Current Events > How to stop being a "low value man" ( how the Red pill exploits you)

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Edit: thanks @EthanSilver and @Gladius_
He is a certified psychiatrist. His name is Dr. K. He studies why the Red Pill is engaging a lot of men. Basically, Red Pill is like the old saying, "A broken clock is right twice a day." he wants you to stop watching Red Pill content and stop using dating apps.

Here is a summary of 80% of the video.

• He stated that whenever he does group therapy, there's some trauma competition.
• So if a man tries to look for validation in his trauma, another one of his clients would say, "That's nothing. You're a man, my problem is this and that."
• Constant rejection as a man where you formulate ideas in your head.
• Like the top 10% of men gets 90% of women.
• In truth it is 10 women to 100 mean on a dating app (exaggerated but more men than women on the platform.)
• And half of the woman uses the platform to not date but to fill am emotional need.
• The Red Pill gets things right such as you need to gain confidence and set boundaries. (Broken clock is right twice a day).
• They validate your emotions and that's the hook, the engagement.
• They constantly feed you that engagement, having you hook to their content.
• The more engagement, the more cognitive bias.
• They use videos of the women with the ridiculous requirements: the top 1%(6 feet tall, 6 inch dick, 6 figure salary.) But he explains in reality most women are met dating or looking for that guy.
• But they reinforce that believe that you need to be in the top 1%
• And that's a hard goal and you will likely fail, causing further shame
• A low value man =

1. A pile of shame
2. Invalidating from the environment
3. A cognitive bias reinforce through predatory content algorithms.

• They Red Pill will shame you more to the point you will give you money to fix the problem.
• They show sexy dudes to me you feel bad.
• You think you're a low value male.
• Red Pill have a negative world view which is toxic for men.
• His solution, stop watch Red Pill content and get the hell off of dating apps.
• That's it for now you can watch the rest.

https://youtu.be/or6A1Pl04ss?si=xthFtDz5HEsTHd91

Weird how a typo can totally change how a topic is read...

omniryu posted...

Basically, Red Pill is like the old saying, " a broken clock is right twice a day."

Problem occurs though if the alternatives are basically a clock ticking in reverse, teaching behavior that outright decreases your dating prospects.

EthanSilver posted...

Weird how a typo can totally change how a topic is read...

Lol, yeah. I was confused at first. I am like " No, I am not with the red pill or Jordan Peterson." Then I saw the title. I knew I fucked up smh.

Inohira posted...

Problem occurs though if the alternatives are basically a clock ticking in reverse, teaching behavior that outright decreases your dating prospects.

Not just that, It could get your teeth knocked out from what I hear some of these assholes say. There was this group called the purple pill podcast that was talking about a women's weight right in front of her face ( and she was nice looking) and they just shitted on her. I was pissed, then I realized that half of their content is punching down.

Inohira posted...

Problem occurs though if the alternatives are basically a clock ticking in reverse, teaching behavior that outright decreases your dating prospects.

Except the alternatives are not limited to that. What are you even on about?

It's not a binary choice we're talking about here... A or B! PICK!

No. Let's not pretend it's a "Red Pill or..." type of situation.

it's a shame how young socially inept men seeking self-improvement is immediately perceived with scorn. some legit just trying to seek help. not all of them want to get better at hating women and

An example, one could argue a male that works out and is in shape can garner attention to themselves in being attractive... yeah? So to speak.

But there is nuance to these things.

It's not limited to two options.

"Be in shape or your a fucking soi boi..."

"Talking about being in shape is "toxic masculinity...!"" (not that they would be using the term correctly, but just touching on narrowminded takes)

A lot of guys could better themselves, but what do we do with the ones that are legitimately terrible?

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

it's a shame how young socially men seeking self-improvement is immediately perceived with scorn. some legit just trying to seek help. not all of them want to get better at hating women and

Who did that here?

It's the propogandists and liars spreading "red pill" garbage that are fault here. Not peeps seeking self improvement.

Get it right.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

it's a shame how young socially men seeking self-improvement is immediately perceived with scorn. some legit just trying to seek help. not all of them want to get better at hating women and

They are going to the wrong source. As soon as your content goes beyond self-improvement and have a dirty look at the world you cross the line. Then, it becomes a cash cow business and 99% of them are not certified therapists so their ill-equipped to handle some of their 'clients' baggage.

Jiek_Fafn posted...

A lot of guys could better themselves, but what do we do with the ones that are legitimately terrible?

That's unhelpful rhetoric. For starters, drop it.

More around the lines, anybody can "better" themselves, so to speak.

If a young man wants to work out he is seen as a tool that only cares about getting sex or attention.
If a young man seeks therapy he is perceived as weak.
If a young man wants to work on himself before getting back into dating he is perceived as a misogynist.

Why can't a young man simply self-improve without the world thinking he is going to be a mass shooter or some sex driven fiend?

Jiek_Fafn posted...

A lot of guys could better themselves, but what do we do with the ones that are legitimately terrible?

Don't entertain them, leave them alone. Observe them but leave them alone. So they will have two choices:

1. Break down, self-reflect reflect, and realize they were the terrible ones.
2. Or do something stupid where the SWAT teams need to snipe them out.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

If a young man wants to work out he is seen as a tool that only cares about getting sex or attention.

For crying out loud... no, no he doesn't or doesn't have to be... it's the point of this topic. You're misinformed, hence, seeking better outlets for "self improvement" is the gist of it.

Ergo, things that would not touch on your "red pill" takes, lazy generalizations... and give you a more nuanced approach to the subject matter.

we all need to be more supportive even when someone turns astray

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

If a young man wants to work out he is seen as a tool that only cares about getting sex or attention.
If a young man seeks therapy he is perceived as weak.
If a young man wants to work on himself before getting back into dating he is perceived as a misogynist.

Why can't a young man simply self-improve without the world thinking he is going to be a mass shooter or some sex driven fiend?

It is about associating yourself with certain people. If that person wants to genuinely improve, no problem. The problem is who is filling his head.

• Work out to find yourself a wife - sure
• Your wife needs to quit her 70k salary to satisfy your need to control - that's fucking stupid.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

we all need to be more supportive even when someone turns astray

Sure, but what we don't need is exacerbating issues by phrasing it like it's either "Get in shape or your a fucking soi boi..." or "You only want to get in shape because your a fucking egotist..."

We can't control what others say, but you yourself can watch what you say.

Let's not body shame, but let's not discourage getting in shape like it's an "evil" thing either... Yeah?

EthanSilver posted...

Except the alternatives are not limited to that. What are you even on about?

It's not a binary choice we're talking about here... A or B! PICK!

No. Let's not pretend it's a "Red Pill or..." type of situation.

They aren't limited, but what I'm getting at is a lot of common dating advice given by peers or seen on the internet (including that given by some critics of the red pill) is way off the mark, and especially so towards the dudes most in need of help.

What the red pill gets about these guys is that they are likely too considerate and not remotely assertive enough. That they care too much about what others think and are not prioritizing their own interests enough in their social interactions. That society still largely expects some traditional masculinity out of men in dating environments. A lot of advice however basically tells guys the opposite.

omniryu posted...

Don't entertain them, leave them alone. Observe them but leave them alone. So they will have two choices:
1. Break down, self-reflect reflect, and realize they were the terrible ones.
2. Or do something stupid where the SWAT teams need to snipe them out.

This is more of what I was getting at. Like how do we prevent more Andrew Tates

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

If a young man wants to work on himself before getting back into dating he is perceived as a misogynist.

No, watching misogynistic redpill claptrap is what makes him a misogynist.

Jiek_Fafn posted...

This is more of what I was getting at. Like how do we prevent more Andrew Tates

Again, for starters, "you're a legit terrible person..." is a rhetoric you should stop.

Jiek_Fafn posted...

This is more of what I was getting at. Like how do we prevent more Andrew Tates

What's so hard about it, is that he has a easy marketing tactic.

1. Get bitches
2. You're the top dog
3. Treat her like shit because you van be top dog.

But the ones who really guide you to a healthy mindset, are not really making commercialization type of content.

EthanSilver posted...

Again, for starters, "you're a legit terrible person..." is a rhetoric you should stop.

I'm fine calling Andrew Tate a legit terrible person

Jiek_Fafn posted...

I'm fine calling Andrew Tate a legit terrible person

Hey, me too! Don't get me wrong here...

I'm more around the lines talking about when confronting peeps he might be brainwashing, yeah? Those you would want to bring back from those extremes.

Difference is, one might just be misinformed, and confused... the other maliciously knows what they are doing, or it's on purpose.

EthanSilver posted...

Again, for starters, "you're a legit terrible person..." is a rhetoric you should stop.

True, we should stop saying you're bad for wanting to improve yourself but how do you get them to go to the right content?

No one needs manosphere misogynists and pick-me grifters to tell you it's a good idea to be in shape and look after yourself.

And yet I still see people give them credit (sometimes begrudgingly) for this obvious piece of advice.

Here's another obvious statement: most women aren't interested in men who have been redpilled.

omniryu posted...

True, we should stop saying you're bad for wanting to improve yourself but how do you get them to go to the right content?

Yeah, that. Youre getting what I'm trying to say

I've always liked Dr. K. He's found a great niche for himself and what he does.

I also think TRP is actually more of a good than a bad thing, provided people engage with it critically. People tend to associate it with 'becoming alpha' or 'manipulating women' (the whole thing has become warped into something completely different from what it used to be), but you can ignore those parts and rather just use it as a way of furthering your understanding of human behaviour/mating dynamics.

Joelypoely posted...

I also think TRP is actually more of a good than a bad thing, provided people engage with it critically.

What is TRP, first I've heard of it... *googles*

edit: Didn't find anything >.<

Joelypoely posted...

mating dynamics

Lol

COVxy posted...

Lol

I mean yeah it sounds funny, but it could just be an awkwardly phrased way of saying intimate relationships, or some such...

Cut the poster some slack xP

I don't think manosphere redpill pseudoscience contributes to the understanding of anything.

I think people are too quick to ostracize others. A young man makes the mistake of seeking an unhealthy outfit , so what? We ban them from getting respect for life? we give them more reasons to turn into a monster? how about helping them seek healthier alternatives so they don't end up hurting themselves even more? maybe stop them from them from hurting others. people make mistakes when they are desperate. they shouldn't be hated forever. at the end it sounds like you guys are just as bad. because you have a sex life and friends you think you have to right to kill whoever.

these young men need guidance, not scorn. If they follow someone like Andrew Tate then reach out to them and provide better alternatives. don't just call them a doomed sexist and wish them dead. You're the supposed to be the better person. You can't be the good guy normal rolemodel while wishing death as much as an "incel" does. Two sides of the same face. I am thou, thou art I.

Thankfully the redpill has been dying the past half year or so. Really the only big redpill podcasts left are Fresh and Fit, and Whatever podcast. The former, just got demonetized bigtime and only can make money on Rumble now.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

We ban them from getting respect for life?

No, but the options are not limited to that.

Drop the red pill shit my dude. It's what is making you think that's the only other option... Don't corner yourself in false dichotomies... where the only options are A and B!

No, you can take a more nuanced approach. "Let's try to educate, but understand they're only human and a simple mistake should not condemn them for the rest of their life."

ai123 posted...

No one needs manosphere misogynists and pick-me grifters to tell you it's a good idea to be in shape and look after yourself.

And yet I still see people give them credit (sometimes begrudgingly) for this obvious piece of advice.

Here's another obvious statement: most women aren't interested in men who have been redpilled.

Well the thing is that the video explains how the red pill get these men. You can say that the red pill is stupid of course. But they doesn't solve the problem.

If you can have a group that validate men's emotion and don't dismiss them, then we can move forward.

pogo_rabid posted...

Thankfully the redpill has been dying the past half year or so. Really the only big redpill podcasts left are Fresh and Fit, and Whatever podcast. The former, just got demonetized bigtime and only can make money on Rumble now.

They are going downhill as well. But the thing is when one goes down, another comes up.

A teen shouldn't be punished for life just because they watched an Andrew Tate video and vibed with it. People make mistakes and can do better.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

A teen shouldn't be punished for life just because they watched an Andrew Tate video and vibed with it. People make mistakes and can do better.

Agreed.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

A teen shouldn't be punished for life just because they watched an Andrew Tate video and vibed with it. People make mistakes and can do better.

No, of course they shouldn't.

Who suggested otherwise?

ai123 posted...

No, of course they shouldn't.

Who suggested otherwise?

Red Pillers.

Or how they blow everything out of proportion and argue things out in bad faith, not actuality. I mean, sure, you might find exceptions, but exceptions they'll be... That red pillers will most likely put on blast to try and draw a dishonest picture of real life.

like... why are you guys against the death penalty and support rehabilitation but when it comes to young men's mental health it's either you want these guys dead or to be perfect individuals who just magically know how to better people. why do you support criminals a lot more than young man who is lost? yes actions have consequences, but people can be rehabilitated . mistakes don't justify a lifetime of abuse. who really are the monsters when we advocate a system like this to happen? we're all monsters if you think a young man should get a lifetime of punishment for being subscribed to Adrew Tate, Think Before You Sleep, Kevin Samuels, Balkan Gains

ai123 posted...

Here's another obvious statement: most women aren't interested in men who have been redpilled.

This is the type of odd advice I refer to.

Would women like the average guy if his dating profile outright said that he's "based and red pilled"? No, obviously not. But the same goes for if his profile said he was a cheater, or an abuser, or only wanted casual sex, or had no stable employment and was a drug dealer. But yet, many guys who do those things still manage to attract women, since there's no flashing sign on their forehead that they're like that when they're first meeting women. And there's compensating aspects of these men getting women to overlook those blatant flaws afterwards.

The target of the red pill advice is guys who are getting literally no dates/action at all. "Women don't like guys who do X" advice is not relevant to them when there are plenty of guys actually doing X who are still better off with women than the guy looking for advice is. Clearly women "don't like" whatever he's doing even more.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

like... why are you guys against the death penalty and support rehabilitation but when it comes to young men's mental health it's either you want these guys dead or to be perfect individuals who just magically know how to better people.

Oi, oi... you were so close to getting it... now you're back to lazy absolutes again.

Why Rabbit? You enjoy torturing me, is that it?

there is absolutely nothing wrong with being redpilled as long as you find peace and balance. don't be obnoxious about it and see beauty in everything!