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07/29/23 9:01:24 PM
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DnDer
07/29/23 11:49:54 PM
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Dark_Arbron
07/29/23 11:50:51 PM
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You've answered your own question.

It's supposed to, but not everyone is properly educated on the responsible use of firearms.

One of many things that needs to change.

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SaikyoStyle
07/29/23 11:51:13 PM
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The people who think it doesnt are openly begging for a fascist takeover.

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GATTJT
07/29/23 11:51:39 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLlZh9yelk

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A_Good_Boy
07/29/23 11:57:33 PM
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with using a gun to keep a thief in place while you're waiting for the police to arrive.

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tripleh213
07/29/23 11:59:08 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
There's absolutely nothing wrong with using a gun to keep a thief in place while you're waiting for the police to arrive.


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StealThisSheen
07/30/23 12:01:45 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
There's absolutely nothing wrong with using a gun to keep a thief in place while you're waiting for the police to arrive.

And yet, by law, in many gun loving states, pointing a gun at a thief would make it legal for the thief to then pull a gun on you, citing that they fear for their life.

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Tenlaar
07/30/23 12:02:31 AM
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Willingness to kill and intent to kill are very different things that youre treating as the same thing.
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xsdarknesssx
07/30/23 12:08:00 AM
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Intent? no, willingness? yes, if the situation arises that may require you to use deadly force.

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Gobstoppers12
07/30/23 12:09:34 AM
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xsdarknesssx posted...
Intent? no, willingness? yes, if the situation arises that may require you to use deadly force.


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MisterPengy
07/30/23 12:10:55 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
There's absolutely nothing wrong with using a gun to keep a thief in place while you're waiting for the police to arrive.

Okay, but it's still displaying that you're willing to kill the person.

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FolkenRawr
07/30/23 12:12:16 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
There's absolutely nothing wrong with using a gun to keep a thief in place while you're waiting for the police to arrive.

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Gobstoppers12
07/30/23 12:13:25 AM
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MisterPengy posted...
Okay, but it's still displaying that you're willing to kill the person.
Willing, but not intending/planning to.

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
07/30/23 12:14:27 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/3/8/AAAFvAAAEtOu.jpg

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A_Good_Boy
07/30/23 12:17:06 AM
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MisterPengy posted...
Okay, but it's still displaying that you're willing to kill the person.
That usually comes with the territory when you're committing crimes against people with guns.

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Philip027
07/30/23 12:20:12 AM
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Yes. It's always taught never to point a gun at anything that you aren't prepared to destroy.
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FolkenRawr
07/30/23 12:25:29 AM
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Philip027 posted...
Yes. It's always taught never to point a gun at anything that you aren't prepared to destroy.

Exactly this. The people talking about flagging bad guys and quibbling over the semantics of intent versus willingness is frankly scary and the reason why 'common sense reform' is basically useless.

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BunkerBoy
07/30/23 12:25:50 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
There's absolutely nothing wrong with using a gun to keep a thief in place while you're waiting for the police to arrive.
What if the thief tried to run, offering no direct threat to you, would you pull the trigger?
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FolkenRawr
07/30/23 12:28:49 AM
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BunkerBoy posted...
What if the thief tried to run, offering no direct threat to you, would you pull the trigger?

Or what if adrenaline is pumping while they are 'keeping a thief in place' by point a fucking loaded firearm and 'accidentally' Punisher them

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A_Good_Boy
07/30/23 12:29:20 AM
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BunkerBoy posted...
What if the thief tried to run, offering no direct threat to you, would you pull the trigger?
That's not the scenario that TC is using to justify this topic.

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BunkerBoy
07/30/23 12:32:42 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
That's not the scenario that TC is using to justify this topic.
I was going off your scenario in your post though.

You said "using a gun to keep a thief in place until the police arrive"

The thing keeping the thief in place is the possibility of you pulling the trigger

What if the thief decides to call your bluff though? Do you shoot or let him run?
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A_Good_Boy
07/30/23 12:35:42 AM
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BunkerBoy posted...
I was going off your scenario in your post though.
This topic doesn't exist in a vacuum. It was directly inspired by another topic. I don't see the point in pretending otherwise.

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St0rmFury
07/30/23 12:37:57 AM
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BunkerBoy posted...
I was going off your scenario in your post though.

You said "using a gun to keep a thief in place until the police arrive"

The thing keeping the thief in place is the possibility of you pulling the trigger

What if the thief decides to call your bluff though? Do you shoot or let him run?
I'd let him run, his life is of no concern to me.

I just want my property back.

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BunkerBoy
07/30/23 12:39:25 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
This topic doesn't exist in a vacuum. It was directly inspired by another topic. I don't see the point in pretending otherwise.
What topic is that? I didn't know it was a specific scenario, I was just going by your post
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A_Good_Boy
07/30/23 12:41:12 AM
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BunkerBoy posted...
What topic is that? I didn't know it was a specific scenario, I was just going by your post
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80522437

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St0rmFury
07/30/23 12:41:14 AM
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BunkerBoy posted...
What topic is that? I didn't know it was a specific scenario, I was just going by your post
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80522437

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Dark_Arbron
07/30/23 12:41:53 AM
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St0rmFury posted...
I'd let him run, his life is of no concern to me.

I just want my property back.

But for some people punishment (spite) is the point. Preventing the crime isn't enough, they want to see the person (whose background circumstances they know nothing about) get punished with prison time, son.

You'll probably get at least one response to that effect very soon. Something about how you would "let them get away so they can steal from someone else instead of being stopped."

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Gobstoppers12
07/30/23 12:44:14 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Preventing the crime isn't enough, they want to see the person (whose background circumstances they know nothing about) get punished with prison time, son.
If someone commits a crime and goes unpunished, they're most likely going to commit the crime again later. Prison at least prevents them from committing crimes for a while, even if they come back out and do more crime after their sentence is served.

Point being, yes. If someone commits a crime, I'd like to see them punished for it.

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Dark_Arbron
07/30/23 12:45:43 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
If someone commits a crime and goes unpunished, they're most likely going to commit the crime again later. Prison at least prevents them from committing crimes for a while, even if they come back out and do more crime after their sentence is served.

Point being, yes. If someone commits a crime, I'd like to see them punished for it.

Do you also want to see the circumstances behind why they committed the crime addressed so they can be rehabilitated? Because prison time doesn't fix anything. They'll walk out of there with no job and possibly no home, putting them in a situation far more likely to encourage further crime. "Punishing" them has now made the situation entirely worse.

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A_Good_Boy
07/30/23 12:46:36 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Do you also want to see the circumstances behind why they committed the crime addressed so they can be rehabilitated? Because prison time doesn't fix anything. They'll walk out of there with no job and possibly no home, putting them in a situation far more likely to encourage further crime.
Depending on the crime they should get both. It's not an either/or situation.

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shnangyboos
07/30/23 12:49:05 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
they want to see the person (whose background circumstances they know nothing about) get punished with prison time, son.


Oh the horror. Some people would want the person who stole their car punished with, gasp, prison! They don't even know if that person is a poor victim of society.

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Gobstoppers12
07/30/23 12:49:06 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Do you also want to see the circumstances behind why they committed the crime addressed
Ideally, sure, but in the mean time I'd like to see them put away so they can't do it again. Especially if it's a serious crime like car theft or home invasion. Double especially if it's a violent crime.

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BunkerBoy
07/30/23 1:13:29 AM
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shnangyboos posted...
Oh the horror. Some people would want the person who stole their car punished with, gasp, prison! They don't even know if that person is a poor victim of society.
Would you shoot them if they ran away from your attempt to make them see justice though?
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wackyteen
07/30/23 1:20:21 AM
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Yes.

You never point your weapon at anything you don't intend to destroy.

It's straightforward. Simple.

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Kloe_Rinz
07/30/23 1:20:59 AM
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Does holding a knife to someones throat while threatening to kill them indicate an intent to kill?
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Thanatophobic
07/30/23 1:23:22 AM
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The "I couldn't win that last argument, let's try this again!" the topic.

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St0rmFury
07/30/23 2:07:56 AM
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Does committing a crime allow you to shoot in self defense?

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ai123
07/30/23 2:13:12 AM
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If you're having a gun pointed at you, it is reasonable to assume intent.

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Imit8m3
07/30/23 2:49:25 AM
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St0rmFury posted...
Does committing a crime allow you to shoot in self defense?
No. In fact use of a firearm while committing a crime, is itself another crime.

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Karovorak
07/30/23 3:49:47 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
And yet, by law, in many gun loving states, pointing a gun at a thief would make it legal for the thief to then pull a gun on you, citing that they fear for their life.

And that's why more guns are the worst thing imaginable for safety.

There is a thief, armed if a gun, and the owner, armed with a gun, and now both are in a sick lethal variation of the prisoner dilema with their life on their line.

The best outcome would be for none of them to shot, but for obvious reasons you can't trust any one them with your life.

But of course, the solution to that are supposed to be more guns!
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Funkydog
07/30/23 4:24:08 AM
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100% yes.

A guns sole purpose is to kill. If you use it you are threatening to kill.

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ALIEN_WORK2HOP
07/30/23 4:33:09 AM
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buying a gun demonstrates it

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Gwynevere
07/30/23 5:11:41 AM
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Yes. Pulling a gun on someone you don't intend to kill is a fucking stupid move for the average Joe that's likely only shot a gun in a carefully controlled environment. Everyone thinks they can just point a gun at someone without the situation escalating, like the bad guy is just gonna sit there with his hands up and wait for the cops to take him instead of panicking and either running or fighting back. It's pure fantasy, where people who claim to be well adjusted think they can gun someone down and sleep well at night because they were "just defending property"

Well adjusted people can't handle the weight of being a killer, so they probably shouldn't be waving a gun around at other people.

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ColonizedMind
07/30/23 5:35:21 AM
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Im pro gun but theyre only for self defence, theyre not for civilians to police the streets or to punish criminals.
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xsdarknesssx
07/30/23 6:49:10 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
And yet, by law, in many gun loving states, pointing a gun at a thief would make it legal for the thief to then pull a gun on you, citing that they fear for their life.

Even the staunchest stand your ground states would toss out any self defense claim if it took place while you were committing a felony. Not sure were people get the idea that someone in the process of stealing a car is going to be able to defend themselves with a gun if the victim shows up to try to subdue them at gunpoint until the police arrive.
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ColonizedMind
07/30/23 6:52:54 AM
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He wasn't in the process of stealing it. He was tracked down after the fact. It's an important distinction.

You might not see a difference but if you follow that thought process to its natural conclusion then you're advocating for anyone perceived of committing a crime against your person in the past has no rights to defend themselves and/or can be detained at gunpoint until you get your court date.
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Tenlaar
07/30/23 6:55:58 AM
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ColonizedMind posted...
He wasn't in the process of stealing it. He was tracked down after the fact. It's an important distinction.
That is not true. The guy was close by and still in the vehicle. Driving to the other side of a shopping center doesnt somehow make you no longer in the process of stealing a vehicle.

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ColonizedMind
07/30/23 6:57:32 AM
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Fair enough, I guess I missed that. My point stands in general but yes doesn't apply to the specific article.

I still don't think someone should be killed for stealing a car but you can't blame that man from trying to stop him.
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PowerfulSageIRL
07/30/23 6:59:57 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
There's absolutely nothing wrong with using a gun to keep a thief in place while you're waiting for the police to arrive.
this is fucking insane dude
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