with multiple floors and rooms. Access to the rest of Port Island is not allowed. Attackers begin at the dormitory entrance, while defenders begin in the meeting room. Which side will win?Guidelines- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment. - The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of executing a prearranged battle plan. - Unless stated otherwise, characters have access to their full arsenal of abilities and equipment. They may not always work at full power, however (e.g. a petrifying spell may have only a partial hindering effect not seen in gameplay or even fail outright against sufficiently powerful mercenaries). Use your own discretion. - There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.Rules for Voting- Bold your votes. - You do not need to require justification for your vote, though the admins reserve the right to disqualify votes in the advent of obvious alt voting and other similar scenarios. - Leaders cannot vote for their own teams, but they are free to argue their case. - If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish. - This match will end in 24 hours.Bowser is as he appears in Mario & Luigi: Bowsers Inside Story, equipped with the Wicked Shell, Vampire Band, and Special Fangs X, though at his Super Mario Odyssey size. He may freely summon minions for Brawl Attacks, but only to perform the attacks, and cannot enlarge himself further or vacuum up abilities. He also has access to all abilities shown in Super Mario RPG, Super Mario Odyssey, and Super Mario 64, and may summon and use the Koopa Clown Car at will (though he only has one and it contains no minions or other weapons).Mewtwo is as it appears in Pokken Tournament, with all of its moves as well as those from Shadow Mewtwo in the same game, and is capable of a synergy burst on its own. It has all feats and powers demonstrated by Mewtwo in Detective Pikachu (both the game and film), aside from anything to do with swapping souls or consciousness, as well as its entire natural learnset from Pokemon: Lets Go Pikachu and Eevee and the move Psystrike. Teleport may only warp Mewtwo, and only to locations it has already seen in todays battle. He has been hit by Crono and Aigis' Shredding Smite dual tech to start the battle. Its effects are up to interpretation, but it should be assumed to be at least as impactful as both Crono's Frenzy technique and Aigis' Heritage Liberator Palladion technique combined.Donkey Kong is as he appears in Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, at Platinum Crest level. He also has access to his Mario + Rabbids: Donkey Kong Adventure skills and Golden Gyre, Smash Ultimate moveset, and his fully-upgraded coconut gun and 10 orange grenades from Donkey Kong 64. He is 100% larger, physically stronger, and faster in both movement speed and reflexes for today's battle.~VS~Aigis is as she appears in Persona 4 Arena Ultimax with all of her moves available. Pallas Athena also has all of her skills and properties from Persona 3 and Persona Q2 available. She must actively focus to apply the effects of Aegis Shielding, but it will always trigger if she does so. She has been hit by Mewtwo's Psychic attack, damaging her. She will track Donkey Kong's movements throughout the fight, always remaining aware of his position and prioritizing taking him down if possible.Crono is as he appears in Chrono Trigger's latest version, with a set of full endgame equipment and access to all his techs. He may perform combination techs with his allies should the situation demand it. He has been hit by Donkey Kong's Giant Punch, KOing him and rendering him unable to participate in today's battle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AriaOfBolo 02/22/23 7:17:12 PM #2:	This one's goin' different! I think the majority opinion was that Mewtwo could take the old Dual Tech, and I don't see that Frenzy will make a big difference vs. Luminaire. Mewtwo's Defense equals its Special Defense. I saw some people arguing that it'll "shred" its defenses, but Mewtwo doesn't have, like, armor here, it's just a tough hombre. If Mewtwo survives, I really don't see an Aigis route to victory, so I won't dwell on that timeline. DK distracts and meatshields long enough for Mewtwo to Recover and buff, and those buffs+Bowser swing what was a pretty close fight last time. If she even gets past DK! DK is going to be a lot bigger threat than in the previous match. He has power AND speed buffed, and this is a fairly small arena where he can shine and Aigis can't move around as much as she'd like. And, y'know, he's not possessed for 15 seconds and then shrunk. Bowser will likely be left alone, but he has fire breath as well as his SMRPG specials (I'm imagining Poison Gas and Crusher, personally) to keep up some pressure if he gets stuck at a chokepoint, and is also a dangerous and very tanky opponent if he gets in to melee. I think DK tosses her around like a ragdoll a lot. If she holes up in a dorm room or something, she'll be in bigger trouble once DK gets in, and if she fights in a bigger room, it's a real 2v1 situation. I propose she'd struggle with either scenario, and I also propose that even if she survives, she's gonna be pretty drained and facing a full health buffed up Mewtwo, probably before she's done with the tanks! --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! Stronger than the storms that they've shown you <cite>AriaOfBolo posted [p:971742153] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>This one's goin' different! I think the majority opinion was that Mewtwo could take the old Dual Tech, and I don't see that Frenzy will make a big difference vs. Luminaire. Mewtwo's Defense equals its Special Defense. I saw some people arguing that it'll "shred" its defenses, but Mewtwo doesn't have, like, armor here, it's just a tough hombre.If Mewtwo survives, I really don't see an Aigis route to victory, so I won't dwell on that timeline. DK distracts and meatshields long enough for Mewtwo to Recover and buff, and those buffs+Bowser swing what was a pretty close fight last time. If she even gets past DK!DK is going to be a lot bigger threat than in the previous match. He has power AND speed buffed, and this is a fairly small arena where he can shine and Aigis can't move around as much as she'd like. And, y'know, he's not possessed for 15 seconds and then shrunk. Bowser will likely be left alone, but he has fire breath as well as his SMRPG specials (I'm imagining Poison Gas and Crusher, personally) to keep up some pressure if he gets stuck at a chokepoint, and is also a dangerous and very tanky opponent if he gets in to melee.I think DK tosses her around like a ragdoll a lot. If she holes up in a dorm room or something, she'll be in bigger trouble once DK gets in, and if she fights in a bigger room, it's a real 2v1 situation. I propose she'd struggle with either scenario, and I also propose that even if she survives, she's gonna be pretty drained and facing a full health buffed up Mewtwo, probably before she's done with the tanks!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chaeix 02/22/23 7:19:21 PM #3:	Okay, so let's start with the obvious. My dearest baby Crono has died. What a Heroic Sacrifice. He cannot be revived, unfortunately, because he has been K TO THE O'd. But unfortunately his sacrifice is not in vain because, and I cannot emphasize this enough, the dual tech still goes off. Mewtwo has been hit by yet another dual tech, this time Shredding Smite. Another name that is unfortunately a smite so it doesn't sound as cool as it could, but this time we're bringing a move that lines up with Crono's strength as a physical fighter and Aigis' Heritage Liberator Palladion. The two spells are below: https://youtu.be/B3csqSb-9Mk?t=73 https://youtu.be/IrmDrlgTr3Y?t=118 Mewtwo is dead this time. A move that combines Aigis' IK with a bunch of slashes directly to the flesh leaves him skewered and in pieces. A real tragedy. Last time, the Luminaire dual tech didn't kill Mewtwo but I have listened to the voices of the people and used the combo they suggested. Mewtwo should be dead as a door nail this time. That leaves the match as Bowser and DK (200%) vs. Aigis. But Aigis has buffs - specifically an Attack Buff, Defense Buff, and Evasion/Reflex Buff. The only buffs DK has that Aigis doesn't are size and speed - and in any case, it's not hard to believe that Aigis is 2x faster than base DK, so she's still outspeeding him here. This is all to say the buffs absolutely do not give DK a decisive advantage, especially given Aigis has a defense reduction debuff - so even though DK has doubled defense, it's effectively back to normal because of the debuff. Anyways let's proceed with how the match will actually go. The terrain is the Iwatodai Dormitory - a large dormitory building with a sizable rooftop - the rooftop is key here. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/3/AAM0NeAAENZJ.jpg Aigis' Terrain Advantage - A Game of Cat and Mouse Aigis knows exactly where DK is at any point in the match, and she is smart enough not to engage in a straight up 1v1, and because of her radar scanning abilities separate from the ability, she's also able to detect how big DK is if he's nearby (see: P4U where she can detect plane intruders without seeing them, and identify what they're holding). This means that the game Aigis is playing against DK is a game of cat and mouse - do damage safely and then retreat. Which she has all of the knowledge and skills to do on her home terrain. She knows every room, every hallway, how stairs connect, and the fastest way from point A to point B. DK and Bowser have none of this knowledge. I say a 1v1 here because Bowser is just too slow to matter in a real fight. Aigis will kite DK away from Bowser before engaging, she knows she shouldn't be engaging in a 1v2. I really can't emphasize enough that if Aigis is successfully kiting DK, Bowser is just out of the picture. Aigis starts the battle by healing the damage off from Psychic and buffing herself. DK and Bowser are on the move. She can completely avoid them and pick and choose when she engages. Once she sees that she's up against a giant gorilla and a large turtle, she's smart enough to recognize that the roof is the best place to fight. She can just kite DK around, and if DK gets close, she just summons Athena to get in the way and then jumps to a safe distance. The reason why the roof is ideal is because Aigis can just run away and heal by either going back down the stairs into the building, or alternatively jumping off the building and then running in the ground floor. Or alternatively, she just summons Athena and then flies up above the roof and just abuses her range advantage. Regardless of how she does it, Aigis' ability to kite is invaluable here because she can rebuff and most importantly, heal herself to full whereas DK has zero sustain. And if people think DK and Bowser go to the roof of the building right away, then that still doesn't really matter. Aigis knows not to engage head-on and waits for them to move before going and setting up her advantageous position. The point is really that Aigis knows where DK is, so she will go where he does not to set up a surprise attack. I am hard-pressed to believe that DK can beat Aigis when she is still faster than him, has the terrain advantage, and can heal herself. Despite DK's parameter boost, Aigis still has a clear advantage with respect to most parameters because of her buffs, and has the range advantage. Between her guns, explosives, and nuclear magic, it seems pretty clear to me that Aigis can steer clear of DK and whittle him down. A final point I would like to make is that 2x size DK is twice as easy to hit with bullets. DK has no armor, and is merely flesh and bone. While he's strong, he's a massive fleshy target who should realistically just get shredded by Aigis' weapons either way. He's certainly not getting out of the way --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs <cite>Chaeix posted [p:971742197] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Okay, so let's start with the obvious. My dearest baby Crono has died. What a Heroic Sacrifice. He cannot be revived, unfortunately, because he has been K TO THE O'd. But unfortunately his sacrifice is not in vain because, and I cannot emphasize this enough, the dual tech still goes off.Mewtwo has been hit by yet another dual tech, this time Shredding Smite. Another name that is unfortunately a smite so it doesn't sound as cool as it could, but this time we're bringing a move that lines up with Crono's strength as a physical fighter and Aigis' Heritage Liberator Palladion. The two spells are below: https://youtu.be/B3csqSb-9Mk?t=73 https://youtu.be/IrmDrlgTr3Y?t=118 Mewtwo is dead this time. A move that combines Aigis' IK with a bunch of slashes directly to the flesh leaves him skewered and in pieces. A real tragedy. Last time, the Luminaire dual tech didn't kill Mewtwo but I have listened to the voices of the people and used the combo they suggested. Mewtwo should be dead as a door nail this time.That leaves the match as Bowser and DK (200%) vs. Aigis.But Aigis has buffs - specifically an Attack Buff, Defense Buff, and Evasion/Reflex Buff. The only buffs DK has that Aigis doesn't are size and speed - and in any case, it's not hard to believe that Aigis is 2x faster than base DK, so she's still outspeeding him here. This is all to say the buffs absolutely do not give DK a decisive advantage, especially given Aigis has a defense reduction debuff - so even though DK has doubled defense, it's effectively back to normal because of the debuff.Anyways let's proceed with how the match will actually go. The terrain is the Iwatodai Dormitory - a large dormitory building with a sizable rooftop - the rooftop is key here.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/3/AAM0NeAAENZJ.jpg Aigis' Terrain Advantage - A Game of Cat and MouseAigis knows exactly where DK is at any point in the match, and she is smart enough not to engage in a straight up 1v1, and because of her radar scanning abilities separate from the ability, she's also able to detect how big DK is if he's nearby (see: P4U where she can detect plane intruders without seeing them, and identify what they're holding). This means that the game Aigis is playing against DK is a game of cat and mouse - do damage safely and then retreat. Which she has all of the knowledge and skills to do on her home terrain. She knows every room, every hallway, how stairs connect, and the fastest way from point A to point B. DK and Bowser have none of this knowledge.I say a 1v1 here because Bowser is just too slow to matter in a real fight. Aigis will kite DK away from Bowser before engaging, she knows she shouldn't be engaging in a 1v2. I really can't emphasize enough that if Aigis is successfully kiting DK, Bowser is just out of the picture.Aigis starts the battle by healing the damage off from Psychic and buffing herself. DK and Bowser are on the move. She can completely avoid them and pick and choose when she engages. Once she sees that she's up against a giant gorilla and a large turtle, she's smart enough to recognize that the roof is the best place to fight. She can just kite DK around, and if DK gets close, she just summons Athena to get in the way and then jumps to a safe distance.The reason why the roof is ideal is because Aigis can just run away and heal by either going back down the stairs into the building, or alternatively jumping off the building and then running in the ground floor. Or alternatively, she just summons Athena and then flies up above the roof and just abuses her range advantage. Regardless of how she does it, Aigis' ability to kite is invaluable here because she can rebuff and most importantly, heal herself to full whereas DK has zero sustain.And if people think DK and Bowser go to the roof of the building right away, then that still doesn't really matter. Aigis knows not to engage head-on and waits for them to move before going and setting up her advantageous position. The point is really that Aigis knows where DK is, so she will go where he does not to set up a surprise attack.I am hard-pressed to believe that DK can beat Aigis when she is still faster than him, has the terrain advantage, and can heal herself. Despite DK's parameter boost, Aigis still has a clear advantage with respect to most parameters because of her buffs, and has the range advantage. Between her guns, explosives, and nuclear magic, it seems pretty clear to me that Aigis can steer clear of DK and whittle him down.A final point I would like to make is that 2x size DK is twice as easy to hit with bullets. DK has no armor, and is merely flesh and bone. While he's strong, he's a massive fleshy target who should realistically just get shredded by Aigis' weapons either way. He's certainly not getting out of the way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 02/22/23 7:19:41 PM #4:	DK and Bowser vs Aigis in a dorm where the two of them are bottlenecked and where Aigis knows DKs every movement? Dis gud. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://i.imgur.com/AWY4xHy.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:971742205] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>DK and Bowser vs Aigis in a dorm where the two of them are bottlenecked and where Aigis knows DKs every movement?Dis gud. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 02/22/23 7:21:41 PM #5:	Opening hot takes: Shredding Smite sounds like it applies def down repeatedly to me. If so Mewtwo is super hosed, because Frenzy barely hits less hard than Luminaire to begin with. ...But idk if yuge DK and Bowser don't win this easy anyways. Will think about it more. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:971742245] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Opening hot takes: Shredding Smite sounds like it applies def down repeatedly to me. If so Mewtwo is super hosed, because Frenzy barely hits less hard than Luminaire to begin with....But idk if yuge DK and Bowser don't win this easy anyways. Will think about it more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 02/22/23 7:24:05 PM #6:	The X factor for me here is bowser. Is there even gonns be room for him to maneuver or is this gonna essentially be 2 1 on 1 fights in a cramped hallway? --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://i.imgur.com/AWY4xHy.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:971742292] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>The X factor for me here is bowser. Is there even gonns be room for him to maneuver or is this gonna essentially be 2 1 on 1 fights in a cramped hallway?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AriaOfBolo 02/22/23 7:25:08 PM #7:	I think Bowser is smart enough to use the numbers to his advantage and flank, if Aigis tries to kite to the rooftop like that. I'm also not sure Aigis is twice as fast as base DK. He's not FAST but he's got more agility than people think. She can probably get a few rounds of hit and run in but I don't think she can keep it up forever even if Mewtwo is dead. --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! Stronger than the storms that they've shown you <cite>AriaOfBolo posted [p:971742318] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>I think Bowser is smart enough to use the numbers to his advantage and flank, if Aigis tries to kite to the rooftop like that. I'm also not sure Aigis is twice as fast as base DK. He's not FAST but he's got more agility than people think. She can probably get a few rounds of hit and run in but I don't think she can keep it up forever even if Mewtwo is dead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chaeix 02/22/23 7:26:54 PM #8:	Eddv posted... The X factor for me here is bowser. Is there even gonns be room for him to maneuver or is this gonna essentially be 2 1 on 1 fights in a cramped hallway? I posted it in the chat but I'll post it again here for the topic readers - Bowser is really a hindrance for DK here if they try and fight together. If DK is helping Bowser out, he's not in Aigis' face, which is the only place he can win the match from. Aigis can either just poke them both down from range, or she baits it into separate 1v1s. Like, say they're fighting on the roof and Aigis jumps off - she makes a clean getaway if DK doesn't separate himself from Bowser entirely. --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs <cite>Chaeix posted [p:971742351] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Eddv posted... </cite><quote>The X factor for me here is bowser. Is there even gonns be room for him to maneuver or is this gonna essentially be 2 1 on 1 fights in a cramped hallway?</quote>I posted it in the chat but I'll post it again here for the topic readers - Bowser is really a hindrance for DK here if they try and fight together. If DK is helping Bowser out, he's not in Aigis' face, which is the only place he can win the match from. Aigis can either just poke them both down from range, or she baits it into separate 1v1s.Like, say they're fighting on the roof and Aigis jumps off - she makes a clean getaway if DK doesn't separate himself from Bowser entirely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AriaOfBolo 02/22/23 7:27:12 PM #9:	Eddv posted... The X factor for me here is bowser. Is there even gonns be room for him to maneuver or is this gonna essentially be 2 1 on 1 fights in a cramped hallway? I think DK can make his own hallways, and possibly Bowser can too. They also both have range options if they're on the far side of a bottleneck. DK has dang grenades and if he shoots Aigis, it's gonna hurt. Bowser has fire breath and several good options just from SMRPG. Neither of them PREFER to fight that way but they're also not helpless to sit there while the other guy fights. --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! Stronger than the storms that they've shown you <cite>AriaOfBolo posted [p:971742355] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Eddv posted... </cite><quote>The X factor for me here is bowser. Is there even gonns be room for him to maneuver or is this gonna essentially be 2 1 on 1 fights in a cramped hallway?</quote>I think DK can make his own hallways, and possibly Bowser can too. They also both have range options if they're on the far side of a bottleneck. DK has dang grenades and if he shoots Aigis, it's gonna hurt. Bowser has fire breath and several good options just from SMRPG. Neither of them PREFER to fight that way but they're also not helpless to sit there while the other guy fights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dante 02/22/23 7:28:43 PM #10:	hello i am a structural engineer and in my expert opinion a gorilla with double strength is capable of breaking enough walls to down a 4 story dwelling thanks for coming to my ted talk --- boring and mundane signature Now with more bold! Less Italics due to bold <cite>Dante posted [p:971742386] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>hello i am a structural engineer and in my expert opinion a gorilla with double strength is capable of breaking enough walls to down a 4 story dwellingthanks for coming to my ted talk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 02/22/23 7:29:09 PM #11:	AriaOfBolo posted... I think Bowser is smart enough to use the numbers to his advantage and flank, if Aigis tries to kite to the rooftop like that. I'm also not sure Aigis is twice as fast as base DK. He's not FAST but he's got more agility than people think. She can probably get a few rounds of hit and run in but I don't think she can keep it up forever even if Mewtwo is dead. Right my question is mainly - does Aigis have the nukes/ does DK have the toughness --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://i.imgur.com/AWY4xHy.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:971742393] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>AriaOfBolo posted... </cite><quote>I think Bowser is smart enough to use the numbers to his advantage and flank, if Aigis tries to kite to the rooftop like that. I'm also not sure Aigis is twice as fast as base DK. He's not FAST but he's got more agility than people think. She can probably get a few rounds of hit and run in but I don't think she can keep it up forever even if Mewtwo is dead.</quote>Right my question is mainly - does Aigis have the nukes/ does DK have the toughness</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AriaOfBolo 02/22/23 7:30:16 PM #12:	Chaeix posted... say they're fighting on the roof and Aigis jumps off can she do that without ringout? >_> also if Aigis DOES manage to kite for a while I think this building is taking a lot of structural damage from my team and I don't think that's gonna help her. Like I'm picturing her fleeing down from the roof and my lads just....ground pounding the building down on her head. --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! Stronger than the storms that they've shown you <cite>AriaOfBolo posted [p:971742416] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Chaeix posted... </cite><quote>say they're fighting on the roof and Aigis jumps off</quote>can she do that without ringout? >_>also if Aigis DOES manage to kite for a while I think this building is taking a lot of structural damage from my team and I don't think that's gonna help her. Like I'm picturing her fleeing down from the roof and my lads just....ground pounding the building down on her head.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 02/22/23 7:30:42 PM #13:	https://youtu.be/pqUtAFr8y94?t=333 Odyssey bowser breaks down very large walls. I don't think he's gonna have much trouble here. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:971742426] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/pqUtAFr8y94?t=333Odyssey bowser breaks down very large walls. I don't think he's gonna have much trouble here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kamekguy 02/22/23 7:30:45 PM #14:	What is Aigis' response to DK throwing Bowser, rolled up in his shell to form a giant shell ball, at her? Need I remind you he has one of the strongest fastballs in Mario Superstar Baseball? I am only half joking. --- Mario Vs Cloud 2002: A Video Retrospective - https://youtu.be/1dx4t6H_K9Y Full Channel Available Here!: https://www.youtube.com/c/designingfor <cite>Kamekguy posted [p:971742427] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>What is Aigis' response to DK throwing Bowser, rolled up in his shell to form a giant shell ball, at her? Need I remind you he has one of the strongest fastballs in Mario Superstar Baseball?I am only half joking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dante 02/22/23 7:31:42 PM #15:	Kamekguy posted... What is Aigis' response to DK throwing Bowser, rolled up in his shell to form a giant shell ball, at her? Need I remind you he has one of the strongest fastballs in Mario Superstar Baseball? I am only half joking. i want this to happen so badly but unfortunately i don't see it happening until they have line of sight with aigis which isn't easy here --- boring and mundane signature Now with more bold! Less Italics due to bold <cite>Dante posted [p:971742441] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Kamekguy posted...</cite><quote>What is Aigis' response to DK throwing Bowser, rolled up in his shell to form a giant shell ball, at her? Need I remind you he has one of the strongest fastballs in Mario Superstar Baseball?I am only half joking.</quote>i want this to happen so badly but unfortunately i don't see it happening until they have line of sight with aigis which isn't easy here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 02/22/23 7:32:41 PM #16:	can the kooppa clown car be used on the rooftop? --- https://imgur.com/a/LEqiW https://imgur.com/iXHxhET <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:971742465] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>can the kooppa clown car be used on the rooftop?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chaeix 02/22/23 7:32:56 PM #17:	Eddv posted... Right my question is mainly - does Aigis have the nukes/ does DK have the toughness Aigis absolutely does - she has a complete arsenal of the following: A persona to fight alongside her and intercept DK Machine guns in her hands Rocket launchers in her shoulders Nuclear magic Persona physical attacks (God's Hand - giant fist that punches the target to do severe strike damage. And Agneyastra - she summons down a bunch of meteors) Double-ups and crossovers in Melee where she combos with her Persona Could go into more detail but the point is she has a lot of offensive options. --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs <cite>Chaeix posted [p:971742474] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Eddv posted... </cite><quote>Right my question is mainly - does Aigis have the nukes/ does DK have the toughness</quote>Aigis absolutely does - she has a complete arsenal of the following:A persona to fight alongside her and intercept DKMachine guns in her handsRocket launchers in her shouldersNuclear magicPersona physical attacks (God's Hand - giant fist that punches the target to do severe strike damage. And Agneyastra - she summons down a bunch of meteors)Double-ups and crossovers in Melee where she combos with her PersonaCould go into more detail but the point is she has a lot of offensive options.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dante 02/22/23 7:34:43 PM #18:	greengravy294 posted... can the kooppa clown car be used on the rooftop? new strategy use the clowncar to go vertically as high as possible, then jump out, ball up, and be a death nuke falling down at terminal velocity --- boring and mundane signature Now with more bold! Less Italics due to bold <cite>Dante posted [p:971742506] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>greengravy294 posted...</cite><quote>can the kooppa clown car be used on the rooftop?</quote>new strategy use the clowncar to go vertically as high as possible, then jump out, ball up, and be a death nuke falling down at terminal velocity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chaeix 02/22/23 7:34:44 PM #19:	Kamekguy posted... What is Aigis' response to DK throwing Bowser, rolled up in his shell to form a giant shell ball, at her? Need I remind you he has one of the strongest fastballs in Mario Superstar Baseball? I am only half joking. jump out of the way? she has kind of insane reflexes https://gfycat.com/dearbrilliantjapanesebeetle https://gfycat.com/snappyfirsthandkiwi --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs <cite>Chaeix posted [p:971742507] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Kamekguy posted... </cite><quote>What is Aigis' response to DK throwing Bowser, rolled up in his shell to form a giant shell ball, at her? Need I remind you he has one of the strongest fastballs in Mario Superstar Baseball?I am only half joking.</quote>jump out of the way?she has kind of insane reflexeshttps://gfycat.com/dearbrilliantjapanesebeetlehttps://gfycat.com/snappyfirsthandkiwi</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hbthebattle 02/22/23 7:34:55 PM #20:	seems like aigis kinda just gets shredded, Mewtwo or no. DK/Bowser can probably just destroy the dorm --- :) <cite>Hbthebattle posted [p:971742510] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>seems like aigis kinda just gets shredded, Mewtwo or no. DK/Bowser can probably just destroy the dorm</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chaeix 02/22/23 7:35:51 PM #21:	greengravy294 posted... can the kooppa clown car be used on the rooftop? it absolutely can but bowser being in the koopa car certainly makes him less useful in creating a meaningful numbers advantage and if aigis is worried at all, she just ducks back into the building. The real problem here is that any time DK and Bowser could potentially have an advantage, Aigis can mitigate by resetting and repositioning. --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs <cite>Chaeix posted [p:971742537] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>greengravy294 posted... </cite><quote>can the kooppa clown car be used on the rooftop?</quote>it absolutely can but bowser being in the koopa car certainly makes him less useful in creating a meaningful numbers advantage and if aigis is worried at all, she just ducks back into the building.The real problem here is that any time DK and Bowser could potentially have an advantage, Aigis can mitigate by resetting and repositioning.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AriaOfBolo 02/22/23 7:35:59 PM #22:	come to think of it I'm seeing a lot of arguments about taking the building down and DK/Bowser are both guys who'd resort to that pretty fast if somebody was being annoying and running away also I still think Mewtwo's alive --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! Stronger than the storms that they've shown you <cite>AriaOfBolo posted [p:971742540] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>come to think of itI'm seeing a lot of arguments about taking the building down and DK/Bowser are both guys who'd resort to that pretty fast if somebody was being annoying and running awayalso I still think Mewtwo's alive</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 02/22/23 7:36:24 PM #23:	Someone sell me on Mewtwo living or not living. I think that's what it comes down to. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:971742547] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Someone sell me on Mewtwo living or not living. I think that's what it comes down to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AriaOfBolo 02/22/23 7:37:04 PM #24:	Chaeix posted... and if aigis is worried at all, she just ducks back into the building. I would love her to do that, she'll get squished --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! Stronger than the storms that they've shown you <cite>AriaOfBolo posted [p:971742568] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Chaeix posted... </cite><quote>and if aigis is worried at all, she just ducks back into the building.</quote>I would love her to do that, she'll get squished</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 02/22/23 7:37:12 PM #25:	Dante posted... new strategy use the clowncar to go vertically as high as possible, then jump out, ball up, and be a death nuke falling down at terminal velocity Makes sense. --- https://imgur.com/a/LEqiW https://imgur.com/iXHxhET <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:971742573] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Dante posted... </cite><quote>new strategy use the clowncar to go vertically as high as possible, then jump out, ball up, and be a death nuke falling down at terminal velocity</quote>Makes sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chaeix 02/22/23 7:37:38 PM #26:	Hbthebattle posted... seems like aigis kinda just gets shredded, Mewtwo or no. DK/Bowser can probably just destroy the dorm If they destroy the dorm, they're doing it without taking Aigis down as collateral damage because she's staying away from their wanton destruction. She knows exactly where they are so I won't entertain the chance she's collateral or gets taken by surprise. It just makes a mess of debris that Aigis can jump around on/in and kite easily through. It really doesn't create an advantage for them. --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs <cite>Chaeix posted [p:971742581] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Hbthebattle posted... </cite><quote>seems like aigis kinda just gets shredded, Mewtwo or no. DK/Bowser can probably just destroy the dorm</quote>If they destroy the dorm, they're doing it without taking Aigis down as collateral damage because she's staying away from their wanton destruction. She knows exactly where they are so I won't entertain the chance she's collateral or gets taken by surprise.It just makes a mess of debris that Aigis can jump around on/in and kite easily through. It really doesn't create an advantage for them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dante 02/22/23 7:37:45 PM #27:	i personally don't think mewtwo lives but i also am currently leaning team nintendo anyway --- boring and mundane signature Now with more bold! Less Italics due to bold <cite>Dante posted [p:971742582] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>i personally don't think mewtwo lives but i also am currently leaning team nintendo anyway</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AriaOfBolo 02/22/23 7:38:45 PM #28:	Mewtwo59 posted... Someone sell me on Mewtwo living or not living. I think that's what it comes down to. Above average Def, high HP, Frenzy is just hitting you with a sword four times and is weaker than Luminaire IIRC and takes a very long time to kill bosses I'd put on a similar level to Mewtwo, I don't really think "shred" in the name matters --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! Stronger than the storms that they've shown you <cite>AriaOfBolo posted [p:971742596] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Mewtwo59 posted... </cite><quote>Someone sell me on Mewtwo living or not living. I think that's what it comes down to.</quote>Above average Def, high HP, Frenzy is just hitting you with a sword four times and is weaker than Luminaire IIRC and takes a very long time to kill bosses I'd put on a similar level to Mewtwo, I don't really think "shred" in the name matters</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AriaOfBolo 02/22/23 7:39:57 PM #29:	Chaeix posted... If they destroy the dorm, they're doing it without taking Aigis down as collateral damage because she's staying away from their wanton destruction. She knows exactly where they are so I won't entertain the chance she's collateral or gets taken by surprise. It just makes a mess of debris that Aigis can jump around on/in and kite easily through. It really doesn't create an advantage for them. how is she dodging being inside a collapsing building --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! Stronger than the storms that they've shown you <cite>AriaOfBolo posted [p:971742613] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Chaeix posted... </cite><quote>If they destroy the dorm, they're doing it without taking Aigis down as collateral damage because she's staying away from their wanton destruction. She knows exactly where they are so I won't entertain the chance she's collateral or gets taken by surprise.It just makes a mess of debris that Aigis can jump around on/in and kite easily through. It really doesn't create an advantage for them.</quote>how is she dodging being inside a collapsing building</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 02/22/23 7:40:34 PM #30:	Well my thought is basically - Mewtwo is dead - DK probably gets hit with 2 or 3 of Aigis most powerful attacks before he can close the distance - Bowser is probably setting the building on fire as this is happening - Either Aigis kills DK with the potshots and eventuallt wins or she doesnt and DK mangles her --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://i.imgur.com/AWY4xHy.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:971742626] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Well my thought is basically- Mewtwo is dead - DK probably gets hit with 2 or 3 of Aigis most powerful attacks before he can close the distance- Bowser is probably setting the building on fire as this is happening- Either Aigis kills DK with the potshots and eventuallt wins or she doesnt and DK mangles her</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LuisSera 02/22/23 7:41:18 PM #31:	So it sounds like there's no way outside of the building at all, so if it collapses it's collapsing on everyone. Even though a giant DK could feasibly manage that, I honestly don't think he would, he isn't a rabid psycho. Bowser... is more in the realm of possibility, but it'll take a lot longer for him to manage solo, to the point I don't think it's a viable strategy in a 2v1 against a stronger opponent (I am taking Mewtwo to be downed by the Triple Tech). Do I see Aigis and her persona managing a guerilla victory, knowing where DK is at all times? Probably, yes. Aigis --- "Eet's game time..." https://soundcloud.com/luissera/intro/s-VvkMJ <cite>LuisSera posted [p:971742647] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>So it sounds like there's no way outside of the building at all, so if it collapses it's collapsing on everyone. Even though a giant DK could feasibly manage that, I honestly don't think he would, he isn't a rabid psycho. Bowser... is more in the realm of possibility, but it'll take a lot longer for him to manage solo, to the point I don't think it's a viable strategy in a 2v1 against a stronger opponent (I am taking Mewtwo to be downed by the Triple Tech).Do I see Aigis and her persona managing a guerilla victory, knowing where DK is at all times? Probably, yes.Aigis</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dante 02/22/23 7:41:47 PM #32:	i see what you did there --- boring and mundane signature Now with more bold! Less Italics due to bold <cite>Dante posted [p:971742662] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>i see what you did there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hbthebattle 02/22/23 7:41:56 PM #33:	Chaeix posted... If they destroy the dorm, they're doing it without taking Aigis down as collateral damage because she's staying away from their wanton destruction. She knows exactly where they are so I won't entertain the chance she's collateral or gets taken by surprise. she knows where DK is at all times, but not Bowser. And you cant exactly dodge a building collapsing while youre inside it! --- :) <cite>Hbthebattle posted [p:971742663] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Chaeix posted... </cite><quote>If they destroy the dorm, they're doing it without taking Aigis down as collateral damage because she's staying away from their wanton destruction. She knows exactly where they are so I won't entertain the chance she's collateral or gets taken by surprise.</quote>she knows where DK is at all times, but not Bowser. And you cant exactly dodge a building collapsing while youre inside it!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AriaOfBolo 02/22/23 7:42:36 PM #34:	Also Aigis is hit with Psychic to start, she's starting down health and will probably be spending time to heal early on. I'll give her a few free hits but I'm not giving her BIG free hits AND healing AND buffing AND debuffing AND having to evade Bowser as well --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! Stronger than the storms that they've shown you <cite>AriaOfBolo posted [p:971742676] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Also Aigis is hit with Psychic to start, she's starting down health and will probably be spending time to heal early on. I'll give her a few free hits but I'm not giving her BIG free hits AND healing AND buffing AND debuffing AND having to evade Bowser as well</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chaeix 02/22/23 7:44:23 PM #35:	Mewtwo59 posted... Someone sell me on Mewtwo living or not living. I think that's what it comes down to. Mewtwo is absolutely not alive. Even if you're looking at it straight numerically, Frenzy should do more to Mewtwo. Crono's physical attack reaches 99 (or ) according to this guide - https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/563538-chrono-trigger/faqs/14837. may mean the power goes above 99 but I can't be sure. His magic only reaches 46 by max level. Luminaire is 50 base power and Frenzy is 29. So if you assume Crono's physical damage is 99+ vs. 46, this dual tech is a minimum of 1.07x stronger than last time. This is before you add the multiplier that's applied by virtue of it being in a dual tech. And generally speaking, even though Mewtwo's physical defense is the same as his Sp. Def - I will draw the distinction between 'being hit by a blast of light energy/magic' and 'being slashed by a sword a shitton of times'. Mewtwo is still ultimately a fleshy beast and a sword cutting should be intuitively more damaging than Luminaire in an FMV setting. There's also the distinct possibility of a defense debuff being applied through the notion of it shredding - but that's voter interp. The point is Mewtwo himself is being shredded with a sword while being impaled and shot. So if you thought Mewtwo narrowly survived last week, he really shouldn't be surviving this week. --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs <cite>Chaeix posted [p:971742711] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Mewtwo59 posted... </cite><quote>Someone sell me on Mewtwo living or not living. I think that's what it comes down to.</quote>Mewtwo is absolutely not alive. Even if you're looking at it straight numerically, Frenzy should do more to Mewtwo. Crono's physical attack reaches 99 (or ) according to this guide - https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/563538-chrono-trigger/faqs/14837. may mean the power goes above 99 but I can't be sure.His magic only reaches 46 by max level. Luminaire is 50 base power and Frenzy is 29. So if you assume Crono's physical damage is 99+ vs. 46, this dual tech is a minimum of 1.07x stronger than last time. This is before you add the multiplier that's applied by virtue of it being in a dual tech.And generally speaking, even though Mewtwo's physical defense is the same as his Sp. Def - I will draw the distinction between 'being hit by a blast of light energy/magic' and 'being slashed by a sword a shitton of times'. Mewtwo is still ultimately a fleshy beast and a sword cutting should be intuitively more damaging than Luminaire in an FMV setting.There's also the distinct possibility of a defense debuff being applied through the notion of it shredding - but that's voter interp. The point is Mewtwo himself is being shredded with a sword while being impaled and shot.So if you thought Mewtwo narrowly survived last week, he really shouldn't be surviving this week.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AriaOfBolo 02/22/23 7:45:02 PM #36:	LuisSera posted... So it sounds like there's no way outside of the building at all, so if it collapses it's collapsing on everyone. Even though a giant DK could feasibly manage that, I honestly don't think he would, he isn't a rabid psycho. Bowser... is more in the realm of possibility, but it'll take a lot longer for him to manage solo, to the point I don't think it's a viable strategy in a 2v1 against a stronger opponent (I am taking Mewtwo to be downed by the Triple Tech). Do I see Aigis and her persona managing a guerilla victory, knowing where DK is at all times? Probably, yes. Aigis The strat seems to be to run away, so who's going to stop them from both wrecking the place? Also DK is not known for his moderate temper, I don't think that's his first go-to but if he gets shot a few times without getting his mitts on the culprit, I see a temper tantrum incoming. --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! Stronger than the storms that they've shown you <cite>AriaOfBolo posted [p:971742723] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>LuisSera posted... </cite><quote>So it sounds like there's no way outside of the building at all, so if it collapses it's collapsing on everyone. Even though a giant DK could feasibly manage that, I honestly don't think he would, he isn't a rabid psycho. Bowser... is more in the realm of possibility, but it'll take a lot longer for him to manage solo, to the point I don't think it's a viable strategy in a 2v1 against a stronger opponent (I am taking Mewtwo to be downed by the Triple Tech).Do I see Aigis and her persona managing a guerilla victory, knowing where DK is at all times? Probably, yes.Aigis</quote>The strat seems to be to run away, so who's going to stop them from both wrecking the place? Also DK is not known for his moderate temper, I don't think that's his first go-to but if he gets shot a few times without getting his mitts on the culprit, I see a temper tantrum incoming.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chaeix 02/22/23 7:45:37 PM #37:	Hbthebattle posted... she knows where DK is at all times, but not Bowser. And you cant exactly dodge a building collapsing while youre inside it! She actually will know where Bowser is at all times as well - she has innate detection abilities from P4U that allowed her to detect plane hijackers and the weapons (or mock weapons) they were using without being near them. Unsure how far the range extends but it certainly means she's detecting Bowser before he gets close. --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs <cite>Chaeix posted [p:971742733] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Hbthebattle posted... </cite><quote>she knows where DK is at all times, but not Bowser. And you cant exactly dodge a building collapsing while youre inside it!</quote>She actually will know where Bowser is at all times as well - she has innate detection abilities from P4U that allowed her to detect plane hijackers and the weapons (or mock weapons) they were using without being near them. Unsure how far the range extends but it certainly means she's detecting Bowser before he gets close.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dante 02/22/23 7:45:54 PM #38:	i think dk destroys the place whether he intends to or not if he's chasing aigis he can't exactly fit through the doors --- boring and mundane signature Now with more bold! Less Italics due to bold <cite>Dante posted [p:971742740] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>i think dk destroys the place whether he intends to or not if he's chasing aigishe can't exactly fit through the doors</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hbthebattle 02/22/23 7:46:46 PM #39:	Dante posted... i think dk destroys the place whether he intends to or not if he's chasing aigis he can't exactly fit through the doors Neither can Bowser at Odyssey size! --- :) <cite>Hbthebattle posted [p:971742758] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Dante posted... </cite><quote>i think dk destroys the place whether he intends to or not if he's chasing aigishe can't exactly fit through the doors</quote>Neither can Bowser at Odyssey size!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AriaOfBolo 02/22/23 7:47:27 PM #40:	Pretty sure that, for all those numbers, Luminaire does more damage than Frenzy generally. Played CT recently and that's how I remember it, Frenzy was the more cost-effective option but not the stronger one against a normal opponent. --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! Stronger than the storms that they've shown you <cite>AriaOfBolo posted [p:971742772] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Pretty sure that, for all those numbers, Luminaire does more damage than Frenzy generally. Played CT recently and that's how I remember it, Frenzy was the more cost-effective option but not the stronger one against a normal opponent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AriaOfBolo 02/22/23 7:50:40 PM #41:	also DK gets cannoned through walls and stuff at base, he can take a few hits from Aigis --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! Stronger than the storms that they've shown you <cite>AriaOfBolo posted [p:971742835] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>also DK gets cannoned through walls and stuff at base, he can take a few hits from Aigis</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LuisSera 02/22/23 7:50:56 PM #42:	Chaeix posted... She actually will know where Bowser is at all times as well - she has innate detection abilities from P4U that allowed her to detect plane hijackers and the weapons (or mock weapons) they were using without being near them. Unsure how far the range extends but it certainly means she's detecting Bowser before he gets close. To be fair, I think anyone with ears (or artificial ones) will probably be able to make a fair bet on where Bowser is at all times. He's not going to be moving around like Sam Fisher. --- "Eet's game time..." https://soundcloud.com/luissera/intro/s-VvkMJ <cite>LuisSera posted [p:971742843] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Chaeix posted... </cite><quote>She actually will know where Bowser is at all times as well - she has innate detection abilities from P4U that allowed her to detect plane hijackers and the weapons (or mock weapons) they were using without being near them. Unsure how far the range extends but it certainly means she's detecting Bowser before he gets close.</quote>To be fair, I think anyone with ears (or artificial ones) will probably be able to make a fair bet on where Bowser is at all times. He's not going to be moving around like Sam Fisher.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 02/22/23 7:51:04 PM #43:	Dante posted... i think dk destroys the place whether he intends to or not if he's chasing aigis he can't exactly fit through the doors Right my contention is mostly "the need to go all kool aid man here is probably slowing him down and Aigis Tracking ability gives her the best chance possible to kill him while thats happening" Im not sure its enough but I lean that way --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://i.imgur.com/AWY4xHy.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:971742847] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Dante posted... </cite><quote>i think dk destroys the place whether he intends to or not if he's chasing aigishe can't exactly fit through the doors</quote>Right my contention is mostly "the need to go all kool aid man here is probably slowing him down and Aigis Tracking ability gives her the best chance possible to kill him while thats happening"Im not sure its enough but I lean that way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hbthebattle 02/22/23 7:51:42 PM #44:	If DK got ahold of Aigis, couldnt he just cargo-throw her out of bounds? --- :) <cite>Hbthebattle posted [p:971742854] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>If DK got ahold of Aigis, couldnt he just cargo-throw her out of bounds?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 02/22/23 7:52:09 PM #45:	AriaOfBolo posted... Pretty sure that, for all those numbers, Luminaire does more damage than Frenzy generally. Played CT recently and that's how I remember it, Frenzy was the more cost-effective option but not the stronger one against a normal opponent. This is indeed the case by level 99. Luminaire is like 25% stronger in practice due to how weapon damage shakes out IIRC (before defense or mdef). At standard end-of-game levels before you cap out stats, they're neck and neck, by comparison. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:971742869] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>AriaOfBolo posted... </cite><quote>Pretty sure that, for all those numbers, Luminaire does more damage than Frenzy generally. Played CT recently and that's how I remember it, Frenzy was the more cost-effective option but not the stronger one against a normal opponent.</quote>This is indeed the case by level 99. Luminaire is like 25% stronger in practice due to how weapon damage shakes out IIRC (before defense or mdef). At standard end-of-game levels before you cap out stats, they're neck and neck, by comparison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 02/22/23 7:52:14 PM #46:	AriaOfBolo posted... also DK gets cannoned through walls and stuff at base, he can take a few hits from Aigis I mean he also dies if an armadillo so much as touches him too; Im not sure what to make of DK --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://i.imgur.com/AWY4xHy.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:971742871] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>AriaOfBolo posted... </cite><quote>also DK gets cannoned through walls and stuff at base, he can take a few hits from Aigis</quote>I mean he also dies if an armadillo so much as touches him too; Im not sure what to make of DK</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 02/22/23 7:52:53 PM #47:	Hbthebattle posted... If DK got ahold of Aigis, couldnt he just cargo-throw her out of bounds? I mean if DK gets hold of her this is basically over, I just am unsure if he does. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://i.imgur.com/AWY4xHy.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:971742886] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Hbthebattle posted... </cite><quote>If DK got ahold of Aigis, couldnt he just cargo-throw her out of bounds?</quote>I mean if DK gets hold of her this is basically over, I just am unsure if he does.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AriaOfBolo 02/22/23 7:53:18 PM #48:	well TIL then! ....Is Crono Lv 99 though? anyway here's DK vs. missiles https://gfycat.com/considerateexaltedherring --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! Stronger than the storms that they've shown you <cite>AriaOfBolo posted [p:971742896] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>well TIL then! ....Is Crono Lv 99 though?anyway here's DK vs. missileshttps://gfycat.com/considerateexaltedherring</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chaeix 02/22/23 7:54:38 PM #49:	Hbthebattle posted... If DK got ahold of Aigis, couldnt he just cargo-throw her out of bounds? I mean yes but he's going to have a very difficult time getting ahold of her because she's got the terrain advantage, a speed advantage despite DK's buffs, and a persona to run interference. DK definitely won't be expecting a large durable magical being to appear suddenly in front of him so even with his reflexes (which are mitigated by Aigis having a reflex buff) he'll have issues https://gfycat.com/giganticthinannelida --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs <cite>Chaeix posted [p:971742922] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>Hbthebattle posted... </cite><quote>If DK got ahold of Aigis, couldnt he just cargo-throw her out of bounds?</quote>I mean yes but he's going to have a very difficult time getting ahold of her because she's got the terrain advantage, a speed advantage despite DK's buffs, and a persona to run interference. DK definitely won't be expecting a large durable magical being to appear suddenly in front of him so even with his reflexes (which are mitigated by Aigis having a reflex buff) he'll have issueshttps://gfycat.com/giganticthinannelida</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 02/22/23 7:54:54 PM #50:	AriaOfBolo posted... well TIL then! ....Is Crono Lv 99 though? anyway here's DK vs. missiles https://gfycat.com/considerateexaltedherring So youre saying its gonna take 3 missiles lol --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://i.imgur.com/AWY4xHy.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:971742925] in ~FIGHT!~ B... [t:80357395]...</cite> <quote>AriaOfBolo posted... </cite><quote>well TIL then! ....Is Crono Lv 99 though?anyway here's DK vs. missileshttps://gfycat.com/considerateexaltedherring</quote>So youre saying its gonna take 3 missiles lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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