Board 8 > Gamefaq Mafia Mafia Topic 2 Kirby or Death?

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Obellisk posted...

corrik, ultis not scum. that's just preposterous.

I mean I'm not discounting the possibility of a scum gladiator in theory but I can't see ulti as scum pulling heat off of me. there's just no reason.

It's funny, i really thought Lopen was scum because he complained about the heat being pulled off of you.

Corrik, you're calling lopen obvtown in hindsight, but i didn't see it at all even with the Kirby flip.

PeaceFrog posted...

It's funny, i really thought Lopen was scum because he complained about the heat being pulled off of you.

Corrik, you're calling lopen obvtown in hindsight, but i didn't see it at all even with the Kirby flip.

Dude was tinfoil conspiracy theory ing over the gladiate all over the place. Town af.

Hell I even tried to go to lopen last night cuz I knew he was town. But I was roleblocked.

Alas what coulda been dear lopen my pal

##vote: Wallz

My gut read is going back to where it was beforehand, and the other Death vote kind of clinches it.

Isquen posted...

##vote: Wallz

My gut read is going back to where it was beforehand, and the other Death vote kind of clinches it.

He would be on my list

Yeah, so IGCD is all like "I'm totally gunna have something to say about this kirby claim day 2/but not really j/k" totally hinting power. Not dead.

Death is a claimed doctor. Not dead.

Corrik is outwardly claiming power for no reason and saying he went to lopen the dead guy but was roleblocked.

ulti quite possibly gladiated 2 scums day 1.

and Lopen is dead...

This is an odd one.

The real galaxy brain ulti move would be that the three man team is Ulti, Death, and Kirby, and he's like "fuck it I want out" and set them against each other, but that's a Corrik line of thinking.

Isquen posted...

The real galaxy brain ulti move would be that the three man team is Ulti, Death, and Kirby, and he's like "fuck it I want out" and set them against each other, but that's a Corrik line of thinking.

It isn't a want out. it is an attempt to confirm 2 for sacrificing 1 if you make the play.

I realize my death vote doesnt look great, but I stand by it. I just didnt see what everyone else was seeing about Kirby, but Im glad to be wrong.

Ulti should not be treated as 100% town confirmed just to be safe but is most likely town. I agree on death resolving sooner than later but Im not opposed to that being the lynch if enough people feel strongly especially in light of Lopen being the nk instead. Obviously some kind of bus driver/redirection taking credit would change things but I dont think town power needs to out themselves quite yet.

##unvote
##vote: Death

Sure I'll buy it.

Well this is clearly a setup

I didnt even get roleblocked apparently.

Saved peaf btw

UltimaterializerX posted...

I was genuinely depressed for a bit until that flip happened. One day I'll stop being emotionally manipulated by scum after I catch them. Death has some explaining to do, and IGCD might as well reveal his scan since he pretty blatantly told everyone he was the actual cop.

I have done nothing that I need to explain to anyone and I dont even know what emotional manipulation you are talking about.

My role is host confirmed, obviously. Town director. Only one use, so from here on out I'm little more than a host confirmed town vanilla.

Nah
Like we said, a scumgladiator/director that has to choose at least one other scum is a thing that can exist.
You picking Kirby at all is worthy of some towncred yes. But Kirby's role is not exactly useful to scum and he already had heat on him. You might have thought it was worth it to bus him just so you can 'townconfirm' yourself and get me lynched instead.
Not that you are at the top of my list though. That goes more to players like Red, who didnt do anything about day1, or Isquen, who continues to blindly vote me.

I am going to venture to say a busdriver exists. Death is debatable. Ulti is scum for sure though.

This is also a possibility that floated through my head yes

I think at this point a doctor would have counterclaimed me to bury me
But there wont be a counterclaim since there is no doctor besides me.
And anyone still saying they should resolve me is just being lazy or too unwilling to accept that they were wrong about Kirby.

Also if redirection did happen, the list of people who that could be is growing smaller and smaller based on how many people are saying "I want death to die" without actually being brave enough to say it.

Also also. IGCD didnt claim cop. He said he was using outside-game info to condemn Kirby. (and I am curious if I can now say what that was)
Whether thats the truth or not cannot be ascertained yet and it is odd that they didnt roleblock or shoot him regardless. But the night as a whole has been odd clearly.

Corrik, why didnt you wait for me to claim my action btw?

Players I am wary off after yesterday:
- Sbell seemed to be in favor of both me and Kirby's lynch all the time and didnt decide in the end which one to vote. For a moment he with the convenient logic of 'cop is more useful than doc' to point voters towards me while keeping his own hands clean still. Later he does express interest in lynching Kirby more, but he did not want to bring him too close within hammering range either. He also softdefended Kirby regardless. He only seemed to settle on lynching Kirby once it was clear that it would be him who died.

- Ulti himself called us both town, possibly hedging his bets about flipping to me if the oppurtunity arose

- Wallz took that one step further and said doc was less valuable than cop. Lea called this avoidant behavior and I agree with her.

- Red demanded to know why I should live. He ignored Kirby entirely. Thats enough reason for me to suspect him.

- Isquen voted me with no given reason at first and then only spat out a gutfeeling when interrogated about it. Just straight up bad.

Players I like more :
- Peaf was clearly in favor of Kirby's lynch from the start, from before Ulti even showed up with his gladiate.

- Lea protested me claiming doc that early but stated that he would not lynch the doc. Plus he went after Kirby for not being hostile enough towards me.

- IGCD seemed paranoid that both me and Kirby and Ulti were all scum but didnt pick his target right away.
He waited til Kirby claimed and then sold Kirby out, and later added extra-info-reasoning to it or whatever that was. How much I like him will depend on what he does today tho.

- Abacus is hard to gauge since he sounds like he really was catching up and adjusting his opinions on the fly, coming down towards lynching Kirby at the end. But he did upset Isquen, and I approve of that.

Corrik is in the middle of the neutral zone. He hammered Kirby and that hardly says anything.

Now obviously one or more scum could be in the players who voted Kirby. Moreso the later voters. And not everyone who I dislike can be scum. But they have more of my interest right now than the others.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Okay Death is like 95% town. If he wasnt, a counter would have happened by now to kill him.

And Kirbys role isnt useful to scum? Are you kidding me? Mafia prostitute has been used I think twice before this game. 99% of Board 8 would consider it confirmed town.

Wel I meant more as in useful to scum powerwise. Not selfconfirmation wise.

That said... I have no idea why Kirby didnt just claim prostitute that gets seen.
The usual problem with scumProstys is that they are glorified motiondetectors. And everyone here refuses to trust motion detectors despite how often they turn out to be real
(Just check Peaf last game)

And you arent at the top of my list Ulti. I just cant call you town confirmed myself.

I mean Peaf is a bad example...but nobody trusted him anyways.
Still, could have sworn we had real motion detectors recently.

Death, I don't think I was ever going to be in favor of lynching you.

I never really had a scum read on you and even pointed out that a common tell of yours really just doesn't exist.

I would have voted for kirby had corrik not hammered first.

ulti put us in a position where I had to choose between two people I didn't think should be lynched. I did my best.

I agree with you though. it all feels too much like a frame job.

docs not touched at all?
igcd insinuating power of some kind (at least that's how I took it, I may have parsed over the outof game reason bit)

honestly it's corriks claiming power and being roleblocked that fucks me up here.

Obellisk posted...

Death, I don't think I was ever going to be in favor of lynching you.

I never really had a scum read on you and even pointed out that a common tell of yours really just doesn't exist.

I would have voted for kirby had corrik not hammered first.

ulti put us in a position where I had to choose between two people I didn't think should be lynched. I did my best.

I will give you that overall you were more sensible.
But you just had a few odd moments here and there
(also the thing Lea said before Ulti crashed in, but I forget what that was right now)

Its possible someone redirected the RB away from me/IGCD to Corrik instead

And they shot Lopen because they figured I would be too bitter to protect him.

And Lopen was going hard after Kirby for his 'joke vote'
Though he was also going after me on a lesser scale, lets not forget that.

htaeD posted...

And Lopen was going hard after Kirby for his 'joke vote'
Though he was also going after me on a lesser scale, lets not forget that.

but is that any reason to night kill him if Kirby is already dead?

or did you mean to say that lopens death was also part of a redirect?

htaeD posted...

I mean Peaf is a bad example...but nobody trusted him anyways.
Still, could have sworn we had real motion detectors recently.

Sbell's star trek game right?

htaeD posted...

I have done nothing that I need to explain to anyone and I dont even know what emotional manipulation you are talking about.

P sure Ulti was referring to Kirby. Going back to Kirby for a sec... very weird that he didn't vote for you at all, if he was scum and you town. It would make sense if you're scum, but with a role stronger than prosty.

ah I meant more than maybe scum thought Lopen looked too good for going after Kirby
(and also they thought his death might drive town to want me dead next more? Maybe)

PeaceFrog posted...

P sure Ulti was referring to Kirby. Going back to Kirby for a sec... very weird that he didn't vote for you at all, if he was scum and you town. It would make sense if you're scum, but with a role stronger than prosty.

All I am gonna bother to say about theories like that is
Reverse psychology

Obellisk posted...

Yeah, so IGCD is all like "I'm totally gunna have something to say about this kirby claim day 2/but not really j/k" totally hinting power. Not dead.

Death is a claimed doctor. Not dead.

Corrik is outwardly claiming power for no reason and saying he went to lopen the dead guy but was roleblocked.

ulti quite possibly gladiated 2 scums day 1.

and Lopen is dead...

This is an odd one.

There is something not right here, but I'll leave it for a later date.

htaeD posted...

I think at this point a doctor would have counterclaimed me to bury me
But there wont be a counterclaim since there is no doctor besides me.
And anyone still saying they should resolve me is just being lazy or too unwilling to accept that they were wrong about Kirby.

Also if redirection did happen, the list of people who that could be is growing smaller and smaller based on how many people are saying "I want death to die" without actually being brave enough to say it.

Also also. IGCD didnt claim cop. He said he was using outside-game info to condemn Kirby. (and I am curious if I can now say what that was)
Whether thats the truth or not cannot be ascertained yet and it is odd that they didnt roleblock or shoot him regardless. But the night as a whole has been odd clearly.

Corrik, why didnt you wait for me to claim my action btw?

I don't give a shit what your action is. They roleblocked me and didn't kill you. So either you are given zero respect to make a proper save and considered worthless by scum or you are scum. Which again is interesting but the claims are an issue regarding it.

In hindsight, Kirby's "I got cop because I was cop last game" spiel is pretty glaring scum. Wish I had seen it day 1.

htaeD posted...

ah I meant more than maybe scum thought Lopen looked too good for going after Kirby
(and also they thought his death might drive town to want me dead next more? Maybe)

Maybe I'm being self centered but i think his death makes me look worse, since i topped his scum list ever since i started going after him.

I think bd or Redirector could be a real possibility, as corrik mentioned. I don't think you really mentioned yesterday which players you felt good about and which ones you didn't, so scum couldn't have had much confidence shooting into the remaining pool that you wouldn't protect one of them. So it's likely you were blocked, and bd moved it away from you.

htaeD posted...

Players I am wary off after yesterday:
- Sbell seemed to be in favor of both me and Kirby's lynch all the time and didnt decide in the end which one to vote. For a moment he with the convenient logic of 'cop is more useful than doc' to point voters towards me while keeping his own hands clean still. Later he does express interest in lynching Kirby more, but he did not want to bring him too close within hammering range either. He also softdefended Kirby regardless. He only seemed to settle on lynching Kirby once it was clear that it would be him who died.

Neither cop nor doctor was useful then. Both were worthless the moment claimed. So anyone who used role reasoning to save someone was full of shit.

I guess they could have been afraid of a watcher to take out death night 1. But if they are afraid of a watcher, they should have something that makes them have that fear.

Curious what you are saving there, Corrik.
Also curious how black and white you are seeing things when busdrivers can exist.

PeaceFrog posted...

I think bd or Redirector could be a real possibility, as corrik mentioned. I don't think you really mentioned yesterday which players you felt good about and which ones you didn't, so scum couldn't have had much confidence shooting into the remaining pool that you wouldn't protect one of them.

Oh yeah that at least was a conscious effort. Though scum might have assumed I wouldnt protect anyone who voted me regardless.

PeaceFrog posted...

Maybe I'm being self centered but i think his death makes me look worse, since i topped his scum list ever since i started going after him.

I think bd or Redirector could be a real possibility, as corrik mentioned. I don't think you really mentioned yesterday which players you felt good about and which ones you didn't, so scum couldn't have had much confidence shooting into the remaining pool that you wouldn't protect one of them. So it's likely you were blocked, and bd moved it away from you.

A busdriver would have claimed by now and town locked 3 people. So doubtful a busdriver at this point. It would confirm the busdriver, the roleblock target, and me who was roleblocked and obviously not the other scum power acting.

htaeD posted...

Oh yeah that at least was a conscious effort. Though scum might have assumed I wouldnt protect anyone who voted me regardless.

Why wouldnt you protect IGCD?

Corrik7 posted...

A busdriver would have claimed by now and town locked 3 people. So doubtful a busdriver at this point. It would confirm the busdriver, the roleblock target, and me who was roleblocked and obviously not the other scum power acting.

I fail to see how it would confirm you, plus we have players who haven't checked in yet

Didnt think he claimed power and was also figured that if scum really wanted to kill IGCD they would block me. So I wanted to be at least a little bit unpredictable.

Either way a busdriver claim is not necessary to explain why I am alive.
You being roleblocked at all is the question here.

htaeD posted...

You being roleblocked at all is the question here.

and why admit it before anything actually happened in the day... like that's on level with me revealing I'm doc last game.

PeaceFrog posted...

I fail to see how it would confirm you, plus we have players who haven't checked in yet

Roleblocker, nightkill, prostitute.

We know 3 scum actors.

If there is a 4th (which I think there probably is), it would be the godfather. How would they know they were roleblocked?

It's town confirmed as can be. What could I have been then that was scum?

UltimaterializerX posted...

I was genuinely depressed for a bit until that flip happened. One day I'll stop being emotionally manipulated by scum after I catch them. Death has some explaining to do, and IGCD might as well reveal his scan since he pretty blatantly told everyone he was the actual cop.

Speaking of. The correct analytical play when lynching scum day one is a mass claim on day 2. Bury them while we're ahead, and this includes if someone else actually is the doctor instead of Death. Just end the game now and don't bother letting them recover.

My role is host confirmed, obviously. Town director. Only one use, so from here on out I'm little more than a host confirmed town vanilla.

I unfortunately am not actually cop. I was legit thinking about counter claiming him there in the moment because I didn't believe his claim and I didn't want the actual cop to counter him there. I am down for a mass claim though to force scum's hand. Town vanilla.

Lopen posted...

After I lynch

Death
Kirby
Peaf
Isquen

5 scum game? I'm coming for you.

I thought i remembered lopen doimg a lot more lists towards the end of the day but this is all i could find.

I called him bad for this list because i know I'm town and i thought death was too. Lopen said regardless of what happened d1, he wanted to go after me or isq d2.

I think that everyone on that list except for Kirby is all town, but if I'm wrong about death and isquen... lopen could have named 3/3 or 3/4 scum there in that post.

Corrik7 posted...

No. Now afk until you are lynched. Your posts are nothing of value.

Sorry Corrik but we are not going down the Ulti is scum rabbit hole today. There are much better places to look at the moment. Personally Isquen and Wallz are a great place to start.

I doubt Godfather due to Kirby's cop claim and mathematically for the size of the game.

Corrik7 posted...

Roleblocker, nightkill, prostitute.

We know 3 scum actors.

If there is a 4th (which I think there probably is), it would be the godfather. How would they know they were roleblocked?

It's town confirmed as can be. What could I have been then that was scum?

Corrik there are handful of holes in that logic
Roleblocker could have sent in the kill at the same time. (some hosts allow doubling up of actions), The Godfather could have a power of their own, or the last scum could be a power instead of a godather anyway.

Plusyou could be lying about being roleblocked period.

Isquen posted...

I doubt Godfather due to Kirby's cop claim and mathematically for the size of the game.

Hey that makes sense. More posts like that thanks.