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Son_Of_Spam
09/06/23 6:29:52 PM
#101:


I'm not in favor of Ukraine attacking Russian civilians, but I really wish we'd stop handicapping Ukraine and let them use western weapons in Russia. Imagine if they could use GMLRS rockets and Storm Shadow missiles against military targets in Russia.

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Questionmarktarius
09/06/23 7:19:04 PM
#102:


Ukraine is going to be in a bit of a "civilian" spot, if a siege of Crimea actually happens.
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Zikten
09/06/23 8:21:58 PM
#103:


At some point, the only way to end this is for Ukraine to invade Russia. They don't have to kill civilians. But they do need to start destroying Russian military bases. And eventually take the Kremlin
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Full_Pokedex
09/06/23 8:29:24 PM
#104:


Zikten posted...
At some point, the only way to end this is for Ukraine to invade Russia. They don't have to kill civilians. But they do need to start destroying Russian military bases. And eventually take the Kremlin
You want Ukraine to be nuked? Because this is a good way to get Ukraine nuked.

Like can you begin to comprehend what a bad idea this would be?

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Xenogears15
09/06/23 8:31:28 PM
#105:


Zikten posted...
At some point, the only way to end this is for Ukraine to invade Russia. They don't have to kill civilians. But they do need to start destroying Russian military bases. And eventually take the Kremlin

No, they do not need to invade Russia. All Ukraine needs to do is advance to the Sea of Azov, cut the land bridge to Crimea, blow the Kerch Bridge, and place Crimea under siege. It won't happen right away, but Russia will eventually be forced to capitulate Crimea. That might even cause them to lose or for the Federation to disintegrate. At the very least Ukraine gets Crimea, which is much more valuable than the Donbass or even southern Ukraine.

Invading Russia proper was, is, and will always be stupid.

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Humble_Novice
09/06/23 8:33:17 PM
#106:


Full_Pokedex posted...
You want Ukraine to be nuked? Because this is a good way to get Ukraine nuked.

Like can you begin to comprehend what a bad idea this would be?
Your opinion is irrelevant here. Anymore nonsense out of you in this topic and you WILL be blocked.

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Sir_Will
09/06/23 8:34:40 PM
#107:


Xenogears15 posted...
Invading Russia proper is, was, and will always be stupid.


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Questionmarktarius
09/06/23 8:37:38 PM
#108:


Xenogears15 posted...
Invading Russia proper is, was, and will always be stupid.
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Questionmarktarius
09/06/23 10:59:41 PM
#110:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

May not happen in that order, tho.
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Tom_Joad
09/07/23 9:34:07 AM
#111:


Questionmarktarius posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/1/2/AAEhCpAAE0Tc.jpg

This guy says hi!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/6/5/AAfQqfAAE0Y9.jpg

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CADE_FOSTER
09/07/23 10:53:41 AM
#113:


we giving ukraine depleted uranium rds now nice
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LaLeyenda
09/07/23 11:00:52 AM
#114:


Xenogears15 posted...
Invading Russia proper was, is, and will always be stupid.
Correct, it should happen during the Summer season.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/3/6/AAds4pAAE0aE.jpg


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Foppe
09/07/23 4:28:04 PM
#115:


Romania have found parts of Russian drones on their side of the border.

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Questionmarktarius
09/07/23 4:30:46 PM
#116:


Tom_Joad posted...
This guy says hi!
Russia didn't really exist before Khan's grandkid made it.
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streamofthesky
09/07/23 4:52:30 PM
#117:


Trelve posted...
Ukraine has alleged that Russian drones landed on Romanian territory during a series of strikes on a neighbouring Ukrainian city.

Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba told reporters after a news conference in Kyiv that Ukraine had photographic evidence supporting its claim.

However, Romania has rejected Kyiv's version of events and BBC Verify says it cannot authenticate the image.


Foppe posted... Romania have found parts of Russian drones on their side of the border.

Hmm...
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videospirit
09/07/23 5:26:47 PM
#119:


streamofthesky posted...
Hmm...

So Ukraine shot them down, and they were close enough to the border that parts of the drones landed there?

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streamofthesky
09/07/23 5:42:52 PM
#120:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Don't have to full on go to war.
But they could say, "oh...if Russian weapons are hitting NATO countries, I guess it's ok if NATO weapons from Ukraine hit Russia."
Or start actively shooting down any Russian aircraft or missiles that get within 100 miles of a NATO boundary "as a precaution, given prior hostile actions by Russia".

Could that lead to Russia wanting war? I don't know, they've threatened armageddon over like a dozen "red lines" we've crossed thus far (because all of them have been fucking stupid and ridiculous "lines"). But I definitely don't want them to think they can bomb NATO and get away with it.
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CoyoteTheGreat
09/07/23 5:44:10 PM
#121:


Son_Of_Spam posted...
I'm not in favor of Ukraine attacking Russian civilians, but I really wish we'd stop handicapping Ukraine and let them use western weapons in Russia. Imagine if they could use GMLRS rockets and Storm Shadow missiles against military targets in Russia.

Yeah, this is an infinitely more sane take than "Actually, Ukraine should be able to attack civilians". I mean, what the fuck is wrong with people? War crimes are bad.

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Humble_Novice
09/07/23 5:45:48 PM
#122:


Screw Elon: https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-secretly-manipulated-starlink-151614161.html

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s0nicfan
09/07/23 5:47:57 PM
#123:


CoyoteTheGreat posted...
Yeah, this is an infinitely more sane take than "Actually, Ukraine should be able to attack civilians". I mean, what the fuck is wrong with people? War crimes are bad.

Honestly, I can understand the sentiment depending on how an individual gets their news. There's only so many videos you can take of Russians crying because they had to cut their summer vacation in Crimea off early, or being interviewed about how excited they are for affordable housing they've bought in Marupol, or how their adopted Ukrainian kids needed to be effectively abused into obedience before you start to hope that maybe a few stray missiles landed on their houses.

Obviously, we should let cooler heads prevail and realize that revenge via War crime isn't going to fix anything, but I totally understand the frustration that would lead to those kinds of comments.

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CoyoteTheGreat
09/07/23 5:51:03 PM
#124:


s0nicfan posted...
Honestly, I can understand the sentiment depending on how an individual gets their news. There's only so many videos you can take of Russians crying because they had to cut their summer vacation in Crimea off early, or being interviewed about how excited they are for affordable housing they've bought in Marupol, or how their adopted Ukrainian kids needed to be effectively abused into obedience before you start to hope that maybe a few stray missiles landed on their houses.

Obviously, we should let cooler heads prevail and realize that revenge via War crime isn't going to fix anything, but I totally understand the frustration that would lead to those kinds of comments.

Civilians can suck, especially when they are fed "patriotic" propaganda from their country. Like, I don't think anyone thinks Nazi Germany had civilians who were shining examples of humanity either. But straight up mercing civilians is bad. People who get fed propaganda that causes them to believe evil things are victims too in a way of their own governments. And I think its important to distinguish between the aggressor (The Russian State, Putin's oligarchs, ect) and the citizens of the state, that are just fed propaganda to keep them acting as tools for the state rather than actually rebelling given the shitty state of affairs (Putin isn't really doing anything nice for the average Russian, they are suffering under his dictatorship too).

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Humble_Novice
09/07/23 6:48:52 PM
#125:


Pro-Putin supporters must NEVER be allowed to take office or wield power over others under any circumstances.

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DarkChozoGhost
09/07/23 9:30:39 PM
#126:


streamofthesky posted...
Don't have to full on go to war.
But they could say, "oh...if Russian weapons are hitting NATO countries, I guess it's ok if NATO weapons from Ukraine hit Russia."
Or start actively shooting down any Russian aircraft or missiles that get within 100 miles of a NATO boundary "as a precaution, given prior hostile actions by Russia".

Could that lead to Russia wanting war? I don't know, they've threatened armageddon over like a dozen "red lines" we've crossed thus far (because all of them have been fucking stupid and ridiculous "lines"). But I definitely don't want them to think they can bomb NATO and get away with it.
I think the appropriate response would be to move NATO equipment (specifically NOT weapons) to the boarder. Proclaim that drones operation close enough to the boarder that they're hitting Romania soil is unacceptable. State that if the equipment is hit, they will be forced to use air defense against any Russian craft close to their boarder.

That's not escalation. It's clearly defining what actions by Russia would be considered escalation. And it promises a specific, purely defensive consequence for violating that.

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ROBANN_88
09/07/23 11:54:37 PM
#127:


A correction on an article i shared here previously

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/16coh19/correction_10yearold_ukrainian_boy_thrown_off/

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videospirit
09/08/23 2:54:12 AM
#128:


ROBANN_88 posted...
A correction on an article i shared here previously

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/16coh19/correction_10yearold_ukrainian_boy_thrown_off/

Didn't that kid have a whole bunch of his friends back his story up? hardcore effort to get out of punishment for playing in the mud if so.

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Sir_Will
09/08/23 10:40:22 AM
#129:


ROBANN_88 posted...
A correction on an article i shared here previously

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/16coh19/correction_10yearold_ukrainian_boy_thrown_off/
That is horrible. And of course a bunch of people don't care or making it sound like no big deal when it is. Stories like that can get people assaulted or killed. Stoke fears and discrimination. Obviously Russia sucks but it doesn't mean every Russian or former Russian everywhere in the world is the same. And this stuff happens to other groups as well. Plenty of real stories and actions to get outraged over without making up more.

Also I do question how this is the first thing that came to mind to explain dirty clothes....

Thanks for sharing the correction.

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GuerrillaSoldier
09/08/23 11:24:06 AM
#130:


sadly that fake story has done more damage than good

isn't it great that we're so reactionary and gullible


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CobraGT
09/08/23 1:38:10 PM
#131:


Is anyone trying to get a peace movement going in Russia? Isn't this an obvious tactic to employ?

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s0nicfan
09/08/23 1:44:48 PM
#133:


CobraGT posted...
Is anyone trying to get a peace movement going in Russia? Isn't this an obvious tactic to employ?

Lots of people are. They're all in Russian jails or dead from falling out of windows. Don't forget that the propaganda machine is going so hard in Russia that holding up a literal blank piece of paper will get you arrested and jailed.

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Foppe
09/08/23 2:34:06 PM
#134:


And if you are jailed, you might be forced to go to the front where you get shot by Ukraine from the front and Russians from the back.

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mustachedmystic
09/08/23 2:35:01 PM
#135:


tag

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Humble_Novice
09/08/23 2:36:24 PM
#136:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/8/AAPVm4AAE0pQ.jpg

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Questionmarktarius
09/08/23 2:39:00 PM
#137:


Humble_Novice posted...

If anyone can find hard evidence for that, we're looking at maybe treason, or unregistered foreign agent, or at least a way to get twitter back from Elon by handing him over to Ukraine for war crimes.
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streamofthesky
09/08/23 2:58:29 PM
#138:


Questionmarktarius posted...
If anyone can find hard evidence for that, we're looking at maybe treason, or unregistered foreign agent, or at least a way to get twitter back from Elon by handing him over to Ukraine for war crimes.

lol @ the priorities

Starlink exists because of massive government funding. Sounds like a case to seize control of the company from him, given that he's a foreign agent for our enemy.
Starlink out of Elon's control would be sufficient for Ukraine to operate.
Twitter isn't important, just move on to something else.
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Questionmarktarius
09/08/23 3:07:29 PM
#139:


streamofthesky posted...
lol @ the priorities
Don't take gamefaqs seriously.

Sounds like a case to seize control of the company from him, given that he's a foreign agent for our enemy.
But, Russia isn't an "enemy" in the official sense, at least not since 1991 or so.
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toreysback
09/08/23 3:35:02 PM
#140:


well, but you do not impose sanctions on friends

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jefffan
09/08/23 3:37:04 PM
#141:


Sad part is without Starlink Ukraine would be in a much worse spot.

And no else had the tech to create and launch a different system into orbit other than NASA.

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Thompson
09/08/23 3:37:45 PM
#142:


Humble_Novice posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/8/AAPVm4AAE0pQ.jpg
So Musk is Duncan? Okay then.

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Questionmarktarius
09/08/23 3:41:42 PM
#143:


We need to figure out once and for all if Elon was being a Russian patsy, a "pacifist" who didn't want his cool toy being used for war, or just a dick who shut off the service after he stopped being paid for it.

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specialkid8
09/08/23 7:28:12 PM
#144:


Is it confirmed Russia called him up like that?

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Foppe
09/09/23 1:51:01 AM
#145:


I think that is made up.
Russia destroyed much of Ukraines communications early in the war, and they begged for Starlink.
Musk happily provided.
He knew that the military used it, and he had no problems with it. He felt like a hero.
Then he got contacted by the Russian UN guy Vasilij Nebenzia, that gave him a normal Russian warning.
If Ukraine gets close to Crimea, we will start nuking them. And the only way they can do it is with Starlink, so the blood is on your hand!
This makes Musk nervous and he starts saying things like "Starlink is not for military use" and that it starts getting expensive.
Here the stories gets different. The journalist says that Musk turned it off during an attack. Musk claims that he was contacted by Ukraine and asked to expand the range of Starlink so they could do their military mission. He said no.
The reason why is the same for both, he was afraid of a Russian nuclear attack.
He got in contact with US military that paid for the military use of Starlink, and took responsibility for it, so he got no worries for Russian nukes any longer.
Remember the peace suggestion he made?
I think that when he was contacted by Vasilij Nebenzia, he asked "what do you want for peace?", and then simply repeated it on twitter.
Hey, I will be a hero if I fix peace, all you have to do is to give up those annexed areas!
I personally think there is a third alternative.
Musk simply saw a way to earn more money. He blamed being afraid of being responsible for a nuclear attack and made the military pay him and "take responsibility".
Did he turn off those drones?
I think that he had earlier shortened the range of Starlink, as a leverage to get paid. Ukraine asked for a longer range, got denied, and decided to still try, hoping that the range would be enough. It wasnt.

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Humble_Novice
09/09/23 5:04:54 AM
#146:


https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1699838052980650397

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Foppe
09/09/23 12:03:08 PM
#148:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

That is because he knows that there needs to be lots of rebuilding once the war ends.
Since Russia is bigger and got more resources, he put his bet on Russia.
Once the war is over, I can tell Putin "Look at this, I helped ending the war earlier, you should reward my with some contracts!".

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LaLeyenda
09/09/23 12:13:38 PM
#149:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTT6epMgTEU

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

All Musk needs to do is refer to the conflict as a special military operation like how Russian propaganda keep using that term, despite the conflict going on for 562 days so far. Then he would be 1:1 with Russian propaganda.

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Caracalla
09/09/23 1:59:12 PM
#150:


specialkid8 posted...
Is it confirmed Russia called him up like that?
Of course not. In all likelihood, hes probably scared the Russians are going to blow his plane out of the sky, like they did to prighozin. Can anyone blame him?
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