Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 10: Try the Gagh

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wallmasterz
03/15/23 2:24:43 PM
#101:


I keep coming back to ctes/jc scum making the most sense. Hear me out on this possibility.

Death was scums kill n1.
Crescent was scanned by scum jc.
Ctes is Jack, but scum Jack. And his vig kill is actually the unblockable used on crescent n2 after jc scanned crescent n1.

in this scenario, Sultan exists as to counter jc.

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wallmasterz
03/15/23 2:26:04 PM
#102:


I shouldve said Crescent was tracked, not scanned. But my point stands.

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ctesjbuvf
03/15/23 2:39:35 PM
#104:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
This is how we got Lopen mislynched in XBC3 mafia. By framing his ideation as Scum behavior.

Not entirely, but it's more about player behavior. It should have never worked on Lopen because he always does that.

EDumey posted...
And what the hell response is this? Why are you getting so aggro and accusatory of Han RESPONDING TO THE HYPOTHETICAL THAT YOU PRESENTED?

Man don't act like I presented it because I told why I thought it was stupid to consider.

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ctesjbuvf
03/15/23 2:41:50 PM
#105:


I wonder what it means that me engaging with Wall had everyone acting like it didn't happen, but me engaging with Han sure got everyone awake.

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ctesjbuvf
03/15/23 2:44:03 PM
#106:


wallmasterz posted...
I keep coming back to ctes/jc scum making the most sense. Hear me out on this possibility.

Death was scums kill n1.
Crescent was scanned by scum jc.
Ctes is Jack, but scum Jack. And his vig kill is actually the unblockable used on crescent n2 after jc scanned crescent n1.

in this scenario, Sultan exists as to counter jc.

So we risked getting counterclaimed by vig, we deliberately didn't shoot power n1 and we risked that anyone else had visited BCT or Ulti? Cmon.

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wallmasterz
03/15/23 2:46:37 PM
#107:


I struggle with a game where scum seemingly has no night actions other than a single unblockable so far

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/15/23 2:48:32 PM
#108:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I wonder what it means that me engaging with Wall had everyone acting like it didn't happen, but me engaging with Han sure got everyone awake.

I thought I was around for this and just told Han to go take a look at this. Wall today hasn't look as good as Wall the last 2 days.

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PunishedBen
03/15/23 2:50:22 PM
#109:


I finished day 1

And holy crap I feel like I've been gaslit.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/15/23 2:50:47 PM
#110:


wallmasterz posted...
I struggle with a game where scum seemingly has no night actions other than a single unblockable so far

Well the could have but just haven't been caught I suppose. Like if Han is scum or if Lea is scum or if BenCT is scum or if you are a ninja.
I dont really like this argument at all actually.

All these Vanilla claims that haven't been proven. Yeah Ctes could be lying, JC could be Lying about being town. Both of them idk about thst though alot would have to add up for both of then to be scum.

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ctesjbuvf
03/15/23 2:53:43 PM
#111:


wallmasterz posted...
I struggle with a game where scum seemingly has no night actions other than a single unblockable so far

Only that we know of. It's just, well, yes there are technical options where it's possible, but you have to consider all the non-role technical aspects that need to be true for it to happen, which I'm trying to point out.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I thought I was around for this and just told Han to go take a look at this. Wall today hasn't look as good as Wall the last 2 days.

It's exaggerated a bit, but this sure drew a lot more attention.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/23 2:55:07 PM
#112:


ctesjbuvf posted...
So we risked getting counterclaimed by vig, we deliberately didn't shoot power n1 and we risked that anyone else had visited BCT or Ulti? Cmon.

Which might just mean it makes more sense for you to be Scum alone?

A vig in 14 isn't necessarily likely. JC as Town scans the other Scum target. Ulti saves Crescent, then probably JC N3?

I'll give you this much Ctes - you're right in that there's a lot of pieces that have to be in play for it to make sense.

If all of you are Town, however, the PoE reduces massively to be just... Ben and Wall.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/23 2:59:56 PM
#114:


wallmasterz posted...
But at the same time i am torn because while scum would need some serious firepower, town having a bp doctor and jack with an EK is wow.

Looking back at the posts Sultan highlighted, I don't like this particularly sentence from Wall. Otherwise, I can see where you jumped from Sultan, but frankly Wall had enough answers from them that I don't really see anything as damning.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/23 3:01:43 PM
#115:


UltimaterializerX posted...
##Unvote
##Vote: Han

This should get activity going lmao

Maybe it's just Ulti who is Scum and there is no Doctor, given Ulti is admitting to not even reading the topic right now.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/23 3:03:11 PM
#116:


115 posts in this topic and I am 37 of them.

I have directly tried to talk to you too, and you've completely ignored me.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/15/23 3:03:11 PM
#117:


##note:Ulti

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/15/23 3:04:20 PM
#118:


Also the real question how many times this game will Ben post in the wrong topic

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/23 3:05:16 PM
#120:


UltimaterializerX posted...
I did read.

Why do you think Chris was so willing to do what Ben pointed out? If Han flips town just kill me tomorrow.

That is a classic day one Scum Chris play that hes pulled on teammates at least 10 times that I can think of.

Okay.

Name all 10 times.

Right now.

And then tell me in how many of them Chris died like a wet fart.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/23 3:08:42 PM
#124:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Haha nice.

Uncountered protection. Try again.

Ctes literally claimed protection.

Try again.

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PunishedBen
03/15/23 3:08:57 PM
#126:


Alright so there were two pushes to vote Chris. The first was 6 hours before day ended. Ulti was the one to bring Chris to 2 votes. Then Lea followed. Sultan followed. Han did not want to follow this one. Yes, this is consistent with him not wanting to lynch Chris. He was indeed much more interested in lynching Death, all the way until the last few minutes of the day phase. But this consistency means little to me because the fact is Chris was scum and Death was town

UltimaterializerX posted...
##Unvote
##Vote: Chris

Theyre all cowards so Ill do it. Lets have fun.

You can soul read me easier than anyone, so you KNOW Im town. Putting me on a kill list is weak.

HanOfTheNekos posted...
I'm not voting Chris and tbh if I didn't move my vote onto Death it'd be moved onto you.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


HanOfTheNekos posted...
No.

But if this is where we're going then I'm going to do the responsible thing and put my phone down for the rest of the day.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
You know what
I'm going to follow Ulti on this one. I was worried I was on the same wave length but Ulti knows Chris better than most

##unvote
##vote:Chris

SirChris posted...


Needless to say regardless of Han's alignment him and I are not vibing at all this game.

This is the last post Chris makes before switching off of Han and going for Sultan.

next will be the conclusions I have drawn about the end of day. The second Chris push

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/23 3:11:36 PM
#129:


UltimaterializerX posted...
I did read.



UltimaterializerX posted...
Did ctes change his claim when I wasnt looking?

Can't even hold a lie for 5 posts .


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TheSultanOfSlam
03/15/23 3:15:42 PM
#130:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Haha nice.

Uncountered protection. Try again.

You realize it says note, yes?

This reaction is very arrogant though

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/15/23 3:16:24 PM
#132:


Also it want even bolded lol

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/23 3:16:49 PM
#133:


Ulti:

HanOfTheNekos posted...
Okay.

Name all 10 times.

Right now.

And then tell me in how many of them Chris died like a wet fart.


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PunishedBen
03/15/23 3:17:02 PM
#134:




Obellisk posted...
(Should Be Accurate) Votals:
[4] death - JC, (Lea), (Chris), Han, EDumey, Lea
[3] Han - (BCT), (Chris), Death, Chris, Ulti
[2] Ulti - (Chris), (BCT), Sultan, BCT
[1] Lea - Sheep
[1] Sultan - ctes, (Chris), (Ulti)
[0] Chris - (Ulti), (Lea), (Sultan)
[0] JC - (Han), (Ulti), (Sultan)
[0] Sheep - (Chris), (Han), (Lea), (EDumey), (Wallmasterz)
[0] EDumey - (Ulti), (Ulti)
[0] Ctes - (Sultan)
[0] Wall - (BCT), (BCT)
[0] BCT - (Ulti)

(If you notice a discrepancy please let me know.)

Day ends in 40ish minutes.
These are votals when Lea votes Chris. Chris has zero votes. So yes, while lea technically started the second train on him, it doesnt clear Lea as town imo. Lea does have a reputation to uphold for voting correctly end of day 1!

[3] Chris - (Ulti), (Lea), (Sultan), Lea, Ulti, Sultan,
[3] death - JC, (Lea), (Chris), Han, EDumey, (Lea)
[3] Han - (BCT), (Chris), Death, Chris, (Ulti), Sheep
[1] Ulti - (Chris), (BCT), (Sultan), (BCT), Wall, (BCT)
[1] Sultan - ctes, (Chris), (Ulti)
[0] Lea - (Sheep)
[0] JC - (Han), (Ulti), (Sultan)
[0] Sheep - (Chris), (Han), (Lea), (EDumey), (Wallmasterz)
[0] EDumey - (Ulti), (Ulti)
[0] Ctes - (Sultan)
[0] Wall - (BCT), (BCT)
[0] BCT - (Ulti)

THIS is the votals when Han votes for Chris. Chris, himself, and Death are all tied with 3 votes. Han is already on Death, so he cannot sustain going that direction. Chris is the one gaining momentum at this time - not Death. Death hasnt gotten a new vote since he claimed vanilla.

Han switches to Chris at 7:59, and makes the votes

[4] Chris - (Ulti), (Lea), (Sultan), Lea, Ulti, Sultan, Han
[3] Han - (BCT), (Chris), Death, Chris, (Ulti), Sheep
[2] death - JC, (Lea), (Chris), (Han), EDumey, (Lea)

THIS IS PURELY SELF PRESERVATION

Boys, Han and lea are back on the menu

Also, Sheep disliked both Han and lea at end of day. Spirit animal agrees.

##Vote: Han


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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/23 3:17:24 PM
#136:


Ulti:
HanOfTheNekos posted...
Ulti, there's a significant reason why Dumey doesn't make sense as Scum. Can you identify it?


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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/23 3:18:42 PM
#138:


Glad to know that Ben's conclusion is that Lea, Chris, and I are all bad Scum.

Very smert

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/23 3:19:49 PM
#140:


If I was Scum and Lea is my Scummate and the plan is to save me...

then why don't I switch to Chris more decisively?

That is such a dumb argument, Ben.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/23 3:21:25 PM
#141:


UltimaterializerX posted...
I actually cannot ID the Dumey point no. And where did ctes change his claim again and what is it now.

If you're not going to read the topics, then the least you could do is respond to everything directed at you before having the gall to demand answers while intentionally lying to the other players.

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wallmasterz
03/15/23 3:22:05 PM
#142:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
If I was Scum and Lea is my Scummate and the plan is to save me...

then why don't I switch to Chris more decisively?

That is such a dumb argument, Ben.

An aversion to theatrics and clown makeup?


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PunishedBen
03/15/23 3:22:39 PM
#144:


Recap: Chris engaged with Han first. Made many statements that forced Han into an "This is either me or you"

He said if Han flips town to lynch him. Which to me implies he was not expecting Han to flip town

Han was forced to lynch Chris at the end of day. The other options were either Han getting voted out or someone else coming in to steal the kudos.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/23 3:23:51 PM
#147:


Lea: Starts a counter-lynch on Scummate instead of taking the open mislynch on Death that is right there
Chris: Pushes a Scummate all day instead of an open mislynch on Death that is right there, then also flops and dies
Han: Has supposedly a planned countertrain on his Scummate to save him and he avoids it, getting rid of the opportunity for himself to look good despite the whole thing being "planned"

I'm insulted by this. But Ben is Scum trying to get a mislynch so I suppose I won't take it personally.

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PunishedBen
03/15/23 3:24:50 PM
#148:


I think all reasons Han gave for voting Chris were just as legitimate as the reasons Chris gave for voting Han. I looked for anything showing that Chris accidentally town confirmed Han and I did not find it.

I think Ulti's reactions to Chris voting him was a good look for Ulti.

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EDumey
03/15/23 3:26:03 PM
#149:


PunishedBen posted...
Han switches to Chris at 7:59, and makes the votes

[4] Chris - (Ulti), (Lea), (Sultan), Lea, Ulti, Sultan, Han
[3] Han - (BCT), (Chris), Death, Chris, (Ulti), Sheep
[2] death - JC, (Lea), (Chris), (Han), EDumey, (Lea)

THIS IS PURELY SELF PRESERVATION

Boys, Han and lea are back on the menu

Also, Sheep disliked both Han and lea at end of day. Spirit animal agrees.

##Vote: Han
None of this is new information. We know that Han was the one to break the tie. The point is that it was to lynch scum Chris.

Also how does Han making a self preservation vote implicate Lea in this again?

I feel like you're making some leaps here that I'm not quite able to follow you on.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/23 3:26:10 PM
#150:


wallmasterz posted...
An aversion to theatrics and clown makeup?

I know you're trying to be cute, but "an aversion to playing smart or winning" would be the correct answer.

PunishedBen posted...
Recap: Chris tried to mislynch Han

He tried to mislynch Han

Han was forced to lynch Chris at the end of day. The other options were either Han getting voted out. Other people already stole the kudos.



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