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ColonizedMind
09/20/23 3:20:40 PM
#51:


Exactly. One of the most soulless games ever created, zero choices or consequences, with dozens of advertised features STILL missing
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Vyrulisse
09/20/23 3:22:23 PM
#52:


The attitude around the game changed because people liked an anime. That's literally it.

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UnholyMudcrab
09/20/23 3:22:50 PM
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All these flavors, and you choose to be salty

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DuuuDe14
09/20/23 3:22:57 PM
#54:


Speak for yourselves.

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BignutzisBack
09/20/23 3:24:35 PM
#55:


Vyrulisse posted...
CDPR shills keep trying to push this redemption arc narrative when they've done absolutely nothing to fix the real issues with the game. They did bog standard bug fixes then were able to gaslight everyone into thinking the outcry about the game was SOLELY due to bugs when it wasn't at all.

This coming from the biggest Fallout 76 defender on the site

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Vyrulisse
09/20/23 3:25:50 PM
#56:


BignutzisBack posted...
This coming from the biggest Fallout 76 defender on the site
Nice try but I've often talked about the issues with that game. I just like Fallout.
Feel free to actually try to rebut what I said.

Read that review up there for Phantom Liberty... a real shame you seem railroaded yet again. So much for actual choices.

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supervaan
09/20/23 3:53:37 PM
#57:


Vyrulisse posted...
The attitude around the game changed because people liked an anime. That's literally it.


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variasuite
09/20/23 3:55:37 PM
#58:


ColonizedMind posted...
The narrative is changing now the frauds at CDPR have massaged the egos of gaming journalists but dont forget the awful game this DLC is propping up, the state it launched in, the absolute mediocrity of the gameplay and awful story.

* No NPC Day/Night cycle. NPCs spawn and despawn outside of the player's view.

* If an NPC is doing an action, they will do that action forever until the player moves.

* NPCs that are not story/side quest related have one dialog reply.

* If one NPC is assaulted, every other NPC in a large circle around the player will crouch to the floor in the same animation, even if they did not see the original assault.

* NPCs in a car will follow a specific route. If the route is even slightly interupted, for example by your car, they will cease to move forever until you remove the obstruction.

* NPCs in a car will not attempt to move or exit their vehicle if you assault them with bullets/another vehicle.

* NPCs will not acknowledge the player if they run the player over with their car.

* NPCs will not attempt to steal their vehicle back if you steal it from them.

* NPCs will not attack you or defend themselves in any way or form, even if engaged upon with just fists.

* Police spawn around the player's vision when the player is wanted, forever, until they attempt to hide or drive away.

* Police to not attempt to question, warn, or arrest the player for even the smallest crime commited, for example if you bump into them or accidently enter a private area.

* Police are incapable of driving cars and chasing the player if they drive away.

* Police will not attack hostile targets like Gangs if they are not already doing so in an activity.

* Police will know if the player has attacked an NPC in the middle of the badlands and spawn next to the player, without vehicles.

* NPCs will rarely thank or acknowledge the player if they are helped by the player.

* Scripted NPCs that have dialog will say their dialog then proceed to stand there forever. They will also repeat the same dialog if the player leaves the area and visits again later.
Imagine being this dedicated to crying about a toy literally years after it disappointed you. Grow the fuck up, child.

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ColonizedMind
09/21/23 7:39:49 AM
#59:


How much dedication does it take to talk about a game on a gaming websites message boards lol
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Kaldrenthebold
09/21/23 7:40:53 AM
#60:


Must really peeve you off hearing everyone talk about it's redemption arc being complete and the expansion being amazing

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Avirosb
09/21/23 7:41:13 AM
#61:


Sorozone posted...
People act like this game killed their family.
A couple rigs, at least.

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ColonizedMind
09/21/23 8:49:20 AM
#62:


Kaldrenthebold posted...
Must really peeve you off hearing everyone talk about it's redemption arc being complete and the expansion being amazing


It just shows gamers are fickle. Almost none of the falsely advertised features have been added to the game, but because the anime is good and its become a nvidia tech demo Im supposed to be impressed and give them $30
more?
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Hayame_Zero
09/21/23 8:52:39 AM
#63:


Literally nothing I read in that post bothers me. That just sounds like standard video game stuff.

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Punished_Blinx
09/21/23 8:53:04 AM
#64:


I remember all of that when someone says it launched without any issues on PC and it was just console owners that were screwed.

Hayame_Zero posted...
Literally nothing I read in that post bothers me. That just sounds like standard video game stuff

GTA3 did all of that better 20 years earlier. I actually don't think I've played a game with an open world city that had worse pedestrian AI than CP2077 did at launch. It was weird.

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hereforemnant
09/21/23 9:00:08 AM
#65:


The DLC should've been free though TC is right. It had a worse launch than goddamn Fallout 76 nearly, & now that they've managed to cobble everything back together, they charge for the fixes while the aforementioned No Man's Sky did 20+ free updates adding content & repairing the game.

No one considers them the golden gooses of the gaming industry now, Capcom is probably most likely to have that considering how well their IP is doing. Witcher 3 still runs like dog shit on consoles & has tons of bugs & crashes to this day, the rose tinted glasses with them are gone

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hyperpowder
09/21/23 9:07:05 AM
#66:


Cyberpunk is the best game Ive played this year and I already have Phantom Liberty downloaded

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codey
09/21/23 9:09:05 AM
#67:


I hated that the game crashed a lot at launch on my original model PS4 and returned it, but I got it for PC last week and it's great fun. I don't really give a shit if NPCs don't have schedules and don't thank me for completing quests, the gameplay is fun and that's what I care about. Why would I care about a linear story, either? Who cares if the game railroads me along as long as it's fun?

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specialkid8
09/21/23 9:10:23 AM
#68:


hereforemnant posted...
The DLC should've been free though TC is right. It had a worse launch than goddamn Fallout 76 nearly, & now that they've managed to cobble everything back together, they charge for the fixes while the aforementioned No Man's Sky did 20+ free updates adding content & repairing the game.

No one considers them the golden gooses of the gaming industry now, Capcom is probably most likely to have that considering how well their IP is doing. Witcher 3 still runs like dog shit on consoles & has tons of bugs & crashes to this day, the rose tinted glasses with them are gone
They've already fixed a ton of stuff and are not charging for fixes. The fuck are you even taking about?

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Avirosb
09/21/23 9:12:22 AM
#69:


specialkid8 posted...
They've already fixed a ton of stuff

Not bad for a game that released 3 years ago.


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Waxitron_Gazer
09/21/23 9:13:06 AM
#70:


jfc it's like cdpr raped the tc's family.

it's a fucking videogame who cares

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havean776
09/21/23 9:13:53 AM
#71:


It's okay for people to make mistakes if they work on improving them.

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havean776
09/21/23 9:14:40 AM
#72:


Punished_Blinx posted...
I remember all of that when someone says it launched without any issues on PC and it was just console owners that were screwed.

GTA3 did all of that better 20 years earlier. I actually don't think I've played a game with an open world city that had worse pedestrian AI than CP2077 did at launch. It was weird.
Crackdown.
Civilians would dive into your car.

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Avirosb
09/21/23 9:15:58 AM
#73:


It'd be better for project leaders to have realistic goals and time frames to avoid having over-labored devs crunch out the bare minimum.

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SHRlKE
09/21/23 9:22:01 AM
#74:


This seems like a "you" problem @ColonizedMind .

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Kaldrenthebold
09/21/23 9:29:40 AM
#75:


ColonizedMind posted...
It just shows gamers are fickle. Almost none of the falsely advertised features have been added to the game, but because the anime is good and its become a nvidia tech demo Im supposed to be impressed and give them $30
more?

It is a free update. Do you not read? You do not need to spend $30 to get the complete rework of the game and AI systems.

Lordy.

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Avirosb
09/21/23 9:33:24 AM
#76:


Kaldrenthebold posted...
It is a free update. Do you not read?

And people only had to wait 3 years after procuring the initial product.

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codey
09/21/23 9:41:38 AM
#77:


Avirosb posted...
And people only had to wait 3 years after procuring the initial product.

I bought the game last week

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loafy013
09/21/23 9:57:07 AM
#78:


Tried it in April of 2022 for a few hours, then got sucked back into Elden Ring. Came back to it in May of 2023, and got the Platinum by the end of June. This was on the PS4 version. Outside of things taking a bit to load if I raced around the city, I didn't pay any attention to whether the stuff TC is complaining about still exists or not.

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hereforemnant
09/21/23 9:59:13 AM
#79:


specialkid8 posted...
They've already fixed a ton of stuff and are not charging for fixes. The fuck are you even taking about?
Phantom Liberty is giving the majority of improvements to combat, skill trees, story paths, & gameplay improvements that all the promotional material & gameplay preview shit was going on about years ago. It's amazing how it took 3+ years for the first major content drop, after they cancelled multiplayer, & weren't aware of how poorly their game performed.

If gamers had more collective memory than a squirrel, you'd remember how often this happens with games & stop buying them up over & over again just because they fixed what was supposed to be promised on release.

And because I try to be honest, I bought the game in late 2021, & it mostly functioned but was still incredibly underwhelming & still buggy. But I paid 30$ which sounds fair for what I was getting, but this 30$ expansion to get a ton of what the original release promised is the wrong way to make it up to players you supposedly value the input of.

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Kaldrenthebold
09/21/23 10:00:10 AM
#80:


Avirosb posted...
And people only had to wait 3 years after procuring the initial product.

I got the game December of 2022. I played a completely realized and fully complete game. It was rough on launch but at least on PC, it was fine, completed, and competent. Stop letting the piss poor PS4/XBO cloud your memory.

People seem to forget the Witcher 3 also had a huge 30GB update to fix a boat load of stuff.

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GeminiGuy
09/21/23 10:05:06 AM
#81:


I don't understand the point of this topic. If you don't like the game, don't play it. That simple. It seems like you are just mad that other people are enjoying a game that you seem to hate

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SpiritSephiroth
09/21/23 10:09:49 AM
#82:


I agree with TC. Anyone trying to wave away all these issues are really doing the industry and gamers a disservice.

They promised the world and delivered in actual shit. Lied in trailers and interviews, to the point where they actually restricted people from playing certain parts of the game to fit a narrative right up to release.

And that's not even the half of it. We should give them as much shit as they did us with this game.

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SpiritSephiroth
09/21/23 10:10:28 AM
#83:


havean776 posted...
It's okay for people to make mistakes if they work on improving them.

But it's not okay to outright lie to people and mislead the public purposely.

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SpiritSephiroth
09/21/23 10:11:33 AM
#84:


I seriously dont get how people forgot all the shady shit CDPR did surrounding this game.

Like what the hell?

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hereforemnant
09/21/23 10:16:53 AM
#85:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
I seriously dont get how people forgot all the shady shit CDPR did surrounding this game.

Like what the hell?
Withholding review codes being one of the notable examples lmao

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Tyranthraxus
09/21/23 10:19:13 AM
#86:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
I seriously dont get how people forgot all the shady shit CDPR did surrounding this game.

Like what the hell?

You literally triple posted about this shit. You are taking things too seriously. It's just a video game and a pretty good one at that.

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GunmaN1905
09/21/23 10:19:58 AM
#87:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBrBu7BxaAg

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PraetorXyn
09/21/23 10:23:30 AM
#88:


It was great at launch on a proper PC. Cry harder.

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Kaldrenthebold
09/21/23 10:24:04 AM
#89:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
I seriously dont get how people forgot all the shady shit CDPR did surrounding this game.

Like what the hell?

No one has forgotten? Wow turns out the game is pretty great now, which is what people are saying. Sure they sucked, they got sued, and they had to offer mass refunds. What else do you want? To just abandon the game and leave it "broken and unfinished"? At least they can fucking fix it and make it what it should be. And I am benefitting. So why would I care?

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Jagr_68
09/21/23 10:24:53 AM
#90:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
I agree with TC. Anyone trying to wave away all these issues are really doing the industry and gamers a disservice.

They promised the world and delivered in actual shit. Lied in trailers and interviews, to the point where they actually restricted people from playing certain parts of the game to fit a narrative right up to release.

And that's not even the half of it. We should give them as much shit as they did us with this game.

Life's too fucking short to waste that much negative energy on a video game developer but be my guest if you want to.

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Kaldrenthebold
09/21/23 10:25:55 AM
#91:


GunmaN1905 posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBrBu7BxaAg

Any explanation for this?

DAMN I can't believe how broken and unfinished Starfield is! Even worse that CP2077, wild!!

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PraetorXyn
09/21/23 10:29:14 AM
#92:


GunmaN1905 posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBrBu7BxaAg

Any explanation for this?
This is hilarious.

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Avirosb
09/21/23 10:45:14 AM
#93:


PraetorXyn posted...
It was great at launch on a proper PC. Cry harder.
Oh things launched all right. Especially the cars.

Kaldrenthebold posted...
Stop letting the piss poor PS4/XBO cloud your memory.
Oh, I don't own this product. I'm already biased against cyberpunk as a setting.
Used to be they had insightful commentary but nowadays it's just steampunk with a dystopian coat of paint.

Now, Oblivion, that's a game I can enjoy and still get plenty pissed about y'know,
with the whole promising things they couldn't do during that E3 demo and making the graphics
and UI much worse for the sake of console gamers.

You know that "game experience may change during online play" disclaimer they used to put back on the box?
Open world games need a "game may work depending on rig" disclaimer.

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SpiritSephiroth
09/21/23 10:49:10 AM
#94:


Tyranthraxus posted...
You literally triple posted about this shit. You are taking things too seriously. It's just a video game and a pretty good one at that.

Yeah because I do take it seriously lol. Gaming takes up a lot of my time so I'm passionate about it.

PraetorXyn posted...
It was great at launch on a proper PC. Cry harder.

Are you talking about the bugs or the content that was promised and was literally missing?

Kaldrenthebold posted...
No one has forgotten? Wow turns out the game is pretty great now, which is what people are saying. Sure they sucked, they got sued, and they had to offer mass refunds. What else do you want? To just abandon the game and leave it "broken and unfinished"? At least they can fucking fix it and make it what it should be. And I am benefitting. So why would I care?

My problem was that everyone was waving the issues away. Just like with NMS they should be able to redeem themselves. But I don't think one DLC should negate everything they did. Again personal view.

Jagr_68 posted...
Life's too fucking short to waste that much negative energy on a video game developer but be my guest if you want to.

Calling out shitty practices helps the industry.

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ColonizedMind
09/21/23 10:53:04 AM
#95:


GunmaN1905 posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBrBu7BxaAg

Any explanation for this?


Western devs suck, absolutely WOAT games. Bethesda and CDPR are cut from the same cloth.
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DarthAragorn
09/21/23 10:54:47 AM
#96:


ColonizedMind posted...
Western devs suck, absolutely WOAT games. Bethesda and CDPR are cut from the same cloth.
oh you're gonna do this and suck off japanese games where NPC AI is practically nonexistent?

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ironman2009
09/21/23 10:55:59 AM
#97:


TCs favorite game is AFK Arena

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GunmaN1905
09/21/23 10:56:31 AM
#98:


ColonizedMind posted...
Western devs suck, absolutely WOAT games. Bethesda and CDPR are cut from the same cloth.

Yeah, totally from the same cloth.
CDPR realized their mistakes and apologized right away, trying to make up for it.
2.0 is released today and the game will finally be in the state it was promised.

Meanwhile that Bethesda scumbag mocks people for not having good enough hardware despite his 2023 game looking worse than 2020 CP2077 and being generic as fuck.
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Tyranthraxus
09/21/23 10:57:07 AM
#99:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
My problem was that everyone was waving the issues away. Just like with NMS they should be able to redeem themselves. But I don't think one DLC should negate everything they did. Again personal view.

Good thing they released 6 major updates before the DLC and then included all the new DLC features for free in the most recent update.

SpiritSephiroth posted...
Calling out shitty practices helps the industry.

Is that what you think you're doing? Here, you want to call out shitty practices, here's a list:
  1. Developers not getting paid
  2. Developers forced to work excessive hours
  3. Developers not getting bonuses unless a game reaches a certain rating on Metacritic
  4. Anti-Consumer DRM
  5. Preorder FOMO Blackmail
  6. PII Data Harvesting
  7. Racist / Sexist / Transphobic bullshit
List of things not on the list of shitty practices:
  1. Game is bad
  2. Early game demo is different from RC game

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Avirosb
09/21/23 11:03:13 AM
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AAA gaming is unethical.

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