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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
06/17/23 2:43:16 AM
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*wave*

Hello to everyone who has followed this now series of topics?

For those who are coming in for the first time, my wife is attempting to utilize MAID, which stands for medical assistance in death. She is 32 years old and she has a multitude of different medical conditions which makes daily life just not something she wants to continue. I will list what those things are for those who question what life can look like for someone who wants to die on a daily basis.

Ehlers Danlos - It is a connective tissue problem where your body does not produce/use collagen properly. It causes anything from your body being so "lax" that your joints pop out of place (not like you're double jointed, it's painful) all the way to ripping major organs cause collagen is needed to hold shit together. My wife does not have the most aggressive/degenerative type, but it has been bad enough she has had to get a pacemaker at the age of 25. Many people with her type of Ehlers end up dying by their early to mid 40's due to a fall and a major organ failure. Another side effect is her teeth suffer from decalcification. We've probably spent 5-6k to try and keep her teeth in working order. She couldn't get them pulled and get dentures because of...

MCAS (Mast Cell Activation Syndrome) - Imagine your immune system is an army. Your army mobilizes for threats and fights them. For a small cold it sends you know, a small regiment. For something like COVID, sends a big army. If you are allergic to something, your body sends in a big army and kinda goes nuclear, seeing it as a threat even though it is not. MCAS is when your body feels most everything is an allergy and sends the big guns. My wife has MCAS reactions (similar to allergic reactions) to more things than not. She cannot drink tap water, she cannot use laundry detergent, she eats basically rice noodles, turkey, and raspberries most days. She supplements with multi-vitamins and Ensure when needed. She basically takes 3-4 Benadryl a day just to ensure her body doesn't totally break out in hives. Almost all meds cause her vicious side effects that make treatment for ANYTHING nearly impossible. So she has no pain management for her Ehlers, which you could imagine as being awful, and also no medication options for...

Anxiety/Stress/Depression - Due to all the physical maladies, my wife has extensive anxiety, stress, and depression. All of which cannot be treated with medication of any kind. She spends a lot of energy in the day trying to abate panic attacks. She is kinda in a consistent state of depression as she feels horrible about the position her medical puts me in. She cannot work and due to the two previous issues her medical expenses are fairly high. She doesn't believe herself to be my partner and only sees herself as a burden.

Long Covid - We both got COVID back in September. I worked full time throughout COVID and honestly it was only a matter of time. My wife's overall health in every facet has never been the same since we got COVID. I fully recovered, she never did.

MAID is a complicated process in Canada. You have to find two medical assessors to agree that MAID is appropriate. The laws are written mostly for Cancer patients where death is assured (like, it was mostly designed for Cancer patients who had 6 months to live to allow them to stop treatment and die in peace rather than deteriorate further) so any other situations are assessed patient by patient. The laws for those where death is not assured are written vaguely. The idea being that it will let medical professionals make the right decisions for their patients. In practice it means every doctor willing to do MAID assessments have their own interpretation of the law. Here in Saskatchewan, my wife was denied. The assessors determined that while my wife is not doing as well as people her own age and that she is suffering from medical problems, she could still potentially live many more years. They didn't care that my wife DOESN'T WANT TO LIVE through all this and doesn't want to just wait for the worst things to happen. Saskatchewan process took from September 2022 - January 2023 to get the no.

In Canada, every province does health differently. MAID is a federal law, but each province deals with health how they want. Dying with Dignity told us to try a doctor in BC. Thankfully she was far more understanding and gave my wife a yes. Initially we were going to go down to her clinic in Vancouver to meet with a colleague June 23rd. He had to back out due to personal reasons and instead we were referred to a DIFFERENT doctor here in Saskatchewan. He spoke with my wife earlier today to get some initial questions answered and, for lack of a better term, seemed like a condescending jerk who was more concerned about how my wife heard about MAID and why she would want that so young rather than her actual physical conditions and how they impact her daily health. My wife is anticipating him saying no... but won't get back to her to set up anything until June 26th... which initially would have been the date my wife could have used MAID if the original second assessor visit in Vancouver could have taken place.

That's a lot of information. I will do another post here to talk more about how I'm dealing with things being the sole provider for my wife.

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
06/17/23 3:07:52 AM
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About my wife and I.

My wife is estranged from her family. Her father was abusive and she ran away from home at 14. Her mom didn't believe her for like... a year after that, but did leave him eventually and my wife and her mother moved in together. Her brother didn't believe the abuse happened and stayed with dad.

Her mom, we are pretty sure, is struggling with alcoholism and bi-polar. Eventually it got to the point where she would one week give us money to buy something like a new kitchen chair, and the next week would berate my wife and say all she ever does is leach all her money, and she is a waste, and that she is the reason her marriage failed, etc. We eventually broke all contact.

My family is honestly wonderful. My siblings and I are like best friends, my parents are supportive, I have a wonderful support system. Due to my wife's upbringing and her own personal views on how family should be supportive and some mistakes my family has made in regards to my wife's allergies and MCAS, she does not feel supported by them. I can't blame her, they made some really silly mistakes that shouldn't have been made (my wife has a latex allergy... we would come over for a birthday party and there would be latex balloons everywhere. Like... c'mon guys, really?!) and they have lost any trust she could have for them. She does not expect me to stay away from my family and encourages me to see them, be over for dinner, etc. I don't always take those opportunities, wanting to stay home to be a caregiver for my wife.

How have I been handling all this? I have a psychologist that has helped me with a lot of my own troubles I've had in handling this. Being a caregiver to a sick/dying partner has led me to minimize how difficult it is on me to be in that position. For MANY years I downplayed how hard and taxing this all is on me since it is obviously more overtly difficult for my wife.

I struggled with feelings of incredible guilt and self-loathing about wanting all this to be done and "wrapped up". This has been an 8-9 month journey so far just with MAID. I've been a caregiver for a sick partner realistically the last 5-6 years. I've worked a full time job while coming home to care for my wife. I've missed out on a great deal of my 30's to be that person my wife needs. Being the ONLY person my wife can count on for all that.

I don't resent my wife nor the situation I choose to continue to be involved in. I struggled a great deal to get to the point of being able to say that I want to get my wife to the point of being able to lay down her burdens with grace and giving myself the opportunity to start the next phase of my life.

I cry in my car sometimes since I feel I can't do that in front of my wife. I don't want to make her feel worse about what she has put me through. Today when my wife called me to tell me the second assessor was an asshole and she wept about how she is sure that we will get another no and have to try other options again... I was angry, defeated, and so tired. I went over to my older sisters and just wept in her arms and had a self pity-party, for lack of a better word. I just needed fifteen minutes to feel sorry for myself and let that all go before going back to be the best husband, support, and caregiver I can be.

I worry about how long I can keep doing this. I will do it until my wife gets the graceful ending she fucking deserves, but the concept of this taking months and months more feels like climbing a fucking mountain. It scares me at times that I won't be able to do it. I know I will, it is just the greatest fear of my life right now.

I'm very proud of the fact I can be open with those feelings. I used to be so ashamed of myself for feeling this way I would deny it and shrug everything off. I would try to convince myself that everything is fine and that none of this impacts me. It does and it is OK for me to just want this entire portion of our lives to end with what my wife wants and then moving on to do what I want to do. I don't dare tell my wife these things because she would just encourage me to leave her. I will take this journey with her because it is what I want to do, it is what is right, and it is what she deserves. I love every bit of this woman, even if what I do for that love is some of the hardest shit I ever have to do.

As sad as all that seems, I am honestly OK. I've been in grief for years now, small little ones here and there. I grieved when I realized I would significantly outlive my wife. I grieved when I realized we couldn't possibly have the life we wanted to have together. I grieved when she could no longer work and felt worthless while I had to become the sole provider. I grieved when she sat me down and told me she did not want to continue to live and deteriorate anymore. I grieved when we were told no here in Saskatchewan... and I grieved today when my wife told me she thought the same damn thing was going to happen.

I'm happy at most parts of the day. I enjoy my family and the time we spend together. I love my work and the support they have shown me through this process. I adore my wife and the fact that even in these darkest of times we can still sit together on the couch, watch some anime or a movie, and have a stupid little argument about how good it was. I love that on a 10 point scale she will almost ALWAYS rate something lower than I will. I love that to keep herself busy at home she plays Japanese crane games and has won over 330 items with like... maybe 500 dollars total investment! I love that she drives me to be the absolute best person I can be every single day.

And I love that every day I come home from work she has a big smile on her face and after twelve years and all the fucking garbage she's had to put up with, we just want to spend as many hours together as we can. Not because the end is coming soon, but because it is what brings us joy.

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KaZooo
06/17/23 3:27:27 AM
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*track*

Glad that through all the lows, the process still finds it's way upward.
As much as it's been rough, you two have been living a life. The situation is definitely not something you go out of way to look for, but it must've given you a very unique outlook on life.

Continuing to hope for the best.

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DnDer
06/17/23 4:43:11 AM
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
Hello to everyone who has followed this now series of topics?

If you haven't already, I think you should screenshot or somehow scrape your other topics in order to save them. Like you said in 499 in your last topic, using these threads as a kind of diary or memorial or reflection on the process and good memories is an awesome thing for you. It shouldn't be lost because GF doesn't archive properly.

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JumpstyIe
06/17/23 4:54:28 AM
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
I'm very proud of the fact I can be open with those feelings. I used to be so ashamed of myself for feeling this way I would deny it and shrug everything off. I would try to convince myself that everything is fine and that none of this impacts me. It does and it is OK for me to just want this entire portion of our lives to end with what my wife wants and then moving on to do what I want to do. I don't dare tell my wife these things because she would just encourage me to leave her. I will take this journey with her because it is what I want to do, it is what is right, and it is what she deserves. I love every bit of this woman, even if what I do for that love is some of the hardest shit I ever have to do.

you are the strongest person on CE, bar none, and deserve every bit of rest and closure that the end can bring. i hope you and your wife get what you want for her and yourself. i know a stranger's words on the internet can seem fake, and i wont pretend to understand what youre going through, but i want you to know that i care and wish you both the best.

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dummy420
06/17/23 8:47:40 AM
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I am still wishing you and your wife the best. I am sure this is the hardest thing to go through but your support for her is amazing.

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BlazinBlue88
06/17/23 9:41:24 AM
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DnDer posted...
If you haven't already, I think you should screenshot or somehow scrape your other topics in order to save them. Like you said in 499 in your last topic, using these threads as a kind of diary or memorial or reflection on the process and good memories is an awesome thing for you. It shouldn't be lost because GF doesn't archive properly.
That's a good idea. Do it sooner rather than later. That topic will be purged in a day or so.

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Sariana21
06/17/23 12:15:10 PM
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DnDer posted...
If you haven't already, I think you should screenshot or somehow scrape your other topics in order to save them. Like you said in 499 in your last topic, using these threads as a kind of diary or memorial or reflection on the process and good memories is an awesome thing for you. It shouldn't be lost because GF doesn't archive properly.
Yes to this. Keep a copy of everything for yourself, especially those stories/memories you said you were planning to share.

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TaylorHeinicke
06/17/23 12:25:26 PM
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We're here with you holmes

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berlyman101
06/17/23 12:29:29 PM
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This is a courageous thing to share. Would you mind if I gave a shout out on a podcast I'm planning to do with my housemate? Not very many people listen to it but if it goes well I might share it here.

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Secret_Asian_Man
06/17/23 12:36:20 PM
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Just saw the previous topic last night and read most of your posts throughout. Your name is familiar. Did you ever post in the Random Insanity board?

I don't know what to say. I hope you sharing this helps you process things and bring awareness and compassion to people seeking MAID, and the experience of the caretakers.
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darkmaian23
06/17/23 1:44:50 PM
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
Due to my wife's upbringing and her own personal views on how family should be supportive and some mistakes my family has made in regards to my wife's allergies and MCAS, she does not feel supported by them. I can't blame her, they made some really silly mistakes that shouldn't have been made (my wife has a latex allergy... we would come over for a birthday party and there would be latex balloons everywhere. Like... c'mon guys, really?!)

This is a minor point given all that you've got going on, but if at any point you find yourself feeling resentful of your family for not getting the allergy issue, it might help to know that nobody gets it. I have a latex allergy---it's easily the worst part of my being a disabled person. Latex rubber can be hiding anywhere. Family and friends either forget, think you're making it up, or fail to appreciate the horror. Doctors, nurses, physical therapists---they don't get it either. Doctors know what it is but don't understand the implications; nurses have heard of it but don't really know what it is; physical therapists only have some vague understanding that things aren't made of latex anymore but don't know why and think that box of old rubber items they keep in the back cupboard is totally cool.

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
06/17/23 8:50:30 PM
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berlyman101 posted...
This is a courageous thing to share. Would you mind if I gave a shout out on a podcast I'm planning to do with my housemate? Not very many people listen to it but if it goes well I might share it here.

That is fine.

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
06/17/23 8:55:42 PM
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I said I would share some little thing about my wife daily beyond all this stuff.

We met at University as we had two classes together. She sat in the front of the class because she had a recording pen to record the lecture. I sat in the back due to having outlets for my computer. I noticed her walk past me daily because my God she is sexy and in the words of Pacino... "SHE GOT A GREAT ASS!!!"

Anyways she ended up fracturing her shin and had to sit in the back with crutches. I hadn't spoken to her before and we started chatting. I mentioned I worked at a video game store and she said she liked video games. I was sus cause she is gorgeous... how lucky could I be that she is a gorgeous gamer. I asked her what games she liked and she listed off fucking Link to the Past and Street Fighter 2.

I remember basically pushing the person who sat between us back to lean over to ask her what other SNES games she liked.

Got her number later that week. I thought score, got her number while my wife thought I wanted to bum lecture notes off her because mine were crap. XD

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SHRlKE
06/18/23 5:28:58 AM
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As long as the mods agree Id be more than happy to contribute to any go fund me or charity you and your wife chooses. Either now or at a later date.

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KaZooo
06/18/23 1:54:10 PM
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
I said I would share some little thing about my wife daily beyond all this stuff.

We met at University as we had two classes together. She sat in the front of the class because she had a recording pen to record the lecture. I sat in the back due to having outlets for my computer. I noticed her walk past me daily because my God she is sexy and in the words of Pacino... "SHE GOT A GREAT ASS!!!"

Anyways she ended up fracturing her shin and had to sit in the back with crutches. I hadn't spoken to her before and we started chatting. I mentioned I worked at a video game store and she said she liked video games. I was sus cause she is gorgeous... how lucky could I be that she is a gorgeous gamer. I asked her what games she liked and she listed off fucking Link to the Past and Street Fighter 2.

I remember basically pushing the person who sat between us back to lean over to ask her what other SNES games she liked.

Got her number later that week. I thought score, got her number while my wife thought I wanted to bum lecture notes off her because mine were crap. XD

That's a nice memory bro. I know one of my friends had things kick off at the back of his class too, but it went the other way around (she approaching him) lol. Hope being able to look back on things like this keeps you up. It doesn't happen to everyone.

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
06/19/23 1:43:09 AM
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More memories with my wife.

Our first "date" almost never happened. As we were getting to know each other, I let her know that I had a degree in Political Studies (We were both working on our Education degree when we met)... which coincidentally was a class she was struggling in a bit. Seeing my opportunity to spend time with her, I offered to help her out with an upcoming paper. We agreed to meet at the library on campus.

Now, something you need to know about me... despite getting two degrees, I barely spent any time at the library. I got by with doing my papers at home and relying on online journal articles to satisfy research. My wife is a "let's look at fucking microfiche" type researcher for her stuff. She spent a lot of time there. Anyways, we agree to meet up at the library, on the main floor.

I show up on the first floor like, 15 minutes early. I wanna make a good impression. I wait 15 minutes, nothing. I wait another 15 minutes, nothing. Then I get a call from her and she is pissed. She asks me where I am and I explain that I've been at the library now for the past half an hour. Apparently in her mind she is thinking I'm full of shit, but it turns out that for the library, the "main floor" is considered the second floor... not the first floor. My future wife was five minutes away from walking out the door and telling me to go fuck myself for standing her up. XD

We spent a good two hours together working on her paper and then I asked her out to eat. She tells me flat out she isn't looking to date anyone and without skipping a beat I say, "OK, but are you hungry? You can buy your own food but I'm hungry. If you're hungry, we can go eat"

We went to a great little Mexican place... and found excuses to spend more time together from that day forward.

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DnDer
06/19/23 1:51:34 AM
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
but it turns out that for the library, the "main floor" is considered the second floor...

Isn't that par for Canada, and just about anywhere that isn't America? "First floor" is the "first floor above ground floor?"

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Noname12
06/19/23 1:53:10 AM
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If this doctor says no, whats the option from there? It sounds like a possibility that it is not going to happen

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
06/19/23 1:55:36 AM
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Noname12 posted...
If this doctor says no, whats the option from there? It sounds like a possibility that it is not going to happen

My wife has a meeting with the first assessor in the morning, so she will ask her what it looks like if the second assessor says no. There are no real rules against my wife finding a second doctor willing to do it basically anywhere, so she could reach out to other doctors all over Canada if she wants to?

It is kinda a grey area.

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KaZooo
06/19/23 2:00:04 AM
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
"OK, but are you hungry? You can buy your own food but I'm hungry. If you're hungry, we can go eat"

I'm using this.

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
06/20/23 10:26:38 AM
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More updates!

My wife spoke with the first assessor and she was pissed. She was upset how the second assessor seemed to care about my wife's background, how she found out about MAID, etc. She also gave us some more clarity about why her initial second assessor backed out.

Seems that many doctors are facing challenges and harassment for seeing out-of-province patients. It is not illegal and nothing bad can come of it realistically, but many doctors do not want to have to deal with all that bullshit and garbage legal challenges, etc. etc. So, most have chosen to not handle out-of-province patients until the law is further cleared up. Not out of any malice or anything like that, they just don't want to have to deal with all the backlash... which we understand.

First assessor has said that if the second assessor says no, she is comfortable literally having my wife come to BC, lie that she is moving here, and get MAID before we would have to "buy or rent" anywhere in BC. She is very much willing to challenge the status-quo and do what is right for her patients. Ideally the second assessor just says yes, or we can convince another doctor in Saskatchewan to say yes, but I like that she is willing to really go for it to give me wife what she ultimately wants.

My wife also met with her geneticist yesterday (the guy treating her Ehlers Danlos) and he agreed that after trying one last med, if that doesn't go well, he will write a letter stating that he has done everything he can and he believes it is cruel to have her continue trying to fight all her illnesses.

So... not exactly IDEAL news, but not terrible news I guess?

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DarthDemented
06/20/23 2:12:30 PM
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So does that mean just a little longer?

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
06/20/23 2:21:19 PM
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DarthDemented posted...
So does that mean just a little longer?

Ideally? The first assessor is in this for the long haul.

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DarkAssassin89
06/20/23 2:23:36 PM
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MAID should be a streamlined process available to everyone, irregardless of age or health.

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
06/20/23 2:36:28 PM
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DarkAssassin89 posted...
MAID should be a streamlined process available to everyone, irregardless of age or health.

I obviously agree, lol

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DarthDemented
06/20/23 3:01:21 PM
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I actually got to thinking about you and your wife last night and how this was your last week together. It's sounding like you get a little longer?

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Supaitwo
06/20/23 4:31:08 PM
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DarkAssassin89 posted...
MAID should be a streamlined process available to everyone, irregardless of age or health.

I have to disagree due to depression being a thing.

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SHRlKE
06/20/23 4:36:43 PM
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Supaitwo posted...
I have to disagree due to depression being a thing.

I dont think it should be a hard no or a hard yes. There is nuance to be found here. This probably isnt the topic for it though.

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Supaitwo
06/20/23 4:38:16 PM
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SHRlKE posted...
I dont think it should be a hard no or a hard yes. There is nuance to be found here. This probably isnt the topic for it though.

Someone with depression or suicidal thoughts due to life events shouldnt be given easy access to suicide. But obviously in terms of medical reasons then yes it should be easier.

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Bass
06/20/23 4:43:41 PM
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I'm sorry your wife is still having to fight for this. I know this whole process has to be very tough on her and you.

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KaZooo
06/20/23 4:48:24 PM
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
My wife also met with her geneticist yesterday (the guy treating her Ehlers Danlos) and he agreed that after trying one last med, if that doesn't go well, he will write a letter stating that he has done everything he can and he believes it is cruel to have her continue trying to fight all her illnesses.
It's a little crazy to see it come to that, needing a letter from someone insisting a person should exercise a right to go.

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DarthDemented
06/20/23 4:52:03 PM
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KaZooo posted...
It's a little crazy to see it come to that, needing a letter from someone insisting a person should exercise a right to go.
Hell I'm pretty sure there's some states where it's illegal to commit suicide. That's only if you fail.

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
06/20/23 5:19:45 PM
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I understand the nuance. I work with Youth who suffer from suicidal ideation and depression. Easy access to MAID wouldn't be that you are depressed and thus you get it.

Ideally how it should work is that unless you are in obvious horrible decline (like cancer with 6 months to live) you are put on a list for 90 days where you are also forced to see mental health services to continue down the path. Maybe with mental health access people get meds and change their minds...

Honestly mental health and dental should be part of universal health care anyways.

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SHRlKE
06/20/23 6:19:29 PM
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Dental is a weird one. In the UK with the NHS dental has never been a part of the conversation. Even going back decades before it turned into the shower of shite its in now. No idea why.

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DarkAssassin89
06/20/23 6:31:39 PM
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
I understand the nuance. I work with Youth who suffer from suicidal ideation and depression. Easy access to MAID wouldn't be that you are depressed and thus you get it.

Ideally how it should work is that unless you are in obvious horrible decline (like cancer with 6 months to live) you are put on a list for 90 days where you are also forced to see mental health services to continue down the path. Maybe with mental health access people get meds and change their minds...

Honestly mental health and dental should be part of universal health care anyways.

How do you feel about someone who just feels theyve lived long enough and dont really want to continue? This actually fits my description quite well. I dont want to commit suicide both because of the risk of failure and the harm it would do to my family. At the same time I dont want to be hopped up on meds for the rest of my life to try to get me to artificially feel differently.

The prospect that I could book an appointment for assisted death a few months down the line and spend those months giving closure to my friends and family, as well as myself sounds great. I could also get all of my affairs in order so it was a seamless process. And no botched or messy suicide attempt required.

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
06/20/23 6:52:37 PM
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DarkAssassin89 posted...
How do you feel about someone who just feels theyve lived long enough and dont really want to continue? This actually fits my description quite well. I dont want to commit suicide both because of the risk of failure and the harm it would do to my family. At the same time I dont want to be hopped up on meds for the rest of my life to try to get me to artificially feel differently.

The prospect that I could book an appointment for assisted death a few months down the line and spend those months giving closure to my friends and family, as well as myself sounds great. I could also get all of my affairs in order so it was a seamless process. And no botched or messy suicide attempt required.

I think if you don't have dependents who are counting on you (kids basically) then no problem on my end. I think it should be expanded for mental health. If someone doesn't want to live through whatever it is they gotta deal with health wise... why should you?

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DarkAssassin89
06/20/23 7:01:21 PM
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Awesome! Its nice to have someone who understands. I dont have kids or dependents so I dont see why I shouldnt have the right to safely and responsibly decide Ive had enough.

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
06/20/23 7:20:01 PM
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DarkAssassin89 posted...
Awesome! Its nice to have someone who understands. I dont have kids or dependents so I dont see why I shouldnt have the right to safely and responsibly decide Ive had enough.

At the end of the day, unless you have decided to live in a way where others are dependent on you, why should you live through something you don't wanna live through just for the benefit of others?

I've been a huge proponent for bodily autonomy for my entire adult life.

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MrAntisocial
06/20/23 10:24:32 PM
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
Honestly mental health and dental should be part of universal health care anyways.

But teeth are luxury bones! /s

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
06/22/23 12:56:41 AM
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Another day, another memory!

Our first real date was a disaster. I took her to The Keg, nice little steak place. This was before her MCAS became a more prevalent part of her life and such we could partake in more options for food.

Throughout the dinner I noticed that she wouldn't really look at me and didn't seem to want to engage that much with me. I got really self conscious and wondered WTF I did wrong. I really couldn't figure it out. At one point I was just so nervous and anxious that I spilled a glass full of water and a waiter came over and almost purposefully helped out her but not myself.

Turns out what was happening was this same waiter basically lurked over my shoulder behind me and was giving my wife some "fuck me" eyes and my wife had no idea how to broach the subject or tell me what was going on. She just tried to avoid his gaze without realizing that meant she was never looking at me. She told me the next day what was going on and it all made sense, but it was pretty much a disaster of a date, one of the worst ones I've ever been on.

The next day she asked me if we wanted to go steady, or however you wanna say it. Be "dating", be boyfriend and girlfriend, that sort of thing. XD

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dj1200
06/22/23 1:00:57 AM
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Im very sorry. I cant imagine how she feels.

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NO2_Fiend
06/22/23 1:10:12 AM
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I don't wish death upon anyone for any reason but I wish you the best of luck in dealiing with the issues as she sees fit. And I wish you the best of luck dealing with Canadas uniquely annoying healthcare system.

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KaZooo
06/22/23 1:44:58 AM
#44:


Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
Another day, another memory!

Our first real date was a disaster. I took her to The Keg, nice little steak place. This was before her MCAS became a more prevalent part of her life and such we could partake in more options for food.

Throughout the dinner I noticed that she wouldn't really look at me and didn't seem to want to engage that much with me. I got really self conscious and wondered WTF I did wrong. I really couldn't figure it out. At one point I was just so nervous and anxious that I spilled a glass full of water and a waiter came over and almost purposefully helped out her but not myself.

Turns out what was happening was this same waiter basically lurked over my shoulder behind me and was giving my wife some "fuck me" eyes and my wife had no idea how to broach the subject or tell me what was going on. She just tried to avoid his gaze without realizing that meant she was never looking at me. She told me the next day what was going on and it all made sense, but it was pretty much a disaster of a date, one of the worst ones I've ever been on.

The next day she asked me if we wanted to go steady, or however you wanna say it. Be "dating", be boyfriend and girlfriend, that sort of thing. XD


I see these were (different) testing times from the get-go, and evidently you've overcome each of them.

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
06/23/23 11:38:24 AM
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I'm taking some steps to take better care of myself.

Went to the gym the last two days for the first time this month. My eating habits have been poor due to all the stress and anxiety of all this, but while I imagine that won't change until this is all completed, I can be more diligent with going to the gym daily.

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DarthDemented
06/23/23 11:20:03 PM
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I'm taking some steps to take better care of myself.

Went to the gym the last two days for the first time this month. My eating habits have been poor due to all the stress and anxiety of all this, but while I imagine that won't change until this is all completed, I can be more diligent with going to the gym daily.
I understand that. I kinda stopped taking care of myself as my wife required more care.

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
06/25/23 12:19:33 AM
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Tomorrow was the day my wife was to pass away. I am sad that she doesn't get what she wants and continues to suffer even though we went out today and picked up some One Piece figures and watched some anime and stuff.

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Sariana21
06/25/23 1:24:35 PM
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Thinking of you and your wife today and hoping you find your peace soon.

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TaylorHeinicke
06/26/23 1:20:37 PM
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
Turns out what was happening was this same waiter basically lurked over my shoulder behind me and was giving my wife some "fuck me" eyes
What a piece of shit

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DarthDemented
06/27/23 12:58:56 PM
#51:


Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
Tomorrow was the day my wife was to pass away. I am sad that she doesn't get what she wants and continues to suffer even though we went out today and picked up some One Piece figures and watched some anime and stuff.
This whole thing has to be agonizing

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